In this week’s episode of our Useful Idiots’ podcast, hosts Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper talk to Dennis Kucinich, who ran for president in 2004 and 2008, about his insights into the current presidential campaign. Plus, the duo discuss all the other crazy things going on in American politics.

“He’s way nerdier than I thought,” Halper says after the interview.

Taibbi then discusses when he saw Kucinich reading while on the campaign trail. It wasn’t for a speech or anything related to running for president. “He’s just reading. In between events, he was just educating himself,” Taibbi explains. “He didn’t care what people thought of him. He’s just a super interesting guy; he’s ever intellectual courageous. … As a politician, he looked at running for president as an intellectually serious person would. If you were actually trying to solve all these problems, what would you actually come up with, not what would pass.”

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