Many of England’s once-countercultural rock acts are lending their
talents to an album that will benefit the late Lady Diana’s
favorite charities, but John Lydon’s attitude toward the royal
family hasn’t changed in the two decades since he first sang “God
Save the Queen.” “[Lady Diana] was a flaky, stupid, self-indulgent
cow,” he says, hastening to add that he wouldn’t wish death on
anyone. “It was rather marvelous that [the royal family] is so
rigid and stuck up their own asses that they responded completely
negatively to her death.” If it sounds like Lydon hasn’t changed at
all since his days as a Sex Pistol, it should be noted that he’s
making his comments from his room in New York’s posh Rhiga Royal
But before any talk of sell-out begins, it should also be
noted that the artist formerly known as Johnny Rotten spits at least twice during the course of our phone interview. It’s also worth mentioning that
while “I’ve certainly not mellowed in my years,” as Lydon jokingly
puts it, his new album, “Psycho’s Path,” represents a departure from his
work with both the Pistols and Public Image Limited. Although Lydon has
experimented with danceable rhythms since PiL’s second record, his
latest release finds him moving in an even more electronic
direction — and offering his songs to such remixers as LeftField, Moby and the Chemical Brothers. Lydon’s current problem — besides a hotel housekeeper hell-bent on cleaning the room he’s still in — is that fewer people are paying attention, at least partly, he says, because Virgin Records hasn’t put enough effort
into promoting his new album.
This is your first-ever solo album after over 20 years
in the music business. Why now?
Three years ago I had a deal with Atlantic, and it wasn’t a
huge amount of money. That turned my arm, really. I was using
rehearsal studios and demo studios and I just thought, ‘Well, this
is a huge waste of money.’ So I built my own studio. And as the
equipment started coming in — this was all going to be for PiL —
I started writing the songs and it went on from there. It wasn’t a
deliberate move. It just happened that way.
You wrote in the bio that comes with “Psycho’s Path”
that you’re a bad musician. Have you thought of getting any formal
training in the years since you were with the Pistols?
I think I was just being coy … I think most “musos” just
follow certain forms and categories that they learned by heart. And
they seem to lack inspiration because of that. Inspiration’s the
one thing I’m not lacking. Technique, yes. But I don’t want to get
too much into the technique, because I know that can bugger me
You started work on this album before last year’s Sex
Pistols reunion tour. Did your time with them end up affecting the
way this album came out?
What it did affect it was that I could finish it. I’d kind of
run out of money and the Pistols cash definitely helped me finish
it on time.
For the first time ever, the Pistols paid me on time. It’s
been endless court cases up to that tour.
Did you feel vindicated that the tour got a pretty
good response from fans? The Sex Pistols had a reputation as a
disappointing live act.
Which is absolute rubbish. All my life I’ve been accused of
things like that. And in a way it goes back to that bad musician
thing. You’re gonna be accused of it anyway, so just wallow in it.
[Spits] Even though it’s not the truth, it sometimes seems easier
to not deny things and just let them drift on. It’s unfortunate,
but that’s the way the world seems to run. People would rather
believe a lie than believe the truth.
Were the other band members also happy with how the
I suppose so. Haven’t spoken to them since … I haven’t made
any attempts [at communication], neither have they and that’s about
it. It’s kind of like the old days: They got their money and they
ran. We left off exactly where we left off the first time: in a
cloud of animosity.
Do you think you’ll ever perform together
No, I’ve put it all up for sale, all my percentages. So there
can be no chance of it ever happening. I’m not connected to it now
in any shape or form.
I suppose [the publishing] will be a nice earner over the
years to come. It’s a pension scheme.
Do you think punk is dead?
Look, it happened then. Why would you want to imitate
something that happened then. You’ve got to live in your own time
now. That’s why my music constantly changes, because I have to
relate directly to my surroundings. Otherwise you’re living in
other people’s shadows and … giving up your own personality, and
I find all that to be rather stupid.
As the guy who sang “God Save the Queen,” what do you
think of the reaction to Princess Di’s death?
You know my views on the royal family are quite clear, but I
think it’s sad that someone died like that. I thought their pompous
way of trying to ignore it was offensive — and, actually, exactly
the way I wanted them to behave, because they pissed off the entire
British nation. Maybe it’s about time they rolled over and
You mentioned you were arguing with your record
company. What were you arguing about?
Well, I need a new record company.
[There’s been a] lack of promotion … just a lack of
everything. Lack of communication, failure to respond to phone
calls, general all-around inefficiency. And after, you know,
practically helping to found this damn company, I don’t take kindly
to that … I think the Pistols definitely bolstered [Virgin].
Before that it was just another hippie outlet with ponderous acts
like Mike Oldfield. [laughs] Tubular smells.