Chad Channing joined Nirvana in 1988, not 1986.

Bleach isn’t a very good album. The best song on it, besides “About a Girl,” is actually a cover tune–”Love Buzz.”

The over-glorification of this band, particularly Cobain, amazes me. I won’t sit here and criticize Rollingstone, like alot of people do on here because I read their articles on a pretty regular basis and they’re not the only ones guilty of this.

All I’m saying is that remastering this album seems like a complete waste of time–not for Channing or Endino though. Funny, they’re the only two people no one gives a crap about in the very short history of Nirvana.

I can see Rollingstone looking for a comment from Noveselic.

“Really? That’s the worst thing we ever did. The funny thing about that album is that I was very surprised sub-pop didn’t drop us after that one.”

Remastering it won’t change the quality of the songs. So why bother?

The stuff of legends. And nice to see that some people from planet Nirvana are still willing and able to talk about it. We dont need a movie, just re-release each of the albums with outtakes and some rare bits. And the unpolished albini version of In Utereo too. Best U.S. rock band of their generation

Anything that is historically and culturally relevant is total shit, right? Give me a fucking break.

That band was revolutionary for what they did. They impacted a generation of people. Almost no musician can say that.

Totally disregaring a band you yourself don’t like: because they’re music is “too simple” for your taste is music snobbery at it’s finest.

I’m not a fan of Elvis Presley, but that doesn’t mean I dismiss him as overrated because he had hit songs, or died before his time. The guy introduced Rock & Roll to the mainstream. Sorta of how the “loser” Cobain introduced alternative rock to the mainstream.

Maybe Cobain and Presley weren’t the innovators, but they were the musicians who made what was going on memorable. They impacted more people than any of their contemporaries. There’s something to be said for that.

Very cool that sub pop is reissuing this… especially interested in hearing the live segment on vinyl.

Love the fact you’re talking to me like I’m some kind of musical snob who thinks all grunge music is useless. You don’t know me, so settle down there Tonto.

For the record, I appreciate Nirvana, Kurt Cobain, and what they did. However, this album didn’t really do much to get the “grunge” movement going. Furthermore, people didn’t care about it until Nevermind blew up.

This is album is border-line unlistenable at times. If you want to compare it to Elvis, The Beatles, The Stones, Zep, etc… as a springboard to greater things later in their career, so be it.

I think I can safely say that all of the above made very impressive debut albums or singles. It was enough to get them noticed–whether it be in the UK or US. This didn’t quite do the same for Nirvana.

“That band was revolutionary for what they did. They impacted a generation of people. Almost no musician can say that.”

Prince, Axl Rose, Bono, Madonna, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Michael Jackson all impacted a generation (or two)of people. Nirvana caught the wave of a generation of people who were already disaffected by the state of music. Overrated.

Shut up haters!

All the people you mentioned were part of the “state of music” that Cobain (temporarily) overthrew. Alternative music had existed for a while but Cobain proved that it could become widely successful. If they’re so overated, to what do you attribute the commercial success of hundreds of alternative and indie bands since the early 90s?

Prince, Axl Rose, Bono, Madonna, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Michael Jackson all impacted a generation (or two)of people. Nirvana caught the wave of a generation of people who were already disaffected by the state of music. Overrated.

I agree with you on all those artist being somewhat generational defining (excluding Axl Rose). Considering how much music has been put out in history, the fact there is only a few hundred (perhaps thousand if you’re being generous) who are associated with affecting a generation is remarkable. Cobain more than any other artist defined the 90s. Like it or not.

Axl Rose is shit by the way.

Nirvana spawned a handful of imitators. That doesnt define a generation. Cobain overthrew hair metal. Guns and Roses almost singlehandedly brought popular hard rock back from the abyss. Nirvana’s legacy is Bush and the Exies.

Bleach was not their “great” album but it did lead up to Nevermind and it did have many of the elements that made Nevermind so great. There are many who think that Nevermind was too slick (I am not one of those people)and they prefer Bleach.

I will pick this up though, esp for the live record

faldo = shit.

GNR were the biggest band in the land from 1988-1994 like it or not.

Mudhoney and The Melvins were the root.

Great album.

I remember the first time I heard it. Negative Creep blew me away because at that time, really, there was nothing that sounded like it.

That is why this album is so significant.

Love that time as I really started to look to different music that I still regularly listen too.

Everyone has their opinion, some prefer Nevermind, etc. But Bleach will always be my favorite Nirvana album, partly cuz of all the acid I used to drop when I first heard it in 1989-1990 period. So nice.
Maybe not the best acid album of all time, but seemed then to blend all the elements of the best shit (Butthole Surfers meets Beatles/Sabbath).
Don’t think people who came by it after the Nevermind-MTV era can ever hear what we all heard in it almost 20 years ago.

mudpunny? I’ll take it back to the g.river

Would have made a great EP. Five or six really good songs at best.

Would have made a great EP. Five or six really good songs at best.

Sorry didn’t mean to submit that twice.

Bleach is like the band recorded live in the studio without any trickery or editing – much like what they wanted Albini to do with In Utero. It’s raw and real and thats what impresses. For many people like myself who first heard Nirvana on MTV in Sept ‘91 we wanted to get our hands on all things Nirvana related and Bleach was an amazing document of the band in demo/ rehersal form. Blew had a detuned (not on purpose) and out of step bass and some of the songs could have been edited down. The album itself was probably too long, but thats its charm. You would never be allowed hear Nirvana like this on a album ever again – and thats why it was great.
Show Endino more respect. He has remained true to himself since Nirvana took off and has never claimed any ownership of the Nirvana story.

as if any of you people liked this album back in the day. dying was the best career move cobain ever made cause even his shit smells good to you people. shit:bleach

i agree, has music gotten so bad that we celebrate mediocrity like bleach? what’s next a re-issue of hole’s live through this? you people would still buy it and make love to it.

bitches, no one would care if u blew ur head off

well, whatever, nevermind….

some of you try to sound too intellectual when discussing Nirvana, others don’t have the slightest idea what Nirvana really represents so they rip them apart. I love the band, I love Cobain, I’m sad he killed himself. Appreciate his music, his unmatched talent, no artist will come close to his genius(not for a long time)…..Bleach is a very decent album, better than what they feed us today as so called ” rock music” because even raw, uncompromised poetry its more beautiful than ellegantly recorded, undaring and mechanical music.

At least Nirvana was influential enough to spawn imitators. Can anyone name any GNR-wannabe bands that were spawned by GNR themselves? Not to mention that their popularity kinda dipped when Nirvana came bursting on the scene, along with their grunge followers.

I would pick Bleach over any Elvis, Micheal Jackson, Madonna, Guns N’ Roses, U2, Bob Dylan or Prince Hit record any day. You know why, cause it actually has good songs. Nirvana is not over-rated. Smells like Teen Spirit Is. That’s the misconception everybody has. Corporate Magazines Still Suck.

All of Nirvana’s albums are the same. His washing-machine sounding guitars with his cry baby hypocritical voice singing…the guy pretended to not want to be famous but then posed for Rolling Stone covers and made MTV music videos, etc. Pearl Jam made one video and quit for years. Cobain was jealous of Axl because Axl truly didn’t give a shit about anything. He did what he wanted. Cobain knew his same sounding style would get old quickly so he shot himself.

Every GNR album is different. From Appetite to Lies to the Illusions to Spaghetti Incident to even today’s Chinese Democracy. Every album is different.

Bleach, Nevermind, In Utero, etc…everything sounds the same

How did Nirvana get credit for “introducing” alternative rock to everyone anyway? They’re the worst band to come out in the grunge era! Pearl Jam is amazing…as we see now with their longevity as well as their amazing songs. Alice in Chains were great, Soundgarden great, Mother Love Bone was amazing, etc

Personally, I think Pearl Jam would have gotten more props if Cobain had stayed alive. But since Cobain killed himself, he undeservingly put himself into immortal status. That I can’t take away from him…he became everything he pretended to hate in the end. Overly “popular”.

Whatever you think of the band, Bleach, and Nevermind, and In Utero most certainly do not “all sound the same.”

Dalton your are a complete dolt! Just the thought of comparing GNR to Nirvana is moronic. That is coming from someone who loved the first couple of GNR records. The first time I heard Nevermind was two months before it was released and my first though was ‘this will be huge or I am going to just kill myself’. This was also the same thought I had when I first heard the first GNR record. However, it’s like comparing apples to oranges. They are two completely different styles of music. You might as well have said that the first Slayer record was better than Bleach. And as for making different records each time do you bitch about the same thing when it comes to Led Zep, The who, Pink Floyd, ACDC, Bob Dylan, and every other band that has their own sound? And by the way, look at the GNR records and compair them to each other. The first one was the best and they went down hill from their. Open your mind a little….

Well, Dalton, I will tell you how Nirvana got “credit” for introducing alternative music. Do you remember “Smells Like Teen Spirit”? That’s the first thing people remember. “Ten” came out a month before Nevermind and couldn’t produce a hit until Smells Like Teen Spirit knocked the door down.
Yeahn and Cobain said he didn’t want to be famous, but Eddie was right there with him, or are you forgetting that? I like Pearl Jam too but to pretend Vedder wasn’t whining about fame for a good chunk of the early days is delusional, or maybe you are too young to remember it.

Keep ‘em comin’! Bleach is being reissued because it’s a pre-fame document of a band loved by many people. I can think of worse reasons to reissue something. Unlike Dylan or Jacko or The Beatles or Zep, Bleach is untouched by fame. No major label. No prehistory. No expectations. Just three dudes making noise in a cheap studio. I’m not romanticizing it, but you have to admit it’s a different approach than the 8 bazillion other reissues out there (of which, one of Appetite I’d like to hear). Everyone wins: Nirvana fans, and people who think they have better taste than everyone else.

BLEACH is fun. Cobain was a genius, no doubt.

You know what LP I hate from those days? Pearl Jam’s VS. Awful.

Mother Love Bone, Pearl Jam’s TEN, Soundgarden… Alice in Chains (why they never get any love I don’t understand). It was a great time for great records.

I just want to say to all the GnR vs Nirvana comments stop it. Two very differnt bands which have ther own sound. Dont compare axl rose to Kurt Cobain either and dont speak for kurt cobain as none of us will know truly what he went through.
who knows what he may have lived on to do, so dont cuss a genies.
Ps alx rose in an anagram of oral sex just rember the legends from the posers =).

Ahhh the 90’s. I remember those days. I also remember you could be a Pearl Jam fan and it was ok to like Nirvana. However, it wasn’t ok to be a Nirvana fan and like Pearl Jam. I say they are both great bands with great music. I should be so lucky to have had that music, and all the artists that got recognized because of it, with me when I grew up. By the way, “Bleach” is a great album and deserves to be treated with the same respect as other albums.

Oyy, the griefers and trolls bitching about what’s better… *rolls his eyes*

“Bleach” isn’t a perfect debut album by any means and it has it’s share of clunkers here and there, but that’s why it still works after all these years – the unadorned bargain basement production; the amaturish scribblings about high school, family problems, getting high and other teenage malaise; the embryonic art-school meets low-rent-dive post-punk garage rock dirge – it’s all there. It was (and still is) a precursor of what was to come in the overall evolution of Seattle’s underground music scene and it’s importance as the band’s only full-length pre-Nevermind document can’t be overlooked.

As for people moaning that the only legacy the band left behind were others like Bush and their ilk – not true! Those bands found their success after a lot of the bands in Seattle decided to scale back and reduce their visibility in the public eye in the wake of all the media attention and corporate commodification that was being thrust in their direction… still didn’t save the scene from imploding upon itself though.

Some of you really need to watch “Hype!” or the VH1 News Special on Grunge and get your facts straight.

Well, Nirvana is an amazing band – end of story. But here’s OUR generation’s next NEW rock (GRUNGE?) band who currently only has basement recorded home demos right now, but are recording their first album with Steve Albini in November of 2009. Check them out if you want… http://www.myspace.com/senium1

“Really” you are out of it, man (or woman?)…

First, to cast aside Jack Endino as a worthless bit-player in the Nirvana story is laughably ignorant. He’s one of the more important figures in the Seattle grunge scene, having worked with Green River, Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Screaming Trees, TAD, and more, plus there’s the Mark Lanegan solo records, Treepeople (Doug Martsch’s first band), Afghan Whigs, L7, The Supersuckers, Nebula, etc. What the HELL have you done, Really?

Secondly, to discount Bleach as an ignored album before Nevermind is ALSO ignorant… Bleach wasn’t a top 10 Billboard hit, but it certainly mader a noise in the underground, got Nirvana’s name known and btw attracted the major labels. What did YOUR debut album accomplish?

Now, I have to give you points, Chad Channing is irrelevant, and at times Bleach is unlistenable. But, um, have you heard most indie rock today? Still largely unlistenable, so no sin there…

I’m glad Bleach is beng re-issued. I don’t care what the debate is. I am a Nirvana fan. Nirvana is my favorite band of all time. In a time growing up in the late 80’s all I listened to was Michael Jackson. That was the face of music for me. Then in 1991 I saw the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit and totally changed my life. Yes, is Teen Spirit overrated but it is the point that this band changed the face of music for me. They were the foundation on how I listened to music. They opened my mind up to more bands more genres of music. Without Nirvana, without Bleach I would have not been the man I have become, simple as that.

Jason Everman was a real star…