I need a new Kiss/Scab Kiss album like I need a prostate exam.

I’m more interested in what Ace Frehley has up his sleeve for a record.
His shows from a couple of years ago were really incredible.
Get him a good producer and a decent label backing him in the promo pool and he will do something excellent. I’m sure of it.

Jeff, are you over 40? If so, you *do* need your annual prostate exam!

That said, I know exactly what you’re talking about with regards to a new KISS album.

Simmons said he wants a “meat and potatoes thing”. I suggest everyone who goes see them in concert throw some bloody 24 oz steaks and raw Idaho potatoes at Simmons for having everyone endure a make believe Kiss reunion. KISS my ass!

I say they go back to the Asylum look and the soft rock of Crazy Nights….oh really who cares and what is Gene so busy doing anyway? For a guy that is “soooo busy” I don’t know what the hell he’s selling or who the hell is buying it. It must be comic book convention crap because besides Kiss belt buckles I haven’t seen anything besides his crappy realitiy show and him on the Apprentice. Please Kiss, I beg you. Just go away. Please. Haven’t we all suffered enough.

no ace, no go IMO.

i will be optimistic though, i still feel excited like im looking at a really hot chick getting naked in the room with me

Guitar Davey, I’m 25, I’ll change it to I need a new Kiss/Scab Kiss album like I need an infected scrotum. Better?

I would totally buy this album if the title was “Meat and Potatoes.”

If KISS had perished in a plane crash in 1977, they would today be looked at as one of the greatest bands ever, and would be in the Hall of Fame.
But they didn’t, they are still here.
Nothing but crap from Double Platinum (1978 hits set that put a disco remake on it) onwards.
Sad….

Whatever. If it sucks, they’re following suit with recent attempts. If it’s good, they get people stirred up one more time.
Do agree that Ace could probably make it sound even better. Too bad…

Jeff, that’s *exactly* how I feel about the prospect of a new KISS album!

Awww relax people…it’s only Rock-n-Roll….and wether you like it or not KISS can do it well. Oh yeah the “scab” thing – Eric and Tommy are in KISS so please get over it. Peter and Ace had thier chance. have you heard Peter’s last album?? The jury is still out on Ace…and I’m a fan of the those two as well..

I’m happy with the direction they’re taking and the whole attitude behind the project. The only problem is that Paul’s recent solo album was supposed to be “meat and potatoes” also. . .and it sounded like Bon Jovi! Here’s hoping they use “Rock N’ Roll Over” as a model.

I totally agree with whoever said if Kiss died in a plane crash years ago they would be respected today. I never understood why the Ramones got more acclaim from critics. Both bands were equally likeable and lame in my opinion.

I’m willing to give the new album a chance. I’m not going to be a presumptuous know-it-all and damn it before I hear it. What’s the point in that ?

KISS has made a name for themselves in Rock history, period.
I’m sure the ones who slam, doubt, & dislike them are happy with their own lives…or maybe not, hence the reasons for the dismay over KISS?? Well, the new KISS cd ought to sell well & please do keep that in mind while you ask your next customer, “Would you like fries with that?” HAAAA!!!!!!!

THIS IS NOY REALLY KISS

Nothing but trash from these old men for the last 20 years at least. Another old man band puking their greatest hits collection all over the stage. These old man bands need to go into retirement and stay there(!), but since they won’t ($$$!!!), we need to just ignore them.

WOO HOO!

Exactly! Just go away! This is the final word on this band.

Too bad the meat is actually Tofu and the potatoes will be tomatoes. 2 imposters wearing Ace & Peter’s faces. That was the final straw that Gene placed in the coffin of a once ground-breaking band.
Love how Gene pretends to be keeping it real by not singing about politics or the meaning of life. What a phoney business man.

When are they going to give this crap up?? It wasn’t too long ago, Gene was saying he was looking for some other people to play as KISS. What the hell gives? Just more of Simmon’s ego bullshit. Paul should know better, but I guess he just can’t let it go either. No Ace Frehley means no Kiss, why the hell are they dressing other people as Ace and Peter anyway? Because they own the rights to the costumes and because they can, plain and simple. It’s a sham and a mockery and they are looking like a joke!!

I love Kiss. However, no Ace, no Kiss!

It hasn’t been mentioned yet, but this totally smells like there’s a retail exclusive release, aka “Wal-Mart,” that’s already been arranged. There’s no way a business-savvy dude like Simmons would be doing this otherwise.

they are not dressed up as ace and peter. they are dressed as the catman and spaceman. duh.

Who cares…Its NOT a “greatest KISS Kollection” … Their concerts, at their advanced age, are still better than 98% of the other crap out there. Suck it up haters. They are the cockroaches of Rock!!!!!!

No Ace & Peter?, then this band is just Gene & Paul and 2 guys in makeup.

As soon as Ace’s ‘78 solo album outdid Gene & Paul’s, they realized they couldn’t keep him in the band so they made him miserable and gave him no choice but to quit. Gene is a typical corporate type who sees a threat or competition, which was Ace and he makes his life miserable. Happens everyday in corporate world.

There are worse bands than Kiss. Remember Creed? But Gene Simmons is the rectum of rock.

You know what this will be album of the year…KISS is one of the greatest Rock and Roll bands of all time and still are…If you dont like them FUCK OFF!!! and go listen to crap like U2 or Fall Out Boy…It makes me sick when people talk shit about Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer they are both excellent musicians and just because they wear ACE and Peter’s make up Who really gives a flying fuck…Its grease paint and that has nothing to do with KISS coming back with an awesome in your face Rockin album…The KISS Army is alive and well.

It really, truly is too bad that Ace wasn’t a part of this…but the diehard KISS fan in me is holding out hope that lightning strikes, in the form of a kick-ass rock album that catches many rock snobs completely off-guard.

And from what I’ve heard we’re to expect an all-new Ace solo album this year anyhow.

As a major KISS fan I do however feel that if they pull-off a killer album, and decent tour it would be without a doubt time to finally put the beast to sleep…

I think Kiss album will rock as soon as ace joins in. come on gene Michael jackson can coproduce

“Meat and Potatoes”? Don’t they mean “Ham and Cheese”?

What a joke. And about the Ace comments: he was a drunk and a lowlife. He still is. He promisses a new album for decades. Don’t believe an addict.

Look, the reason that Kiss is in business in the first place is to make money; as much money as possible. Another “fake” Kiss album will be just exactly that, another fake Kiss album; and it won’t sell worth a shit. If Kiss wants to get down to “meat and potatoes” it’s got to be the four original guys. Begin with a business meeting at a Madison Avenue office with each member and their lawyers present: Everybody must wear a suit and carry a brief case. That’s important. Sign the contracts. Then, head into the studio, making sure there is plenty of coke for Ace and Peter. Next, systematically, and methodically, crank out the most insincere, banal, and above all kick-ass, ten songs as possible. Spend most of the time and money promoting it. Then tour with it. Kiss fans deserve nothing less. Simmons, always keep in mind that you’re doing it for the money.

They suck. Ace number 1 paul gene or losers

You know what…people have kissed Gene and Paul off so many times. But I think all of you are just envious of the success of these warriors. Peter and Ace were good, but they are just as successful on their own. Why don’t you all go buy their records, and leave Simmons and Stanley alone. Also, no other rock band has survived longer than Kiss!

it’s about time!! why shouldnt they make a new album? all of the other crap out there needs to go~KISS rocks and that pisses people off~

Jealousy is a bitch!

I would love to hear another *DESTROYER type album, thatz the album that blew my mind….Rock steady….Ace from Brklyn.

To all the haters of the world…KISS THE ARMY’S ASS!!! I can only assume you’re all sitting in your darkened little rooms, listening to the likes of Pink Floyd or Nirvana and contemplating suicide…you depressed little people. KISS will always be, so get used to it. And, by the way, if you “hate” them SO much, why read and respond to an article about them? Long live the Gods of Thunder.

Letz hear a classic 70′z Destroyer type album from KISS .That was Kiss the whole Kiss & nothing but kiss!!

hey jeff….don’t buy it then!! I am personally excited that KISS is going to put out a new album….as for anyone thinking that KISS is now a glorified tribute…thats bull&hit!!! if thats the case…then so is Metallica without Jason Newstead…so is AC/DC without Bon Scott…so was Van Halen without David Lee Roth…shall i continue???? for the haters…keep your opinions to yourself or discuss with other haters

kiss rules and if you dont like them you probably like the loser u2 music hahaha

i like meat and potatoes but i dont like KISS-they suck

Kiss? they ain’t kiss without ace and peter,they’er more like Piss now.

Gene may not like it… but Ace gave them the musical credibility to offset the cartoonish, but entertaining look and show.

Also … when is the last time Gene actually played bass on a Kiss album…

He has a very distinctive style that has for the most part been sporadic or absent on most recordings after Kiss Alive II…

Kiss were great in the early years cuz it was a band of four guys all fighting for a piece.

The Gene/ Paul and 2 painted monkeys version has never cut it for anyone who understands how truly great Kiss once was.

kiss is not kiss anymore.
they’re a tribute band with two losers in founding members and creators ace frehley and peter criss.
no matter how much you look like like ace you can’t reproduce a spirit and soul nor musical foundation.
ace wrote those riffs..thayer you lust clone them loser.
as for this album well it will probably co-written by that other turn desmond child and played by gene and paul along with session players.
all kiss does is lie to their fans andscrew real rockers like ace who has kept it real meanwhile gene is dishing out his kiss coffins and other sell out merchandise.
gene and paul you are a bunch of greedy jerks who stopped caring about rock n’ roll and would sell your soul to the devil if you thought you could make a profit.
no wait…you already did that …LOSER!
ROCK ON ACE AND STAY COOL PETER.
KEEP IT REAL.

KISS is the Hottest Band in the World. Love ‘em or Leave ‘em You do have to admit KISS has always been great with what ever current line-up.Love to hear a release from this version of the band. But to me KISS will always be Ace Frehley & Peter Criss with Gene&Paul.

This is not KISS so long as Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer wear Ace’s and Peter’s makeup! If they had their own persona or if the band left the makeup off and put out a record that would be different. That I would be interested in. Otherwise it’s a tribute band. They need to go the route they did with Lick It Up to regain some credibility. But you know that won’t happen because Simmons isn’t interested in music in any way. He is not interested in creating something vital and meaningful. He is not interested in KISS fans, only their wallets. I will get this record when it comes out, but I will NOT pay for it! Fuck You Gene!

floyd we’re in agreement on most of what you’ve said but i wish thayer would get his own identity and stop aping my boy ace.
he’s gotta feel sad doing that deep down.
and gene and paul have been jerks to their fans lying and being more concerned with selling kiss merchandise than producing classic rock n’ roll.
this is why their music has suffered because they used to care about rock n’ roll.
i think it’s shameful how much they’ve sold out and this circus act they have going will further help to destroy what ever credibility they could have now as pioneers of theater rock.
kiss is no longer kiss but a group of bullshit and lies led by two pathetic souls who sold their soul to the mighty dollar which they have enough as it is and layed rock n’ roll in the dirt.
shame on these two puke bags!
if rock was a god he would kick them so hard in the balls gene’s tongue would fall out and paul stanley’s wig would go flying off.
what a bunch of assholes!
ROCK ON ACE AND PTER AND KEEP IT REAL!
THAYER CAN KISS MY ASS!

Fuck the lot of you! KISS ROCK! no question about it. yeah they’ve made mistakes like everyone does in thier jobs. GROW UP AND GET OVER IT! i was named after a KISS song (Becky-Bethanny) and i’m damn proud to say i’m in the KISS ARMY!
as for past members and stuff – times change, move on already.

Guys, Fuck off about the comments towards Tommy and Eric. If KISS didn’t have them, where would they be now? THINK ABOUT THAT YOU FUCKING SHIT HEADS. YOU’RE NOT TRUE KISS FANS IF YOU CAN’T GET OVER THE FACT THAT PETER AND ACE AREN’T IN THE BAND. Seriously you’re acting like fucking pussy babies. so what if they’re not there, it’s still KISS: meaning the same songs, same make-up, same fans (except all you fucking whiners)THIS WILL BE THE ALBUM OF THE YEAR, AND WILL DEFF GET MANY MANY AWARDS AND BE THE BEST SELLING ALBUM EVER! don’t like it, then don’t respond. You people make me sick. this is the only true type of rock, and it will always be that way. annddd, Ace and Peter don’t own the rights to the costumes and make-up, so therefore, they can do whatever they want with it. Oh and Eric Carr replaced Criss until he passed didn’t he? So why do you fuckin complain about Eric Singer? Dumb Shits

this new album will be a joke because it ain’t kiss..it’s a bunch of lowlife sellout who sold their soul to the almighty dollar and pissed all over the name of rock n’roll.
how sad for a band that once wrote great tunes like strutter.
god bless you ace and peter for not selling out and keeping it real.

KISS is nothing but a marketing tool. The band has no musical integrity whatsoever. They started the band to sell dolls, toys, baseball cards, condoms. It’s just a way to feed Gene’s ego. C’mon..Costumed clowns in their 60’s trying to make music is just sad. Oh well, anything Gene can make some moulah off of…

If this album has the sound of the early days like “nothing to lose”, “c’mon and love me”, “firehouse”, “rock and roll all night”, “got to choose” then that might be all they need to get into the rock hall of fame

Okay Criss here’s the deal: Simmons 30%, Stanley 30%, Frehley 20%, Criss 20%. One album. One tour. Do you need an explanation?
Gene and Paul have worked their butts off to keep “Kiss Alive” these past 13 years. You’ve sat on your butt doing drugs and haven’t produced a damn thing. Face it, you need the money. Record royalities are flat. MP3. You haven’t played anywhere. Your investments have dwindled with the economy. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll take the 20%. So will Ace. The video rights to the contract signing alone will be worth a small fortune. Each member showing up separately in their own limosine with their lawyer by their side. Everyone enters a large board room where the terms of the contract are read. There are numerous flashes during the signing. Face it, you’ve only been asking publicly for 25% to put yourself in the strongest possible negotiating position, on the advise of your lawyer. You throw your fair share of spit-balls too Peter.

Without Peter and Ace it’s not Kiss. Any questions?

Look, if you don’t like it don’t buy it. Ace and Peter shot themselves in the foot, like any hard working person in this world the two that wanted to keep their jobs and do what they love, are doing just that. KISS is GENE AND PAUL. Ace and Peter never showed up to recordings starting with Destroyer!! So gets the facts straight. If you want “Original” KISS then it would “technically” be Gene, Paul, Bob Kulick and Anton Fig, so you posers that don’t have their facts and complain about Peter, please read some of the books on this band. They were a cancer to what Gene and Paul wanted to accomplish!

Rock On KISS, I will be on board!

Hey Heathen2002…Nothing but a marketing tool? Explain 85 million albums sold worldwide then jackass! Obviously KISS is musical value as well as talent.

I hate those so called KISS fans that hate Tommy and Eric, Leave them alone man! I am happy that KISS is keeping the rock and roll genre alive, come on people right now not only are we in an economic depression but musiclly we are in the slums too, stupid punk bands retarded emo bands and all that bull, Jonas Brothers come on the Jonas Brothers can’t even think anything KISS because KISS is too much for the Jonas Brothers, pop, hip hop and all the popular music now days just pisses me off the the fullest KISS should do this new album I am a real KISS fan i love all the line ups Stanley, Criss, Frehley, Simmons, Carr, Vincent, St. John, Kuilick, Singer and Thayer I don’t care if Thayer and Eric wear the Catman and Spaceman make up, hell I was the Starchild for halloween! and I’m pretty sure that you people giving Singer and Thayer a hard time have themselves too put the make up of a member once? so if your calling them fake and saying that they need they’re own make up and all that stuff that they need to respect Ace and Peter why don’t we all do that think about thats jerks I am a real fan I want everything KISS WE NEED KISS! come on KISS army i need support!

With Gene refocused on KISS, the band released a great comeback album, Revenge, in the early 90’s. With Gene refocused (again) on KISS, an album of ten or so Domino’s and Unholy’s isn’t a bad bargain for $10.99. But a half-assed effort like Psycho Circus won’t cut it in this day – as many bands from the same era are, in fact, putting out great stuff.

Also, regardless of our collective-affection for Ace and Peter (to whom Rivers Cuomo pays homage in In My Garage from their Blue album), those two historically haven’t been able to keep their personal acts together, which is why, in the grand scheme of things, they are not in the band.

Gene probably won’t play on it. He may sing a couple token songs, but he won’t play on it. They’ll probably have other people write the songs and change a word or two and take co-writing credit. The album won’t sell. When’s the last time they had a number one album? Or have one sell over a million copies? AC/DC they are not. Hell, I don’t even think they’re Poison.

I’m all for a new album, but two things concern me. First, this whole “70’s classic vibe” thing is exactly what they said before they gave us Psycho Circus, which is undoubtedly one of their weakest efforts. Second, I know they’ve demoed a song called “Rotten to the Core” before – I want to say as part of the Psycho Circus sessions – which makes me worry that they’re just recycling songs previously left on the cutting room floor. In the past ten years, they’ve used every conceivable excuse to tour – the only thing left is to hype a new album. Gene obviously isn’t taking it seriously, and Tommy and Eric are just hired help, so basically this will amount to a Paul solo album – hopefully he’s writing some new stuff and not regurgitating crap from the infamous “vaults” just to try and mimic the resurgences of AC/DC and Metallica…

Stop making fools of yourselves…i love the real Kiss…this is not…no reason to repeat the 80’s makeupless sell out. please stop!!!

U2 = original members, Kiss = half the original line up. STOP! it was great you reformed 12 yrs ago, now retire.

Once again, this obviously already has been prenegotiated as a “Wal-Mart”-type exclusive retail arrangement. There’s absolutely no way Gene would do it unless he was going to rake in Eagles/AC-DC dollars. And on another note, Eric Singer is undoubtedly one of the premier hard-rock drummers in the land. If you’ve ever seen him perform live, you’d know Peter Criss can’t touch him, not even close.

Kiss stopped being Kiss in 1979, when they went pop with Dynasty. They’ve been backpedaling and trying to be “Kiss” ever since. That’s also when they thought Kiss fans would buy whatever they put out on the market. It’s also when they stopped being a real band and became the Gene and Paul show. Coincidence? I think not.

This HAS to be a ploy to get into the Rock & Roll Hall of fame. Let’s make a “classic sounding” record and try to get the classic rock stations to play one song (since any new music station would not touch them). I have not even considered buying a KISS record since 1982, but I did go to see the reunion twice and picked up a “best of” off Amazon for $3.99 (I won the original first 4 records on vinyl and CD). Thing is even at their best, the records were 50% filler (thanks to the pressure of having to release a record ever 6 months and tour). But,they are a very good singles band, and that’s not a slam. If they can get three or four great singles on this new record and it sounds like a 1970’s record, then this could be their “comeback”….and maybe a chance at the RRHOF

Kiss is Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley, Ace Frehley, and Peter Criss. Anything else is a cheap imitation. Psycho-Circus is the last “real” Kiss album, and it’s GREAT! That was only ten years ago. Peter and Ace just needed a little break, they’re rested and ready to go! There’s no doubt they have one more album and tour left in them, and the fans want that one last chance to see the “real” Kiss! Look Gene and Paul are powerhouses and practically nobody can keep up with them, at least not year after year. Vinnie Vincent lasted 10 seconds. Look what it did to Eric Carr! Kulick bit the dust as well. Starting to see a pattern here! Ace Frehley is one of the greatest guitar players in the world. He was a child prodigy and Kiss looked at 50 guitar players before they chose him, not because he had one red sneaker and one orange sneaker as the story goes, but because they were amazed at how well he could play. Peter Criss is the great comedian of Kiss. He kept it all from getting too serious. Despite all the horrendous criticism he has received, Peter is a magic player like no other. C’mon guys work it out, it’s time for one more ROCK AND ROLL PARTY TONIGHT!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
********************** ************
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Just because you need to replace the tires doesn’t mean you crush the car.

While I respect Ace and Peter and wish the best for them, they have had several chances and have blown every single one. Kiss deserves to go forward without them.

90% of Kiss fans appear to be nitwits from Jersey or Lawn Guyland.

There’s only a few choices for the band to go: 1. Get Ace and Peter back in the band and do a REAL Kiss album, or hang it up. Nuff said.

THAT MADE ME HUNGRYYY

Nice to see where Gene’s priorties lie compared to Paul’s. Gene’s off in looking to become a Svengali/new Lou Pearlman for three Canadian bands, while Paul’s working on the new KISS album. You’d think Gene could take some time off from pretending to be a record executive to work on the “first new KISS album in over a decade.” N

Nice to see where Gene’s priorties lie compared to Paul’s. Gene’s off in looking to become a Svengali/new Lou Pearlman for three Canadian bands, while Paul’s working on the new KISS album. You’d think Gene could take some time off from pretending to be a record executive to work on the “first new KISS album in over a decade.” N

Nice to see where Gene’s priorties lie compared to Paul’s. Gene’s off in looking to become a Svengali/new Lou Pearlman for three Canadian bands, while Paul’s working on the new KISS album. You’d think Gene could take some time off from pretending to be a record executive to work on the “first new KISS album in over a decade.” N

If Ace and Peter don’t play on the
new album, they need to put every copy into a Kiss coffin, fill it up with urine, and bury it as deep as possible. The fans are sick of this phony shit.

Thank you, D Bear, for the most intelligent posting on this board yet.

At first I hated the idea of Peter and Ace being replaced. But the more I’ve seen from Tommy and Eric gives me hope. I think they may finally have the two guys in the band they always should have had.

All these members have played on KISS albums over the years…no wonder they only play 20 or so songs live. KEEP IT REAL!! Gene bass, Paul guitar, Peter drums and Ace lead….

Ace, Gene, Paul, Peter, Eric Carr, Vinnie Vincent, Mark St John, Eric Singer, Bruce Kulic, Thommy Thayer, Bob Kulic, Anton Fig, Dick Wagner, Bob Ezrin, Rick Derringer, Tom Harper, Allan Schwartzberg, Tony Powers, Steve Ferris, Adam Mitchell, Jimmy Haslip, Robben Ford, Jean Beauvoir, Kevin Valentine..and many more I am sure…check out the song

Shandi – Anton Fig drums, Tom Harper on bass, Holly Knight on keyboards, Paul Stanley on lead guitar, what about Ace, Gene, and Peter they were in the video clip????

Sorry Bob/Bruce I misspelt your last name…Bob & Bruce Kulick

KISS is KISS, with or without Peter, Ace, or anyone else who has come and gone.

Was Dynasty KISS ? Yes and Peter was only on 1 track. Howabout Revenge ? YES !!! It kicked ass and 3 outta 4 of those guys will be on this album.

They’ve said this will be a band collab. and is only gonna be songs from Stanley Simmons Thayer Singer with no outside wrtiers there may be some additioal key’s but then that would be it. It is as honest as a collaboration any fan could hope for in 2009 and it is honestly about time we had Thayer officially credited as a member of KISS on a studio album, Heaven knows he’s been on them before…

I for one cannot wait for this and to all you little petty whiners who can’t handle it, go on blabbermouth and bitch on there with the rest of the haters. Let us REAL KISS FANS be excited in anticipation of this new rock and roll monster !

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Does any one else see the funny side of trying to critique a band that does not give a #### what anyone thinks of them. Yeah they may be a bit cheesy, they may be “long in the tooth” but their KISS. They rock, and so will any thing they put their name to!

This is great news indeed. While I liked parts of “Psycho Circus”…overall it was just too polished. A straight forward, guitar driven record would be welcome from this longtime fan. While I understand those who wish that Ace was still on board, the bottom line is that he’s happy and is also preparing a new album for this year. That’s a win-win in my book. Back to the KISS album, I like what I’m hearing about the approach. I like the fact it’s being recorded in analog. I like the fact that the current lineup has a chance to prove itself studio-wise. I imagine whatever the business model they use to release the album, ultimately it will probably sell around 350,000 copies here in the states (…and better than expected around the globe). Which isn’t bad in this day and age. Contemporaries like Rush and Priest aren’t doing those numbers anymore. The Crue’s latest sits around 400,000 is sales, and that’s with a big radio hit. Anyone thinking KISS will do AC/DC type numbers isn’t being realistic. I think the band realizes this and is making the album simply to deflect the “heritage act” label it’s earned in recent years. Regardless of the intent, I look forward to the album…and the one from Ace as well.

The question isn’t whether Ace and Peter can do a remarkable job on “MEAT AND POTATOES” if given the chance, the real doubt seems to be focused Paul Stanley’s production skills. With such putrid projects as “New England” in his backround, the fans have every reason to be worried about the new album. Just the thought that Gene Simmons doesn’t play on his own albums is nauseating. Does Paul Stanley paint his own paintings, or does he hire someone else to do that for him also? The dirt, the filth that Paul Stanley has swept under the rug with Kiss.

The question isn’t whether Ace and Peter can do a remarkable job on “MEAT AND POTATOES” if given the chance, the real doubt seems to be focused on Paul Stanley’s production skills. With such putrid projects as “New England” in his backround, the fans have every reason to be worried about the new album. Just the thought that Gene Simmons doesn’t play on his own albums is nauseating. Does Paul Stanley paint his own paintings, or does he hire someone else to do that for him also? The dirt, the filth that Paul Stanley has swept under the rug with Kiss.

Gene, Paul, Peter and Ace haven’t created and album as a band since Alive (which wasn’t even live). Studio musicians were used for parts of Destroyer and likely every album since. However, Destroyer will always remain as the bands last true effort. The simply “mailed in” everything after that.

You recall…

Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em
Love ‘em, leave ‘em

Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em
Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em, yeah

Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em
Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em, yeah
Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em
Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em, yeah
Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em
Love ‘em, leave ‘em, love ‘em, leave ‘em, yeah
Love ‘em, leave ‘em

How about…

Love gun, (love gun), love gun
Love gun, (love gun), love gun
Love gun, love gun

Love gun, (love gun), love gun
Love gun, (love gun)
Love gun, (love gun), love gun
Love gun, (love gun), love gun
Love gun, (love gun)
Love gun, (love gun)
Love gun, (love gun)
Love gun, (love)

Now take a listen to the first 5 albums and tell me what you think! Kiss gave up trying a long, long time ago, and if you think this effort will be any different you deserve to have you pocket picked by Mr. $immons himself.

I put up with non-makeup kiss from 83 to 95, but i will NOT buy a kiss cd if they have OTHER people in Frehley and Criss costumes/makeup/identities. I don’t CARE if simminz has the rights. he can go fukk himself, he is as lost now as he was in the 80’s. Ace is the kiss sound. buy the real thing; ANOMALY

THIS ALBUM WILL NOT be taken seriously and you know why?
asshole gene and pansy paul have 2 members in origianl members/CREATORS ace frehley/peter criss’s make up and costumes.greedy gene and jerk off paul have made a complete mockery of kiss and are just a tribute band circus.
kiss sold their soul to the dollar instead of loving the rock n’ roll.
they’ve spit on their legacy with this scam and this album will TANK because kiss is not kiss but bullshit.
they say it’s not about any members but they know it is.
ace frehley helped give kiss their sound and those riffs were written by him as opposed this ape who just clones ace.
HOW SAD!
PAUL STANLEY HAS NO SHAME AND GENE’S EVEN WORSE.
KISS IS CRAP NOW!
ACE, YOU ROCK!

Gene and Paul need to scrap or shelve the “already written” tracks for “MEAT AND POTATOES”. Obviously they need to bring in Ace and Peter and start over fresh.
The fans demand it. “MEAT AND POTATOES” is a brillant title: Simmons is a genius. Has he copyrighted it yet? One could imagine Stanley painting the four original members of Kiss sitting at a large banquet table with a lush steak dinner and wine glasses in front of them being served by sexy waitress servants. Paul is great at abtracts, but could he handle the challenge of Renaisance light logic? Could he tackle such
realism? The new Kiss portraits are certainly impressive, but this could be his ultimate challege. There would be no shame in getting help with such a paiting. He would gain tremendous respect in the art community. The raffle idea is brilliant. All album buyers get a numbered ticket in the CD. During the last show of the tour, televised at Madison Square Garden, the ticket bin is brought out and the winner chosen. Who wouldn’t want to win a $500,000
Paul Stanley masterpiece! Gene really needs to play on this album. A video of the recording and creating of the new songs could prove it, and supply kiss with another product to sell as well, beginning with Simmons in a suit in his office on Madison Avenue making two phone calls: one to Peter and one to Ace. Peter and Ace need to be reasonable, it’s not their group anymore, and they shouldn’t insist on an equal share, but they should be very well compensated for their services. The fans want the best, and hopefully they’re going to get it: THE HOTTEST BAND IN THE LAND KISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Notice many winners posting here…
lighten up, it’s a band. BTW,why should Gene and Paul stop if two original members can’t keep it together??? ACE and PETER can’t be replaced, but they appear to be unreliable or can’t function in a group… who knows? I’d rather see Kiss in some form vs. no Kiss.

Ace and Peter are just tired of being paid a fraction of what Gene and Paul are. Peter has publicly said that he would return if he was treated fairly. Don’t hold your breath.

ACE and PETER should get equal pay, no doubt. Just a comment on ACE – onstage in makeup he is a true Spaceman, and you can’t replace him. But, if someone has to stand in for ACE, you can’t beat Tommy Thayer.

Was Eric Carr buried in a Kiss coffin? Why did Rolling Stone Magazine choose to ignore his death? Thayer is a puke-pot poser.
Singer is a used tampon scab. Simmons and Stanley are so crooked if they stood still long enough they would screw themselves into the ground. Kiss continue to entertain us!

Thats the point, nobody should have to stand in for Ace and Peter. The only reason they aren’t in the band is because of Gene’s greed. Don’t get me wrong, I love Kiss. Saw them back in 76. Back then Gene was a demon. These days he just makes me laugh on stage, shuffling like an old man and gyrating his hips for the little girls. Really scary Gene! You’ve forgotten what your own character is about.

No doubt that they put on an entertaining show, and the album may be interesting, but it could have been so much more. Listen to She, Black Diamond, Parasite, etc. and tell me that not having Ace and Peter isn’t a wasted opportunity.

It’s true that Peter and Ace have had drug and alcohol problems in the past, as Gene Simmons has pointed out. But look they have been rehabilitated, and that’s in the past. Peter’s days of sleeping under a bridge are over. But there is a “real” imposter after him now: Eric Singer! What does Gene want them to do, take a breathalizer test before each gig? A urine sample? Hair analysis? Give them a break, when your cured, you’re cured!

Just a hunch, but knowing what we know about Gene’s love for the almighty dollar, I bet this whole idea for this record was based SOLELY on seeing the sucess of AC-DC’s most recent record.

Would be great if the original members would get together to do this album…then if Ace and Peter don’t want to tour, bring Eric and Tommy back to hit the road.

This is so exciting! Just the thought of a Kiss reunion album and tour has got me all pumped up!
Who will they take along on the road with them when they play arenas? One of the earmarks of the great early Kiss tours was the quality of the opening acts. Kiss was never intimidated by other group’s talents, and always booked the best possible warm-up bands to give the fans the most for their money. Some suggestions: Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, UFO, Blue Oyster Cult, Heart, Motorhead, or even Soundgarden if they can get it together. Gene, you won’t regret giving Ace and Peter one last chance, you’ve got the rest of your life to play with those other guys. GET UP! EVERYBODY’S GONNA MOVE THEIR FEET. GET DOWN! EVERYBODY’S GONNA LEAVE THEIR SEAT!

I’m excited about the new album. Eric and Tommy are solid musicians and I can’t wait to hear what they bring to the album. Everyone complains about Ace and Peter. Get off it. Let’s celebrate the past while we continue to watch the future unfold.

“I really believe that. Flat-out. If it wasn’t about the money, if it was for the fans, for Kiss fans,
then Ace and I would be up there-we’d be playing right now.”

Please Jesus, please don’t let there be makeup involved. I’m all for a KISS disc of 70’s stuff i.e., Hotter Than Hell or Dressed to Kill, but enough with damn makeup.

Paul Stanley IS KISS!
As long as Paul is writing, recording and producing..It will be great!
Looking forward to it…
p.s.
Eric and Tommy are better at this point.

Darkness will fall on the city.
It seems to fall on you too.
Although you don’t ask for pity,
THERE’S NUTHIN YOU CAN DO!!!!!!
Ooh Hoo, Black Diamond.
Ooh Hoo, Black Diamond.
Ooh Hoo, BLACK DIAMOND!!!!!!!!!!
A…A…A.. .A…A…A…A…A
A..A..A..A ..A..A.A.A.A.AAAAAA
A!
KISS LOVES YOU GOODNIGHT!!!!!!!!

ACE AND PETER ONE MORE TIME!!!!!

Get it right space cat!!

Darkness will fall on the city
It seems to follow you too
And though you don’t ask for pity
There’s nothin’ that you can do, no, no

Whoo, black diamond
Whoo, black diamond

Go meat and potatoes

BTW, IMO Paul isn’t even the best singer in Kiss. Peter, though his vocal performances were few, out-shined Paul with every one. Black Diamond, Nothin to lose and Beth are all vocal masterpieces. Not only were Ace and Peter ripped off financially, their creativity was stifled as well. No wonder they both turned to substance abuse.

I don’t need to defend Thayer…he’s well defended here. but i gotta toss in a comment for Eric…..when he’s not working for Gene and Paul, he’s touring with Alice Cooper. Yeah, this guy must really suck if he’s under contract to both Kiss and the Coop…Give the guy a break….he’s one of the best drummers in rock and roll today, no doubt!!

Singer is a “Two-Timer”. As for Alice Cooper, he betrayed his original band in 1975, and has been making his living playing their songs ever since. The only thing Thayer is good for is ordering spaghetti for Peter Criss.
Wake-up dude! Get yourself a copy of “Kiss Alive” and listen to “100,000 Years”. Real “man-rock” from two real men – Ace Frehley and Peter Criss.

You can just feel the electricity in the air that this is going to really happen. Is Gene going to use the reunion to jump-start the ratings of his ailing “Family Jewels” t.v. show. Will the cameramen follow him all around as he puts it all together? But that would be “opportunistic” and “resourceful”. Gene would never have anything to do with that. Mr.Simmons has too much integrity to do anything solely for “business” purposes.

One more time…lighten up. We are talking about bands here. BTW, Singer is a musician with two gigs, whats the problem? He’s good at what he does. Thayer is a great guitar player. Ace and Peter are founding members, wish they were still in the band, but life goes on.

Exactly, Brady. Just curious…these people that are slagging Singer and Thayer….are they also all over The Stones, Eagles and The Who, just for a few examples, of bands who for one reason or another no longer have original band members. Or is their venom reserved for Gene and Paul? Yeah, I became a Kiss fan when Ace and Peter were in the band, but now they are not. I still like Ace and Peter, but why should that make me hate Tom and Eric? BTW….I’ve met Eric….he’s a class guy.

This is similar to what Ozzy did (re-mastered his solo collection with a new drummer and bassist so he wouldn’t have to pay royalties). Gene and Paul used Ace and Peter to rebuild their tarnished image and give themselves credibility. Once that was accomplished, the felt that hired “look-alikes” were a cheaper and more profitable option. Its all about the money baby, forget about the art.

We are outsiders looking in. Nobody knows what the story is.
I don’t loose any sleep over it.
I do know what its like to be in a band…and its real easy for a member to screw it up for the rest of the “team” – maybe thats how Gene and Paul feel about Ace and Peter…again who knows? I’m sure Gene would prefer the original members (more $$$). As far as art, thats BS – the main drivers to be in a band are girls, $$$, fame – thats it.

Brady you obviously aren’t a musician. Its very obvious when a band is in it for money only, one only has to look at the last 20 years of the Stones for that. A band that loves what they do will make money (U2, Rush, etc). Albums that are made with money as the biggest motivating factor always fail.

All the doubters out there are going eat their own words when the ORIGINAL KISS comes back BIGGER THAN EVER! This is going to be THE biggest album since KISS ALIVE! This is going to be the most KICK-
ASS tour Kiss has ever done! Led Zeppelin has let the fans down. Black Sabbath has let the fans down. It’s time for Kiss to stand up and take the Heavy Metal Throne from them. It’s in the air and the time is NOW!

Hey Rolling Stone magazine!

Regardless of how one personally feels about Kiss, whether it be the original line-up, the current one, or any in between, you CANNOT deny the influence they’ve had on rock music fans & even current rock musicians. Yet you CONTINUALLY deny them entry into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I ask you, WHY?!

Kiss technically were eligible in what, 1999? yet they’re continually snubbed. So was Black Sabbath, & Ozzy was quite frankly getting tired of it, wasn’t he? But you’ve now inducted them, so why your continual bias?

Metallica are being inducted, & rightfully so, but they’re not really having to wait either, are they? And what’s with this crap where you induct rap singers, jazz, Madonna, & who knows WHAT else & continue to SNUB those who REALLY have EARNED it?

I’m aware that Gene Simmons loves MONEY & will whore merchandise, but that’s beside the point. Remember the band that back in the mid-70’s released 3 studio LPs that didn’t really do so well, but then released KISS ALIVE! which went on to multi-platinum status & opened the door for future success? And I remind you that that early version of the band was hungry & willing to pay the price to achieve their dreams.

So what if later they allowed commercialism to set them back? They, Gene & Paul specifically, were able to re-invent the band when necessary, with or without makeup, & are still here today, unlike a lot of your idols who are long gone.

Give credit where credit is due. And while I’m thinking about it, why hasn’t Alice Cooper ever been inducted? Do you deny HIS influence on rock music history as well? And correct me if I’m wrong, but I have no recollection of Queen ever being inducted either.

Just what IS IT with you guys?!

Kiss doesn’t give a damn about being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Robert Plant said, “It’s just the industry jacking itself off,” and then accepted the award. Only Johnny Rotten told them to “SHOVE IT” it when they tried to induct The Sex Pistols. “The real critics are the people,” as Paul Stanley has said. But what the people want now is a “real” Kiss album: “Hotter Than Hell”, Dressed To Kill”, “Alive!” And while it’s probably true that Ace and Peter sold-off their rights in Kiss, Gene and Paul took full advantage of them. They needed the money to buy drugs! While Paul Stanley was meeting with architects to discuss the most strategic placement of the elevator in his three-story mansion, Peter was sleeping on the floors of dilapidated gas station men’s rooms – the kind in the back where they don’t flush the toilet and there’s an inch of piss and water on the black, moldy tile. Those guys were probably so stoned they didn’t even know what they were signing! But they’re better now, a lot better; and they’re THE BEST at what they do, which is to play KICK-ASS rock and roll. Fake-Kiss may fly in Latin America, where they’ll cheer anything cause they don’t know the difference; but not in the good ole USA, you know Gene, the place where the “real” money is made. This is a critical moment in Kiss’ history. Do you do the right thing for the fans, and ultimately your own bank accounts, which is to reunite? Or do you blow it Simmons? Ace and Peter have to be reasonable, you don’t just “show-up” for work eight years later, and expect your position to be there waiting for you. They can’t just DEMAND an equal percentage. But if they play on the new album (which we are all hoping for), they should be able to really “play” on it; what Paul did to them on “Psycho-Circus” was disgusting! In the mean time, Kiss fans will continue to wait in anticipation. The “negotiations” would make for a thrilling first few episodes of Gene’s new Kiss reality show. If Peter and Ace appear on it, they DEFINITELY should be paid! If they’re not on it, what’s the point in doing the show – there’ll be no drama! Ratings Simmons, equate to money. Check out the new Kiss logo: KI$$!

The original lineup will never get back together again. That’s pretty clear. The new KISS album will do fine…as will the US Tour. I look forward to both.

HEY NOT A SINGER FAN… YOU’RE A MORON! THAYER IS A GUITAR PLAYER, WHY WOULD HE BE BUYING A DRUMMER PIZZAS??? YOU MAKE NO SENSE DUDE! ACE AND PETER, GOD LOVE THEM FOR BEING ORIGINALS, BUT I THOUGHT KISS’ LAST ALBUM BEFORE REUNITING WAS GREAT! I SAY GIMME THAYER AND SINGER, PLAY 70′S ROCK AND GO ON TOUR SO I CAN BUY A TICKET! HELLUVA SHOW, MAKE UP NO MAKE UP ORIGINALS. KISS IS STANLEY AND SIMMONS… THE SOONER YOU REALIZE THAT, THE BETTER OFF YOU WILL BE!

Hey Johnny Z! Wake up you moron! It was Thayer’s job to order Peter’s “spaghetti” not pizza!
Before he “stole” Frehley’s job, he was one of Kiss’ roadies. Read the interview with Peter Criss, it’s on the net. Kiss used to mean Kick-Ass Music, now with those two posers, it stands for “Kids In Silly Suits”!

…can still kick ass with this lineup. At least the potential is there. I’ve read Peter’s interview and there’s certainly a little bit of sour grapes going on there. Thayer did more behind the scenes than roadie and fetch chow for the boys. Ace himself has endorsed Tommy. Wish some fans were capable of the same. I’ll listen to the new album with an open mind.

Sometimes all the fans have is their faith. No one has a bigger heart than Paul Stanley, and no one understands heartbreak better than Paul, and the fans are broken-hearted. It’s too bad that things like money and drugs can destroy something as good and as important as the original Kiss. We grew up with you. You were there in the tough times. You were there in the good times. And you’re still there when the tough times return. Kiss is a part of our American culture.
Not the kind of culture you were made to read in books, but the real-world culture you discovered on your own. To some people Kiss is laughable, but to their real fans they are leaders, out there to inspire us not to give up, to keep on trying. Ace and Peter have fought some tough battles, but they’ve never given up, and neither have their fans. Just
because a final reunion tour is against all odds is no reason to lose hope: It’s all the more reason to believe. LIVE TO WIN!

I read Peter’s interview also. Anyone here care to clarify something? In said interview, Peter claims that Gene & Paul were not even on SPEAKING TERMS with each other, that they didn’t talk to each other & that Gene even stayed in separate hotels.

Personally, I find that hard to believe. Maybe I can believe that Peter & Ace got the shaft at times, but Paul & Gene being bitter enemies who won’t even speak?! THAT is a little far-fetched!

I don’t buy it. Anyone care to elaborate?

Why do you find that hard to believe? Gene can’t get along with anybody else in the band, why should Paul be any different. There is plenty of Youtube video of the band backstage, I have yet to see Gene interact with anyone. In fact, besides Ace and Peter, nobody talks to anyone else in that band. I’ve seen countless walks to and from the stage and its the same every time, each guy 20 feet behind the next, never uttering a word to each other.

Gene and Paul don’t have to talk to each other, they have an understanding of what they have to do and they do it. Besides, Paul is
almost completely deaf, and reading lips is hard to do with all that make-up on. But the four originals have always had a special chemistry when they’re writing songs. Once they start playing together great songs just happen. There are thousands of groups out there, but that rare meeting of just the right guys is magic – inexplicable. Regardless of what disagreements Peter, Paul, Ace and Gene have had over the years, when they get together it’s like an explosion. Kiss became famous not just because of their stage show; they were selling records not movies! Regardless of how many songwriters or replacement guys you hire, you can’t duplicate that chemistry – it’s just too rare – too unique.
The same is true of The Beatles,
Zeppelin or CSN&Y; Take one guy away and it’s gone.

Musically speaking there’s just no comparing Singer and Thayer to Criss and Frehley. The proof is in the U-tubes! Let the fans listen and judge for themselves. The band has an overall weaker sound with Singer and Thayer. How do I hate Singer? Let me count the ways: The same old thud, thud ,thud, on every song – sometimes speeding up, sometimes slowing down. Drum rolls all over the place where they don’t belong. And no vocal talent whatsoever: Singer is not a singer! And as for Thayer-The-Betrayer: No tonal quality at all -he sounds as thin as piss on a rock. Always staying comfortably in the pocket, Tommy gives us the standard 1,4,5 blues scale shit we all learned in middle school, over and over again. The guy sounds like he’s playing by numbers! Simmons and Stanley have to work that much harder to try and compensate for the lack of help they’re getting on stage. Once a roadie, always a roadie! Give us back the real Kiss! Give us back the quality of musicianship we deserve! We want the “best” and we’re not getting it! We want the return of the hottest band in the world: The Original Kiss!

I dont even know where to start!! Some of the comments on here make no sense at all! Fisrt the Tommy Thayer critique? about his 1,3,5 Blues playing? Are you nuts?? Tommy to his credit is doing his absolute best to play Aces Solos perfect!And he is! And Singer is a great drummer and a good singer. His drumming my not be good for kiss but it was Great for Brian May! And this Kiss album will BOMB!! and US tour?? Uh no!! They cant tour the US with out Peter & Ace its a fact not opinion! Look at the places they play in the US and how low budget the satge set is. Lets see them try and book the Garden and other Notheast Arenas! Instead of bum F&$K Utah Ampitheater and Vegas ect..

Singer is almost solely responsible for Black Sabbath’s two biggest disasters: “Eternal Idol” and “7th Star”. He has no respect at all for Peter Criss who has said, “Take the damn make-up off!” The guy’s a musical prostitute – he ruined Sabbath, Cooper, and now Kiss! As for Thayer, his riffs sound as prefabricated as his wig! These sorry clones don’t have the guts to stand on their own personna; It’s an insult to the fans! “Amazing” you have obviously never heard the original Kiss in concert. You have to stand in front of Ace Frehley’s amplifiers to disbelieve it! Ace hasn’t been given a damn bit of credit from guitar critics over the years, but the fact remains most of the great Kiss songs have come out of his head and hands. That’ll be the day when “Guitar World” puts him on the cover. Likewise, Peter Criss is the most underrated drummer ever. Peter is a jazz-level percussionist, but because he played in Kiss, the press has always senselessly “bashed” him. And it sure doesn’t help when guys like Gene Simmons put him down either. Listen to “Strange Ways”, “Mainline”, “Two Timer”, “Love Her All I Can”, and “Baby Driver”. “Real” Kiss songs for “real” Kiss fans!

Singer and Thayer are very brave indeed going ahead with the new album and U.S. tour. Rumor has it that they already have four tracks in the can. Don’t they know that K.I.S.S. stands for “Kings In Satanic Service?” Aren’t they aware of the imfamous Kiss-Kurse? Are St.John and Carr laying in Kiss-Kaskets because of it? Supposedly, anyone who takes the place of an original member breaks the spell and suffers the consequences. Get smart guys, and get out while you still can. When you take something that isn’t yours, there’s always hell to pay. Karma!

Personally, I found the comments posted here to be FAR more entertaining than the article itself! Thanks to all for the passion!

As for KISS, they will always hold a unique place in rock history, and in my heart. But a new album from them? Sounds like a money grab. Unless Paul has written some stuff that is better than “Live To Win,” the album will be mediocre at best. And don’t even get me started on Gene’s “A**hole” album…:-)

I’ll buy it…Gene knows that…I always do. I’ll go see them too…Gene knows that…I always do…:-) But it won’t be all that exciting.

Could I be wrong? Sure. Do I hope I am wrong? YES! Is it likely that I am wrong? Uh, no.

I want KISS with no make up, which is the way it should be if Ace and Pete arne’t in the band, I have no problem with an album of “KISS” songs with out the bombast. Lets go back to the 80’s guys, it’ll be fun.

Horus Ptah

Off your meds, are we?
KISS does not ’stand’ for anything. Just the word ‘kiss’.

I’m tired of the ‘Peter and Ace’ debate. They don’t wanna be there. Done.

Then we get KISS fans complaining they don’t release any new material, and now they finally are. Don’t whine. They’ve got serious potential to release a kick-ass album.

I can’t wait!!

How is Kiss going to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame unless they reunite and tour this year? Are they going to induct Gene, Paul, Tommy, and Eric? They certainly deserve to be inducted next Spring, but it would have to be after a reunion tour to make any sense at all. And there is no debate about Peter and Ace, they want to be there if given the chance. Time for a Cherry Dr. Pepper!

@ genes5012

“I’m tired of the ‘Peter and Ace’ debate. They don’t wanna be there. Done.”

That is simply not true. Look for Peter’s recent interview where he explains why he is not in Kiss anymore. He was not asked, and Gene nor Paul would not return his calls. The true fans would just like to hear how Gene, Paul, Ace and Peter would sound playing on a record, because apparently thats not what we got on Pshyco Circus (with the exception of “Into the void”. Gene and Paul are just a couple of spoiled millionaires who no longer give a rats a$$ about music, or their fans. Let them play their casinos and indian reserves, I’m done with these guys. Returning my Kiss Army membership as well.

Ya know, it’s something, ain’t it? According to what I read, James Hetfield, at the Hall of Fame induction, spouted off a list of bands that deserve to ALSO be inducted. Guess who one of them was? You guessed it…..KISS!

So many people have so much time to waste…always complaining! KISS today is so much stronger musically than with the other two that I don’t even want to name because their place is no longer with KISS. They blew it not only once but twice with their mediocre performances. You can’t feel the full power of KISS on stage and on cd unless you have the right people for the job and Simmons, Stanley, Singer and Thayer are delivering the goods and will continue to do so! I’m the happiest KISS fan in the world because in 2009 I’m getting exactly what I want. I’m going to see KISS live and buy a kick-ass KISS album so if you don’t like it stop wasting your time whining and put your energy into something you actually like!

Ivan, if Peter and Ace are so forgetable and unimportant then why do Tommy and Eric have to dress up like them and copy their songs? Kiss was broke before the reunion tours with Peter and Ace put them back in the black. Kiss’ greatest record sales and concert attendance were with Peter and Ace. Paul is dreaming if he thinks he can fill Soldier Field without Peter and Ace. Bring back Peter and Ace and we’ll be there AND buy the new album! Instead of the $30 tickets Paul is talking about, with Peter and Ace we’ll pay $130! Gene, please sit down with your accountants and work this thing out. Do it for the fans too!

The reason Peter and Ace are not with the band is because they are both drunks. If they could sober up and not be pricks than everyone else in the Kiss camp would be happy to have them back. It’s really that simple. You can’t tour as a band with alcoholics.

Yo Todd. Your information is old. Both Peter and Ace are FULLY RECOVERED! With all the MONEY that would be on the line on the upcoming album and U.S. tour, there is just NO WAY they’re going to blow it. Gene could keep Tommy and Eric on the bench should that happen, but he’s got to give Peter and Ace one last chance. Gene’s got to give the fans one last chance too. Why don’t Gene and Paul let the fans VOTE for who THEY want in the band, not just the cities they’ll play. That should settle it. This is the USA and it is a democracy. Kiss belongs to America, and Americans should have a say!

@KissFan

No need for bench warmers. I heard nothing about Ace or Peter’s abuse problems causing any problems on the reunion tour or Psycho Circus tours. I can only recall Paul missing a show during that period (and no they didn’t cancel the show). Were they drinking? Probably. But show me another band that doesn’t have at least one abuser.

belinda stronach nickname “Buffy The Minnesota Hooker” is being confronted on the streets of Canada regarding her business owner claims and so called credentials. What does Gene Simmons have to say about that. Has he talked to the RCMP about the Police file goof!!

belinda stronach nickname “Buffy The Minnesota Hooker” is being confronted on the streets of Canada regarding her business owner claims and so called credentials. What does Gene Simmons have to say about that. Has he talked to the RCMP about the Police file goof!!

I was really into KISS when I was kid and still have a place in my heart for them, but…. The new line-up looks so fake and staged which, I can’t get into. As a business KISS is doing the right thing, as musicians, they are doing the wrong thing. Business wins, almost every time.

Dear Elrodney,
Don’t give up hope! Kiss was all about music, and all about the fans, from the begining and still is! I don’t believe Gene or Paul will let their fans down. They could have gone into real estate if money was all they cared about.
They care about their fans, and the fans want Ace and Peter back. They’ll settle this problem, and the result will be the greatest Kiss Tour ever! We’ll all be there together and everything will be all right. I have confidence in the greatest rock and roll band of all time! LIVE TO WIN!

Dear KISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’ll be the greatest tour ever if Gene & Paul will just relent & let Ace & Peter come back? I don’t THINK so! Not at THIS point. Even if they ALL got along for a few shows, ultimately the same problems would once again ‘rear their ugly head’ as Paul puts it.

Even IF Ace & Peter ARE both sober & substance free, Peter STILL has a tendency to whine about his ’songs not being OUT there’ & all of that. Ace might would be OK, but I believe ever since Peter first left the band, he’s thought that the show was all about him, you know, because of Beth & everything. He was a star, right? And his material needed to be out there, & it just wasn’t happening in KISS.

So even if they are sober, these ‘creative differences’ would once again split up the band. And you KNOW Gene & Paul WILL NOT stand for that!

Dear Tim:
If Gene, Paul, Peter, and Ace DID get back together; tell me you wouldn’t be the first in line to get your ticket. Nuff said.

Theyre half a tribute band for Gods sake. They have essentially been milking this reunion thing for thirteen years. I will no doubt be curious about the new album, but no way in hell will I pay for it. I have given these clowns enough of my money. Simmons has made them into a complete joke.

For Kiss its all about the fans, ever since 1975 I have been one and although they have stumbled “The Elder” once or twice they always come back and give the true rock and roll fan what WE want! Rock on Kiss, never ever stop rockin

As for “Bass” go back to your corner and listen to the music you like and thank Kiss for changing it into what it is today.

Okay “Dog” if they always give the the fans what they want explain why they have two fake, unwanted members in the band, and why have they only given us three great albums since 1982; Creatures, Lick it up, and Carnival of Souls. thats 27 years and only three albums that i would still listen to. Theres been countless best-of packages, a lame box set, and the KISSology series that gave us nothing we hadn’t already seen. Again, theyre just milking their die hard fans. Actually, The Elder is a much better album than Asylum, Crazy Nights, Hot in the Shade, or Psycho Circus. Any good bands that were influenced by KISS, were drawing from the first five years. Simmons counts on fans like you to keep his wallet fat.

Bass, you conveniently forgot Revenge, didn’t you.

Might want to try doing your homework before you open your mouth.

And are Tommy & Eric REALLY unwanted? Sure, they’re filling Ace’s & Peter’s roles, BUT…..they also seem to be coming into their own, so to speak. To put it the way that Paul does, the BAND ITSELF (keyword: band) is currently so tight & cohesive, it’s one thing that inspired Paul to ‘change his mind’ about doing a NEW album, which he was previously against.

And let’s face it, the other incarnations of KISS had their respective albums, make-up or not, so why shouldn’t the 2 NEWER guys have equally a chance?

Nah, I didn’t forget Revenge, I wrote “great” album, and Revenge is a decent album, but hardly great. “Unholy” is a great song, I will give you that. You said it, the new members are playing roles. I listed carnival of souls as one of their greats, and that is with Eric Singer, so I have no problem giving him his chance, but dont pretend to be Peter. If you cant see that they dressed Eric and Tommy up in Ace and Peters costumes so they wouldnt interrupt the whole reunion vibe, and keep that cash coming in, then you have certainly been brainwashed by the diarrhea coming out of Paul, and Genes mouth. Mostly Gene though, i think Paul has a little integrity left.

So Bass, what do you think then of back in the non-makeup period, KISS released a ‘best of’ called ‘Smashes, Thrashes & Hits’ & if memory serves me correctly, they did a remake of ‘Beth’ with ERIC CARR on lead vocals INSTEAD of Peter’s version!

So what do you think of THAT one?

With no disrespect to Eric Carr, I thought it was stupid, and pointless. It was disrespectful to Peter, and disrespectful to their own legacy. That song launched them into commercial success. They couldn’t even be loyal to themselves. Eric wrote hundreds of songs, instead of having him sing the guy he replaced song, why didn’t they give him at least one song per album, instead of just one song for his entire career with them.

You may have a point about Eric Carr being under-utilized, & Bruce Kulick too, for that matter.

Actually, didn’t Gene & Paul let Eric have TWO songs? One was Little Caesar on Hot in the Shade, & the other was Ain’t That Peculiar, which I believe would’ve gone on the same LP but somehow ended up on the boxed set.

But yeah, I bought a CD BY Eric Carr called Rockology. Some are complete tracks, some are pretty much riffs without ‘real’ lyrics per se, but the CD itself is pretty decent considering it’s not even a ‘finished’ work, & it showed the TALENT that Eric Carr had FOR the material. Another thing. He was more rock-influenced than Peter, so his material reflected that, & would’ve been a GREAT fit on ANY of the LPs from that period!

Another lost oppurtunity was Bruce Kulick. Here was a guy who could not only make a guitar talk, but could also write songs. However, he was FAR more LOYAL than Vinnie Vincent EVER was! Yet it was on his LAST album with KISS, Carnival of Souls, that he had his first & ONLY lead vocal, ironically on a song called ‘I WALK ALONE’.

To be fair, it was my understanding that NEITHER of these guys were EVER really ‘full’ members of the band, that is, not like Ace & Peter, who ARE partners, but were rather ‘hired hands’, so therefore Gene & Paul did like they wanted to. Like with Tommy Thayer & Eric Singer now.

In the case of Eric Carr & Bruce Kulick, however, I believe they were actually MORE loyal to KISS than Ace OR Peter. They were more ‘team players’ in other words. They tried to further the band itself. They were VERY loyal in that sense, & they weren’t trying to strike out on solo careers & threaten to leave the band & all of that like Ace & Peter did. Yet Gene & Paul FAILED to use them to their fullest potential in the band, whether it be in singing OR songwriting. I guess in a way it was because it wasn’t a song by Gene or Paul? I DIDN’T like that aspect of that situation! Lost oppurtunities indeed!

Also to be fair otherwise, I think Ace AND Peter really screwed up by leaving the band in the FIRST place. Where were the award-winning SOLO careers that were supposed to be spawned by their leaving? Even though both guys put out some good songs, overall their careers were mediocre at BEST.

So Ace & Peter should probably never left, but by the same token, TO BE FAIR, their leaving actually revitalized the band that resulted in the non-makeup period. Had they stayed, the whole band would’ve probably gone down. Kaput. The End.

Vinnie Vincent may have been a screw up,(according to Gene, and Paul) but he could play circles around Bruce, and he co-wrote nearly every song on Creatures, and Lick it up, and the better songs on Revenge. He also had a far better stage presence than Bruce. Vinnie revitalized KISS. As soon as he was gone they were lame.

I disagree almost completely with your Vinnie Vincent statements even though I agreed somewhat concerning Eric Carr.

On some DVDs I have, Gene discusses Vinnie. He describes him as ’self-destructive’. He also stated that he ‘hung himself’ while being handed the ‘keys to the kingdom’. Gene went on to say that Vinnie never, I repeat, NEVER, to this day, SIGNED his contract! He always put it off to later, & later never got here. Vinnie also seemed to go off on the deep end as far as being able to ‘handle’ being in a band LIKE KISS. I seem to recall Gene also describing his behavior as ‘bizarre’. And just what WAS it with him in that he thought HE was the reason for KISS’ success? What a crock THAT was!

You may be getting AHEAD of yourself in discussing Vinnie’s songwriting abilities. He DID write good songs on those KISS ALBUMS, but he did so ONLY in collaboration with either Gene or Paul. Don’t believe me? Then just check out his solo stuff called Vinnie Vincent Invasion. It kinda sucks!

Let me elaborate. On his first ’solo’ LP, there are songs that he supposedly submitted to Gene & Paul that he wanted to appear on Animalize, which I guess this was before they gave him the axe. Well, these songs, like Animal, appeared on his first Invasion LP. Now, it’s been some time since I listened to his 2 Invasion LPs, but I don’t remember being particularly impressed, especially with the first LP. The 2nd one I remember being a ‘little’ better, at least certain songs. However, the material HE wrote was definitely NOT of the same quality like his collaborations with Gene & Paul.

So I think the bottom line is, is that with Gene & Paul, he could write awesome material, because he also had THEIR input. On his own? HE SUCKED! Just ask Mark Slaughter. That IS his name, isn’t it?

What I’m referring to is, years ago, I read where the pro wrestler by the name of Chris Jericho, who is a big KISS fan, stated that Vinnie started HIS band after he left KISS, & got FIRED BY HIS OWN BAND! Unbelievable! And that ‘band’ went on to become Slaughter, WITHOUT Vinnie!

Even when Vinnie came back to work on Revenge, I think he went back to his bizarre behavior. I think the problem with Vinnie is that, regardless of HOW MUCH talent he has, he’s just a LOSER when it comes to dealing with ‘real life’ in a band. Give me Bruce anyday!

Again, your beleiving everything Gene has told the public about Vinnie. I’m sure Vinnie was screwed up and difficult to deal with, but if he was that bad they wouldn’t have reached out to him for songwriting help on Revenge. I own both of Vinnie’s albums. I think they are great 80’s metal albums. Some songs are a bit over the top, but hey it was the 80’s. “Back on the streets,” “Boys are Gonna rock,” Shoot u full of love” from his first album, and “That time of year,” “Love kills,” and “Let freedom rock” from his second album are far better songs than anything KISS was putting out at that time. I also own Slaughter’s first album, its not even close without Vinnie.

I am not disputing whether he was a good soldier or not, I’m simply saying as a fan, I enjoyed KISS more with him as member than I did with Bruce. I saw them live with both and Vinnie was a madman on stage, he had this wild persona, which added to the experience, whereas Bruce just kind of lumbered around on stage and looked out of place. There was nothing cool about him, yeah he could play, but so could a million other guys. You gotta have a little something more if your going to be onstage with KISS.

That was the magic of the original four, they had four different persona’s and four different decision makers, and each was allowed to shine on their own, whereas all the other incarnations, it was the Gene and Paul show, except for Vinnie to some degree, he had his fingerprints all over Creatures, and Lick it up, and when he played live with them, they couldn’t hold him down.

I also own both of Vinnie’s Invasion albums, the 2nd one on CD, the 1st one on vinyl. Incidentally, I haven’t cared to play EITHER of these since about the end of 2004, fast coming up on 5 years. How do I know this? I already had the CD & then got the 1st one somewhere on vinyl & remember it being around November 2004 because I had just started a new job. Now I wouldn’t swear that was the last time I listened to them as it’s been so long ago, who knows, I may’ve played ‘em again at some point but I sure don’t remember it if I did. That’s why I think it’s safe to say the 1st choice is probably right, but if I did play them, it was no doubt as part of some KISS-related marathon.

The bottom line is that to me, they weren’t that memorable. I DID like ‘That Time of Year’ from the 2nd album pretty good, but the rest were forgettable. Maybe I need to dig them out & give them another listen? Just to be fair, that is.

However, to me, it seemed to say that he could write GREAT songs with either Paul or Gene, but on his own, it seemed to lack something. Also don’t discount the songwriting prowess of BOTH Paul AND Gene. Sure, Gene can write some SUCKING material. Just check out his last solo album. However, when Gene gets down to business, he provides us with the likes of Deuce & Unholy. Yes, the latter one; it wasn’t ALL Vinnie! And let’s not forget Paul, who has written MANY of KISS’ BEST songs, long before anyone knew who Vinnie was.

And as for a singer/songwriter/ guitar player, I’d pick ACE anyday over Vinnie, because HIS material DID rock, even if he let Gene & Peter sing most of his songs back in the day.

Kiss will always be Ace, Gene, Peter, and Paul. Nuff said!

Yes, Paul and Gene are capable songwriters, and I am not trying to imply that they need Vinnie. My point was since Vinnie they have given us only one “great” album; Carnival of souls, which showed off some excellent songs like “Childhoods end” and “Jungle.” Thats what so frustrating about it, when you know they have it in them and then they give us, “psycho circus.” What a piece of crap that was. I lost all hope for these guys after buying that, and the more you really research, you start to see that Gene only cares about making money, with zero regard for KISS’ legacy. You’d NEVER see KISS do free shows like Ozzy did on his last Ozzfest as a thank you to the fans. The reason KISS isn’t inducted in the hall of fame: Gene Simmons has turned them into a joke.

Let’s face it, the original KISS (w/Ace & Peter) is what put KISS on the map. There is no KISS like the original KISS.

Tommy and Eric are great and in all actuality, are probably BETTER musicians than Paul & Gene at this juncture of the game. But for arguments sake…let’s think about the new KISS CD.

First off, it’s supposed to be a 70’s era rocker. We’ll we’ve all heard that before. Paul talks in “cliches`” and Gene is worried about money. Gene’s love of true KISS “music” business has gone out the window years ago. REVENGE was his last musical hurrah!

Gene worries more about the band’s namesake and the money it can bring in. He is no longer a KISS qualified musician/songwriter.

Paul is going to do his best to give the diehard fans as close to an old 70’s vibe as possible. Kudos for trying. (I HOPE IT WORKS!)

OLD KISS has stood the test of time. 70’s KISS still gets played on the radio even! The only 80’s era KISS I might occassionally hear is “Lick It Up.” If KISS cannot at least give a reflection of their past 70’s hard rockin’, catchy, youth inspired tunes….this will probably be the LAST KISS CD we ever hear of with NEW music. I hope it’s a genuine CD with ego/attitude and balls!!

But I unfortunately expect it to be…fluff, parody and a mistake. Please don’t give us another hyped up flop! Give us a “Rock & Roll Over or another Love Gun!”

As far as Ace’s CD….yes, I look forward to that. Ace has remained the most “rock and roll” out of all the members. His style hasn’t varied too much since his heydey with KISS! Unfortunately, him getting a big record deal is going to be absolutely UNHEARD of!! No record labels will support him in a big way….because the labels are struggling to survive as it is. The music scene is horrible and music the way it was in the 70’s and 80’s is gone forever! Too many bands, fan’s musical tastes change too quickly and support for any length of time is a thing of the past. Labels will be almost extinct in 5 more years. Music will be a DIY Project from home. Bands will tour (if they can) on their own dime…and music will be for sale on the internet/online only!

LONG LIVE 70’s & 80’s hard rock!
(even if it’s a thing of the past.)

I hope the new KISS CD is good….and I hope Ace’s is good. Anything new is better than NOTHING AT ALL! But I’ll keep KISS, HTH, DTK, ALIVE, DEST., R&RO, LG, ALIVE 2, and CREATURES in my CD player!

According to Paul, this new KISS album is going to be a 70’s KISS album in the truest sense of the word, & that it’ll be recorded in ANALOG, NOT DIGITAL. So that tells me that although I’m sure it’ll be available on CD for the mass market, you should also be able to go into your specialty record store & also buy it on VINYL! Much like a LOT of groups are currently doing even with THEIR newest releases.

To me, this is a plus. Call me old school, but at 45, I prefer vinyl myself & I’m glad to see it making a decent comeback. I also prefer KISS on LP because although a KISS LP is also about the music, it’s also about the TOTAL experience. The cover art, the accessories, etc. Just look back to albums like ROCK AND ROLL OVER & LOVE GUN & you know what I’m talking about.

To me that overall experience is just lost on a CD where you can’t even read the lyrics without a magnifying glass!

Paul promised that “Psycho Circus” was going to recapture the classic KISS vibe, and we all know how that turned out. I wish they would bring in a producer, like Rick Rubin, or Rob Cavallo that would push them creatively. With Paul producing I fear they will just give us the same old, same old of the last 25 years. I would love some songs where they split the vocals in the same song, and have Paul write songs for Gene(ala God of Thunder), and forget about the ballads, just give us a straight up rock album with some substance, and drop the cheesy lyrics. These guys are 60 years old they should have something to say. This will probably be their last studio album, so I want them to go out loud, and proud with a big middle finger to all the critics who don’t think they’re relevant in rock history.

I haven’t checked Eddie Kramer’s current status as to whether he’s still working or even alive, but if he is, then why didn’t they get him? Another choice I KNOW they could’ve gotten is Bob Ezrin. Why didn’t Paul & Gene use EITHER of these guys?

As for Psycho Circus, there are a few good songs on it, namely the first four, but that’s not the worst thing that bothers me. What bugs me is the supposed behind-the-scenes garbage that supposedly went on.

Gene & Paul make out like the same problems began rearing their ugly head. Peter, on the other hand, claims they wouldn’t use ANY of HIS songs. Note that he sung a ballad written by Paul. However, Paul would say that a KISS album SHOULDN’T be an equal number of songs split up among 4 guys, but rather use the BEST songs, because the fans deserve the BEST songs & shouldn’t get SUB-PAR MATERIAL. Uh, OUCH, Peter!

Truthfully, a LOT of Peter’s material ISN’T suitable for the KISS sound. They’re a hard rock band, NOT a jazz one. However, here & there we would get something out of Peter like Hooligan, so a song like that would be welcome. Ace, on the other hand, could CONSISTENTLY come out with GREAT material for KISS, & he finally even started SINGING it himself!

Besides these problems, it’s said that ACE & Peter didn’t even PLAY on MUCH of the album, that it was actually Tommy playing a LOT of Ace’s parts. It also sounds like these guys weren’t really on the same page, but just like the old days, they tried to create an illusion to the public, AND the fans, that they were.

For these various reasons it’s no wonder the album suffered. Nevertheless, it sounds like THIS project is gonna be MUCH better. Everyone is playing, there’s no outside writers, etc. Let’s just hope they deliver the goods!

The only way Simmmons can make-up
for the executions of Peter and Ace is to put Soundgarden in front of Kiss on the proposed U.S. tour. Cornell is willing, but can Simmons engineer it?

I don’t understand the Soundgarden plug, but it’s going to be Buckcherry opening for KISS this fall. Eddie Kramer is still with us, and still in the biz, but I think they need someone tapped into the current scene who has a real appreciation for the 70’s vibe.
Why is it that every time KISS is on tv recently (from Rock Honors to American Idol)Paul’s voice sounds like shit, but when i checked videos from his “Live to Win” tour he sounds great.

Buckcherry – (Ace + Peter) = 0(tickectsales)

Do the math Simmons!

Never underestimate Kiss. They will SHOCK the world with the ultimate reunion tour! Hang on to your seats: THE ONE, THE ONLY, KISS!

Keep drinkin the Kool-Aide Jareb

It’s people like you B(ass), that ruin it for the true fans! How can you possibly cheer that “Copy-Cat” and that wig-wearing, spaghetti serving, “Tommy Faker”?
I’ll bet you’ve never seen the REAL Kiss perform! Maybe you NEED some Kool-Aid!

There IS such a thing as someone who is called a REALIST.

A realist acknowledges that the original 4 will be no more, in all likelihood. An apologist lives in a fantasy world & believes what they WANT to believe, blinded to reality.

The original 4 DID reunite years ago but THAT ship has already sailed. I wouldn’t waste my time looking for it. Would I myself want the original band? Sure I would! But I’m also realistic enough to realize that at THIS point, it ain’t happening. And besides, if the band is as tight now as they seem to be, give us some new material. It sure beats Greatest Kiss Hits Vol. 100!

To sum it up, Ace & Peter returning to KISS now is about as likely as Brandon ‘BJ’ Routhman returning to Superman, er- I mean, SINGERMAN!

If you read a little further down the posts Jareb, you will see I cant stand this incarnation of KISS. I am hardly cheering them on. What i am doing however, is making fun of your loyalty to a band that could give a shit about you, but will gladly take your cash. (Hence, the Kool-Aide comment)The first reunion was cool, but after that they were just goin through the motions, like robots on stage choreographed to hit every cue. Zero spontaneity! When you go back and watch the early days when they were hungry, they just ripped it up on stage. That was greatness.

Guys never, ever give up. When Kiss first started they were persecuted and ridiculed. They were egged when they walked down the streets in New York. Paul Stanley once said, “We knew who was on our side when we first started, our manager and us.” Gene Simmons once said, “One person counts, one person can make a difference.” Kiss was always the longshot, the poor man’s band. They beat all the odds. I was there when no one believed. I was there when I didn’t believe in myself, and had nothing to believe in at all. I was there when my everybody let me down. I was there when I didn’t care. I paid $6 to see 4 guys from New York who felt the same way. But the simple chords of Black Diamond changed my
life. The odds against this reunion may be astrononmical, but if anybody can beat it, Kiss will. Never give up the faith.

Holy Shit Jareb, do you say your prayers to Paul or Gene every night?

Paul AND Gene.

Way to own it dude.

I have seen KISS 14 times, and still the creatures tour was my fave. They were hungry again. Theyre old men now, do you really expect much. One last great studio album maybe?

Speaking of old, just how old is Paul now, 57? So here’s a guy who’s pushing 60 who INSISTS on ALWAYS being seen SHIRTLESS. As a matter of fact, why even have a costume if you’re Paul? He always strips down to just the tights anyway.

My point is that he’s no longer young so he’s also not as athletic looking as he used to be, & it shows.

Paul, I think it’s time to put the shirt on & KEEP it on!

Paul Stanley possesses the torso that shocked the world. The women want to see it, so do the men.

REASONS WHY KISS SHOULD DO THE REUNION:

1. It will jump-start the ratings on Family Jewels. The drama will equate to ratings, that will sell advertising, Gene should keep all the profits.

2. It will help sell Paul’s paintings, and give “Live To Win” the recognition it deserves. Paul should keep all the profits.

3. It will position the original Kiss to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the Spring – an award overdue.

4. It will raise tickets prices to a respectable level – every show will sell out.

5. The fans demand it.

6. IT WILL KICK ASS!

Kim you forgot what it will do for the people of Detroit Rock City. They have fallen on very hard times. They need a reunited Kiss to lift their spirits. What a DVD a show at Tiger Stadium would make!

WHY do we need a reunion when we have Gene (the mouth) & Paul (the torso)? I mean, what more do ya need?

ACE THE GUITAR PLAYER, AND PETER THE DRUMMER!

Not in this timeline, buddy!

Anything’s possible from a guy who plays beach volleyball in a leather jacket and blue jeans.

Of special interest to you apologists out there:

Paul talks like the new album will be completed this week.

I read online elsewhere that the guy who did the cover art for ROCK AND ROLL OVER is doing the cover art for this new album.

Paul said it’ll knock your socks off!

Read ‘em & weep?

If that’s true, hopefully it will be shelved and become Carnival Of Souls 2. Come on Paul, bring in the real guys and do it right – there’s just too much money to be made and too many fans to please!

But Jim, CARNIVAL OF SOULS is a GREAT album; even BASS agrees with that!

Ya know, COS had Eric Singer & Bruce Kulick, besides Gene & Paul. It really has a HEAVY sound & has some great tunes on it!

Unfortunately it DIDN’T have good timing. It wasn’t released when it should’ve been due to your ‘glorious reunion’ back in the day. It was supposed to have had some great cover art, like a flaming skull being choked or something. However, due to the reunion, it FINALLY got released in 1997 I believe & was treated as an afterthought. So a great album got ‘lost in the shuffle’ due to your ‘reunion’. And it was also released with a crappy cover instead of the cover we SHOULD’VE gotten!

But HEY! YOU got Psycho Circus! While it’s not a totally bad album, it’s not what it could’ve been either. I myself like the first 4 songs; the rest of the album is ‘OK’. However, Peter was NOT allowed to record any of his OWN songs & instead sang a song written by Paul. Ace has one song all to himself, & WHAT a song it IS! Of course, Ace usually can come through. Nevertheless, it’s said that much of the album is not even a united effort, i.e., the whole band rarely even plays together on the ENTIRE ALBUM! It’s said that Tommy Thayer does most of the parts that Ace SHOULD’VE done! Yet the band gave the ‘facade’ of being ‘reunited’.

You can say what you want about this new KISS LP, but it does appear to be a REAL united effort on the part of ALL involved, & yes, that DOES include Tommy & Eric! As a matter of fact, Paul also said that both of them are singing lead!

SHELVE the first REAL KISS LP in MANY years for a fantasy?

GIVE…..ME…..A…..BREA K!!!!!

This is a critical time in Kisstory. The country is ripe and ready for the “second coming” of a reunited Kiss. Although later Kiss albums contain some good music, there’s not a fan on this planet that doesn’t think the original Kiss is not the best Kiss. If this reunion takes place, there will still be plenty of time for Gene and Paul to experiment with other musicians.
I’ll agree with you on the album cover art, Paul Stanley has done so many outstanding paintings, why can’t he take it upon himself to do the cover art on the new album? If you listen to and compare the the u-tubes of Kiss with Ace and Peter, and Tommy and Eric, you have to admit Ace and Peter are better. Simply put, Ace Frehley is one of the greatest guitar players in the world. Peter Criss has a unique sound and rythym that cannot be duplicated. Listen carefully and you will notice that Peter never, ever plays one unnecessary note, every stike is carefully placed, he never plays any more or less than is needed. The same goes for Ace. It’s that deliberation, pecision, and articulation that made Kiss rise to the top. You may not have realized that, but you’ve always heard it. The origial Kiss was a rare combination of musicians. Without the chance meeting of these four guys, Gene and Paul would only have gotten as far as The New York Dolls.

Jim, you’re once again MISSING the point!

Would I myself want the ORIGINAL line-up? SURE I would! And in a PERFECT world we might even get it. However, THAT ship has now sailed. There’s obviously just TOO much ‘behind-the-scenes’ turmoil going on for these four to ever REALLY work together again as wanted.

I’d say it’s better at THIS point to just have some NEW material that’s also FOCUSED. Certainly we’ll get a superior product? And we won’t be romanticizing either.

Dude, the odds of Kiss ever happening in the first place were astronomical. No one believed in them but themselves. Kiss was never about playing the odds, but beating them. Never, ever give up hope. If you have actually listened to “Live To Win” you’d know that. Paul Stanley grew up the son of furniture store owners, but he had the guts to take the risks. This tour is going to be the biggest thing ever, because it will be for the people who believe it can happen, and the millions who will follow!

IF you want to keep deluding yourself & deceiving yourself, be my guest! You can’t convince SOME people of anything!

Take the mockery of a Superman film called Superman Returns, which has come to be known on the Internet as ‘Singerman’, thus named after its’ director, Bryan Singer. It did ’so-so’ at the box office but that’s not entirely the point.

The point is, that to a true Superman fan, whether of the comics and/or films, it was a TRAVESTY. True fans are calling for the film franchise to get a ‘REBOOT’. However, There’s a very VOCAL MINORITY online who roar VERY loud in their SUPPORT for Singerman. They cry, “Bring back Brandon Routh (the actor); bring back Singer (the director).”

The thing is, though, is that evidence points to the fact that THAT team WILL NOT be back. Truthfully at THIS point, WB doesn’t know WHAT to do with the franchise, but the bottom line is, Singer AND Routh seem to be out of the picture.

Now, what does this have to do with KISS, you say? Well, these ‘apologists’, in SPITE of the evidence, are CONVINCED that this team will be back & that the ’sequel is just around the corner’.

My point? You can’t tell these people ANYTHING contrary to their belief. It’s like, they ARE coming back, & that’s it, end of story, so they believe what they WANT to believe.

I’m now seeing this phenomenon with KISS. You guys are CONVINCED Ace & Peter are coming back & EVRYTHING is gonna be hunky-dory. Well, hate to burst your bubble, but it AIN’T happening.

HEY! I’ve got an idea. Why don’t you e-mail Gene either on his site or the KISS site & ASK HIM if Ace & Peter are coming back? IF he gives a response, I’m sure he’ll refute what you say. I mean, if you listen to the KISS commentary on the Kissology DVDs, it’s apparent that Ace & Peter HAD their chance & apparently they BLEW it!

I have to agree with non amos on most of his comments (except I thought psycho circus was shit) Ace and Peter are’nt coming back. Why would they record with Tommy, and Eric and then tour as the original four? They will be touring in support of the new album. The new album with the NEW members. I believe they are capable of delivering a great album, I’m not holding my breath, but it is possible. Think about it, the last great album the original four recorded was “Love Gun.” That was over thirty years ago,and many claim they brought in other guitarist, and drummers back then as well. So, I think it’s time to give up on that dream. The dynamics of the band will never be recaptured, It’s paul and genes baby now, and everyone else is just hired help, and that would include Ace, and Peter.

Exactly. Superman Returns really blew chunks and everybody knows it. Why? They tried to COPY the Christopher Reeve masterpiece. It looked like a cheap imitation. And do you know who hosted the TV special to promote it? None other than Gene Simmons himself! Once the word got out on the streets that it sucked, it ultimately did bad at the box office. Surely Gene has learned his lesson about marketing shoddy product. Kiss got away with selling the Rock The Nation DVD cause they made the box cover look like the real guys, and didn’t put the names on the box, but you can only do that once! People thought they were getting Reeve’s quality, but they’ll never fall for Routh again. Fans have gotten hip to Singer and Thayer, if Kiss books big arenas, it will be a financial disaster for them, no matter what they save by cutting out Ace and Peter.

And yes, Ace and Peter have made some mistakes in the past, but they have learned too. If Peter Criss had done 10% of the drugs he’s been accused of doing he damn sure wouldn’t have made it to 64 – his days of “Mainline” are long since over.

The magic of KISS in the glory days was that they were constantly re-inventing themselves. With every new album and tour they had new costumes and brought out a new stage set to go with their(Good) new songs They even continued this somewhat through the eighties. Now they’re just re-hashing all the old costumes and stage designs, with some obvious updates with the big screens. If you’ve seen them on the first reunion tour, theres really nothing new to see. Now that would be something to give the fans, a great new album, with a whole new look, and a crazy new, over the top stage show that just blows people away.

Jim, I believe you’re right about ONE thing. I haven’t thought about it in some time but now that you mention it, I DO remember Gene being on that program. I believe you’re talking about THE AMAZING STORY OF SUPERMAN, which was a documentary that came out around the time of Singerman in the theaters. I have it on DVD; I’ll just have to dig it out. But don’t forget, Gene IS a BIG comics fan, ever since the 60’s. Even to this day, comics, sci-fi, horror, & films in general, even ANCIENT films, are to his liking. So in a way it’s no surprise that he’d be a guest on that DVD. Hey, Paul was even at the premier of the film! I’m not sure if Gene was or not. However, I’m sure they were in support just like celebs ALWAYS do for everything else. They probably didn’t realize WHAT they were in store for at the time.

In reference to Bass’ comments on other musicians being used even back in the day, it’s true! As EARLY as DESTROYER, Ace was already missing recording sessions! As a matter of fact, it’s been reported that on the song ‘Sweet Pain’, it’s not even Ace doing the lead: it’s Dick Wagner, who was Alice Cooper’s guitarrist at the time, & that’s no doubt because Bob Ezrin was producing. He was to Alice like Eddie Kramer was to Kiss. Anyway, Ace has even acknowledged that he didn’t play on that tune.

Now I don’t have a complete chronological order of what may or may not have transpired, but let’s look at post-Love Gun. In NO TIME we were getting the 4 SOLO LPs, which really was the band dissolving even then; they just wouldn’t publicly acknowledge it. The Peter played on ONE SONG on Dynasty, the one he wrote! Anton Fig played the rest of the LP, & ALL of Unmasked as Peter had quit the band by then, although it wasn’t immediately made known.

Interestingly, at THIS time period, Ace seemed to be coming into his own. More of HIS songs appeared on Dynasty AND Unmasked than the usual ONE tune we were used to getting. However, even HE didn’t like what Paul & Gene were doing with THE ELDER & he eventually left as well.

I say all of this to make this point. I’m not really sure that Ace & Peter were REALLY ready for the BIG-TIME like they should’ve been. Notice that as EARLY as DESTROYER Ace was ALREADY skipping out when there was work to be done.

Here were 4 guys who were ready & willing to sacrifice to hit the big-time. They ALL worked to achieve this dream. They were ALL hungry & it showed in their live performances. As a matter of fact, their live performance was so good it gained them notoriety. They started headlining bands that they previously OPENED for! It resulted in KISS ALIVE! They TRULY made it!

But back to DESTROYER, the follow-up LP. The dream was ALREADY deteriorating! It continued to spiral downward, in SPITE of any hits they had.

Obviously Gene & Paul handled success BETTER than Ace & Peter did. Success made Ace & Peter think they could make it on their own, & I think we ALL know how THAT worked out! They’d have been better off to have just stayed in the band to begin with.

Well, it looks like Paul and Gene are going though with it, they’ve just announced some U.S. dates. The only thing Ace and Peter can do now is to hire two Gene and Paul tribute guys, put on their make-up and tour as Kiss also. They may have to change the name – I suggest “SpaceCat” – but it would be just as valid as Paul and Gene’s group; after all, 50% of Kiss is 50% of Kiss!

Awesome idea Jim! There are so many great Kiss Tribute bands. Most of them have websites! Peter and Ace can have their pick of the litter of Genes and Pauls. “Kissmania” has a great Paul, but what the hell, why not audition them all? Since Gene and Paul were mostly actors, and Ace and Peter were the MUSIC of Kiss, this swapping out spare parts game should be even easier the other way around. Ace has tons of great equipment, and Peter has the management skills, what true Kiss fans wouldn’t go to see it!
Fight fire with fire! I’m getting my ticket as soon as they announce the dates.
HAVING THAYER SING SHOCK ME WAS RUBBING SALT INTO THE WOUNDS.

Sorry SS, but Ace and Peter are hardly the music of KISS. Don’t get me wrong, I hate this version of KISS as much as the next guy, but most of KISS’ classics are Paul and Genes. While i think Ace’s presence is far more important than Peters. The only song I liked by Peter was “Hard Luck Woman” and that was paul’s song. I always thought Eric Carr was a better fit. Historically Ace and Peter have been colossal fuck up’s and there is no way they could pull off a tour of the same magnitude as KISS.
I think they should have every right to,(Although legally i think they have zero rights) and i would love to see them rub it in Paul and Gene’s face, but lets get real, it aint gonna happen. Ace will release his new solo album later this year, and MAYBE sell a cuople hundred thousand units, and he’ll probably tour small theaters, and large clubs, and pretty much be a flop, and that’s it.

Ace and Peter HAVE the right to use THEIR make-up and play Kiss songs. Ace and Peter are EQUALLY
responsible for the great Kiss songs. The later Kiss material is VOMIT, and you know it. Yeah, it would probably be clubs, but so what, the REAL Kiss fans would all be there. They wouldn’t be able to turn Ace down, and if you have ever been to an Ace concert, you know he sounds more like Kiss than Gene and Paul do. Carr is better than Peter? Where is Carr now! Greatness endures. Peter is the SENIOR member of Kiss – it’s His group! I only have one question for you Bass – if it happened – would you be there? There are a lot of great Gene and Paul clones out there, with Ace and Peter it would be HOTTER THAN HELL!

SS, what have YOU been smoking?!

First of all, Eric Carr is DEAD; how about a little respect, huh?! He couldn’t help that, but Bass is correct; Carr WAS a better fit for KISS because he LIKED THE SAME KIND OF MUSIC! His tastes were similar to Paul’s & Gene’s. You know, Led Zeppelin & all of that. Peter Criss, OTOH, had HIS heart in, take your pick: jazz, big-band, swing, ultra-ultra ballads, & if Peter even LIKED rock, it was no doubt the OLD stuff, i.e., non-Metal. Oldies in other words. I’m aware that Peter claimed to like the Who & David Bowie but you couldn’t tell it in HIS OWN music!

Did you hear Peter’s last album he came out with a couple of years ago? Now, my wife DOESN’T like hard rock or anything, but even SHE gave me strange looks when I played his CD. Apparently it was too mellow even for HER!

If you ask me, Peter wasn’t ‘true’ to HIMSELF when he joined KISS. “Drummer willing to do anything to MAKE it.” Or so the ad went that Gene & Paul responded to in Rolling Stone magazine. Here’s what I think. Peter was REALLY a jazz-type musician, as well as the other styles, but he wanted to hit the big-time, so he ‘denied’ himself in a way & joined the ‘hard rock’ band that came to be called KISS. However, he was REALLY the jazz musician, trapped in a rocker’s situation.

When KISS hit it big with BETH, it went to his head. Then came HARD LUCK WOMAN. He thought HE could be a star on his own merit, but here’s the problem. KISS fans, by nature, are into hard rock & heavy metal oriented music. They don’t really want all the crappy ballads & jazz beats, Lawrence Welk or whatever. They want KISS, Aerosmith, AC/DC, etc., etc. Or even heavier. Now don’t get me wrong. I liked the hits Peter had with KISS. I also liked his heavier songs, such as BABY DRIVER & HOOLIGAN, but I remember reading how the former was really only heavy because of Paul & Gene; Peter wanted it to have a more ’soul’ feel to it.

See what I mean? Peter’s musical style really isn’t compatible with KISS, unless it’s altered, that is. When the 4 SOLO LPs were released, Peter’s was the LEAST popular. Wonder why? But Ace’s was the MOST popular. AND the heaviest! But Paul’s was the most ‘KISS-like’ as far as being like a regular KISS LP.

Oh, & SS, another thing. IF I’m not mistaken, Peter & Ace both sold their make-up BACK to Paul & GENE; that’s why they can put Tommy & Eric in it & there’s nothing Ace & Peter can do about it.

Did they seel their birthright, so to speak? You tell me. But they didn’t go into it blindly either.

Oh, & KISS had GREAT music post-them! Just listen to CREATURES OF THE NIGHT & LICK IT UP!

Amos,

Your letter is very good, and you certainly make your points, but I think you’re making a lot of assumptions concerning how PETER really thinks! Obviously Peter likes a wide variety of music, but when it’s time to ROCK nobody can do it as well as Peter. The greatest rockers came out of different musical roots. Page came out of blues, Howe came out of classical, Hendrix came out of the Air Force(S.S.B). The guys who grow up on metal, and play metal; sound unoriginal, derivative, and boring.
Bonham and Jones grew up on Motown, and when they played metal, it had soul. Kiss sounds cold and mechanical without the warm but ass kicking drumming of Peter.

What HAPPENED TODAY should send a loud and clear message to Gene and Paul: The opportunity to do one last reunion will not last much longer. Paul could have a heart attack, Ace could succumb to old habits, Gene could have a freak accident, and yes, Peter will soon be too old to do it. Look guys what HAPPENED TODAY says it all: It’s Not Forever! Put away the bad blood, and get back together soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simon, what are you talking about, what happened today? How about filling us in? How about a link? I haven’t heard anything. That is, unless you’re talking about Michael Jackson, which I already know about. However, IF it’s KISS-related, fill us in.

Amos,

So your TV doesn’t work? Get it fixed. Let’s clarify this: YOU PREFER TOMMY AND ERIC TO PETER AND ACE. Nuff said.

No I DIDN’T say that! But like I said, one has to be a REALIST & not DECEIVE oneself. It’ll save yourself a LOT of disappointment.

And there’s nothing wrong with my TV. Michael Jackson is all over the news but I’ve not seen anything KISS-related on the news at all. Unless THAT’S what you were inferring? But how about just answering the question?

Amos that’s the whole point isn’t it? Since when has Kiss been about realism? Gene Simmons even admits Kiss is selling “escapism”.
If “fans” like you don’t believe the reunion can happen, it won’t.
You weren’t there at the begining in 1974 when Kiss was opening for Blue Oyster Cult. Everybody just went, “What the F*&# IS THIS?!!”
Paul Stanley came running out with his bare hairy chest, Flying
V held with both arms high above his head. Gene Simmons’ bass groweled with an aggressive, bombastic, nasty tone that shook the floor and walls. Ace Frehley launched deafening, searing, rapid fire treble attacks (back then there were no bullshit laws to regulate volume), and Peter Criss was the mysterious and scary catman, beating our heads into submission. There was so much smoke in the air it was impossible for anyone there not to be stoned, including Simmons himself! (Back then there were no cops bothering the closely packed fans, and huge cigars were openly passed.) You see I feel sorry for you Amos because you will never know what a REAL Kiss concert was all about. It was about groups of young long haired dudes who could barely get from their cars to the inside of the arena, cops who were cool, half naked jaw-droppingly provocative well-endowed babes, and blasphemously deafening ass- kicking rock and roll.
But now it’s all gone – now it’s shit. Reserved seats, high ticket prices, five cops to every person with flashlights in their faces, small shitty PA systems, prudish middle-aged mothers with their kids, and worst of all, Gene Simmons with his anti-drug campaign. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse, now we got FAKE guys up there. I feel sorry for you Amos cause you’ll never know how great it could be.

SS, You basically admitted that we’ll never get the KISS of 74 again, and I couldnt agree more. Even if Ace and Peter rejoined, you wouldnt get that. Again, they’re old men now, just goin through the motions. I’m not sure how you figure KISS was Peter’s band, that dude was in control of nothing. Hell, Gene had to literally hold his hand to get him on and off the stage.
No, I wouldnt go see Ace and Peter with fill ins for Gene and Paul. I can go see that at local club for $10.00 and it would be just as good. I have seen every version, (except this half a tribute band we got now) of KISS live, from 1976 on, and strangely enough 1982 Creatures tour was my favorite concert ever. They tore it up, just balls out ripped it apart. They were loud and tight. The best i’ve ever heard them.
Eric Carr was a far superior drummer live than Peter Criss, and he sang “Black Diamond” just as well. Oh, and yes SS, I have seen Ace solo live, Ace was cool, but the rest of his band just stood around looking bored.
Okay SS, what if this new album is great, will you own it?

Bass, wouldnt and couldnt are wouldn’t and couldn’t, the apostrophe takes the place of the o.
Look, if something is working for you, don’t change it, or go back to it. Kiss needs to return to what they were on the Alive! tour.
Don’t say it can’t happen, cause it CAN and WILL! Look, case in point, when Hilary Duff lost her long blonde hair and started playing all that disco stuff, her popularity dropped. So the word on the streets is she’s going back to the gorgeous long blonde hair and the tender sweet hard rock that made her a superstar in the first place: This summer tour should be massive cause she’s going back to what she does best.
When Kiss went disco they lost a lot of fans, when they took off their make-up they lost more, and when they lost Ace and Peter, it was all but over. The people want to see Kiss in their full glory, not the pathetic circus act it’s degenerated into.

More propaganda & self-delusions, huh, SS?

1) WHY would a KISS fan care about Hilary Duff’s MUSIC? The babe quotient maybe, but the MUSIC? Gimme a break!

2) KISS LOST fans by taking OFF the make-up?! I don’t THINK so! It actually made them MORE popular at the time! Even MTV finally embraced them! They also came out with a MONSTER of an LP called LICK IT UP. Remember THAT one? And Ace & Peter were nowhere in sight!

3) Actually KISS’ disco experiment was a success at the time as ‘I was Made For Loving You’ was a smash hit! Dynasty was also a big-selling LP. However, I will agree that KISS were starting to lose their identity & reality-check time, Ace & Peter were not INNOCENT either!

4) It was ALL OVER for KISS after Peter & Ace left?! Like I said, what have YOU been smoking?!

First of all SS, I didn’t know I was submitting an essay to my english comp professer, and secondly using Hillary Duff and her hair as an anlogy is just plain pathetic. However, you did not answer my question, as I adreesed all of yours. If KISS’ new album is great will you own it?Oh Yeah, once again, Peter sucks, and Eric Carr was the shit.

Amos get a copy of Hilary Duff’s “Girl Can Rock” DVD, and tell me it doesn’t kick more ass than Kissology vols. 2 and 3.. Kissology vol. 1 is GREAT stuff though!
Bass anlogy and adreesed are obviously typos, but professer is actually professor. As for buying the new Kiss CD, there would have to be some serious evidence of some great guitar playing, something that ceased to happen on Kiss records since Ace left. If it’s just the standard big repeated chorus thing again – I’ve already got enough frisbees.

Amos get a copy of Hilary Duff’s “Girl Can Rock” DVD, and tell me it doesn’t kick more ass than Kissology vol.2. Kissology vol.1 is GREAT stuff though!
Bass anlogy and adreesed are obviously typos, but professer is actually professor. As for buying the new Kiss CD, there would have to be some serious evidence of some great guitar playing, something that ceased to happen on Kiss records since Ace left. If it’s just the standard big repeated chorus thing again – I’ve already got enough frisbees.

SS, NO great guitar playing after Ace left?! You gotta be kidding me!

Vinnie Vincent was a great guitar player & could write songs WITH Paul & Gene, but as I explained earlier I don’t think he was very stable. An awesome talent but MORE self-destructive.

Some think that Bruce Kulick was boring but he’s actually a GREAT guitar player. Maybe he’s not in the same style as Ace but he’s NOT Ace, & he fit well for the non-makeup period. Another thing, he’s the ONLY KISS guitar player to NEVER wear the makeup! Not his OWN character, neither Ace’s either! However, he’s probably the MOST LOYAL guitar player KISS EVER had. 12 faithful years & I think he was as loyal as Eric Carr. It’s just a shame that Paul & Gene couldn’t get over themselves & see this!

Tommy Thayer is ALSO a GREAT guitar player although he does ‘ape’ Ace, but you gotta admit he has Ace’s leads down-pat! What I wanna see is what HE HIMSELF brings to the table on this NEW album, as he’s gonna have to do his OWN thing in that case.

SS, why don’t you just admit it? The ONLY version of KISS you like is the ORIGINAL one. Now, like I’ve said, I’d prefer THAT version in a perfect world, but it’s NOT a perfect world, & I CAN appreciate that Paul & Gene didn’t just let the band die due to the INSUBORDINATION of Peter & Ace. Besides, Paul & Gene wrote the BULK of KISS’ material anyway & Paul is lead vocalist & front man. Better to have something than nothing! Which WOULD’VE been the alternative!

Ya know, the Beatles were one of the all-time great bands but even THEY dissolved due to ‘not being able to get along’. A great band destroyed due to BS! I guess you could say that Paul & Gene WOULD NOT allow that in KISS’ case.

Amos why settle for anything but the best? Thayer might have “most” of the notes fairly close, but his intonation, his inflection, and fluidity are all wrong. In case it hasn’t occured to you yet, Ace Frehley isn’t simply a guitarist, he’s a genius.
Because of his street personality and his legendary substance issues, some people don’t realize this. Kiss has made some good music since Ace’s departure, but the real masterworks have Ace’s signature all over them. In every great group the members compliment each other, like a jigsaw puzzle: Where one is strong the other may be weak, but it somehow all fits together. Obviously Ace was never a great singer, but that wasn’t his job. Peter Criss was an all out hell-raiser and kept things from getting too serious. Watch a shirtless Criss go “crazy” on the drumkit during the B&W San Francisco concert on Kissology 1. Towards the end of the show his drumrolls are spectacular. NOBODY before or since has come close to his sound. Obviously he’s only thinking about one more tour before his retirement, but hey Buddy Rich drummed well into his 60’s. Do you know who Buddy Rich is Amos?

I have to agree with non amos, that Vinnie Vincent was a great guitarist. I loved Ace, and think he was the best fit, and helped shape KISS’ sound, but to think they can’t produce a solid album without him is just plain ignorant, given the fact that he wasn’t playing on many of their classics from the 70’s.
I think Thayer is a competent player, and based on Black N Blue’ first three albums, he’s a pretty decent songwriter. Now I’m not sure how much input he’ll have in the studio, or possibly his best work will end up on the cutting room floor, like they did with Vincent, and St. John.
Carnival of Souls redeemed Bruce. You can’t deny great guitar work, and great songwriting on that album.
KISS can not hinge their legacy solely on their stage show, their songs have to be relevant as well.
“Let’s put the X in sex,” and “Murder in high heels” does not get you into the rock n roll hall of fame.
Maybe SS, you could wear your Hillary Duff tee shirt to the Ace and Peter show. Now let’s not see her name on this thread again.

Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eddie Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Steve Vai, and even Prince are genius guitarists. Ace Frehley… not so much. He’s cool as shit, but hardly a genius.

Oh, I made a boo-boo. Mark St. John was a KISS guitar player who never wore the makeup either but I totally overlooked him, but can you blame me? He was only on ONE LP & then Bruce had to tour for him. If it hadn’t been for Bass’ comment I might have forgotten altogether.

And yes SS, I’ve heard of Buddy Rich but can’t particularly say I’ve been a fan. So sue me.

Bass, good paragraph breakdowns, you start a new paragaph with each new mini-subject. I like that. But to save space – and because I’m lazy – sometimes I only use one, forgive me. Song titles do belong in quotes, but each word in the title should be capitalized: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is a place and should be capitalized also. The reasons you are not fans of Buddy Rich (greatest drummer that ever lived) and Hilary Duff is that you haven’t seen their best work. Okay, Hilary is only 16 in “The Girl Can Rock”, but you’ve got to get past that. And if you only judge her by her latest work, I can see how you might not be a fan. But the point is that an artist may wander for a time and try out new things, but but they will always come back to what they do best.
That post original line-up Kiss stuff is shit, and you know it.
Ace Frehley has influenced more guitar players than almost any other guitar player in electric guitar history. When are you guys going to show proper respect? Tommy Thayer is a joke – a bad taste joke. It’s because you guys have given up on hope of the reunion that you’re dancing with compromise. I’m waiting for Paul Stanley to pull the plug on this awful nightmare and call up Ace and Peter.

Hey SS, Peter likes Gene Krupa. As he told Jay Leno one time, “Great stuff, man. Great stuff!”

Peter, after all, IS the heart AND soul of KISS (according to you). Emphasis on soul. AND jazz. AND big band. AND swing. AND lullaby ballads. AND 50’s oldies.

Yes, PAUL! By ALL means, FIRE those pretenders Singer & Thayer & call Peter & Ace up! Because PAUL, you KNOW that you & GENE just can’t cut it musically & that you NEED them desperately or you two will just be a couple of hacks!

While Buddy Rich was a great drummer, it is well documented by many musicians that played with him, he was a colossal asshole, with an enormous ego. Typical drummer, overexaggerates his importance in the band. Just keep the time Buddy, and shut the fuck up.

Typical? Like, say, Peter, huh?

Now c’mon, SS, you KNOW you want to counter-attack?

Now come on Bass, when you’re as great as Buddy Rich was, you DESERVE to have an ego like he had. He would get frustrated working with incompetent musicians. Great drummers make for great bands. Rush without Peart? Purple without Paice? The Stones without Watts? The Pistols without Paul Cook? They don’t just keep a beat, they’re the heart and soul of a group. Even Pat Metheney has said that the drummer is the true leader of a group. Look, Peter Criss got fucked. Okay? If Kiss comes to the States with those two buffoons, they’ll be pelted with wet spaghetti.

Ya know what SS? IF you’re a drummer & your name happens to be DON HENLEY or PHIL COLLINS, then maybe you’ve got room to talk. They had big hits both with their respective bands AND as solo artists, but I dare you to put PETER CRISS in the same category, at least as far as a solo artist anyway.

Look at Don Henley. Sure he was the drummer for the EAGLES, but he was also a lead vocalist AND a major songwriter for the band. In a way, he was indispensible.

Look at Phil Collins. Same deal with GENESIS.

Now, Don Henley may’ve gone solo for a while, like when the Eagles were inactive, but if you’ll notice, the Eagles got back together & put out a BIG hit album. So in a sense he didn’t abandon his band.

The thing with Phil Collins is, he seemed to juggle both. Once he started the solo gig, he continued it, putting out hit after hit. However, here & there you’d ALSO here his voice on the LATEST HIT from Genesis. THEN back to his solo gig. So he didn’t abandon HIS band!

For a lesser example but still notable is Roger Taylor of Queen. Back in the day, he released a few solo LPs. However, he never ONCE abandoned Queen! I guess he attempted to do both.

Not so with Peter Criss! It’s like once Peter thought that KISS revolved around HIMSELF, no doubt due to the hits that he had with them, he thought he could make it on his own! Just listen to him talk sometimes on various DVDs & whatever. He had to make it on his own BEFORE he got old! He didn’t want to regret never knowing if he could or not, ad nauseum. He had ALL THESE TUNES, & Gene & Paul wouldn’t let him use them! So the solution is to ABANDON KISS, but of course still get paid royalties (of course).

I think we ALL know that Peter’s solo career bombed! Sure, he had a few good tunes. The BEST LP he released was the FIRST one post-KISS called OUT OF CONTROL. THAT LP is actually pretty good. Some of his OTHER material may also be OK, BUT……….was it really worth leaving KISS over? Couldn’t he have AT LEAST done like Roger Taylor, i.e., here & there release some solo material AROUND what KISS was doing, but still be there for THE BAND when THEY needed him?!

I guess NOT!

Oh, & to be fair to Gene & Paul, Paul stated that a KISS album should have the BEST songs, NOT just an equal number from each memeber whether they are good or not. Paul said that the FANS deserve the BEST songs, NOT ’sub-par’ material. But of course SS I KNOW you have an explanation for THAT also.

Amos, You don’t have to sell me Henley. He is a RARE example of someone who is BETTER solo than with a group. “Building” is a front-to-backer. Every song is great. The Eagles; however, put me to sleep. As for Collins, he insulted Zeppelin at Live Aid, use any bad word you can think of to describe ALL of his work. Okay, so Peter’s new album is shockingly bad. He’s still one of the world’s greatest drummers. Which brings me to my point once again: Nobody can do it all, nobody can be great at everything. Case in point, nobody does Blonde better than Hilary Duff. Madonna tried it, and the results were hideous; she made it on her outstanding dancing skills. Surprise, surprise, Kiss made it on their MUSIC! You can just see the cobwebs on the “Kiss-Korner” in the men’s clothing section at Walmart now. Bass asked me if I would buy it? When all that Shit is marked down to 25 cents in the bargain bin, maybe. But let me ask you guys a question: “If Duff get’s her long blonde hair back, and ROCKS-OUT on her upcoming TOUR, will YOU be there????!!!!!!

SS, you may want to check out the latest related article about this, about KISS being days from finishing the album & the Wal Mart deal in the works. Scroll down a little & you’ll see what I posted about that.

Rather than repeat all that, let me just add that I don’t know that a Wal Mart exclusive is really a good idea for KISS. One point I WILL reiterate is that I think an album should be available EVERYWHERE! NOT just Walmart. OR Best Buy.

One reason is this, it’s a calculated risk, a gamble if you will. AC/DC obviously succeeded; so did the Eagles. Can KISS succeed on just being limited to Wal Mart? I’m not so sure!

You see, I really didn’t know if the Eagles would succeed, but I went & bought the CD & it was actually fairly good. My wife basically swiped it from me! The band also hadn’t released NEW material in some time, certainly not an ENTIRE album, but I’d also guess that their success in the DVD market probably helped them there as well.

Then there’s AC/DC. I think I was even MORE nervous about THEIR deal! Now don’t get me wrong, AC/DC has been one of my favorite bands since the late 70’s. However, in recent years I was not quite satisfied with the NEWER material they put out, at least some of it. Nevertheless, the band by then had reached iconic status, even if they did put out concert DVD after concert DVD with the same songs. Even their back catalog continued to sell, & it’s even possible that they do well in merchandising, probably even the clothing sold at Wal Mart.

Now their newest album BLACK ICE was a success at Wal Mart & is like double platinum, but I see a LOT of CDs at ANY Wal Mart I visit! Over-stocked perhaps? Another thing. The album is OK; some songs are better than others, but in some cases, some of the material feels like ‘filler’. Some critics have said that it’s about 5 songs too long. I understand where they’re coming from. BACK IN BLACK is their best LP EVER in MY opinion & it’s a ‘front-to-backer’ as you say. It’s also VERY METAL sounding compared to earlier material, & it has 10 songs. Their new CD should’ve followed that formula. Leave the filler out & concentrate on the BEST material. Also, I feel like it should’ve been AS HEAVY as BACK IN BLACK, & it’s NOT! I also didn’t know if their ‘gamble’ would pay off.

Now what does this have to do with KISS you say? It’s this: everyone doesn’t LIKE KISS! I know from experience. I was in grade school when I first heard KISS & bought their records. They had LOTS of fans, right? But they also had LOTS of non-fans, some who literally DESPISED them & everything they stood for!

I was in school, I know. You had a few people here & there who professed to be fans, but MOST students reacted like there was something wrong with you for liking them. It’s like YOU were the freakshow just like THEY were. And when KISS declined in popularity, it’s like the ‘vocal ones’ came out of the woodwork. Sure, they sold millions of records even back then, but they seemed to have an EQUAL number of enemies! After all, they were KNIGHTS IN SATAN’S SERVICE. Remember THAT one?

Now I’m aware that for SOME reason, KISS recently have had a RESURGENCE in merchandise, popularity, DVDs & all that. There now seem to be people actually ACCEPTING KISS! Certainly there will even be a big stir over the new LP.

But MY concern is this. Even in spite of a renewed popularity & vigor, will it be ENOUGH to succeed simply on Wal Mart? I’m not so sure. Personally I hope the album really DOES knock our socks off! IF it does it’ll certainly get good word-of-mouth, but I believe it should be available everywhere!

The bottom line is that KISS are taking their OWN gamble. Will it pay off? I HOPE so! But I fear that if it doesn’t, they’ll ONCE AGAIN be ridiculed & that their ‘KISS Korner’ could become the ‘butt’ of jokes. I’d really hate to see THAT happen!

Amos my dear friend, you write well, but know nothing about business, or music. AC/DC sux. Kiss takes no risk, Walmart does. If they buy that shit, they’re stuck with it, expect reunionists to rebel. But let’s talk about where the REAL money is. Provable only by California PUBLIC RECORD, and let me emphasize that this is JUST A THEORY: I believe that the bulk of the Kiss fortune is indeed in the possession of Gene’s mother. Gene only trusts two people in this world: himself and his mother. By keeping the Kiss fortune in his mother’s trust, nobody can touch it; that’s why he’s not married. But when his beloved mother passes, he must take control of the money; any woman living under his roof is entitled to 50% of the “appreciation” of his estate, or any profits he makes SINCE she moved in. At that point, it would make no sense not to marry Shannon, because any woman who moves in with him can do the same. But at least Gene can safeguard the first billion. He will eventually be forced to marry her, because she holds an intangible he is unaware of: How much he really loves her. If she leaves, he will be forced into a revolving door of cold, temporary girlfriends, which don’t satisfy the heart. Shannon is tough, and won’t agree to any prenuptial shit, and Simmons knows those can be picked apart in court. But in Gene’s defense, Linda Hogan ruined it for everybody. If only Ace and Peter had been as smart as Gene and Shannon. But the true solution to this and ALL dilemmas is simple: DO THE REUNION FUCKER!
Ace and Peter are willing to talk, of course they deserve less, but not THAT much less. Work it out. Those who bought tickets for the scab band will be DELIGHTED to get the REAL KISS in its place. Postpone the dates if necessary. Kiss is risking MAJOR EMBARRASSMENT going forward with this album and tour.

SS, I don’t know ANYTHING about music & you’re still harping on the ‘reunion’ dream? On top of that is your ‘conspiracy theory’ about the KISS fortune.

And I’ve got a BRIDGE that you might be interested in buying?

Amos, I suppose it wasn’t fair to say you know “nothing” about music. You’re entitled to your opinion. It was a careless exaggeration. Sorry. However, Gene “protecting” himself is not a “conspiracy” as you call it; obviously you’ve never been through a divorce. And because the REUNION makes sound business sense, and would be good for everybody; I believe it WILL happen, the sooner the better. Don’t forget Ace’s Ace in the hole – a “KISS AND TELL” book that will desecrate Simmons and Stanleys’ public image should it be published. I don’t think Gene will take that chance, and will treat it as a bargaining chip in the final negotiations. But what is REALLY important here is what hairstyle AND song selection Hilary Duff chooses for her upcoming tour. Currently, her hair is looking great, long and blonde; but I miss the bangs, they’re better for her with her high hairline. She needs to add a lot more songs from her old show, and drop some of that spaced-out new stuff she’s been doing. Amos, we are now living in the age of the female lead vocalist: Kelly Clarkson is the greatest rock star on the planet today, all four of her album are incredible; with #2 & #3 being phenomenal. If her tour is coming near you, don’t miss it – you’ll be blown away! And NEVER give up hope of the Kiss reunion. Paul Stanley has taught us never to quit! Live To Win!

Hilary Duff?! Kelly Clarkson?! In the same breath as KISS?!

I know. How about BARRY MANILOW?!

Now, now, now, Amos. Music is music, and talent is talent, regardless of its genre. If you have actually “listened” to Clarkson, you’d know how much ass she kix. Duff has lost her way in recent years, but if she goes back to straight-ahead rock, she’s fantastic at what she does.
As for Barely Man-enough, he still has more balls than the current Kiss line-up. We need to hear from Bass.

Ya know, SS, I saw a combination of albums back in the late 70’s that maybe didn’t strike me as odd then but in hindsight it does. I was a kid myself then & remember being at a relative’s house due to a funeral. Anyway, I remember there being 2 or 3 KISS LPs, I believe Alive & Destroyer at least.

What’s so odd about that, you say? Well, it was the REST of their record collection that NOW seems odd as ‘companions’ to KISS. They DEFINITELY had Elvis, but from memory I also seem to recall Barry Manilow, & possibly Shaun Cassidy or Bay City Rollers or KC & the Sunshine Band or other such music.

Now I’m NOT saying a person can’t own some soft rock; I do myself. BUT…..in hindsight KISS stuck out like a sore thumb! The ONLY hard rock band present! It would’ve made MORE sense if their collection had either been ALL hard or ALL soft, but to have basically a ‘teeny-bopper’ set of music alongside KISS Alive & Destroyer seems a little ridiculous.

I mean, IF there had been some MORE classic rock, it would’ve made more sense. Maybe some Aerosmith. Maybe some Zeppelin. Maybe some Pink Floyd. Maybe some Stones, etc. THAT would’ve been like a REALLY diversified record collection, some soft rock & some hard rock.

What that ACTUAL collection tells me now is that they were probably really the Barry Manilow-type of music fan & probably just jumped on the ‘KISS bandwagon’ due to all the hype at that time & probably due to the success of BETH & ROCK AND ROLL ALL NITE.

In other words, they probably weren’t TRUE KISS FANS. The soft stuff was probably REALLY them & when the ‘novelty’ of KISS wore off, they probably lost all interest.

KISS definitely DON’T need to REPEAT that THIS time around! TOO many ’so-called’ fans jumped on the bandwagon back in the day, only to later get rid of ALL their KISS albums & forever turn their backs on them.

In other words, not TRUE fans!

Amos, Do you eat the SAME thing for dinner every night? Variety is the spice of life, isn’t it. It is QUALITY that really matters. The people who RUN the music industry realize this. I recently saw David Cassidy perform three shows in a row, and he was fantastic. He kicked butt. Do you think he’s is a wimp? Do you think he’s naive? Do you think he’s a goodie-goodie? That guy has had more pussy and knows more about hard drugs than all the metal heads in L.A. combined. Just because he chooses to perform a more pleasant sounding music doesn’t mean he’s not cool.
I love hard acid rock – provided it is WELL DONE. Black Sabbath are legends because their first six albums were so expertly crafted. When Kiss were making great albums – like the first four – people started paying attention because the MUSIC and the SHOW was so good. When they started putting out shit, their popularity started to fall: “Unmasked”, “Animalize”, “Asylum”, “Revenge”?? Gimme A Break!
Those albums sound like they were MADE in 45 minutes! But if you really NEED the “Bad Ass” thing, read Albert Goldman’s “Elvis”: A 14 year old wife, shooting heroin, carrying seven guns where ever he went; did he really need distorted guitars to PROVE that he was the King Of Evil? That’s why it’s so sad to see “The Texas Twins,” Clarkson and Duff, getting ugly tattoos just to PROVE that they’re cool. Now I know that you “prefer” to watch and listen to men sing – and that’s perfectly alright – but don’t be “afraid” to enjoy your emotions and the lighter side of life. Let your hang-ups and insecurities go. Take off the rock and roll combat fatigues and brush off the chip on the shoulder. Give in, and Grow up. DARE to enjoy the “emotional experience” that is Kelly Clarkson.

Just one response right now SS:

BWA-A-HA-A-HA-A-HA-A-HA -A-HAH!

It is my opinion that Miley Cirus is so much better than Hillary Duff. If you watched the “Hannah Montanna” movie and heard the Miley song, “The Climb” it should be clear to you too, Mr. SS. I really liked kiss alot back in the seventies and eighties, but now I think they should just take off the stupid makeup and just rock out.

Hanna Montanna is a “cheap copy” of Lizzy. Miley AIN’T as pretty as Hilary. Get a copy of “The Girl Can Rock.” But I will give Miley a closer look and listen, thanks. But it’s Clarkson that can REALLY SING! Gene’s daugter Sophie is absolutely adorable. How could such a hideous monster have made such beautiful girl? Too bad he never got her singing lessons, she may have had a career. Likewise, Nick belongs in the NBA, too bad Gene didn’t get him basketball lessons. But what’s really important now is the REUNION. When are “The Flab Four”(sorry Paul) going to get back together? This “Counterfeit Kiss,” it’s bringing everybody down.

The real Kiss fans the Kiss Army, and Kiss don’t give a damn about critics or naysayers. Its about beliveing in yourself, and having a good time, its guitars and stage shows, its success and longevity. Say what you want, we don’t care. Kiss rocks and we love them for what they offer to the world.

I cant wait for the new CD to come out. As long as Paul, and Gene are making new music, this Kiss fan will be happy. It’s been too long, and it’s gonna be excellent, and that will shut everyone up. HAH!

Kiss is Gene, Paul, Peter, and Ace.

KISS is Gene, Paul, Eric & Tommy.

KISS WAS Gene, Paul, Peter & Ace.

KISS was also Gene, Paul, Eric Carr & Ace.

KISS was also Gene, Paul, Eric Carr & Vinnie.

KISS was also Gene, Paul, Eric Carr & Mark.

KISS was also Gene, Paul, Eric Carr & Bruce.

KISS was also Gene, Paul, Eric Singer & Bruce.

KISS IS Gene & Paul.

There you go again Amos, living in the present when you should be living in the past! Kiss without Ace Frehley is like Deep Purple without Ritchie Blackmore. Look at all the crap they’ve pumped out since he left! All the excitement is gone! This reunion is important to Peter to set-up his retirement! And while erroneous legend has it that Peter lives in a cardboard box, and eats out of bean cans; the truth is he’s down to less than a lousy mil – try to live on that man! Kiss NEEDS to take care of its own, not to mention the FANS who desperately want to see the reunion – the REAL Kiss go at it one more time! You’re in DENIAL Amos, almost as badly as Randy Travis. By surrounding himself with gorgeous babes, Randy is continually trying to throw off suspicion of what is so painfully obvious. The duet with Carrie Underwood is the last straw, OK so what if it’s beautiful; Randy needs to get on with it and come out. You NEED to come out as well Amos, and admit you’re a closet ORIGINAL Kiss fan; that you would be there in a second if the REAL Kiss came back.

OK, SS, let me feed the troll:

1) Ritchie Blackmore- First of all, I hope you’re aware that there were SEVERAL versions of Deep Purple, labeled like ‘Mach 1, Mach 2′, etc. I believe ‘Mach 2′ was the BEST version that fans generally recognize. However, Blackmore comes off as a real PRICK! I have a Deep Purple concert DVD that was filmed in like the early 90’s when they were back together. Sure, he played great, but as SOON as it was over, he left, & I might add, the OPPOSITE side of the stage. When I listened to the interviews with the REST of the band, they really roasted Blackmore alive with their ‘critiques’. I’m not really sure I know what started all of that, but there was obviously a LOT of animosity toward Blackmore by the REST of the band. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

2) Peter has less than a million dollars now? I WISH I had even THAT! Ya know, a while back Gene said that Ace & Peter were working on their 3rd bankruptcies or some such. But Gene & Paul are RICH. Are they TOTALLY to blame? Probably not. Peter probably squandered a lot of his wealth just like Ace. Neither ONE of those guys ever could seem to handle success.

3) Insinuating that Randy Travis is gay?! Man, that’s a new one on me! Where do you get this stuff SS? I wonder, is there ANYONE who DOES need to come out? Hmmm?

4) Original KISS? Have you not read my posts? Yeah I like original KISS. Those original LPs are among my favorites. But that was then, this is now, & having SOME KISS is better than having NO KISS, which is what we’ll get if we have to depend on the REUNION!

Amos, I met Ritchie Blackmore one time when he was playing soccer. He was one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met. He took the time to sign an autograph, and discuss music with me. I certainly hope he will consider a Purple reunion at some time. It may be all we can hope for at this point, but wouldn’t it be great if Gene and Paul had Ace and Peter join them onstage for at least a couple of songs; maybe the encores at Madison Square Garden. The place would go nuts! As for Randy, everybody loves kidding him; he’s been a pretty good sport about it since The National Enquirer wrote those articles about him, but you never know – where there’s smoke…

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the reunion already happen in 96. Another just wouldn’t carry the same weight. Check out Ace and Peter screwing up “Duece” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zZv75 X4nt8

Bass, good to hear from you. The 96′ reunion is NOTHING compared to what the 2009 reunion will be. Never, ever lose your faith in what Ace and Peter could do for Kiss if brought back for at least ONE moment. Gene has reserved the right to change his mind about Ace and Peter at ANY time. Keep up your hopes and it WILL happen. IT WILL BE BIGGER THAN LED ZEPPELIN. Live to WIN!

First Off I have been a fan for quite some time almost 25 yrs and Im almost 30 so u do the math.. Everyone Loves Ace and Peter but guess what they are gone get over it and besides they are so far gone in their own little world and problems thus KISS PAUL AND GENE let em go and besides did anyone here go to the Farewell Tour and listen to Peter and Ace butcher the 80’s stuff.. So they have the best all around drummer they have ever had next to of course Carr.. And yes I cant really agree with Tommy being in the Band but it is what it is. Because I have seen many posts of all your fav albums and it seems to me Vinnie was involved somehow in each of em. Creatures, Lick It Up, And one of my personal Favs Revenge.. But I am sure Vinnie being back will never happen in any way.. So Right now KISS is what it is.. Like it or not either get over it or pout some more about Ace and Peter.. I wish they had went out together like planned and who really knows what the future may hold but like I said until then well.. And if I had my way there would be a so called KISSFEST of sorts all the living members on one tour and a big huge KISS show with all members being involved.. Imagine Ace,Peter,Bruce,Vinnie all opening for KISS.. There ya go Gene you want the final payday LOL This is your tour you need to plan…

Chuck,
Ace and Peter are not “far gone” in their own little worlds. Peter is very coherent and with it dude. How could Ace be “spaced out” and still cut it on stage with his own band? Look maybe Gene can meet the old boys half way on this. The fans are getting SICK of all the animosity and betrayal. Perhaps KISS can give on last REUNION show in NYC FOR THE FANS. Can you say PAY-PER-VIEW?????!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

…at least Deep Purple doesn’t dress somebody up AS blackmore…
…at least the The Who doesn’t put a ‘boris the spider’ chain around some scabs neck and call him’the ox’…
….at least Mccartney and Starr don’t make a new Beatles cd with scabs from some tribute band and call it “the best album we’ve done in 30 years”…
Simminz and Stinkley have said that “even the beatles and the stones don’t have original members…the DIFFERENCE is: they didn’t get Ringo to act, dress, and play like PETE BEST…and to this day I don’t believe that Jagger has brought in someone dressed as brian jones, ‘the dead man’!! (see ’spaceman’ and ‘cat’)
don’t you little kids know that tommy thayer is aping a REAL persons’ stage moves, and not a spaceman act? this is not kiss, it is little scabby diet phake kiss-lite, and we don’t want a new album with fakes. AND…if you scabkliss lovers think its okay for these two to dress as Ace and Peter, then how about each members dressing as a different charcter each nite? tommy can be the demon, paul can be the cat…why not, according to you its not the people, its the character that matters…which is why I am not interested in kiss 2003 to now: ‘THE MUSICAL CLOWN SHOW’ !!

Good for you RORO. Nobody can be the Catman, but THE CATMAN! Nobody can be the Spaceman, but THE SPACEMAN. Gene and Paul have gone too far. But I CAN promise you one thing: When it HAPPENS – it will be the shock wave felt ’round the world. LIVE TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

i know i am due for some new deep purple. perfect strangers is an AWWWSOME cd.
enough with the kiss crap
they are not real musicians they dont write very good songs.
anything good is bought from song writters. cant wait for aces new disc too. trouble walkin is really good

Dear Demon,
Kiss DID write great songs.
Kiss CAN write great songs. But they’ll need Ace and Peter to do it. This is a very IMPORTANT album for Kiss. Fans are glad Paul is taking his time with it, and not just just putting out any old s***. “Psycho-Circus” really was great record – regardless of what critics have said. We can only hope Paul is sneaking Ace and Peter into the studio to make this one of the coolest Kiss records of all time.

WOW DEAR DEMON? thats the nicest responce i,ve gotten!! wait sheading a tear. THINK NOT!!lol
psycho cicus was a great effort.
BUT AND AS USUAL THERES A BUT
did you know that alice cooper had paul stanley in court for stealing the music for the song psycho circus.
or i should say the intro to the song. its off 1 of coopers songs.
thats what they do best rip–off
other bands. they riped–off the whole make-up idea from alice cooper too/they just made it look better,and living off it ever since

Hey demon within 78, how about a LINK dude? You know, to SUPPORT what you’re saying? And I’m not saying it ain’t true, but give a source, huh? And which Cooper song are you talking about?

its off alice coopers GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH

NOW RAISE YOURE HANDS CLAP RAISE YOURE HANDS!!THERE THE GREATEST BAND ON EARTH wait a minute sabbath was called earth right?
then they became the metal gods
kiss is just a rip–off of other bands
nothing original
not even the make-up
they riped that off from alice cooper!!

is there a kiss song that can withstand the test of time?
other than detriot rock city
or beth? they dont!!
the make-up kept them going
what unmasked that was a joke
kiss alive was great im just saying that so people will not kill me!! so——remember the sun is just the moon at night
the devil cried
the FUCKIN MOB RULES

IS THAT ENOUGH SOURCE FOR U DUDE?
YOURE BELOVED BAND SUCKS!!
SORRY SO——–SAD LOL
BUT FOR WHAT ITS WORTH I AM CHECKING OUT OF HERE!!! IM DONE BLOGING ABOUT KISS—ENJOY YOURE CRAPPY ASS —-SO CALLED BAND
dont make me come —back

Hey demon within 78, while you’re on your KISS-bashing, Alice Cooper-ripoffing tirade, let me throw you MORE fuel for the fire. How about KISS even got Cooper’s record producer Bob Exrin? They first did this with DESTROYER, & Ezrin was REALLY big in Alice’s career at THAT point in time. Later Gene & Paul brought him back for their ‘concept’ LP THE ELDER. Gee, a concept LP? Was there ANYONE who did that type of thing? Oh yeah, Alice! And years later Ezrin produced REVENGE.

So go ahead, demon within 78. Let’s hear you bash how Gene & Paul even stole Alice’s producer! Man, they can’t do ANYTHING original, now can they?

WELL I GUESS IM BACK!! EVERY-1
RISE. I AM GLAD YOU SPELLED EZRIN
RIGHT lol. EZRIN WORKED WITH A LOT OF BANDS.SOOOO—-WHATS YOURE POINT? WHATS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RIPING—OFF OTHER BANDS? OR I SOULD SAY GETTING CREATIVE IDEAS
FROM OTHER BANDS. THERE SONGS ARE SOOOO-SIMPLE THEY COULD HAVE BEEN A 3 MAN BAND—I M FEELING SOOOOOOO—SLEEPY THIS IS JUST BORING. IM NOT THE ONLY HATER IN HERE.SO CUT THE SHIT MAN!! I NOW
SLAM THE BLOG ROOM DOOR ON YOURE F**KIN SKULL—-ENJOY YOU MAY ALL BE SEATED

SUPPORT YOURE LOCAL MUSICIANS!!
U MIGHT FIND BETTER MUSIC
THATS ALL IM SAYING!! KISS JUST
WANTS YOURE MONEY GENE AND PAUL ARE LA DUDES NOW THEY JUST WANT YOURE MONEY THE KISS ARMY PAYED FOR IT IF YOURE IN A PINCH DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT KISS WILL HELP YOU? I THINK NOT WITH THIS I MUST GO! BEFORE I AM KILLED. ALL RISE
THE DEMON WITHIN IS CHECKIN —-OUT–DONT MAKE ME COME BACK

OOOH BY THE WAY DESTROYER HAD TO THINGS GOING 4 IT THE ALBUM COVER AND THE INTRO TO DETRIOT ROCK CITY
OTHER THAN THAT WHAT DID IT HAVE?
IT DIDNT HAVE MUCH!!
CHILDHOOD MEMORIES AND LUNCHBOXES
IM SO BORD
HOW ABOUT LOVE GUN/ THAT WAS FULL OF CRAPPY ASS FILLER SONGS TOO!
THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY THERE NEXT VINAL DISC. THAT FAILED—-BUT THE ALBUM COVER WAS COOL ALL THOSE
CHICKS IN MACK–UP–HOW MANY GREAT TUNES DID THAT ALBUM HOLD?
WHAT 2? 3? THEY MUST HAVE THE GUINNES BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS FOR THE MOST GREATEST HITS ALL WITH THE SAME CRAPPY SONGS I SOULDNT SAY CRAPPY WHAT HEY HAD WAS SOLID BUT IT WAS A CRAPPY ASS JURNEY LIKE THE MOVIE PHNTOM OF THE PARK SO WHAT DO WANT FROM ME? WORRIORS CUM OUT AND PLAY WORRIORS CUM OUT AND PLAY THEY SOLD OUT WHEN THEY LEFT NEY YORK BUT ACE STILL LIVES IN NEW YORK HES KNOW SELL OUT =—GO ACE!!

WOW THE TYPOS I SUCK IAM JUST SAYING AC/DC HAD BETTER SONGS WITH THERE DEAD SINGER (RIP)
THAN THE NEW LINE –UP
IM SO OUT OF HERE SO DONT MAKE ME COME BACK—GOOD LUCK WITH YOURE HEROS THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL WITH THEM
RAISE YOURE GLASSES

WELL I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY!! IM ALL KISSED OUT
THINK I LL SLEEP THROUGH THERE NEXT DISC THAT SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 30 OR SO MINUTES!! IF IM WRONG WAKE ME I WILL GIVE AN OPINION YOU CAN TAKE THAT TOO THE BANK
THEY WILL FAIL THEY ALWAYS DO———I HOPE I AM WRONG
BUT SOMETHING SAYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
OTHERWISE-G OOD LUCK HARD LUCK SUCKERS

Yes, Paul Stanley has great plans for the new Kiss album. He’s bringing in Gene, Peter, and Ace to be a part of it. Young Stanley Eisen, the son of furniture store owners, and chief architect of this new album; has great plans for all of us. It’s going to blow us all away. Paul’s going all the way back to the beginning – just four guys hammering away in the middle of the night. He’s not concerned with the billion it will make, just rocking as hard as possible.

First of all, if you’re going to fill up this whole page with your sole opinion (demon within), make sure you can spell the tiny words that run through your head. You sound like a retard in a spelling bee. Second, with all of this Alice Cooper harping. Did you know that Alice Cooper discovered Kiss (watch Kiss My A** the documentary) There, that’s a source for you, something you don’t ever give. He helped them break out, He hooked them up with Ezrin. And non_amos, you sound like you would rather be nibbling on fig newtons on deamon wihin’s lap rather than listening to albums anyway, unless it was Hanson or something. I do agree that Kiss is not Kiss anymore with Eric and Tommy and they shouldn’t pass thereselves off as Ace and Peter, But you guys shouldn’t pass yourself off as music encyclopedias when you are leading people in the wrong direction you stupid, illiterate haters.–Peace.

My point is proven.

ANOTHER apologist!

Kiss THIS, apologist!

love them or hate them there aint nobody that can touch them live.and anybody that disagrees has never been to a kiss concert

wow what a fruitcake/ did i have some typos? what the fucks with the cooper thimg? hes like 72 and stanley like 58. was stanley
ripping off cooper? absolutly
theres some more typos for you dude!!
ill make sure i add i couple every once in a while?
paul stanleys been ripping off all kinds of bands though out the kisstoria of these rip-off loseres
did i spell that wrong will you make it? be all wright!!

look at the typos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well its about time they had a new album!!! , Does anyone know if tommy thayer is singing any songs? or will it be another great thing that gene could exploit and ruin

I have heard KISS’ new song “Modern Day Delilah” It’s a good solid rock song. Pauls voice sounds strong, Tommy’s solo is rippin. It reminds me just a little of, “Exciter” from the “Lick It Up” album. From a long time KISS fan who only liked three of their albums in the last 27 years, so far with the first song released, I like it.

So BASS, have you ‘coverted’ to the current KISS line-up? Sure sounds like it! That’s OK, though. Judging by what I’ve heard myself, it really DOES look like the boys are gonna deliver the goods this time around!

I have no problem with them recording with new members. I loved “Creatures, Lick It, and Carnival.” I completely disagree with them dressing new members in Ace, and Peters costumes, and makeup. If their making good new music it’s cool with me. I will NOT go see them live this way.

so you think sonic boom will deliver?

Yes it is true, Ace is half Jewish. But that’s not good enough for Gene and Paul. They have rejected Ace and Catholic Peter. So sad. The music should come first. But it’s all about politics. And it’s the fans that will suffer the most. I dream of a day when discrimination will no longer exist.

WOW A MEAT AND POTATOS ALBUM!!
KNOW WONDER THESE POOR FUCKERS
CANT WRITE A SONG OR AND ENTIRE
ALBUM TO SAVE THERE LIVES! GENE
ATE ALL THE MEAT AND,ONLY LEFT THE POTATOS.PAUL GOT ALL THE POTATOS,THE REST GOT NOTHING.
GENE YOU GREEDY BASTARD. THE BOYS ARE STARVING

what is win to live? is that a cd?

On 10/06/2009 the demon eats his words. The REST of us will ENJOY meat & potatoes!

Wow this album is going to blow everybody away! Reports keep filtering in that Paul Stanley is sneaking in Ace Frehley and Peter Criss into the studio. Detroit is going to be mind-f’ed when they APPEAR on stage. Hold on to your seats Kiss fans!

I thought Aerosmith did the song ‘Dream On’, not KISS.

Kiss is all about DREAMS. Kiss is all about the impossible. Zeppelin let the people down. The Beatles let the people down. Paul Stanley won’t have any part of that. Kiss has NEVER let the people down. If the odds of Ace and Peter coming back are a million to one, Paul welcomes that challenge. Gene Simmons has told us never to quit – never to give up hope. When the ultimate reunion happens, all the faithful will come back – you’ll see!

OH BROTHER!!!!! (slaps head):(

Laugh if you will Amos. A new order will come that will sweep vermon like you away. The Kiss Army will prevail, and you will be last in line; paying scalpers $1000 to glimpse at the original, and TRUE KISS. Get your money together Amos: Here comes the REAL KISS – straight at you!

ALL RISE THE DEMON WITHIN IS IN!
WOW THE RUMORS. YA RIGHT ITS GOING TO BE SUCH A GREAT CD. WHY BECAUSE GENE SAID? LET ME TELL YOU , GENE WOULD STEAL A DOLLAR IF IT WAS STICKING OUT OF YOURE POCKET. NEW COSTUMES? WILL THERE BE A NEW COMIC BOOK TOO?
A NEW LUNCHBOX WITHOUT A THERMMO?
THERE NEW CD WILL NOT EVEN HAVE A SINGLE HIT.
NO AIR TIME AT ALL.
I,LL BET MONEY ON IT
THE DEMON WITHIN IS CHECKIN OUT
YOU MAY ALL BE SEATED lol

hey ss.
does that stand for assssshole?
id prefer to be last in line.
for a dio concert than first in line for a loser kiss concert!
and non amos arnt you a kiss hater too? or are u a kiss fake hater?

SS, it’s vermin I believe, not vermon.

Demon, it’s aren’t, not arnt. You apologists need to learn how to spell!

As for being a KISS hater? No. I’ve liked the various incarnations, with AND without makeup & I’m looking forward to the new album. Oh, it’s already getting rave reviews & ‘Modern Day Delilah’ is already becoming VERY popular.

Ready to eat some crow?

You chumps still can’t face it. Okay, there are two concerts going on down the street: One the ORIGINAL Kiss, one the FAKE Kiss -and you’re waiting in line for those bogus f#$%ers? Well f#$% you, and the horse: I’ll sit here in this cold pumpkin patch until Lucy puts me to bed and the “FAB FOUR” are back! It’s not just for the billions that Paul and Gene are going to do it F$#%^rs! It’s for the fans – for the True Kiss Army!

And here we go round & round AGAIN!

SS, just don’t let anyone see you at Wal Mart on 10/06/2009. We wouldn’t want you labeled as a hypocrite when they see you purchasing SONIC BOOM from that FAKE KISS! .

Well, it looks like Kiss is going ahead with it. It’s going to be up to the fans to decide whether Ace and Peter really meant anything or not. Kiss has booked big arenas and are coming out with their new album, without Ace and Peter. COUNT THE EMPTY SEATS!
COUNT THE CRATES OF UNSOLD ALBUMS! Kiss will learn the hard way. When will Gene Simmons learn that the first rule of business is LOYALTY! It’s sad really, because you know it’s going to fail. The good news is that when this is all over, Gene and Paul are going to know that they need Ace and Peter. I’ll be there in 2010 when the greatest reunion of all time takes place!

HEY S S YOU MAKE A LOT OF FUKN**
BROTHER. I STILL THINK THEY SUCK
BUT YOU HAVE A POINT MAN!!

Hey demon & SS, how about you two getting a room, huh?!

So you can watch Amos? When are you going to bow down to the power and glory of “Ace” Paul Frehley? When are you going to succumb to the THUNDER of Peter Criss? This one’s up to the FANS Jack: They will have the final say – with their hard-earned money!

SS, I DO plan to buy Ace’s new album Anomaly.

But I ALSO plan to buy Kiss’ album Sonic Boom.

PSYCHE!!!!!

this has BEEN sooo much fun!
hey non amos go get FUCKIN BENT
YOU PIECE OF FUCKIN SHIT. ACES CD WILL BE GREAT BUT,AND THERES ALWAYS A BUT WITH ME. IT WILL BE MORE OF A CULT FOLLOWING. the piss
cd,who knows. i know i will not buy it,and thats cool with me.
for me kiss is just a let down .

P.S
DEAR NON-AMOS do us americans
a favor. please dush youre nasty little hole out,and use some mouth wash. YOURE REALLY STARTING TO STINK IT UP IN HERE. lol
you dirty little bitch!!

I can’t wait when Kiss plays the first show of this new tour: The fans thought they were getting the clones, and it’s the real Ace and Peter on stage! All the jaws in the arena drop at once – the place goes wild! Thank you soo much Gene and Paul! The rest of the dates SELL OUT immediately! With Kiss ANYTHING is possible! Paul and Gene have taught us NEVER to give up hope; about anything, ever. LIVE TO WIN!

Oooooo, it’s the big bad demon talking about butts & holes & beyotches. OOOOO, I’m scared!

But YOU WOULD know about them things, wouldn’t you, ‘Jack’.

I have heard, “Sonic Boom” in its entirety, and after just one listen(Sometimes after a few listens it start to grow on ya) I’d say it’s far better than, “Psycho Circus” which was with Ace, and Peter, but not as good as, “Creatures, Lick It, and Carnival” which was also with replacements. It definitely has that 70’s vibe with big hooky choruses. The new costumes are lame, and I am waiting to see the new stage set. If they gave, Eric and Tommy their own identities I’d consider seeing them live, but this way is just uncool. I’m a little baffled by the Alice Cooper nonsense. Let their legacy be the judge. Alice could barely fill small theaters if he went on tour. The original KISS would sell out arenas worldwide.

Bass, HOW did you hear the FULL album? Inquiring minds want to know!

And what’s this about Alice? What’s going on NOW?! I thought that lawsuit crap was YEARS ago. I know Eric Singer plays drums for Alice here & there & probably still would if needed, but is there something NEW that I don’t know about?

Non_amos, lets just say, it’s out there, and I was referring to all the Alice Cooper comments on here.
I have to say, the song “I’m An Animal” is bad ass. Genes best in years. Tommy’s tune is pretty good as well. Erics song is just stupid.

ok guys……here is the deal…..i was able to see KISS on last years tour. No it wasn´t there best but it was enjoyable. Better than no makeup KISS and the kids loved it as we did as kids. They still like to entertain as we still do what we enjoy. Most every band go to the sellout sound or where everything sounds the same. Other bands try to keep going and r not entertaining in the least……anyone seen REO later. I just seen Journey last week……good show but anything close to where they once were. Night Ranger opened up and was the same. Older guys trying to still have fun. I will gladly buy the new CD and hope it is 1/2 as good as they want it to be. If not I can hope it stands up with at least Creatures of the Night or Revenge. If not it will collect dust, I will copy it to my ipod and hope some of it grows on me. If not so be it but at least they get to do something they enjoy as all of us should old or not. It´s like being a Cubs fan….no matter how many times they fall short the fans still love em. Sit back, relax, and do what you enjoy!!!!!

If you’ll notice, the last half of these emails have been deleted. Kiss just can’t face the fact that they can’t make it without Ace and Peter. Hang in there TRUE FANS – they’ll be back soon! LIVE TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, KISS has been nominated for the “Hall Of Fame.” If they’re inducted it will be interesting to see who takes the stage. It’s got to be the original four. The only other member who was there for several years, that will be available is Bruce, and I don’t see that happening. Who will induct them? It better not be that cheese-ass Bret Michaels, that would only steal away any credibility that KISS gains from this. And which song, or songs would they play? Please not R&R all nite, I hate that fucking song, and it isn’t close to their best. I’d say “Detroit Rock City, God of Thunder, Black Diamond, or I Want You” Any thoughts?

ALL RISE THE DEMON IS IN.
REMEMBER MTV-KISS UNPLUGGED?
I FOUND IT IN MY VHS COLLECTIOM.
OOOH BY THE WAY FUK YOU NON-AMOS
YOU JUMPIN MEXICAN BEAN. HA HA HA
ANYWAYS THAT WAS REALLY COOL.
PROBABLY THE BEST THING I REMEMBER ABOUT KISS LATLEY.TYPOS

i might have it copied from vhs to dvd if i can find a place that offers that service,

after aces departure from the band, i thought bruce kulick was the best choice. the non make-up years where the best. the 90s they rocked pretty good. THIS TOMMY THYER IN GREASE PAINT&COSTUME SHIT SUCKS! singer even cut and dyed his hair black.
HOW GAY IS THAT? kulick would not have had any part in that. or is it a wig that singer is wearing?
singer probably jumped into the criss costume as soon as it came out of mothballs. MOTHBALLS ARE THOSE SMELLY LITTLE ROUND BALLS THAT NON-AMOS HAS IN HIS YELLOW ONCE WHITE PANTIES. maybe on tour they will jump from cat make-up to fox make-up. nothing original now. just the past being played out by stand-ins. its to bad it really is. AND IM TALKIN ABOUT NON-AMOS NOT CHANGING THOSE NASTY ASS YELLOW PANTIES.its to bad it really is. gag a magot need to hang an air freshener in here!!
ooh the smell.

ive heard the new album, and i think its pretty killer. they have gained back their old 70’s sound i think.for older dudes, they can still put out pretty good tunes. i

After three weeks of listening to “Sonic Boom”,heres the grades; Modern Day Delilah: A
Russian Roulette: B
Never Enough: B
Nobodys Perfect: A
Stand: C
Hot&Cold: B
All For The Glory: D
Danger Us: D
I’m An Animal: A+
When Lighning Strikes: A
Say Yeah: B

after hearing sonic doom once.
heres my grade BIG FUCKIN F.
T Y ACE FOR THE GREAT CD
MY GRADE A++ ITS SO–FOXY

I heard all the songs on youtube

C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C

It Sucks I heard sonic boom was thought of when gene was taking a dump from an ex kiss fan. No fox
eric singer should be the racoon.
tommy thayer should be the scottish general or the british.

im hopeing kiss goes away like a bad headache. and ace keeps putin out some new stuff from time to time