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Did Axl Rose Swindle Guns n’ Roses and Steal Slash’s Song? A Guide to Rose’s Online Rants

12/15/08, 5:20 pm EST

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Axl Rose didn’t give any magazine or TV interviews to herald the release of Chinese Democracy. But just days after breaking his silence with a pair of Q&As on Guns n’ Roses message boards, Rose has published a 4,594-word post and an additional Q&A on the two fan sites. Those who haven’t been following the Gn’R saga for the past 20 years may be a bit confused by some of his references to age-old beefs with Slash and other bits of Guns jargon. We’ve broken out the juiciest bits and explained them here:

Claim I. I didn’t swindle my bandmates.

Backstory: Slash has alleged that Axl refused to go onstage one night during the Use Your Illusion tour in 1992 unless the band signed away the name rights to the band. “Unfortunately, we signed it,” said Slash. “I didn’t think he’d on stage otherwise.”

Axl’s take: “Never happened, all made up, fallacy and fantasy. Not one single solitary thread of truth to it. Had that been the case I would’ve have been cremated years ago legally, could’ve cleaned me out for the name and damages. It’s called under duress with extenuating circumstances.”

Plausibility: Axl makes a surprisingly strong case. Might Slash not have had the clearest head during that tour?

Claim II. Slash lied in his book.

Backstory: In Slash’s 2007 book the guitarist claims that Guns n’ Roses’ final recording sessions were stalled due to a vast musical direction between himself and Axl.

Axl’s take: “I have the rehearsal tapes. There’s nothing but Slash-based blues rock and he stopped it to both go solo and try to completely take over Guns. I read all this if Axl would’ve put words and melodies on it could’ve… I was specifically told no lyrics, no melodies, no changes to anything and to sing what I was told or fuck off.”

Plausibility: It’s a classic case of he said, Slash said — but again, Slash’s memory of events from the 1990s is always questionable.

Claim III: We won’t reform at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Backstory: Fans have been clamoring for a reunion tour from the original lineup when the band is eventually inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Slash has said, “If this comes up, I’d hope we’d be mature enough to get up and do that.”

Axl’s take: “Never thought about that, with the RRHOF. The whole ‘mature enough’ bit was cute. Not to offend anyone but personally I don’t have an interest… It’s a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be contemplating being inducted now.”

Plausibility: Axl is now managed by Irving Azoff, a reunion miracle worker who reformed the Eagles and got David Lee Roth back onstage with Van Halen last year. His work is cut out for him this time. If it ever happens, it probably won’t be at the Rock and Roll Fall of Fame in two years.

Claim IV: Velvet Revolver took our song.

Backstory: Velvet Revolver had a hit single in 2004 with “Fall To Pieces.”

Axl’s take: He claims the song originated during the band’s ill-fated final sessions in the mid 1990s. “… Which led to the trial period where Slash played the key bits of ‘Fall to Pieces’ but once I showed some interest that was over.”

Plausibility: Hearing it again today, it’s easy to imagine Axl singing the song — which could have been a classic Gn’R hit if done right. Did Slash play it for Axl, only to pull it when interest was showed? Probably.

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Casual Observer | 12/15/2008, 5:41 pm EST

The lyrics on the VR version of “Fall to Pieces” are laughably bad. Axl would have come up with way better lyrics than that. And sang it much better too.

Haddage | 12/15/2008, 5:46 pm EST

Rolling Stone’s unwavering commitment to Axl Rose is almost sickening…

RE Haddage | 12/15/2008, 6:10 pm EST

Axl’s commitment to do things his way and not sell out kicks ass. Otherwise his face would be on the cover. RS is just trying to kiss his ass.

DiamondDavidson | 12/15/2008, 6:27 pm EST

Axl would have made “Fall to Pieces” way better than VR did. Velvet Revolver is pathetic Guns N Roses is ten times better. VR even couldnt think of another name Guns N Roses-Velvet Revolver sounds pretty close to being the same name haha i just realized that wow slash youre pathetic.

chuck hustle | 12/15/2008, 6:27 pm EST

Minus Slash’s lead part, “Fall to Pieces” is almost identical to “Yesterdays” from Use Your Illusion 2. That’s why it sounds familiar and probably why they didn’t use it.

Joe | 12/15/2008, 6:31 pm EST

“Yesterdays” is so much better than repetitive, derivative “Fall to Pieces”

Rollingstone | 12/15/2008, 6:41 pm EST

Biased against Slash at all?? Somebody’s looking for an interview with Axl…

Jim | 12/15/2008, 6:43 pm EST

Twenty-some-odd years on, the spirit of the original GNR is a relic and cannot be recovered. These are older guys now. Not to say they can’t create anything worthwhile (together or apart), but the AFD-era GNR is dead and gone, regardless of whether they ever play together again.

Rusty | 12/15/2008, 6:44 pm EST

Who cares?

Suprise | 12/15/2008, 6:48 pm EST

Rollingstone biased against Slash.

Ando | 12/15/2008, 6:51 pm EST

Just to sum up RS responses to all the claims listed above:

AXL: III (one is non-relevant)
Slash: 0

In the words of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, “Pure objective journalism at its finest…”

Chris Dq | 12/15/2008, 6:55 pm EST

Finally the truth comes out!

nwark | 12/15/2008, 6:56 pm EST

It seems RS is taking Axl’s side on this, but I might think so because I like Slash more.

keegs | 12/15/2008, 7:02 pm EST

GNR made one solid album. Chinese Democracy sucks. Why are we still talking about Axl Rose?

Rusty Cares | 12/15/2008, 7:05 pm EST

I definitely dont go to this website for “objective journalism”. It’s an entertainment website. And it’s entertaining. It’s funny that the guys who were the most drug-addled and drunk during those days (Adler and Slash) come up with the wacky accusations. I find it impossible to believe the entire band sitting there with legal documents initialing “here, here and here” backstage before the show.

joice | 12/15/2008, 7:07 pm EST

Nice to hear the other side after years of one sided stories from Slash! And not to mention the fact that Slash’s stories change every other year.

Anonymous | 12/15/2008, 7:25 pm EST

RS simply posted a rant from the horses mouth, and here people are accusing them of bias and their ”unwavering commitment” to Rose. It’s a different perspective to what some of us already know. They’re not even siding with Axl, they’re saying that Slash MIGHT be wrong. Jesus. Deal with it people.

teddy | 12/15/2008, 7:26 pm EST

you go axl

teddy | 12/15/2008, 7:26 pm EST

you go axl

Nick | 12/15/2008, 7:27 pm EST

It’s nice to hear Axl’s side for a change. Seems Slash has been pleading his (not so plausible) case for years. It’s easy to get on Axl’s case, but the man has some solid points.

Mary | 12/15/2008, 7:27 pm EST

Slash was a liar.

Thanks Axl for sharing with the fans your side of the story.

I’m sure Slash will sell a book to answer Axl… LOL

THANKS AXL!!!! LOVE YOU

oooOOooo | 12/15/2008, 7:30 pm EST

why don’t they both STFU and finally do the tour we ALL KNOW they are going to do sooner or later?

the original line-up. year long worldwide tour. 100% sold out. arenas/stadiums. etc.

axl. slash. izzy. duff.

adler or sorum? respect to sorum but I would very much prefer to see adler up there with them. that is if he’s sober and can still play the drums after the stroke. if he can’t handle it, then sorum will more than suffice.

my only advice, keep that shit LEAN & MEAN. a stage. some lights. the instruments. a killer sound system. that is all you need cause it’s all us true gun fans really want.

Respectfulboy 111 | 12/15/2008, 7:36 pm EST

Actually I think you guys are all way to biased towards Slash when the media has been doing this whole Slash vs. Axl thing for a while and always going with Slash because everybody hates Axl but he gets a hard rap and because Slash has had a sudden burst in popularity ahem ahem GUitar Hero he is always getting his side beng the only one being listened to

hogleg | 12/15/2008, 7:58 pm EST

Who cares? Chinese Democracy is the biggest flop in Rock history. VR is dead. Good riddance!

HELLBOY | 12/15/2008, 8:08 pm EST

i saw newgnr and velvet revolver. i thought velvet revolver would be better live………i was sooooooooooooo wrong!!!!!

Anonymous | 12/15/2008, 8:12 pm EST

People are still talking about Axl because he is worth talking about — IMO he is probably one of the most talented singer/musicians of all time. That’s just MY opinion, though I’m not trying to be an ass kisser either.

Studio Dave | 12/15/2008, 8:14 pm EST

GNR is over. It was over a long time ago. The only lasting thing from GNR was the first record which was amazing and still is. Axl is a egomaniac moron who has no idea of how many years have passed and how no rock record that took 13 million and countless years to make will ever be any good. Call it what you will but the new CD is not GNR. that band is gone. If you want to hear the real deal just listen to the real deal. Axl is just trying to make headlines. If he was really looking to make music he would have made 10 record since the last GNR record.

Rickpbloomps | 12/15/2008, 8:29 pm EST

Wow, I wonder whose side Rolling Stone is on with all this Slash bashing about how clear his head was. Anyways who cares this is 2008 almost 2009! We got a lot of music coming out now to talk about. Music aside from Chinese Democracy.

Austin | 12/15/2008, 8:40 pm EST

Is there a link to where this article came from?

Jeff | 12/15/2008, 8:49 pm EST

Axl: III

Slash: III

Axl: One amazing album since 1991.

Slash: Zero amazing albums since 1991.

TKO!!!

Jeff | 12/15/2008, 8:50 pm EST

Correction.

Axl: III

Slash: Zilch.

Axl Rose is a lyrical genius | 12/15/2008, 9:06 pm EST

Just listen to these amazing lyrics:

And that goes for all you punks in the press
That want to start shit by printin’ lies instead of the things we said
That means you
Andy Secher at Hit Parader
Circus Magazine
Mick Wall at Kerrang
Bob Guccione Jr. at Spin,
What you pissed off cuz your dad gets more pussy than you?
Fuck you
Suck my fuckin’ dick

You be rippin’ off the fuckin’ kids
While they be payin’ their hard earned money to read about the bands
They want to know about
Printin’ lies startin’ controversy
You wanta antagonize me
Antagonize me motherfucker
Get in the ring motherfucker
And I’ll kick your bitchy little ass
PUNK

I don’t like you, I just hate you
I gonna kick your ass,
Oh yeah! Ohyeah!

MC | 12/15/2008, 9:06 pm EST

Axl’s a huge toolbag… jeez the guy did nothing for 15 years and came out with a pretty weak attempt at an album. Slash rock a bazillion times harder, any song on either of VR’s records shits on Chinese Democracy stuff. Also, Chinese Demo is NOT GUNS N ROSES. And it only really takes one word, but any of the following would work… guitar, drums, bass? Listen, a band can sound like any band, but Axl is currently in a gnr cover band. I’m sorry, but if Keith Richards aint playin the guitar, it aint the stones, same with GNR

W Myers | 12/15/2008, 9:07 pm EST

I am sure if you dig enough..there is truth somewhere in both sides. Hopefully one day they will all be able to put this behind them.

One more thing….I would love to see a reunion tour, but for love of the music NOT greed.

Lynn | 12/15/2008, 9:21 pm EST

It wasn’t “rant”. Good going RollingStone….stir up controversy. Axl was chatting with fans and answering questions. Do your research first.

WOW MC | 12/15/2008, 9:25 pm EST

Libretard was the worst rock album of the past 5 years. CD runs circles around it.

cpaxlvacy | 12/15/2008, 9:40 pm EST

Thanks Axl, you rock, Chinese Democracy, best album in a decade, velvet revolver best crap of the decade, thanks for giving us your side of the story after 15 years of silence about that issue, i believe your story 100%, Slash is crap and sucks big time. see ya

Jymn | 12/15/2008, 10:03 pm EST

Whoever wrote this must be a very good friend of Axl’s. Very bad reporting and one-sided as I’ve read. A travesty of reporting.

Jimbo | 12/15/2008, 10:12 pm EST

Axl has obviously never stepped foot in a law school classroom, as threatening to not go on-stage in an effort to have someone sign a contract would not survive any standard of duress.

Philbee | 12/15/2008, 10:21 pm EST

The irrelevance of GNR, Axl and Slash today is old news and remains so despite this nonsense. Rolling Stone printing this is like a stoner out of weed and trying to get that last desperate resin hit. Move on or start printing articles about Deep Purple or Foghat.

Reality | 12/15/2008, 10:44 pm EST

Axl may be a prima donna but Slash is a big deceptive queen not to mention Velvet Revolver sucked donkey rod.

Chinese Democracy is awesome. Bummer the old band broke up but whatever.

I wish them both the best.

kent | 12/15/2008, 10:53 pm EST

the axl posts were awesome, and so is this cheat sheet

Alexander Chr. Adrian | 12/15/2008, 11:08 pm EST

This is pathetic! What does Axl Rose call his new band. “The Axl Rose All Star Heavy Rock Band” or something? No. He calls it “Guns n`Roses”. Is it? Let`s see… 4 of the 5 founding members are either sacked or left of their own acccord (i.e. sick of all the tantrums and lateness of said Rose). So Axl Rose had to call it “Guns n` Roses” or there wouldn`t be a big enough interest. To do so he would have to find some way to get the rights to the band name. Lo and behold, he did! And then he spent 14 years to make one of the most overproduced and silly records ever… (Truly Spinal Tap!) … with something like 8-10 members that never seems to have wanted to stay for the whole run (with the exeption of Dizzy Reed). Christ! It isn`t even a proper band.
If Axl Rose had any decency he wouldn`t have called it “Guns n` Roses”. But he`s a thief and a liar – face facts!
As for all the mockery about “I love Guns n` Roses” but hate Slash. That`s truly stupid. What made “Guns n`Roses” memorable was the interplay of Slash, Izzy, Duff & Steven Adler/”Hired Gun” Matt Sorum. (And what made it unforgettable was the addition of the voice that sounds like a cat with balls that are being twisted…) That`s gone and will probably never be heard live on this earth again… And do you want to know whose fault that probably is…? Face facts.
The closest we`ve gotten so far was “Velvet Revolver”. They sold 256.000 in their first week in 2004 – “Chinese Democracy” sold either 261.000 or 289.000 in the first week. While “C. Dem.” starts with a bad “Rock You Like A Hurrican”-sounding riff after some boring sound effects – Velvet Revolvers “Contraband” started with a “Suckertrain Blues” that truly rocked in its own way without sounding like a rip off. Both “Contraband” and “Libertad”
had some amazing songs and I still think they are as good as the 5 albums that “Stone Temple Pilots” put out…

Guns n` Roses R.I.P.

And leave Slash alone. He wanted to set the record straight in his autobiography about why he couldn`t continue(not)working with Axl Rose. Because he`s probably heard those questions more than anyone about why he left Guns n` Roses…

Chris | 12/15/2008, 11:38 pm EST

CHINESE DEMOCRACY is an amazing hard rock album, period.

Robin R. | 12/15/2008, 11:41 pm EST

I love “Chinese Democracy.” It hasn’t left my CD player since its release. The greatest hard rock album in many years!!!

jay | 12/16/2008, 12:23 am EST

for anyone on this blog to say that slash is irrelevant or not good should go fuck themselves. He has created more than just incredible licks and incendiary melody. he has given us a reason to play guitar. Jesus christ

Me | 12/16/2008, 12:33 am EST

Wow… this article seems unfair and unbalanced! Every extrapolation is pro- Axl and Con- Slash. People at Rolling Stone magazine are WAY too opinionated for their own good when it comes to these things.

The Intl | 12/16/2008, 12:42 am EST

Who cares? After all these years, who really cares? They’re all just a bunch of LA hairband morons who should go back to Gazzarri’s & marry past their prime pole dancers.

skillet | 12/16/2008, 12:45 am EST

Rolling Stone continues to suck Axl’s d**k every chance they get.

Let’s review.

In his book, Slash states that Axl refused to SING ON A NEW ALBUM. He didn’t say that Axl would not go on stage. Looks like you guys didn’t but half-ass read his book.
This is a much more believable statement than “he wouldn’t go on stage.” Too bad RS didn’t actually bother reading the book.

I don’t know why RS says Slash’s memory of the 1990’s is “questionable” any more than Axl’s is. Sure Slash was high all the time, but Axl’s BEHAVIOR over the last 20 years makes anything he says suspect. F**k, there’s even a kurt loder interview with Axl on youtube where Axl is talking about Slash being his best friend and always will be. And Axl’s got a “clear memory” of the 90’s? Why the hell doesn’t he remember saying that stuff in the 1990’s? I never saw Slash start any riots or cause fans to wait several hours before a show started. …Axl’s had a history of irrational behavior, and RS is sitting his sucking his c**k and acting like Slash is a straight liar. Slash, ALWAYS, even in his addiction years, acted more like a normal, rational human being than Axl ever has.

You guys are pissing yourselves to get an interview with Axl, cause MAYBE it will sell a few magazines. He’s acted like a f***ing nut job for 20 years, and you’re acting like Slash is the crazy one here. I’m sure there’s some mistruths on both sides, but geez guys, you obviously didn’t read all of Slash’s biography, and taking Axl’s “word for it” is complete lunacy.

CD is a decent album. better than average album. “Great album”? not to me, but it’s still pretty good.

not guns n roses | 12/16/2008, 1:32 am EST

chinese democracy sucks, nine inch nails already perfected that sound and axl not only copied but ruined it

heathen2002 | 12/16/2008, 1:32 am EST

I mean, does anyone really care? Axl needs to accept the fact that the day is done for Gn’R. It’s hilarious..This album has tanked..Saw it coming. Nobody really listens to this shit anymore do they? Save the mulletheads and trailer-park dwellers. Since you won’t hear these songs on the radio, you may want to try the nearest tractor-trailer pull…

Dexter Watcher | 12/16/2008, 1:33 am EST

His hermitage over the years, his studio budgets, his tours, his legal battles, his collaborations, his leaked material, his unexpected Chinese Democracy release, his AWOL accusation, his Dr. Pepper association (or condemnation), and finally his fan-level emergence. The total package is entertainment, and it’s interesting. Helps that the music’s smart and catchy (among other things).

Ulysses | 12/16/2008, 1:41 am EST

Gotta love axl. Great to hear his side of the story.

RObert | 12/16/2008, 2:30 am EST

It was not ranting, Axl Rose was anwsering questions which his fans were asking him directly… Any other person would have sold that story to a magazine, but I guess axl only talks to the people that matter to him: the fans.

RObert | 12/16/2008, 2:30 am EST

It was not ranting, Axl Rose was anwsering questions which his fans were asking him directly… Any other person would have sold that story to a magazine, but I guess axl only talks to the people that matter to him: the fans.

Ricky Stevens | 12/16/2008, 3:17 am EST

Hey! Let’s all be huge nerds and post on this comment board. It’s about time a bunch of losers like us all got together and gave our irrelevant opinions on an irrelevant matter. Wooo!!!!

Vinyard | 12/16/2008, 3:19 am EST

Chinese Democracy is amazing and Axl is the most talented song writer/singer out there. Axl isn’t relevant? How is he not? His lyrics and vocals are deep and amazing! Who is more relevant in the music business than Axl?

Allan Hunt | 12/16/2008, 3:22 am EST

Am I the only one who thinks that Axl’s didgeridoo solo on “Prostitute” kicks ass? The guy is a musical genius to pull in an instrument like that and make it work. Rock on Axl!

Leonardo Peixoto | 12/16/2008, 5:19 am EST

It is pretty clear that Axl is telling the truth…that’s why it took so long to record Chinese Democracy…because of the legal issues with the name…
I believe in Axl Rose

Leonardo Peixoto | 12/16/2008, 5:26 am EST

and just for the record….Chinese Democracy kicks ass….a great work

Andy | 12/16/2008, 5:44 am EST

You are being played : Axl Rose needs this controversy to promote his album. That’s why he’s talking now: he has something to sell.
I don’t think he believes what he said.
His messages are a big joke, a commercial gimmick.
It’s the only way to get the attention from the media: nobody cares about Chinese Democracy (the record is a big flop) or Axl’s current line-up. People want stories about Axl Rose and Slash, not about Buckethead or Tommy Stinson.

Axl Rose can’t tour because he has no band, so he found another way to promote his album: this little controversy. He’s temporizing until he’s able to put a band together and tour.

War of bands… (Oasis vs Blur, etc. etc…..), that’s always worked for all the people involved.

Rolling Stone, Billboard, etc. are reporting the story… That’s exactly what Axl Rose wanted.

Axl Rose and Slash must be laughing their asses off seeing how the fans are taking sides !

Rob | 12/16/2008, 5:47 am EST

Axl Rose is lying: the delay had nothing to do with legal issues.

Bryan “Brain” Mantia had to re-record all the parts recorded by the former drummer NOTE BY NOTE… It took months to do that !

That’s just an example of Axl Rose’s bullshit.

night train wreck | 12/16/2008, 6:33 am EST

Bla bla bla..we’ve only got “I said”, “he said” garbage. The problem is too much time has passed for GnR to ever be the GnR that existed 20 years ago. Its over folks. It would only be a nostaglia show.

But we got Appetite for Destruction out of the deal. And what an album it is!!

Chinese Democracy | 12/16/2008, 6:40 am EST

best album of the year.

Axl’s story seems so much more trustworthy than Slash’, who have changed his opinions several times the last years.

Credibility to Axl who never gave in, and kept making kick-ass songs while the press only told Slash lies from his point of view.

Axl, you’re a pure genious!

Gwen | 12/16/2008, 6:51 am EST

In first of all here’s my message to the haters: if nobody cared, how come tons of people commented?

Second, why can’t you just give them both the benifit of the doubt? It’s no secret that Slash was addicted and has some vague memories because of that but Axl wasn’t completely sober those days either. His memories might be just as vague because, let’s face it, it’s a miracle they haven’t died of on overdose. On top of that, they aren’t the most objective people on the matter, right? We weren’t there so we don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong anyway.

Third, what’s the hate against Slash? He’s a verry skilled guitarist who wrote some legendairy stuff. No matter whether you like Velvet Revolver or not, you can’t deny it. Personally I think Velvet Revolver is a great band. I also think Chinese Democracy is a great album (even though it might be a little better with Slash, Duff and Izzy) so why can’t you apreciate both?

GUNNER22 | 12/16/2008, 6:59 am EST

AXL is the man, instead of makinf a fukkin book or selling the story to a mag, he shared with the fans in a online forum, didnt even post on the official website,

axl is the man.

i’m glad that we finally have his side.

y duff and slash never told the press that they were suing axl a few years ago?!?!?!?!

thedetoxg | 12/16/2008, 7:30 am EST

what the fuck why cant we all get along

thedetoxg | 12/16/2008, 7:39 am EST

you got to think the history these 2 guys have what they actually think of each other.chinese democracy is not a guns n roses album but it has a vibe that you cant let down and say its nothing.guns n roses is a band name that axl just has and he used it. as for a reunion i truly think it will happen in the next 4 years. axl rose likes there to be history made with either his music or his band so nothing would be better than the origninal line up for one more show, i bet it would be just like ol days

Mezzanine | 12/16/2008, 7:44 am EST

I don’t really how much truth there is about the name, but I can assure you that Guns n’ Roses without Axl Rose just wouldn’t sell and I think that Slash and Co. realized that when they decided to part with the name.
In Axl we trust.

yubirisley | 12/16/2008, 8:14 am EST

Velvet Revolver is the worst crap ever, Slash is a sell out plying from Michael Jackson to Paulina Rubio.

Viva Axl Rose y su Chinese Democracy.

Dave Noesen | 12/16/2008, 8:17 am EST

axl rose is a god..slash is a tool!

GNR4EVA | 12/16/2008, 8:50 am EST

OK…this is so one-sided it is pathetic. RS is so trying to kiss Axl’s a–! I have met Slash and he is very, very cool. So to try and hang everything in him is pathetic. Look at the history.

Who was late to shows? Started riots? Jumped in a crowed to grab a camera? Stormed off stage when anyhting pissed him off? Slash? Izzy? NO…IT WAS AXL!!!!

Get off the Axl is innocent trip! He is a jerk and a coward (just ask Vince Neil!)

Now…I love GNR. The real lineup…not the Axl Rose band.

This is such a blatant attempt by Rose to sell more copies of Chin. Dem., since it has tanked big time.

So, lets put the BS behind us and reunite the original band.

Oh…and how about RS try to act like RS and not People Magazine (which is all you guys are now!)

AlmightyDevin | 12/16/2008, 9:18 am EST

When they get into a room together with a camera and discuss what actually happened, i’ll be convinced.

kliffee | 12/16/2008, 9:44 am EST

it took Axl 14yrs to make a new record, not Slash. I think we know the truth here.

kliffee | 12/16/2008, 9:44 am EST

it took Axl 14yrs to make a new record, not Slash. I think we know the truth here.

CASmith | 12/16/2008, 10:52 am EST

I like getting news bits from this site, but I hate how RS twists a story to make it seem a certain way. I’m not even a huge GnR fan, and I know that Axl wasn’t “ranting” or doing some kind of Kanye West thing with his recent online presence. Don’t be decieving Rolling Stone! From everything I’ve seen Axl, especially in this MB post, was just trying to clear up some topics with answers to really big questions. Knowing how much his fans need to hear everything, I think he’s been doing a big favor to fans and casual listeners by stating his case.

The new GnR album is great, and I don’t even listen to that type of music anymore. Awesome job Axl!

Let’s try a little more positivty in our comments, huh? I mean, we’re talking about a guy who loves to make and perform music. He doesn’t deserve to be cut off at the knees by people who just might have a hunch that they don’t like him or might not like his music.

Your Mom | 12/16/2008, 10:53 am EST

After listening to the leaks for YEARS and YEARS, clearly the album didn’t take 14 yrs to make, just 14 years to release

CASmith | 12/16/2008, 11:04 am EST

PS – I was referring to the automatic Axl haters with that last comment.

:)

- | 12/16/2008, 11:05 am EST

I wish Tommy Hilfiger would kick Axl’s ass again

Phobia | 12/16/2008, 11:15 am EST

Seriously, this to me sounds like a huge attack on Slash. The way I percieve this article is that both Rolling Stone and Axl are lined-up against Slash. This may be rediculous to others, but for Slash to pull a song away when a bandmate expresses intrest in it is just plain moronic.

!!!! | 12/16/2008, 11:28 am EST

I agree it does just sound like an attack on Slash, truth be told no one really knows what happened with the whole Guns n Roses saga and I don’t think the media really help! But I prefer Slash anyway so maybe i would say that!

!!!! | 12/16/2008, 11:29 am EST

I agree it does just sound like an attack on Slash, truth be told no one really knows what happened with the whole Guns n Roses saga and I don’t think the media really help! But I prefer Slash anyway so maybe i would say that!

!!!! | 12/16/2008, 11:29 am EST

I agree it does just sound like an attack on Slash, truth be told no one really knows what happened with the whole Guns n Roses saga and I don’t think the media really help! But I prefer Slash anyway so maybe i would say that!

Slash Rocks | 12/16/2008, 11:29 am EST

I agree it does just sound like an attack on Slash, truth be told no one really knows what happened with the whole Guns n Roses saga and I don’t think the media really help! But I prefer Slash anyway so maybe i would say that!

Tha' Phantom | 12/16/2008, 11:52 am EST

Slash’s ol’lady runs him…He’s more concerned with the profits from Guitar Hero…(His Words…Made more than I ever made from GNR !!)…Not Making Music !! Adler’s using again…Hiding in Dark Corners Around Hollywood, Someone Call Dr.Drew !!!…Everyone wants or has a clothing line…I guess you need something when you can’t write music anymore…AXL Rocks, he’s got the name…get over it..It’s the past. Let the Music do the talking….. & Kids playing musical video games doesn’t promote new music or musicians……….just drones….I love what they all did in the past but the future is now & Chinese Democracy is here.

JP in CT | 12/16/2008, 12:08 pm EST

Who cares? This band hasn’t been relevant in 15 years and only really made one great record anyway. GnR will be (at most) a footnote in another 15 years and they did it to themselves with hubris and excess. If the R’nRHOF thinks they are worthy of induction they need to examine their criteria a lot closer.

Jacoby | 12/16/2008, 12:29 pm EST

JP…I think over 90 million records sold is plenty of criteria for the RRHOF…not to mention the records they broke while touring 91-93. How about all the hit singles, album charting…your an idiot for making that comment. GNR is still relevant after 15 years of silence as they had the #1 selling album in the world a few weeks back…nothing you will do in your lifetime will ever be close to as relevant to what GNR has accomplished. FACT

Bollocks | 12/16/2008, 12:31 pm EST

It’s laughable that people would say this is unfair towards Slash who’s spent the last however many years saying shit about Axl.

This has to be the first time Axl’s defended himself surely?

GrayFox117 | 12/16/2008, 12:47 pm EST

Wow!!!(sarcasm)…..What a article!(more sarcasm)……Axl Rose denying all of that crap?…. Noooo reallly…..Look, that was pretty cool of Axl to chat or blog or whatever with his fans at that site, but now that Chinese Democracy is out I think we all need to move on………….and yes clearly I need to take my on advice (this blog I’ve just posted)……I dont really care too much for he said, he said crap. I do find it strange how Axl would have such a widely open response to things that have be being said about him not just by Slash, but others he’s worked with right now all of a sudden…Hmmm interesting…And this is stuff thats been said about him and the things he’s done for years….I don’t think any of us needed Slash to put out a book to know that Axl is as crazy a fox, but that’s what we all love about that dude!…..Chinese Democracy is a “great” album…It’s not the “Jesus/masterpiece” album though that many claim it to be…..After this latest stunt by Axl, the only thing I really care about what he does next is to see him perform again with his original boys before they’re all too old and they look sad doing it.

O_o | 12/16/2008, 12:50 pm EST

It doesn’t matter whose side you’re on. GnR made amazing music when slash and axl were working together. Right now both velvet revolver and new GnR suck. Who cares what they said 15 years ago.

Jon G. | 12/16/2008, 12:57 pm EST

Yawwwwwwnnnn… who cares? This band mattered for their first album, and that’s ALL. Now, Axl is a yawn all by himself. Next?

Jon G. | 12/16/2008, 12:59 pm EST

P.S. The RRHOF inducted Madonna before even CONSIDERING Jeff Beck! That’s all I need to know.

Sun | 12/16/2008, 1:00 pm EST

IMO sales of Chinese Democracy have little to do with Axl vs. Slash, old vs. new GnR, or any other excuse out there.

People who are fans are predisposed to like CD. For those who liked a few songs of the old Gnr or were meh in the first place, this is not good music.

Which, of course, is a subjective opinion. As is yours when you say it’s the best thing you’ve ever heard.

Even FANS are saying they needed to listen several times to like the songs…and you really expect that to work with the general public? Naive at best. Not happening in actuality.

When most people hear a new song on the radio it either catches them or it doesn’t. You turn the radio up or change the station.

You certainly don’t listen several times.

That’s just the way it is for most.

This music is not catching on because unlike SCOM it DOES NOT catch you on that first listen.

Just an opinion.

gungadihn | 12/16/2008, 1:30 pm EST

Come on Axl, your a smart guy. All your heros (Zep, Van Halen, Kiss, Aerosmith) buried the hatchet. Chinese Democracy is great, but could have been an Axl solo album. Seems like the other guys in Guns are willing to swallow their pride, are you? Nothing would be more magical than to see you and Slash onstage together. I get chills just thinking about it. How about giving the fans what they want? We waited for hours for you to show up to gigs. We waited for years for you to release a new CD. We’ve shown our loyalty. Now swallow your pride and show yours. Nothing would be a bigger “F.U.” to the nay-sayers. How can you pass it up?

22 | 12/16/2008, 1:38 pm EST

He`s finally spoken his side of the story!!!Why not give him a chance to defend himself and his actions?We`ve been listening to Slash and Duff bash on him for 15 years, and nobody doubted them just because they have the image of cool, easy-going rockers.Axl has always had the worst press image, but it doesn`t necessarily mean he is the worst of them!
Actually,from what I read at the forum, his responses sound pretty honest and convincing.

22 | 12/16/2008, 1:38 pm EST

He`s finally spoken his side of the story!!!Why not give him a chance to defend himself and his actions?We`ve been listening to Slash and Duff bash on him for 15 years, and nobody doubted them just because they have the image of cool, easy-going rockers.Axl has always had the worst press image, but it doesn`t necessarily mean he is the worst of them!
Actually,from what I read at the forum, his responses sound pretty honest and convincing.

22 | 12/16/2008, 1:39 pm EST

He`s finally spoken his side of the story!!!Why not give him a chance to defend himself and his actions?We`ve been listening to Slash and Duff bash on him for 15 years, and nobody doubted them just because they have the image of cool, easy-going rockers.Axl has always had the worst press image, but it doesn`t necessarily mean he is the worst of them!
Actually,from what I read at the forum, his responses sound pretty honest and convincing.

Jen | 12/16/2008, 1:55 pm EST

I think this is a very biased article. It is made to read like Slash is some unreliable person who only has talent by following Axl’s lead.
I think we all know that Slash has a successful life with much talent, thanks to his own abilities.
Axl on the other hand, was holed up for 14 years making one record.
We can argue back and forth for days, but I think it’s unfair to make Slash look like he’s a liar and everything Axl says is true.
Did we ever consider that the huge number of people calling Axl Rose crazy could actually be RIGHT?
Slash may have been drunk during the 1990’s, but Axl has always been crazy.

Asian Olligarchy | 12/16/2008, 2:03 pm EST

These guys will keep feuding till they die. It’s the only way they can stay in the headlines. On the other hand, Scott Weiland just put out a fantastic solo record that is probably the greatest album ever!

Ray Finkle.

Herpe Jones | 12/16/2008, 2:05 pm EST

Here’s a question:

Does Axl love Sebastian Bach as much as Sebastian Bach loves Axl?

I submit the answer is NO!

Insider | 12/16/2008, 2:12 pm EST

y duff and slash never told the press that they were suing axl a few years ago?!?!?!?!

Axl, he speaks the truth.

Dante | 12/16/2008, 2:20 pm EST

Did someone here actually refer to Weiland’s recent “Happy in Golashes” as the “greatest album ever”??

distant | 12/16/2008, 2:24 pm EST

Hey Jen, you think its unfair that people might be accusing Slash of being a liar?…lol How do you think Axl may have felt for the last 10 years? People who follow GNR very closely like myself know that Slash’s stories have been different everytime he speaks. I’m not saying that Axl is perfect, but it’s time Slash gets what he deserves for making Axl out to be the bad guy for so long!

John Winston Lennon | 12/16/2008, 2:33 pm EST

Scott Weil … What ????????? Who is he ???

Paul Mccartney | 12/16/2008, 2:40 pm EST

I’m not a GNR fan , l just like some songs like “live and let die” (jeje), but I have to say Chinese Democracy is a great Album , You could be insane if you are not agree with that

einstein | 12/16/2008, 2:53 pm EST

They must to sit and talk. Axl win with Chinese Democray. Now is time to forget. Life is short. Very Short.

Anonymous | 12/16/2008, 3:16 pm EST

“People who are fans are predisposed to like CD. For those who liked a few songs of the old Gnr or were meh in the first place, this is not good music.”

Agree to a point– This new CD makes an ok solo record (kinda like a Mick Jagger solo record compared to a classic Stones record)but it’s MISSING the Dolls/Pistols/Heartbreakers side that Duff and Slash bring to their sound.

There are some good songs in there, there are some HORRIBLE sounds though that mess it up. Protools is not (and should not) be an instrument. All the trip-hop drum loops, bad synth sounds, nu-rock guitars, back up singers ruin this record..mostly

If you can think of this as an Axl record that is out between two REAL G&R records, then the offensive parts can be forgiven.

Perfect example is “Better” that starts off like pop crap, then turns into a good song, then the cheezy Nine Inch Nails circa 1993 guitars come in, then it gets ok again, then the end sounds like a Britany song, and then it has the drum loop in the background / fadeout.

Izzy, Slash & Duff would have kicked him in the nuts and “fixed” this before it went to the public (or at least out-voted him)

Anonymous | 12/16/2008, 4:05 pm EST

Personally, of the two of them, I like Slash more than Axl. But I don’t understand how you can honestly take sides here. Nobody’s ever really going to know what happened, because both of them are only going to say what makes them look good.

Papa Bear | 12/16/2008, 4:13 pm EST

Can you imagine spending 13 million dollars trying to get an album made and then the artist does not want to promote it properly? The executives at the record company could have signed a few great artists with all that wasted money.

Papa Bear | 12/16/2008, 4:13 pm EST

Can you imagine spending 13 million dollars trying to get an album made and then the artist does not want to promote it properly? The executives at the record company could have signed a few great artists with all that wasted money.

Slash | 12/16/2008, 4:22 pm EST

I love Slash but he was a lying junkie for most of the 90’s. The guy’s heart actually stopped beating during their tour for God’s sake! In my experience, heroin junkies aren’t exactly honest.

rant?? | 12/16/2008, 4:40 pm EST

Why are we calling this an “online rant?” Axl’s comments seem to make sense as even the author notes. Maybe because he hasn’t given RS an interview!? As far as Chinese Democracy goes, it depends what you compare to. RS gives it 3 1/2 *’s and if compared to previous Guns work this is probably fair. However, if compare it to other bands in same genre, it’s closer to 4 1/2. Consider the crap the old men at ACDC are still puking out after all these decades. The title says it all, ‘Black Ice.’ Ooh, is it supposed to be scary! Will we slip and fall! Just a bunch of eldery men puking out the same old sexual innuenduos and rock all night crap. This is not rock n’ roll, it’s a sad joke! Compared with this and similar offerings from the hard rock genre, Axl’s album is very strong both lyrically and musically. And as far as Slash goes, his career has been a miserable failure since Guns demise!

Mykl | 12/16/2008, 4:50 pm EST

If the case was that there was no fight for the band name and such why would it take 17 years to make one album? Furthermore why would all members leave if one person (who happens to admire bands like NIN where there is really one single person as the driving force) is not forcing them out somehow? Granted Slash may not have the best memory due to all the shit he did, that still does not account for some of the stuff Axl says did not happen. More details, dates, names, third party witnesses and etc. would help. Why hasn’t any former crew members or management come out to set it all straight if there was no power struggle or one person does not control everything with GNR’s name on it and is willing to SUE SUE SUE if things are said? I wish the true story came out and case closed. If it then involved Axl suing someone then so be it, at least he could then give the money won over to the label to make up for them spending so much fucking money on a piece of shit album.
(Sorry but 17 years… “Contraband” was a way better attempt to follow up the Illusion albums and worth the wait… that is another thing are most of you mental that you forget Izzy wrote A TON of the GNR stuff, no Izzy: Axl sucks bottom line. VR had Izzy come in and listen to stuff and give advice from what I remember reading in interviews with VR and the man himself)

Mi | 12/16/2008, 5:05 pm EST

WTF ?
axl suck’s!

Sun | 12/16/2008, 6:14 pm EST

No, Axl does not suck. He has a unique voice and that alone needs recognized.

This is not personal against Axl, Slash, old guns, new guns, or any combination of those.

It’s the music. Does it grab you? Do you want to replay it? Listen again? Turn it up?

I listened. Once. That’s all that was needed. It’s either there or it isn’t.

When the word to sum things up for me regarding music is “bloated” instead of “Cool!” then that’s what it is. For me.

So far have played songs for a 52 yr old, a 47, a 39, a 37, a 22 and an 18.

Not one liked it. Not one will buy it.

And, one last thought, did anybody really consider that the sales numbers were a bit affected by those fans who bought 2, 5, 10, and 30 copies each?

mygnrforum.com = 30,000 members, most bought at the very least 2 copies. Makes the numbers a bit different, doesn’t it?

misc | 12/16/2008, 6:33 pm EST

Have you ever been friends with a couple and their friends. And then the couple breaks up. It’s the same with bands. The friends take sides of who they like more. Before you know it both sides are telling opposite extremes of the same events. The closest you can come to the truth is that both sides are somewhat telling the truth and somewhat exaggerating. It’s interesting to read I admit, but it only sheds some light.

Johnny Chimpo | 12/16/2008, 7:19 pm EST

This article would be much better if it were about Scott Weiland.

Ulysses | 12/16/2008, 8:41 pm EST

reunite already. make a rock n roll record. im sick of all the crap on the radio right now. all these emo kids and untalented cRAP atrists

O.J. Simpson | 12/16/2008, 8:51 pm EST

Axl Rose may be one of society’s most litigious people. He is constantly fighting some legal battle. I cannot imagine what his legal bills are like.

Peace Out A-Town

jam | 12/16/2008, 9:26 pm EST

Hey Sun, you could say the same for any band. All bands have forums and over the top fans who will buy multiple albums. You didn’t really get anywhere with that argument!

to Mykl; Del James from the band crew did speek out on what happened over the years (im sure you could google it). And his story sides with Axl!!

W. Axl Rose | 12/16/2008, 11:18 pm EST

I’m telling the truth.

Slash | 12/16/2008, 11:21 pm EST

I’m such a liar.

guest | 12/17/2008, 12:12 am EST

They were NOT “online rants”. Rose was answering specific questions from fans on a forum.

He talked about many things not just Slash…

Jay | 12/17/2008, 1:46 am EST

sounds like an Axl fanboy wrote this

hamletj | 12/17/2008, 3:47 am EST

All in all…he still sounds like a melodic gnat.

Einstein | 12/17/2008, 8:27 am EST

Ha! they start to talck. It’s began!!!!!!

thedetoxg | 12/17/2008, 10:51 am EST

u got to think of what not only axl but the team that was behind chinese democracy. but the album is pure gold in rock right now and if you dont see that you have a problem.. VR and GnR are 2 different bands and 2 different sounds but the original line up is simply untouchable with there sound live, groove, and attitude

lameculo | 12/17/2008, 11:54 am EST

this magazine is biased against Slash. and this two morons should make up an make a tour.end of story

Steve | 12/17/2008, 12:07 pm EST

Great rivalry. Two strong players fighting for fortune and fame pitted against another to create the true history and future of Guns N Roses.

I think the one lesson to take from this is not to take drugs. If Slash wasn’t a heroin addict he could have put up a better fight. His relaxed blase attitude is the perfect counter punch to Axls intense and focused aggression.

editor needed | 12/17/2008, 2:43 pm EST

man this piece has like 9 typographical errors

Jason Daniel Baker | 12/17/2008, 3:17 pm EST

Bands break up and get together all the time. The creative process is fluid but the human chemistry is not.

Give some of them credit for paying attention to the band name (brand name) and maintaining some sense of continuity and organization to enable the fans to continue to follow them.

As for the feud on can hardly look at Axl as the bully here. He once took a beating from Tommy Hilfiger.

creep | 12/17/2008, 3:37 pm EST

For all you who say this article is biased against Slash or some fanboy of Axl wrote it…lol Maybe their just stating facts? And welcome to the party…we have heard Slash’s side of the story and biased opinions against Axl for the last 10 years. It’s nice to get the other side of things.

Joe | 12/17/2008, 4:02 pm EST

Axl and Slah were thick as thieves at one time and now they are not. I dont care who’s wrong or right in this case. Slash has had 15 years and an autobiography to set his record straight and there is still plenty of doubt. It doesnt matter anymore anyways. Slash took his path and Axl took his.

gnrbuckeye | 12/17/2008, 4:37 pm EST

Did i seriousley see someone wrote this article would be better if it was about Scott Weiland? Who gives a crap about that junkee anymore. Go play in traffic.

trlbjb | 12/17/2008, 5:14 pm EST

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James | 12/17/2008, 6:24 pm EST

I vote for “This I Love” as song of the year. If not, song of the decade.

Its amazing, honest and real. To hell with all the critics. Give it a listen.

“Fall To Pieces” doesnt come close.
Im sorry.

Tom | 12/17/2008, 6:29 pm EST

I believe Axl.

Think about it. If you are under the influence of Heroin or heavy drugs, your recollection and perception of the way things are/were most def. obscured. I am a fan of Slash too, but at the height of it all- he was messed up. He says it in his own book.
Im sure paranoia and side effects embellished the truth of what inner turmoil was happening in the band at that time.

boatman | 12/17/2008, 6:49 pm EST

Turns out Scott Weiland’s new album is fantastic. In some ways better than Chinese Democracy.

Southern Comfort | 12/17/2008, 10:22 pm EST

True story. I interviewed Slash about eight or nine years ago at the Rainbow on Sunset. During the course of a roughly 20 minute interview, he drained numerous triple SoCo’s like an athlete pounding Gatorade after a game. It was enough alcohol to put any of us under the table, and this was over the course of only 20 minutes. He really could not have been a nicer guy. He was awesome. My take: I think it is realistic and believable of many of you to consider his memory of that time has to be compromised on pure alcohol intake alone. Not to mention heroin, coke, etc…
I loved his book, and think he’s an incredible guitarist. But, as eccentric and complicated as Axl is- he is making some valid points in these posts. His words seem genuine. Maybe Axl is truly as misunderstood as he seems to feel he is. One thing is certain- his talent as a rock singer is unmatched. How bout a video for “Better,” one long sit-down interview with Kurt Loder, an RS cover story, and a 30 city tour. He does that, this record will be over a million sold by March.

Jacoby | 12/18/2008, 12:38 pm EST

I love how people just blatently write false information…Who on earth believes that Tommy Hilfiger kicked Axl’s ass? The way it went down and 100% truth is that Axl moved Hilfigers womans drink so he would not spill it, Hilfiger then goes nuts and pushes Axl. Axl just stands there and laughs in the dudes face and he does some ninja/karate motion with his hands. How is that getting a beat down? Axl would have pummled the dude severely if they actually got into some sort of fist fight. The whole video and pics are posted on web, Axl hardly got a beat down….Tommy is very lucky Axl isnt the loose cannon he was 10-15 years ago or he would have gotten seriously hurt.

Axl | 12/18/2008, 3:39 pm EST

Axl’s gunning for Slash. If Slash has got any cred left, he should suck up his pride and apologize to Axl. The guy’s nothing without Axl. And now Slash’s cred seems shot to me. Axl was always the more sober guy, in any case. See any YouTube video. If Slash wants his glory days back, he better suck it up and APOLOGIZE. Else, he better hire MIKE PATTON as the new VR singer.

Primo | 12/18/2008, 5:45 pm EST

As far as personal issues are concerned:

I’m a friad it’s a case of “The boy who cried wolf”. Actions speak louder than words…How could I believe what Axl is saying after the temper tantrums; storming off stages, riots, late shows, canceled shows.

I’ve met Slash several times and he has always been kind, professional, and eager to hang out and talk. He has never been late for a show, nor has he ever canceled a show.

As for as the music goes:

Both men are key ingredients in one of the best albums of all time. I saw them in Lafayette, Louisiana on a early suport date for Motley Crew 1987. Changed my life. Anyone but those 5 guys…and no Appetite for Destruction. Right time, right guys, right attitude, right music.

Leonardo | 12/18/2008, 6:43 pm EST

totally agree with Jacoby …..also, Axl made Vince Neil run for his life…..that is the truth…Eddie Van Halen even offered to sponsor a fight because he said he would love to see Axl kicking Vince’s fat ass

tomservo8768 | 12/18/2008, 6:52 pm EST

It’s a shame that all this childish drama overshadows the music, which, by the way, is the most important thing!

Anonymous | 12/18/2008, 7:56 pm EST

I dont know which is right and dont care. I’m not a fan of either but Chinese Democracy is a great album. Slash’s stuff isnt even close. However, it’s like a fad for people to knock on the album and rant about how great Slash is. This album proves who the leader of that band was. The album is not selling though because someone was dumb enough to go with Best Buy??? AcDc goes with Wal Mart and gets big sales. GnR goes with Best Buy? That combined with the fact that the songs have been on the web for years is killing this album! But this is a very entertaining album and congrats to Axl!

sid | 12/19/2008, 12:20 pm EST

honestly,i really don’t know who to believe in this.but i think,both slash and axl should suck it up,reform the original ral hard rocking ass kicking GUNS N’ ROSES.not this new industrial dung.it’s really a joke.i think i speak for any and every gnr fan…we want them to get back together…now

Twister | 12/19/2008, 4:35 pm EST

Here’s another way to look at it. The face of GNR is Axl Rose, not Scott Weiland. I would have a harder time accepting Velvet Revolver being called GNR than I do with Axl using the GNR name.

Turlte! | 12/19/2008, 9:12 pm EST

I said this when I first heard G n’ R back in the day and I’m saying it now! They suck! they were the biggest Rolling Stones/Aerosmith Wannabe’s of all time! And this new stuff is horrible! Axl is the worst singer and the band is mediocre at best! Izzy was the heart and soul of that band and when he quit it was over, he saw the writting on the wall! Plain and simple!

Rocker | 12/21/2008, 4:48 am EST

I loved GNR back in the day and I enjoyed the new album and I did enjoy the 2 albums from VR. But in the end both Slash and Axl aren’t Angels, no matter how much they want to pretend. I can never believe either one of them on what happened to GNR, I’m not taking sides here!!! Too much cat fighting.

nawaf | 12/22/2008, 4:32 am EST

if its true that the VR song were originaly from the GNR sessions then VR had destroyed the song and the vocals aint that much, AXL was and still better then Scott, Slash my fav guitar player of all time but still i cant beleive most of the book that i read and enjoyed, its better for all these guys to just move on and live their own lifes away from all this shit, TH can never beat AXL

Carol | 12/23/2008, 11:19 am EST

Slash is a liar. Yeah, we must admit it. Slash is a liar. There were a lot of stories that I never believed because Slash contradicted himself a lot.

Carol | 12/23/2008, 11:28 am EST

I believe Axl.

I think Slash was very angry with Axl, that’s why Slash said a lot of lies about Axl.

Slash = LIAR

Rocker UK | 12/29/2008, 12:11 pm EST

Let’s take a reality check here.
Even the most sober people have trouble recalling events with 100% accuracy after 1 month nevermind 15+yrs.

Slash clearly was not the most sober guy……but the idea that Axl at that time always, or usually, was is just laughable.

So Slash & Axl used to get along & now they don’t.
Happens all the time.
Pity and all that but big deal.

As much as I like GnR & hard rock music I still want a degree of creativity & dynamism (which, in their day, GNR represented).

I don’t want museum rock, I still have the albums/CDs for that.

So, as much as reuninons can be fun (see Led Zep last Dec in London) it’s no substitute for genuine hungry art (that’s why I hope LZ do produce some new stuff).

Sadly I doubt a GnR reunions would ever be much more than a cash-raising effort to boost the pension-fund(s); the splits seem too deep to result in much worthwhile.

Maybe in another 10yrs.

Meantime I hope they all continue to create and produce their own music.
I’ve really enjoyed Slash’s solo work & Velvet revolver (seems like it’s heresy around here but I even really liked Scott Weiland & the STPs).
Chinese Democracy was good (if a little overblown).

Keep it coming guys.

Ryan | 12/30/2008, 10:08 pm EST

i would give anything in the world to see the original line up play together again axl is an amazing singer slash fits the band great and is an awsome guitarist shes got his own stlye. duff izzy and steven always kept it together well toher then the whole heorin thing.. i think these guys need to suck it up be men about it shake hands and welcome back the old amazing ass kicking hard rock GUNS N’ ROSES!! this is wat all the fans want chinese democracy isnt shit compare to the tunes they wrote back in the day

Brandon | 1/3/2009, 10:14 pm EST

Even if axl did refuse to go on stage unless the band signed the name away witch i dont think he did either way he should have the name He was the whole band. and if he did im glad because if not mabe velvet revolver would be G n R and who really wants a shitty band have a kick ass name like guns n roses.

Brandon | 1/3/2009, 10:18 pm EST

I would love to see G n R get back to the original band and im sure millions would to

GNR4EVA | 1/5/2009, 2:36 pm EST

Seriously, since when did people start liking Axl again??

on looker | 1/16/2009, 4:01 pm EST

this is nuts! these guys just don’t have it any more except for duff who is a genuine punk..as for axl or slash remembering anything, thats not very viable, but the argument creates publicity for both of them equally and helps sell their shit records. they once were rock n roll but now might as well be lawyers..exactly the opposite of what they once represented..they are hollywood buisness men and are a disgusting representation of everything that is wrong with the modern music world – all talk and no good songs..imagine if jimi hendrix was alive, sober and a fucking loser like these guys.wow..ps axl rose cannot sing..check out ANY live performance..rubbish

guitfiddler | 1/21/2009, 12:24 pm EST

Its like old Ben Kenobi said…the truths we cling too depend greatly on ones own point of view…or something.

that being said…I think that Slash and Axl are both crybabies. Who even cares? Its like two 6th grade girls bickering over who knows what 6th grade girls bicker over. Hopefully someday they’ll finally realize how wussy they both are and will split a Triscuit.

I love Appetite through the Illusions. Spaghetti…its ok. Chinese…not really resonating with me yet, but I think its a good album.

Cattrikk | 1/21/2009, 2:14 pm EST

idk, but seems a little one-sided to me? or uh, axl sided? but who really knows the truth…

im 17 | 2/6/2009, 11:31 am EST

guns and roses had other members than the guy in the band today? wow?

Scott18181 | 2/6/2009, 3:39 pm EST

Why does this article completely agree with axl on everything? Slash is a far superior musical talent and one of the best Guitarists ever..

JokerOC | 2/6/2009, 3:40 pm EST

Axl Fucking Rrocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

True Story | 2/7/2009, 12:54 am EST

It did happen one night, I got it form their head of Security.

He got them to sign over the name because they were all screwed up on heroin.

Axyl just drank and felt Slash or another could die any day and he would be in trouble.

RRHOF Reunion | 2/7/2009, 7:23 am EST

A reunion would be great, but hey – the egos are just too immense. If they’re gonna do it, they need to DO it before Adler freaking kills himself.

get a grip | 2/7/2009, 1:16 pm EST

I think that no matter what we say wont change whats going on now and slash and axl where way better together than they are now.
why does everyone want to know whos telling the truth and whos right? i doesnt matter now anyway whats done is done so like my name says: GET A GRIP and this is coming from someone who was obseesed with them had all there albums, t shirts, etc even a freaking tattoo but i know that if i wine and bitch about it it wont make things better. the only album i didnt have is chinese democracy because that aint guns n roses your listineng to it axl rose and a couple of other guys looking to make some money and just to finish things off buckethead is a idiot who jus plays fast and doesnt put his soul into it
peace out
bongobeater (xbox live gamertag)

Double The Rebel | 2/9/2009, 3:44 am EST

Ya know, Theyre just people. People who were able to translate the spiritual-musical notes at the right time to the world and made millions from it and are well known by the world. Theyre not immortal, theyre not gods. Just people. We act as if we know them. We take sides, but in reality, we dont know anything about them-let alone the truth behind all the accusations. Only they know. I too hope that one day they get back together cause the right stuff comes out when theyre together and life is short, so it would be nice to hear the music that would come out with the original members. Yet I am a great fan of Democracy, But everything else when it deals with the ‘people’ is just filler.

Damo from Australia | 2/13/2009, 7:14 am EST

Persolaly, I think Slash personofied everything that the Gunners were all about. Total debauchary and a “Don’t give a Fuck attitude” Axle comes across as a massive self absorbed wanker who has lost his way. I’m in Slash’s corner. Grest muscician, 1 of the best guitar players ever and an absolute legend!!

theone | 2/23/2009, 12:45 am EST

Maybe Axl has some point, really Scott left the band for the same reason. It happened 4 times for slash, changing his lead singers. Maybe slash has problems. As far as musical direction, Axl was right, slash’s writings on velvet revolver is poor, only focusing him on the band. Velvet revolver is basically about slash’s guitar solo. Axl knew this from the beginning, that’s what he means saying “The rehearsal tapes”. Slash mihgt not be the best guy to be around and has some ego, who knows? he had lost four singers past, still looking for new one. As far as musical direction SLASH IS CONTROL FREAK making music ONLY TO PUT ALL ATTENTION AROUND HIM. Songs like slither and she builds quick machines are the perfect example for that, guitar solos are the leading factors for those songs.

theone | 2/23/2009, 12:45 am EST

Maybe Axl has some point, really Scott left the band for the same reason. It happened 4 times for slash, changing his lead singers. Maybe slash has problems. As far as musical direction, Axl was right, slash’s writings on velvet revolver is poor, only focusing him on the band. Velvet revolver is basically about slash’s guitar solo. Axl knew this from the beginning, that’s what he means saying “The rehearsal tapes”. Slash mihgt not be the best guy to be around and has some ego, who knows? he had lost four singers past, still looking for new one. As far as musical direction SLASH IS CONTROL FREAK making music ONLY TO PUT ALL ATTENTION AROUND HIM. Songs like slither and she builds quick machines are the perfect example for that, guitar solos are the leading factors for those songs.

theone | 2/23/2009, 12:45 am EST

Maybe Axl has some point, really Scott left the band for the same reason. It happened 4 times for slash, changing his lead singers. Maybe slash has problems. As far as musical direction, Axl was right, slash’s writings on velvet revolver is poor, only focusing him on the band. Velvet revolver is basically about slash’s guitar solo. Axl knew this from the beginning, that’s what he means saying “The rehearsal tapes”. Slash mihgt not be the best guy to be around and has some ego, who knows? he had lost four singers past, still looking for new one. As far as musical direction SLASH IS CONTROL FREAK making music ONLY TO PUT ALL ATTENTION AROUND HIM. Songs like slither and she builds quick machines are the perfect example for that, guitar solos are the leading factors for those songs.

pomeissuene | 2/27/2009, 5:04 pm EST

Coool site, greate design!

UruguayoRockero | 2/27/2009, 7:45 pm EST

Q se junten algun dia karajo!The best band of hard rock of the history!

Extrhao | 2/28/2009, 8:52 am EST

Okay, first of all, Slash was not a founding member as he joined the band quite a bit later that the rest.

second Ch. D. Is a great album and i think it’s f***ing childish that record stores don’t put it up on the shelves when they have a GNR sale. They had the Album, they just didn’t wanna sell it. I had to argue with some fifteen year old (dressed up in the GNR shirt and bandana – full package) girl who clamied not to know what I was talking about. I had to threaten her (little me; 5′9 65kg; her huge) before she finally moved her lazy ass and opened a drawer FULL of the Ch. D Album.

that’s bureaucracy for you….

I’m not saying Slash is a liar, but his story has changed more times than I’ve changes socks in my twenty years of living.

He is a GREAT guitarist, when he’s SOMEWHAT SOBER. seriously, if you watch the old live shows, and actually listen instead of just staring at Axl’s legs, you’ll hear how much he fucks up. he even missed notes (or played them sloppily) on the VMA with Elton John.

no one can tell whether he was high or not, as he always hid behind his hair and wore that massive hat.

Of course Axl has a tremendous temper, but if someone threw something on stage, i’d be pissed too. he’s stopped concerts several times because someone threw something on the stage, and I’m not talking teddy bears. More like rocks. He said the band would walk off stage if it happened again, and it did.

I think he was entitled to do that. Just look at what happened to Bowie. a f***ing LOLLIPOP nearly blinded him. Imagine what a broken bottle or a rock can do.

And where id everyone get the notion of that Axl has been doing NOTHIING but working on ONE album for 15 years. he’s probably had other things to do. Catching up on doing normal stuff, like going to ball games, sorting things out with his sister and stuff like that. y’know, having a life.

Face the truth, Axl is damned good at hiding, and for all we know he might have a wife and kid hid away somewhere…actually, I think I can guarantee that there are some Axl jr’s out there….

and “fall to pieces’ could have been a great song, WITH GNR.

If I had been Axl, i would have done the same thing. if he hadn’t gotten the name, it is very likely that the VR-boys would have dragged it through the mud.

it’s better to release one good album over four medicore/bad ones.

As for the reunion, we can always dream.At least they’re talking now, even if it’s in the “you tell him I said -” kind of way.

Joey Mason from Anarchy 8.0 | 2/28/2009, 1:19 pm EST

Axl what the hell is wrong man??
Slash was kick ass guitar player for a wile.
You cannot deny that for that is the truth.
Axl you also have to admit slash did have the song idea before you.
Dont lie man.
No one likes Guns without slash.
You may hate who slash is in sucsess and be in jelousy of him but you know slash can still play some sick guitar riffs.

Joey Mason from Anarchy 8.0 | 2/28/2009, 1:29 pm EST

Axl
you are a bitter old man
Listin to me clearly
Slash is a better man than you because he is helping your name than disgraceing it.
All he said was that he’d like some cedit for the album.
But ur bitter old ass wont give it to him
because slash drunk has made more money than you ever will.
You are sad Axl

jackson180 | 3/1/2009, 1:22 am EST

no one besides the band and management would really know who is lying but if Slash is the big liar howcome Duff and Matt aren’t with Axl?

Jaz Borden | 3/5/2009, 2:11 am EST

Did I see correctly? “Contraband” was a better album to follow the “…Illusions” albums? Velvet Revolver is one of the most unmemorable bands in history. “Chinese Democracy”, while I agree that it isn’t really a Guns album, is a brilliant opus. Those songs have more emotion and feel to them than Slash will ever write in his lifetime. What has Slash done that’s great in the past 10 years? Don’t bother saying Velvet Revolver because that was a failure of a supergroup.

Bingala | 3/10/2009, 2:50 am EST

I am just happy we have Chinese Democracy. I can’t figure out people who say this is not Appetite!!! If you listen to the albums consecutively you might not even be able to tell when this album starts. There is the timeline effect.

This album is what I have been waiting for 14 years. Axl please don’ keep us waiting for so long next time.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 3/12/2009, 4:19 pm EST

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Let's Think About This One... | 3/24/2009, 9:17 pm EST

Sure. Slash had some questionable behavior while intoxicated, but I have complete confidence in his truth-telling abilities. I’m a pretty good judge of character. He was competent enough to be one of the best guitar players in history while on those substances, so he had to be at least mildly coherent. On the otherhand, sober or drunk, Axl was a little off his rocker. If you watch concerts, music videos, or even listen to the songs, you can see how things in the band change between “Appetite” and “Illusions.” The changes that are reflected in all of that are accounted for (and seemingly accurately) by Slash in his book.
Everything seemed to revolve around Axl’s vision. No matter what, Slash just wants a venue to play in because he’s happy on stage. Axl, by the mere fact that he has delayed Chinese Democracy for so long, is all about getting things done his way. Just by looking at his unstable behavior, why would anyone believe Axl? He has a lot more to lose/gain right now by making himself out to be the martyr. SLASH ALL THE WAY!

Eric | 4/2/2009, 10:43 pm EST

I can see Slash not remembering the Illusion tour really well.

I remember in his book, during the St. Louis incident, Slash writes that Axl left, and the band kept playing, then he was told that Axl wasnt coming back on.

If you watch the video on youtube, the band left the stage right after Axl left.

So you never know

ken | 4/10/2009, 12:49 pm EST

axel is full of sh*t. he was always late and was hardly there for those last sessions -every band member knows this. as far as the rehearsed tapes are concerned, of course they had just music. the band sent him the music they came up with because he was never there. again, axel is full of sh*t.

kyle | 4/13/2009, 3:14 pm EST

At the end of the day, SLASH ROCKS and AXL ROCKS they both need to suck it up and apologize to each other, stop lying and sort it out. they were like brothers back in the day but now biccering about stupid things like 2 girls i love there music and them and i just hope that they can sort it out and a band reunion of the original members would be F***ING AWESOME!!!. GNR FOREVER!

Black Hole Sun | 4/14/2009, 5:41 pm EST

Is it just me or does anyone else notice how pro-Axl this story is? True Slash’s memory may not be that of an elephant’s considering how heavy his substance abuse was, but that doesn’t mean he is incapable of accurately remembering anything at all, and I’m more inclined to believe Slash over Axl any day. Slash isn’t the only person to point out what a sneaky bastard Axl is, and the behavior he has displayed in front of the entire world over the years is consistent with what Slash says about him. Axl may not be an outright liar, but who’s to say he can’t bend the truth to his favor? And we all know what he considers to be perfectly acceptable in his head is actually considered wrong by normal people.

ALEX | 4/28/2009, 11:39 pm EST

I AGREE SLASH SHOULD APOLOGIZE AND BE PROFESSIONAL ABOUT IT AND AXL SHOULD STOP BEING A CRYBABY!

ALEX | 4/28/2009, 11:39 pm EST

I AGREE SLASH SHOULD APOLOGIZE AND BE PROFESSIONAL ABOUT IT AND AXL SHOULD STOP BEING A CRYBABY!

dealer974 | 4/30/2009, 6:22 am EST

im on slash way! axl seems to not respect him enough!!
i love all old guns n roses album!! appetite, the illusions,spagetti…this was the better rock band in the world for 7 years…this is for my the better hard rock performance with aerosmith!! there were a real band with slash and axl, 2 men really good,without forget duff and the others!! but we remind more of slash and axl!! and they go wich one in their way…!!
chinese democracy is a really good album too!! this is 15 year after!! the musik changed and this is better i think!! i think that it s better if they dont remake the band because i think the musik would be less exciting!
let s rock slash!!

houser54 | 5/5/2009, 8:49 pm EST

I said it before and i’ll say it again, Axle and Slash are just bigger than life when together. When they are apart they just don’t seem like they belong where they are. I wish both Axle and Slash would just forgive and forget and reunite GNR. Then maybe we can start hearing some kick ass music again like long ago. GNR rules (with Slash and Axle).

monkeybutt | 5/7/2009, 2:56 pm EST

Why don’t we all just f..k off. It is their lives and memories. We should just be grateful for the kick ass music they gave us and grow up. Axl and Slash are both great artists, so are the other members of GNR. At the end of the day we all will lay our heads down together. I can live with that.

dave | 5/14/2009, 10:07 pm EST

did something happen, i only went to the shop,what did i miss ha ha ha ha…

ALEX | 6/9/2009, 1:29 pm EST

IF YOU GUYS WATCH THE VH1 DOCUMENTARY SLASH SAYS THAT AXL DIDNT WANT TO GO ON STAGE SO THEY ALL SIGNED IT

Dorian Gray | 6/14/2009, 8:42 pm EST

Axl is a total asshole that sings falsetto!!Never had a real voice!!Anyone could have sung for that amazing line up with a half decent voice..cue Adam Sandler!!!Axl never gave a fuck about the fans!!Anyone whom had ever been to a guns and roses show knows that!!Summed up in one sentence…AXL YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE A JUVENILE “AXHOLE”!!!

The Rolling Stone Incident | 6/14/2009, 8:46 pm EST

HEY ROLLING STONE !!!CAN YOU LODGE YOUR HEADS ANY FURTHER UP AXL’S ASS?!!!I’ve Never seen anyone kiss someones ass from the inside but you clowns managed to do it!!Congrats again on your “un-biased”writing!!!!

Darkness | 6/24/2009, 2:18 pm EST

Slash your lie about ¨Axl forced me to sign¨ Hahahahahahah. This lie is so funny. You were so wasted that your didn’t care about gn’r. How much did you get for leaving the band? How much slash??? $$$$$

Anonymous. | 6/28/2009, 4:30 pm EST

I think the whole reason for the stupid split of the band was Axl’s undying passion for things to either go his way or not at all and Slash’s obscene drinking habits and tendency to be too under the influence to function. Both seriously just need to grow a pair, act their age, get the hell over themselves, and embrace reality.
Axl’s just some washed up piece of trash who can’t seem to understand that plastic surgery, a new crappy band under the name of an older talented one, and the ability to keep the same vocal talent through all these years doesn’t make him as awesome as he thinks it does. It just makes him a conforming son of a you-know-what.
Slash needs to understand that both of them made mistakes, lying gets you nowhere, and a friendly mix of drugs and alcohol can truly destroy your life (and, clearly, friendships).
BOTH made mistakes. Enough of this “Axl rocks, Slash can suck it,” “Slash is the man, Axl’s a whiny little girl” crap. BOTH are at a fault. BOTH are what’s wrong with one another. Honestly, if they BOTH could just make ammends and call off this petty little fued, they’d probably realize that it was all just a bunch of drunken, overly controlling, immature bull that went on when they were younger.
And if not, then we’ll all just have to look back on GN’R as a group of people who didn’t realize how amazing they were together and how short their individual talents fall in comparison to the unity that once was.
Whatever.

Anonymous | 7/1/2009, 4:09 pm EST

Black Hole Sun said it very well!: “Is it just me or does anyone else notice how pro-Axl this story is? True Slash’s memory may not be that of an elephant’s considering how heavy his substance abuse was, but that doesn’t mean he is incapable of accurately remembering anything at all, and I’m more inclined to believe Slash over Axl any day. Slash isn’t the only person to point out what a sneaky bastard Axl is, and the behavior he has displayed in front of the entire world over the years is consistent with what Slash says about him. Axl may not be an outright liar, but who’s to say he can’t bend the truth to his favor? And we all know what he considers to be perfectly acceptable in his head is actually considered wrong by normal people.”
Also, what most forget (or aren’t aware of to begin with) is that Slash has kept daily journals for most of his life, so it’s not like he has to remember back 15 years or anything. He just has to look up what he wrote back then, when it was happening.
One guy has been in hiding for the better part of 15 years, the other guy has had the guts to be “a part of society” in that time, consistently sharing his talent with the world and is a champion of several great causes. He also kept sticking up for Axl in his book, whereas what Axl says about Slash makes me cringe that I ever looked up to him (Axl).

Josue | 8/9/2009, 6:45 pm EST

He said he said who cares; I love this band to death and i wont indulge in their feud I just want them to reunite and make the same good pure Rock which is badly needed in this time and age

Destiny | 9/23/2009, 12:29 pm EST

i love guns n roses

Justin | 10/15/2009, 7:56 pm EST

People, lets get a few things straight, axl rose is an amazing singer/songwriter, no doubt about it, slash is an amazing guitar player and songwriter, but together they just wernt compatible. regardless of what people say about slash’s drug taking, it never once affected his performance on stage or rehersals, where as axl was missing rehersals and turning up late on gig’s from the begining. You cant doubt axl for his showmanship but the guy is just impossible to work with. i bought chinese democracy by the way and people who are saying its one of the greatest hard rock albums in the past 5 years . . . please,CD was a big let down, just goes to show who really made guns n’ roses, slash,izzy,duff. regardless of what people say true guns’n'roses fans know whos to blame here. SLASH RULES!!!!!

Justin | 10/15/2009, 7:58 pm EST

DARKNESS – your talking crap. slash didnt get anything for leaving guns if anything he lost out, check your facts first before writing sh*t you ‘know nothing loser’

New Post | 10/29/2009, 2:59 pm EST

Who is the idiot that wrote this article? The author is obviously assuming things he/she cannot possibly know and is clearly siding with Axl. The sentence in the paragraph: “Did Slash play it for Axl, only to pull it when interest was showed? PROBABLY.”–unmistakably shows that the author has no REAL knowledge of the inner workings of Guns N Roses and is simply stating his empty-headed opinion.

billybob | 11/3/2009, 6:51 am EST

For someone who rejects the claims that he would not go on stage unless he was given the rights to the name, he sure does know alot about law he would of been breaking and the possibility of law suits that would of been filed against him. I personally believe him as his lawyer surely would of told him this and i am sure all the other band members were that out of if it they just handed him the rights.

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