Chances are if this were a tune off his solo album being used it would be a non-topic.

Why is it that when bands can no longer write a decent hit because their minds are clouded with egos and finances, they start picking at their label and blaming suits?

Yeah, record companies are over and the internet is king, but don’t blame the hand that not only fed you but introduced you to the world.

I’m sure Virgin is equally as pissed, I can hear them now: “Start writing hits again and we’ll put up with your whining and outdated ideas of music.”

You know you are no longer relevant when your new product is rehashing rare tracks that have no bearing on current trends.

MY ADVICE TO BILLY: Sell your posessions and remind yourself of what it’s like to be hungry. Maybe you will write again.

Why does it take so long to post comments? Print media is dying day by day, do you really want to lose another thing to myspace? Post instantly! This is the 21st century for christ’s sake!

The 90’s were a complete farse, all the “been real” ideology that 90’s acts predicated were a lie, rock bands did wherever record executives told them to do and then die for it, worst, Billy Corgan, he was the first artist piss off at his record sales, saying that he was disapointed of his fans becouse his record din’t went to number one, materialistic ass***e (somebody call the 80’s).
-Chris Cornell started doing music for James Bonds movies, you know, like Sheena Easton and Duran Duran (ouch!).

-The weird and very bizarre Marlyn Manson is doing the same thing that very common (and immature) people do.

-Remember that live clip were Eddie Vedder screams at the camera “turn off those lights this is not a tv studio”. Guess who’s doing now multiple tv studios apareances and many music videos? Mr. Pearl Jam himself.

-Hole vocalist turn in to a she freak, crazier then Michael Jackson, (with lots of surgery too).

-Radiohead are turning in to a cartoon of themselves trashing the new music scene (Artic Monkeys), you know like sir Elton John before.

All this artists were the ones who point a finger at the industry past, they used to talk down at the 80’s music, now they are the industry and they are doing the same thing everybody does in the mainstream: suing, divorcing, blame their labes, trashing the next generation, asking for more $$$, you know, good all selling out, utleast the 80’s were straight forward about it!

The 90’s were a complete farse, all the “been real” ideology that 90’s acts predicated were a lie, rock bands did wherever record executives told them to do and then die for it, worst, Billy Corgan, he was the first artist piss off at his record sales, saying that he was disapointed of his fans becouse his record din’t went to number one, materialistic ass***e (somebody call the 80’s).
-Chris Cornell started doing music for James Bonds movies, you know, like Sheena Easton and Duran Duran (ouch!).
-The weird and very bizarre Marlyn Manson is doing the same thing that very common (and immature) people do.
-Remember that live clip were Eddie Vedder screams at the camera “turn off those lights this is not a tv studio”. Guess who’s doing now multiple tv studios apareances and many music videos? Mr. Pearl Jam himself.
-Hole vocalist turn in to a she freak, crazier then Michael Jackson, (with lots of surgery too).
-Radiohead are turning in to a cartoon of themselves trashing the new music scene (Artic Monkeys), you know like sir Elton John before.
All this artists were the ones who point a finger at the industry past, they used to talk down at the 80’s music, now they are the industry and they are doing the same thing everybody does in the mainstream: suing, divorcing, blame their labes, trashing the next generation, asking for more $$$, you know, good all selling out, utleast the 80’s were straight forward about it!

People on this blog love to call out bands for not being “relevant.” Who the f*** cares what’s relevant, just listen to what’s good! This Bor-Gan Corgan guy talks about not having “bearing on current trends”… man, if you’re worried about the latest popular trends, check out the iTunes top 10 and download the new Fergie single or something. Some people make music cause they like music, not because they want to make a musical fashion statement.

corgan’s right, virgin’s in the wrong. and it’s good that the pumpkins aren’t gonna let them off the hook so easily. corgan finally has his band back (in a sense), and he shouldn’t let his old record label push him around.

and i disagree about corgan not being able to write a hit. that is nethier here nor there. god knows he’s a very prolific writer. i think he’s writing what he wants to write.

He’s at least attempting to stick it to the man. The record company has power in this scenario, but an artist should have control over how his music is presented.

I don’t see a good argument for the 90s being a farce, at least not any more than any other decade in music. Was anyone expecting major label bands to change the world forever? They couldn’t do it no matter how hard they tried. The 60’s is as close as we ever got, and those artists all “sold out” or faded away, too. It’s naive at this point to expect otherwise. The music industry has been a ruthless business for decades. And, it has never had much integrity to latch onto.

I sense as much genuine inspiration in 90s music as I do in music from every other decade. I see integrity in their work. It was grittier and closer to the sound and spirit of classic rock than was most of the glossy, shallow-minded hair metal (and much of the rest of the 80s music). They can’t possibly do it forever, so what did you expect?

I also don’t see what good it would do for these artists go homeless or starving to make a point. The record companies would simply let them die, because they don’t care at all. The 90s rock couldn’t last forever (except in playback of the recordings). No movement in music ever takes over the public consciousness permanently. But I have little doubt that many of the bigger bands of that era had as much dedication to integrity to their art as it gets in that business. It may not be much, but nobody else can honestly claim to be doing better in that regard. At least, no one of any major impact.

This is as real as it gets in terms of fighting for artist rights. So, my hat’s off to Billy for fighting the good fight.

the smashing pumpkins are great…yes, all their records sound pretty much the same, ha!

“artistic integrity” was lost looong ago…billy is just pissed bc he doesn’t want to seem mainstream or cooporate…he’s just the same. not off beat like he wishes…

i don’t think their integrity is completely lost…but it is definitely in question, especially with their latest album.

definitely don’t think their records sound the same. i think that’s part of why i think they do have some integrity left. i think billy’s about moving forward. i respect the fact that gish is not like siamese…mellon collie is certainly not adore. if anything, zeitgeist and machina are the two albums with the most in common, in a way.

He looks like a pissed off Charlie Brown in that pic…..(well, I guess he always looks like a pissed off Charlie Brown….despite all his rage, he’s still just a rat in a cage)

So my last post got some flak for caring about the relevance of an artist.

I get the point. I do. I am in a band that has had nowhere near the same success as SP and essentially I do make music for myself because only a few hundred people know it.

But I think that a duty of an artist is to shake things up. You hate the new fergie single? Start a band and blow it off the charts.

That’s what SP and other ninties bands did when they rocked MIchael JAckson off of the Billboard 100.

Zwan and Zeitgeist (both Z obsessed projects) didn’t sell anywhere close to SP at their most inspired.

I just think it’s cliche when artists’ sales slump, they start suing and bitching like that will inspire young fans. Metallica vs. Napster anyone? Take it back to the early days when you had something to prove.

If you are engaged in the national dialogue of popular music, which Corgan wishes he was, if anything to sustain his former lifestyle and financial obligations, then you should care about being relevant.

Otherwise keep making demos for your mom and your dog.

And for the record, I did like “Clumsy” it was a big step forward for Fergie.

I didn’t know James Carville played guitar!

I like everything about music. I like Rock, Heavy Metal, PoP, Ragie ok not Ragie, Blues and anything that has to do with an artist and the music. If you listen too and watch, the Smaashing Pumpkins DVD “1991 -2000, you would never underestimate their message.

How did they get this photo of me?

Step Back From The Ignorant Views(Your Own Opinions) Of Corgan’s Recent Releases: He is the artist and his art was used without his permission. Possession is 9/10 of the law…Enjoy Coca-Cola.

i may be naive for saying this, but i would venture to guess that the sales of zeitgeist have nothing to do with the lawsuit against virgin. at least, i hope the suit has nothing to do with the less than stellar sales.

i mean, virgin has proved to be prohibiting in the past. when are they gonna let billy release the last pumpkins show at the metro?

billy shouldn’t have to deal with a former record label taking advantage of his band. no matter how minor the incident may have been.

I love the person down the list a bit (obviously) that said “all their records sound pretty much the same” – MORON! Do your thing Billy!