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Kim Deal Says No New Pixies Album “Because I Don’t Want To”

12/7/07, 3:06 pm EST

When Rock Daily spoke with Breeders leader and Pixies bassist Kim Deal recently about the Breeders’ April 8th album Mountain Battles, Deal didn’t shy away from talk of a new Pixies record: She says there won’t be one (with her on bass, at least). “Helll no,” she says. “Because I don’t want to.”

Her reasoning? She’s a music fan who doesn’t want to hear new albums from bands she enjoyed years ago. “I heard the last Rolling Stones record was good,” she explains. “The thing is, I don’t even care if it’s the best thing they’ve ever done, I just wouldn’t listen to it. And it’s not anything that they’re doing wrong. As a listener, I don’t want to hear about it. I like the Stones at this period of time that I like them, and that’s why I like them. Maybe I’m an elitist, but I don’t feel like I am.” Deal adds that on some level, she thinks Pixies leader Charles Thompson (a.k.a. Frank Black) doesn’t really want to make a new studio album either. “I was kind of waiting for Charles and [guitarist Joey Santiago] to get together and do demos and they never did.”

Her reluctance to record with her first band doesn’t mean she didn’t get a kick out of their 2004 reunion tour — or that she wouldn’t do it again. “I enjoy doing the tours,” she says, musing on the number of groups who attempted similar reconciliations in the wake of Pixies’ extremely successful trek. “It worked for us because we didn’t have to fit into the black leather pants and do the high kicks. Because we never had black leather pants and we never did high kicks. We were overweight and ugly then, and we’re overweight and ugly now, so it really wasn’t a stretch. Nobody looked at us and thought, ‘Oh, their youthy dew has gone.’ Other than their hair, that’s about it.”

But Deal did undergo a significant change before Pixies’ reunion: she stopped drinking. In fact, work on Mountain Battles began even before she entered rehab in 2002. When she emerged, she was nervous about writing clean. “That was a really scary thing, because I thought everybody who gets sober begins to suck,” she says. Rehab, however, was a necessity because she’d been doing drugs since age thirteen. “Somebody said this and I recognized myself: I wasn’t a musician with some drugs in the room, I was a drug addict with some musical gear in the room.” After a tumultuous stint at 2002’s All Tomorrow’s Parties festival (”I thought I was going to fucking die there. I had really bad shakes, and I was drinking so much”), Deal scheduled herself a trip to rehab over Christmas.

She was subsequently totally sober and healthy on the 2004 Pixies tour, and made the decision to rejoin the band with a clear head. “Me and Joe agreed, okay, what we’ll do is we’ll just get into a practice space and try it,” she says. “And if it sounds stupid or it feels stupid, we won’t do it. Charles was touring a record, so me and Joe and [drummer] David [Lovering] got into a rehearsal space out in L.A. I drove out there in my Volvo, we used the Breeders’ rehearsal space, and it was the three of us, and it sounded exactly the same as it did. Exactly. For better or worse. Me and Joe were like, is this good in that we’re so good we can sound like ourselves, or is this bad in that we haven’t grown one inch musically?”

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Black Francis | 12/7/2007, 3:40 pm EST

I actually agree with what she has to say. I do wish the Pixies would tour again, because I didn’t get to see them in 2004.

Cringe Benefit | 12/8/2007, 7:18 pm EST

Kim makes sense to me.

This Monkey | 12/8/2007, 8:07 pm EST

Don’t get me wrong, I love The Pixies and even kind of understand what she’s saying. BUT… Aren’t The Breeders a little past their prime and still releasing albums?

Bandido | 12/8/2007, 11:26 pm EST

Well, Pearl Jam are well past their prime, but that doesn’t seem to deter them from flooding the world with their Mock Rock Shlock!

reeel deeel | 12/9/2007, 11:54 am EST

there is something to be said about rock stars being past their prime. there is also some freakishly good music put out by some of these so called has-beens. joey ramone’s solo album. david bowie’s last few albums. patti smiths last few albums. bob dylan. neil young. iggy pop (maybe not “skull ring”, but the two prior discs.) if tey had all taken the ill advice of kim, we would have missed out on some great music.

topo | 12/9/2007, 5:57 pm EST

IMO, it’s really no use to make a reunion if there’s no new album. A least they should try, and if it’s a bad record, it’s just a bad record, no harm done ! And she’s clearly wrong when she says BF didn’t want to make a new record. He did want, but nobody trusted him.

mikeky | 12/10/2007, 1:05 am EST

she’s full of shit.

it’s about the money. tours make money, so she’ll do them. records…well, they don’t make money nowadays. so she doesn’t want to do one. typical alt-crap. she’s wearing the cool alt attitude–more alternative than thou–, but she’s really just whoring herself out like kiss or ashley simpson.

get real.

Jungleland | 12/10/2007, 7:50 am EST

You HAVE to love Kim. Honesty and not an ounce of bullshit. Plus she is right, a new Pixies CD would never be as good as it needed to be.

Black Francis’ new CD is amazing

Russell Burlingame | 12/10/2007, 8:03 am EST

I disagree with this. Frankly, to discount new content from a band because they’re old (not “past their prime,” as she pointed out that she didn’t care if “A Bigger Bang” was the best thing the Stones ever recorded), seems arbitrary and short-sighted. The fact that she wants to apply the reasoning to her own band is her own lookout, but as a listener of their music it’s a drag.

Megan | 12/10/2007, 9:15 am EST

I absolutley love them to death and would love to see them live again. But i think shes right in saying no new album. Looking forward to the breeders tour

Smyrna | 12/11/2007, 11:11 am EST

Sobriety breeds humility and ego-quests seem less compelling. Great to hear Kim’s positive thinking and obvious resepct for herself.

I Heart Kim | 12/12/2007, 12:41 pm EST

As much as I’d LOVE a new Pixies album, she’s probably right. It just wouldn’t be as good. Anyone who heard Bam Thwok would have to agree. It didn’t have the same raw, strange energy. It didn’t change anyone’s life the way Surferosa or Doolittle did.

I’m psyched for the new Breeders album though. Hopefully it keeps the lo-fi rawness of Pod.

streek0 | 12/14/2007, 8:41 pm EST

“BUT… Aren’t The Breeders a little past their prime and still releasing albums?”

Exactly. Their last good album was like 10 yrs ago. Do another Pixies album, it would be great. Frank Black still writes great songs (now as Black Francis again).

wiggle-stick | 12/15/2007, 9:27 am EST

replace the fat b1tch.

cat | 12/16/2007, 9:32 pm EST

give credit where credit is due kim is amazing. Maybe she doesn’t want to record an album with the Pixies because she has issues with the band.

Sammy Rocket | 12/20/2007, 5:09 am EST

Lifes too short, the Breeders suck. Make another Pixies album!

Paul | 12/23/2007, 2:42 am EST

Breeders are the best band ever. Keep it up.

Deedee | 1/6/2008, 9:27 am EST

Kim Deal ROCKS, as does Frank Black/Black Francis and the Pixies, past, present and any future endeavors. Along with the Beatles, they are the most innovative musicians ever. Countless bands have paid homage to,or been influenced by,their brillance.

Arrow Hall | 1/26/2008, 9:14 am EST

I long for the days of Pixies playing at Masonic temple.. and long for more of the life defining Pixies music from my past.. but kim’s right, I don’t think that type of music would define who i am now.. and i would never want the Pixies to be anything but the Pixies who defined me at that point in my life.

Dany | 1/28/2008, 6:28 am EST

Too bad, really. Frank Black (or Black Francis) still writes amazing songs and Kim (along with Joey and David) still can sound like the Pixies. I was really hopping a new Pixies album would eventually be made. Sounds like it won’t. Why? Because Kim thinks no one would care. She might be right, but let’s be honnest : how many people are holding their breath for a new Breeders album? Not that many, really (even if I’m one of them). Oh well, at least I’ve seen my favorite band ever (with Eels) perform live on their reunion tour (twice….seemed a little obbsesive for my friends at the time, but it looks like there won’t be other occasions, so I’m glad I did). And new Black Francis and Breeders albums will be welcome (why dosen’t anybody cares about records like Title TK or Honeycomb? They’re great).

El Stupido | 3/25/2008, 10:25 pm EST

Did anyone download BAM THWOK?! That’s reason enough to not have a new Pixies album. Seriously, as much as I want a new album, Kim’s got a point. A new album would suck. It doesn’t sound like the others really want it anyway… On the other hand, Mountain Battles which I’ve just listened to is frickin awesome. They are not past their prime at all. This new album is their best one so far…

appie | 4/1/2008, 6:15 pm EST

Oh come on people. Don’t blame a musician like Kim Deal for doing live acts and selling her music.
What she did with the breeders was more than just a few songs. They deserve more respect.

Sara Giesbretch | 6/19/2008, 2:23 pm EST

I love Kim Deal and I love the Pixies. I am listening to The Breeders right now, as I write this (I have to admit~ I do enjoy the funky sounds and weird lyric’s of Pixies better) And I agree with the comments, that The Breeders have not made an album in a long time, however, Kim said she had started work on the album before 2002, so it’s been a long time coming. As far as The Pixies making a new album… YES YES PLEASE!!! I would much rather see the Pixies tour again with new stuff (or old) than the New Kids on the Block or Back Street Boys… or the other zillion bands that are making a “come-back” for obvious money reason’s. The Pixies are classic and GOOD and that will never die, no matter what they were to create next.

DARIO | 7/18/2008, 2:14 pm EST

QUE LOS PIXIES VENGAN A LA ARGENTINA !!!!!

tnarG drawdooW | 9/9/2008, 12:22 pm EST

Think about how you and your life has changed since those early Pixies albums. You can’t expect the band to live in a continual stasis so that you can’t relive your youth once in a while. We all gotta move on. The Pixies kick ass in my opinion but if they don’t wanna record new stuff….they don’t wanna thats fine. lol

Alvaro (chile) | 2/12/2009, 12:51 pm EST

PLEASE.. guys… Just one taste of pie.. One PIXIES World Tour.. And please INCLUDE Sudamerica.. (and Chile)I dont want die without meet Pixies concert…You can do it!!

Anonymous | 3/9/2009, 7:25 am EST

I think Kim makes a fair comment.
However, i would like the pixies to make new material and if it’s not up to scratch don’t release it.

Pixies is god | 3/17/2009, 11:51 am EST

One tour in the Philippines Please consider this guys. JOey please bring your mates here man.

Thanks in advance!

bonemachinemeetsdivinehammer.. | 4/13/2009, 2:00 pm EST

As much as I love the pixies–can’t go a day without listening to them, butt I also can’t go a day without the Breeders!! Both bands have a magical aura about them…let the cards stand…Kim is doing her thing…writing and making new albums…she’s not on the side-lines and she never will be!! After meeting her at a concert you can just feel her energy and full-front “I’m into this.” She’s doing her thing, and all she does is a Magic-land to me….

Yv | 4/21/2009, 2:26 pm EST

I agree with Kim as well. As much as I love The Breeders, they never had as much impact on the music world than the Pixies did.

If The Breeders release a terrible album, it wouldn’t even affect that many people. But if the Pixies did, I think it would kind of ruin it (like how Metallica keeps releasing crap and it’s embarrassing for people who had been listening to them since the 80s to even say they liked them).

Also, to ask them to create an album and just not release it if it comes out bad is kind of a hefty request. It usually takes these types of bands at least a year to write, correct, and lay down the tracks.

Not to mention the fact that people would want it released anyway and would find some way to leak it.

MotTheWot | 4/23/2009, 1:04 am EST

Actually they are one band that just might get away with it. I understand what she says and i agree with her completely about the Stones analogy, i just can’t help thinking that the chemistry these four musicians have would make it work. A superb band.

Brixton The Cow | 4/23/2009, 5:18 pm EST

No matter what ANY of these guys do, they always do it best together. I think she’s using good caution in saying that comment about not doing another record. HOWEVER, I also think she needs to realize that unlike Metallica, they wouldn’t be beating a dead horse. At this point, even the Pixies B-Sides are amazing. The Martinis were pretty good, The Breeders were pretty good, Frank Black/The Catholics, even the Black Francis album pretty darn good. Frank Black’s “Teenager of the Year” just destroys me. But no matter what, they should above all do what they do best – make records together. Try telling Willie Nelson to stop making records. Not happening. The point is, you make music to MAKE music, not to revel on the past. Keep forging ahead, and that means MAKE ANOTHER RECORD! Even if it stinks (aka Metallica) you can still play your old stuff and get away with it! :P

zombabby | 5/15/2009, 12:20 pm EST

2004 Bam Thwok as good as all the rest just make more

Crackity Jones | 5/27/2009, 10:30 am EST

Shes pretty ignorant to say that. Plenty of bands may be “past their prime” but are still releasing great material: Pearl Jam, The Offspring, Iron Maiden, etc…

While the new stuff might not be the BEST they’ve ever done, it all still good, and par with the old stuff at least, even occasionally better. And it hasn’t destroyed the legacy of any of those bands.

It’s all a matter of how much you trust your band to still be creative, and she obviously doesn’t trust her bandmates.

Anonymous | 6/15/2009, 7:23 pm EST

offspring???? you lost me there.

imagoat | 6/16/2009, 6:24 pm EST

what if picasso quit painting after his blue period? u2 still putting out quality. i even still have faith in rem. artist create, thats what they do.

Oliver Neale | 7/25/2009, 9:34 am EST

Come on Pixies, do one more album. If it’s rubbish, then at least we know she was right and it’s time to call it a day. If it’s good… then cool :D

NZ Pixie fan | 7/27/2009, 2:07 am EST

Doesn’t sound like Kim’s completely closed the door on another reunion tour. I’d travel from New Zealand to the U.S/London if that ever happens again… one day maybe.

Mike Jennings | 8/18/2009, 5:03 am EST

That logic is such a cop-out. She has to know that we will buy anything they record sight unseen. It’s not about a time or place with the Pixies, it’s about the damn songs.

I’m curious what the real deal (sorry) is there.

Tony Ampersand | 9/1/2009, 1:48 pm EST

Kim is cool. Charles Thompson dropped the ball, maybe he should have not been so mean to her during the making of past albums.

Butthead | 9/3/2009, 3:19 pm EST

i wish there band didn’t have soo many issues. its a shame. they need to set aside there differences and do what they like best-play rock n roll music. when they come together, they truly r a spectacular band

PIXIES ROCK

Just Amy | 9/4/2009, 4:08 pm EST

Have you ever seen a band so in need of therapy? Perhaps that is why they are so good? Perhaps that is why they will never move forward?

NZ Pixie fan | 9/8/2009, 3:24 am EST

What are the chances. Watched the Pixies documentary for the 50th time a few months back. Feeling Nostalgic I spent the night on the web re-familiarizing myself and doing some research. Found this article and posted my sentiments 7/27/09 “I would travel to London, USA if they ever did a reunion concert”. Headline last week in the NZ Herald “Pixies announce one off NZ-gig” The Pixies are mine, my sister & brothers all time favorite band and we are “stoked”… Fingers crossed for getting tickets.

David Anderson
Dunedin

Anonymous | 9/12/2009, 1:19 am EST

I love Kim deal, but really, there isn’t anything that she does on bass that every other bass player couldn’t do. I’d love to see a new release from the Pixies in their original lineup, but I’d gladly accept some new music from a Kim-Deal-less Pixies.

camtra1 | 9/15/2009, 11:35 pm EST

“I love Kim deal, but really, there isn’t anything that she does on bass that every other bass player couldn’t do.”

—————– —– -

…everything except write a great rock song.

I agree with Kim | 10/15/2009, 9:40 pm EST

In regard to a new Pixies album: FB (Charles Thompson) is so far past his prime as a songwriter, that any new Pixies album would without question be worse than Bossanova. Kim certainly contributed to the Pixies songwriting, but I just could not see the two of them, or the four collectively, even *equalling* the quality of those songs on the original albums.

Ana | 10/24/2009, 3:16 pm EST

I the Pixies will eventually write and record a new album. And I think they are going to surprise a lot of people. I personally liked Bam Thwok, but it sounded more like a Breeders song than the Pixies. Keep in mind it was written for Shrek 2, so it was deliberately “childish”. I saw them a couple of weeks ago at the Brixton Academy and they have never sounded better. Francis’s voice was amazing and Kim was playing with utter glee. Joey was amazing and so was Dave. And anyone saying The Breeders are “past their prime” have not heard their past two albums, which coincidentally, are the only albums they have released since Last Splash. Simply amazing. “Off You” is one of the finest songs ever recorded. Both albums, Title TK and Mountain Battles, are ace.

Michelle | 11/7/2009, 4:00 am EST

The Pixies still rule for me because of Kim Deal!! I loved the performance on Konan tonight. But Kim Deal stole the show. Sorry for the rest of the band, her voice is so unique and amazing that you should bring it to the forefront. She so outclasses everybody else in the band.

My favorite song on the Coachella DVD is “Where is my mind” it starts out with Kim Deal’s “OOH – OOH”. Perfect pitch and beyond from there. I could replay that Kim Deal / Pixies song all day long and never get tired of it.

an insider | 11/8/2009, 1:40 am EST

Incredible. People speak with such ignorance, parroting rumors like its actually “facts” they’re spewing.

How do you know Black Francis was “mean to Kim”? She was an unstable, violent, terrible, stinking alcoholic and that’s really why the band broke up — her disease and unpredictability was sabotaging shows and studio sessions. No one else in the band had substance issues, so she could no longer be on the same page as her bandmates and instead gravitated to making music with her sister, a drug addict.

Also, Kim did NOT contribute hardly a note to the Pixies catalogue — nor was that ever the goal. She was hired by the song writer – Charles Thompson — to play bass to his compositions. The idea that somehow this ended up being a “slight” to Kim, the idea that he was some sort of control freak is total hogwash. Black Franics founded the freaking band as a vehicle for HIS songs. The fact that Kim developed impulses to write music herself, and launched her own band, is extremely cool, but it has NOTHING to do with what the Pixies was always meant to be about. She didn’t found the damn band.

I know people who’ve worked onPixies and/or Frank Black tours, and they have all said that he is one of the coolest and most generous guys they’ve ever met. All the drama about control issues and the Poor Kim scenarios are invented by conspiracy theorists.

connor | 11/8/2009, 1:44 am EST

The last two Black Francis records were fantastic. He’s totally got it in him to write a new Pixies record. Hell that band he has with his wife, Grand Duchy, has some of the magic of Pixies.

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