Fall Out Boy mouthpiece Pete Wentz and singer-songwriter Patrick Stump took some time the past few days for some real talk. On NPR’s All Things Considered, Wentz spoke at length about how he likes to mess with gender roles, then broke out an exhibition on how to properly apply “guyliner.” Wentz said he chooses to distort gender, taking it as far as subbing “he” and “she” in his lyrics and kissing his male bandmates onstage as a way of getting people to confront their own homophobia. Wentz cited David Bowie, Marilyn Manson and Kurt Cobain as inspirations for his sexual juggling act, and admitted that his gender play has led some to believe he’s secretly gay. “I would never come out and say I’m gay, because I’m not gay,” Wentz said. “There’s part of me that kind of wishes I was gay, and I think that comes from anybody constantly wishing they were in the minority and constantly wants to be fighting everybody off.”

The same day, Stump wrote to Absolute Punk to express his sorrow about the recent deaths of Kanye West’s mother, Donda, and Hawthorne Heights‘ Casey Calvert (he also cryptically referred to “horrible news of a tragedy I will keep quiet that happened on my own tour”). At the end of the post, Stump told fans, “I want to let everyone know, even the people that hate my band and say mean things every time someone leaks some ridiculously fake scandal and slaps my best friend’s name on it, we are all doing this little thing called music. That makes us family, however dysfunctional. Don’t take your friends for granted and hug your loved ones every chance you get.”

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