Could you help me. Thomas Jefferson once said, ‘We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.’ And ever since he told me that, I stopped worrying.
I am from Togo and now teach English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: “Looking for airline ticket? Airline ticket.”

With best wishes , Marisha.

9APjt6 U cool ))

criticism? yeah, it’s crazy to cry over spilled bottles.

:(only the best get bullied)”

Thank You, you’re absolutely right.

And the weak blow criticism out of proportion

rhcp

that pearl jam / nirvana / rchp triple bill a long time ago must have been kool. damn, i missed it.

(only the best get bullied)

RRD: In all fairness, if I nor MM’s are allowed to have our responses to inflammatory, slanderous, and insensitive comments about us are allowed to stand, for the sake of equality, fairness and courtesy, a post like “The Gorge” should not be allowed to stand either. Thank you in advance for your fair mindedness and empathy for our concerns. Thank You

In light of Pearl Jam’s “Jeremy”, I would like to bring further attention to the profound significance of the message in that song. I see a lot of “internet bullying” taking place at these comment blogs (mainly attention-seeking types, who misappropriate others’ statements).

Information about bullying can be read about at:

www.bullyonline.org/wor kbully/serial.htm#Attention

“Those who can, do.
Those who can’t, bully”

“It’s easy to recognize that your knowledge and education has probably been limited to American literature. It’s narrow-minded for you to assume that other international readers and commentors are undereducated and unread. British literature is heavily read and studied in my country’s education system. If you lack the capacity to understand and accept that, you are the one who is blinded to the rest of the world.”

It’s too bad that once again, you’re completely incorrect! I received a Master’s Degree in English Literature and I didn’t start reading Bukowski until I was just about finished with graduate school.

I studied English Literature, American Lit, and translations of World Literature. I read all the modern American “beat” poets including Ginsberg and Kerouac.

So for me to say that Bukowski is the most important writer that I’ve ever read, comes from someone has worked very hard to get a degree in one of the most challenging disciplines in academia.

You so often tell me that I make these assumptions about you, it’s obvious that you are very much guilty of the same thing.

All I can say is that Bukowski is the 20th Century’s Whitman. Despite your dislike of me, I think you should read Bukowski and judge for yourself, instead of your constant bitter sniping in my direction.

Actually, you’ll probably conclude that he was just a dirty old man, who was a gambler, a drunk, and a womanizer. A shallow conclusion which you are no stranger to with regards to everything else you TYPE about.

I am an educated man, but I also know that I’ve only begun to scratch the surface. You do not know me at all, but I am certain that I have a much firmer grasp on who you are, than who you have on who I am. Because I never hear you comment on much of anything.

Instead, all I hear you do is REACT and MORALIZE about someone else’s opinion whenever you feel you have some sort of need to express your RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION, by whining or by disguising yourself as someone else, so you can attempt to hide while still expressing more of your moral displeasure with others, which is a really weak and cowardly thing to do, I might add.

Dewey Decimal | 10/11/2007, 1:53 am EST

“It’s pretty easy for people who are unsophisticated and not well read to be dismissive about Charles Bukowski’s importance.”

It’s easy to recognize that your knowledge and education has probably been limited to American literature. It’s narrow-minded for you to assume that other international readers and commentors are undereducated and unread. British literature is heavily read and studied in my country’s education system. If you lack the capacity to understand and accept that, you are the one who is blinded to the rest of the world.

i don’t know who that pretentious chuck butfuckowski pest is, but it’s time to get the raid out and flush him down the toilet.

book clubs are for geeks and the bukowski topic does not interest me. no apologies.

Who’s this Chuck Butfuckowski?

Chest Rockwell | 10/11/2007, 9:39 am EST

“steal from yourself?

It’s illegal to steal, period.
That’s why it’s called “stealing”.”

Somebody must have stolen your brain.

“it’s illegal to steal from yourself in the US, is it not?”

steal from yourself?

It’s illegal to steal, period.
That’s why it’s called “stealing”.

you’re welcome, book club. imagine that, thanking a pearl jam music listener. time permitting, i might read some of the literature which you have recommended reading. thanks for the info.

that’s right they are my concern. that’s while I’ll contine to discuss his work here.

BTW, I just finished “Hollywood.” That is the funniest novel I’ve ever read. It’s all about the insane happenings that went into the making of a film about his life. It’s amazing that this is non-fiction! I can’t imagine how someone’s real life could be so bizarre as Bukowski’s was!!!

there’s also a movie called “Factotum” that stars Matt Dillon as Henry Chinaski (Bukowski) as a poor working stiff who bounced from job to job while still struggling as a writer in anonymity.

I just want to thank the Pearl Jam poster who, with his/her comment, opened the floor to discuss Bukowski and his work. Thank you.

It’s well worth it for someone to spend $12 to $15 on one of his books and be opened up to whole new universe of ideas and thought, amazing!

if i was to make a suggestion as to where to begin, i would say “the last night of the earth poems” is a great place to begin. after that, i guarantee you’ll be hooked!!!

Dewey Decimal | 10/11/2007, 3:33 am EST

“ummmm . . . I hate to tell you this, Shakespeare is from the 16th century, not the 20th.”

I was referring specifically to your comment which stated:
“It’s pretty easy for people who are unsophisticated and not well read to be dismissive about Charles Bukowski’s importance.”

ummmm . . . I hate to tell you this, Shakespeare is from the 16th century, not the 20th.

enough with bukowski already - it’s not required reading material in all highschool, college and university courses. there are literally thousands upon thousands of different authors’ books to read. why don’t you discuss the topic with your local library book club buddies.

So is Shakespeare.

It’s pretty easy for people who are unsophisticated and not well read to be dismissive about Charles Bukowski’s importance.

He is considered by very many literary historians to be the most important and influential writer of the 20th century.

I guess it’s easy to miss that if you consider literature to be a book you picked up in the check out line in a supermarket.

quick one | 10/10/2007, 3:06 am EST

“Since you are on an U.S. blog, you are also free to comment on (almost) anything you like as well!”

Don’t kid yourself - there is a lot of censorship on this blog, although I can also understand some of the legitimate reasons for it. You might want to try a less mainstream-oriented web site if you really want to exercise your freedom of speech. No wonder some of these commentors are so angry. If you really want an outsider’s opinion from an unbiased objective perspective, the US is quite a divided country. BTW - when is Pearl Jam going to tour again? They have a lot of fans in the north.

Oh yeah, and while your at it, instead of wasting your time preaching about your freedom on these blogs, why don’t you instead spend an enjoyable day chilling out with a cigar while ripping tracks from cd’s you have purchased…after all, it’s illegal to steal from yourself in the US, is it not? Freedom my as$.

What does nationality have to do with your question? Other than the fact that I probably have more freedom than you do.

“Nobody has the right to speak of anybody else’s soul”

what??? what planet are you from??? Better yet, what COUNTRY are you from?

In the United States, we have something called the 1st Amendment which gives me the right to comment on your soul, your face, your ass, or any other “your” that I may wish to comment on.

Since you are on an U.S. blog, you are also free to comment on (almost) anything you like as well!

spell correction: Bukowski’s work

You are trying too hard to argue with the wrong person on that specific topic. Perhaps there is a different web site discussion forum where you can exchange your ideas with others who are much more familiar with Bukowski’s writings. This is a Pearl Jam thread.

You are very judgemental of others. Nobody has the right to speak of anybody else’s soul. You will find the truth within yourself. Accept the fact that not everybody is familiar with Bukowoski’s work. However, you might learn more if you expand your interest in other authors’ works. Pearl Jam’s lyrics, or any other lyrics, for that matter, shouldn’t be compared in the first place. It’s not a contest - only subjective opinion.

that’s bullshit. PJ’s whole schpeel wasn’t just about lower ticket prices. what they wanted to do was to attempt to destroy a “monopoly” They somehow saw themselves as rock and roll jesuses who were going to topple a monopoly. it wasn’t about cheaper ticket prices, it was about a bunch of pot head musicians trying to prove to the world how tough they were. oooh look at us, we’re these fuckin’ renegades, we’re going to take an entire corporation down. it was about them, not the fans.

You just don’t seem to get this Bukowski business. You spew about how Gossard really gets Bukowski, and we take one glance at his lyrics and wonder if the guy ever read him at all.You make them out to be these saintly people, and when someone says they’re being phony you just ignore it.

do you really want to blindly trust some artist for claiming to have an erudition he really doesn’t have???

the thing that’s lost on you is you haven’t the first clue as to how great this author is.

he pretty much introduced the street prose style that everyone attempts to duplicate today.

the thing that you miss is that Gossard’s a fraud, because he doesn’t know a damn thing about a writer who supposedly respects, and at the same time he’s disrespecting someone who is in a completely different class than he is.

i’m sure if i was to argue about certain painters and showed a lack or respect for ones you thought i should respect, i’m sure you would be screaming at me in two seconds.

that’s fine. these guys are perfect, above reproach. whatever.

That Bukowski/The Outsider guy is going to self-implode from self-centered bitter anger. The world does not revolve around one author!

Pearl Jam’s reason for fighting ticketmaster was to lower concert ticket prices for their fans. They didn’t win that battle, but at least they tried…and despite it all, their concert ticket prices remain fairly reasonable.

I wonder how much carbon emissions there would be if Pearl Jam were executed by a firing squad?

And if so, would environmentalists be pissed? Perhaps so much so that they are also enraged with Pearl Jam and fire even more bullets at the band.

And then a bunch of the environmentalists’ buddies show up, see what the other environmental people have done, and now the newly arriving environmental people start firing bullets at the environmentalists who were already there firing bullets.

And then this chain just continues and continues until there’s thousands of dead environmentalists, dead members of the Pearl Jam fan club, and of course the 5 members of Pearl Jam.

Can you imagine all the blood, death and carnage, not to mention all the carbon transmissions from the bullets. blood, and dead people???

Would environmentalists and Pearl Jam now have to take even bigger blame for the expedition of the spread of global warming?

Will will happen to the environment, ticket master, the record label, and fascism???

Stay tuned!!!!

I hope this is taken the wrong way and it offends everyone, except peoople who share my hatred for Pearl Jam!!!

I would say this was a joke, but the people who will be offended take everything I say literally and completely seriously. I am their God and they are my abused slaves! So, fuck you, I guess!!!

RE: Ghandi

When you call a hyporcrite a hypocrite and then they run and hide, it speaks volumes. Hypocrite!!!

BTW, speaking of hypocrites. Whatever happened to all that shit about Pearl Jam not wanting to work with TicketMaster over some kind of high and mighty moralistic bullshit???
I guess they’ve finally made peace with their faces in the mirror and now happily deposit TicketMaster money directly into their bank accounts without hesitation.

I would imagine they are able to comprehend bank statements a lot better than they can comprehend Charles Bukowski!!!

pearl jam rocked at the gorge last year - 30 song setlist from their extensive catalog - they have really evolved as a band. one of the best live bands on the planet today, but you have to experience it to truly appreciate it.

You’re the one who brought up the Bukowski/ Pearl Jam thing in the first place. I’m not going to apologize for exposing Pearl Jam’s farce of a reverence and understanding that they have for such a great writer!!!!You don’t want to discuss a Bukowski/ Pearl Jam connection, don’t bring it up in the first place, “Outsider”!!!

Dear Bukowski,
Don’t you think you might be getting a little sidetracked? On topic…Pearl Jam also has freedom of speech. There are 2 sides to every coin, and unfortunately there will be backlash, regardless of which side you are on. These debates can be somewhat nauseating.

You’re right. If I were intelligent I wouldn’t ask you questions because I would have already known that you don’t have the capability to answer them!!!

I don’t speak on behalf of 90% of Pearl Jam’s fans. If you were so intelligent, you wouldn’t be asking me any questions.

that explains some of the fans, what’s your excuse for the other 90%?

so you do that “i just listen to the music and ignore the lyrics” thing???

So if their writing is so great why are they nipping from Chinaski’s bottle (And getting it all wrong!!!)???

Pearl Jam and their fans are not intelligent at all, they just completely believe their own bullshit.

The fans are full of shit, the lyrics are full of shit, and the music, THE MUSIC IS COMPLETE SHIT! Why don’t you guys find your own guitar sound rather than stealing someone else’s note for note.

Good players steal. Bad players plaigerize. If Jimi Hendrix had a college, both of these guys would be thrown out on their asses for plaigerism!

Stevie Ray, on the other hand, stole. That’s why he was a good player, and that’s why these chumps from PB and J are a joke!!!

Good Bye.

Pearl Jam gets their lyrical messages across to anybody who is NOT a moron.

Charles Bukowski | 10/8/2007, 2:46 pm EST

Hopefully these PEARL JAM morons will stop reading my stuff, so I can rest easily in my grave again!!!

Hopefully these morons will stop reading my stuff, so I can rest easily in my grave again!!!

“That guy used to look cool, now he looks like a computer salesman!!!”

HA!

I am just not a fan of Pearl Jam, but I like the new EV solo song they are playing on XM

Green F****n River!

green fuckin river

geez, youse all who are fighting about bukowski and pearl jam should go look at some internet porn and have a good wank. What a bunch of navel gazers.

WTF does Jeremy have to do with Stone Gossard coming off half cocked about Charles Bukowski?

The lyrics to his song “In Hiding” show that he doesn’t have the first inkling to who Charles Bukowski is. Probably, he (Gossard) was shown a few things by someone else, fell in love with Bukowski’s writing style, read a few poems, and then made wrong conclusions about his motivations for being a loner. Because he didn’t take the time to really get to know Bukowski’s true motivations.

He wasn’t a depressive, or someone who was afraid to leave his house. His choice to be a loner was a conscious choice, because he found most people to be utterly irritating, disappointing and predictable. If we see Gossard’s view of Bukowski to be very skewed and naive, it is our right to say so.

Hateful words? Do you really think that I want them to crash into a mountain? No. But since some people take some things so seriously and literally, I feel obligated to make them feel uncomfortable!!!!

If you feel the need to stand up for Pearl Jam, I have the same right to stand up for someone who was more of an artist than Pearl Jam can ever begin to aspire to be!!!!

Sorry.

You have brought attention, through your hateful words, why Jeremy still is a significant song which delivers an important message.

Dana A New York Doll | 10/7/2007, 10:54 pm EST

here’s to Pearl Jam being complete fucking idiots and not knowing WHAT they’re talking about!!!!

There really isn’t any proof that Bukowski knew Bono much more than he and his wife’s appearance at a U2 show.

Bono really loves Bukowski. And I really love Bono, despite Bukowski Jr.’s disappointment in me.

On “Born Into This” Bono does a wonderful job reciting one of Hank’s poems.

Read the “In Hiding” lyrics. Leave it to Pearl Jam to get a subject like Bukowski completely wrong. Bukowski wasn’t a hermit or a recluse, he went to the track practically every day. Bukowski didn’t like to have anyone around except his close friends or his girlfriends because he held the vast majority of people in contempt.

Pearl Jam should stick their songs about their convulted political and social views, and leave the interpretation of someone like Bukowski to people with actual gray matter.

Here’s to hoping that this band’s private jet will crash into a mountain.

I don’t believe that music or art should be competitive. Nobody is forcing you to like U2 or Pearl Jam, Bukowski.

Bono can go and downplay with himself!!!

It’s interesting that you’re trying so hard to downplay Bono.

Yeah Bono likes me too, but I still think he’s a whiny douche!

I read recently that Pearl Jam’s song “In Hiding” was inspired by the writings of Charles Bukowski.

Yaaaaawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn!

…and Temple of the Dog was Chris Cornell’s brainchild project and tribute to Andrew Wood of Mother Lovebone.

Nope, Mookie Blaylock was Pearl Jam’s original name. And yes, that is a very old picture of Stone.

Green River was the band that Jeff (bassist for PJ) and Stone were originally in together before Mother Love Bone, which was before PJ. They don’t sound too much like either of those bands.

Good Job rolling stone for taking a picture from the Binaural tour 7 years ago

So no more Pearl Jam touring for awhile? Thanks for not coming to Florida, guys.

Steve Earl and Billy Bragg are GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That guy used to look cool, now he looks like a computer salesman!!!

I thought “Green River” was just Pearl Jam’s original name. Oh well, who cares.

NYC The Atlantic Ocean

green river!