I don’t think anyone is “hoping” Bob will swing back to his born-again phase.

You media people have gained him back!

Hey, it’s cool if Bob’s into God. Maybe he can bring some new ideas and perspectives that that religion desperately needs.

Welcome home Bob. We love ya.

I hate it when Bob gets religious. Just means that he’s never going to give us the kind of observations on religion that can only come from someone stepping out of it and looking back in…

I’m not hoping Bob will return to his born again phase because he never left.

Bob never left the born again phase!

Ever heard of Jews for Jesus?

A Jewish guy obessed with Jesus?

“get real”, ever heard of Jews for Judaism ??

Welcome back, Bob. Let us know when you get to Hollywood, we’ve got a spot for ya.

Yeah, like The Apostles?

Maybe you’ve heard of them?

Welcome home Bob

Please leave Zimmy alone. He was borm a Jew, and what is wrong with that?

I’m an Irish girl, married to a Jew.

I don’t see any desparaging remarks about Jews here, nor do I see any desparaging remarks about Bob, for that matter.

Sometimes people see the word “JEW”, “Christain”, or “Muslim”, and automatically assume that people are up to no good. Don’t see that here at all.

Nothing wrong with being a messianic Jew either. But indeed it is false to infer or distort a record of Bob consistently acknowledging Christianity.

I believe he has always reaffirmed his place every Yom Kippur. And? I love how everyone presumes to triumphantly interpret his personal faith. Why not everyone drop the gossipy speculation. If there’s something he wants to share with us, you KNOW he will.

RE: Robert A. Zimmerman | 9/26/2007, 4:22 pm EST

“I believe he has always reaffirmed his place every Yom Kippur.”

“I love how everyone presumes to triumphantly interpret his personal faith.”

Sounds, a little hypocritical to me, Ace.

Your words, not mine.

BTW, don’t use his fuckin’ name!

whats the big deal here?
A good Jew goes to shul on the most important day of the year..head covered..is honored with an Aliyah…attends yizkor service to honor his dearly departed- AND goes every year…
what’s to discuss?

And then afterwards we like going shopping for all the good sales!

What’s the big deal? You know that in the end everything is just transit.

so we’ll be riding on a subway through all eternity? that sucks.

I don’t know what’s in his heart. But I think you can be Christian/Messiahnic Jew and still honor Jewish Holy Days. Afterall, even Jesus observed the Passover.

God bless Bod Dylan.

Once saved always saved.

Jesus was a Jew.

Peace,
Maggie

Bob Dylan is a Jew and has always been a Jew…he went through a “phase” as alot of we Jews do with evangelical Christianity…inevitably, most of us return to our roots. (It wouldn’t hurt for the “born-again” crowd to study Orthodox Judaism IN an Orthodox Jewish setting, rather than listening to the well-meant, yet off-base Christian teachers about our faith, which they know nothing about firsthand.)

When I’m gone don’t wonder where I be
Just say that I trusted in God and that Christ was in me Say He defeated the devil, He was God’s chosen Son
And that there ain’t no man righteous, no not one -Bob Dylan

BOB,YOU PICKED A GREAT OUTREACH PROGRAM,AND SHUL,WELCOME ABOARD.

Yea for Bob! I am not sure what the commotion is all about. He is being no different than Jesus and every disciple/apostle. They when to Temple every Shabbat(Saturday), every Yom Kippur, Succot, Passover, and Shavout as they were supposed to do.
Bob hopefully will become even more like Jesus and the discipes/apostles and become Orthodox Torah keepers as it says Mat:5:18-20 and Acts 21:20.
This would be fantastic, Go get-em Bob!

JC was born a Jew, lived his life as a Jew and died on a stick with thousands of others. He was not made into a g-d till many years after his death.
Bob was born a Jew, Lived some of his life as a few other thing but mostly a child of the sixties. Experimenting with many things. Bob will die a Jew, you can not just wash it off with some water. It does not work that way.
We gave you JC and we gave you a rock/folk star. But they were both and are both Jew and will always be. Live with it and respect it.

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I don’t think anyone is questioning that.

What I see being questioned -from your point of view- is Hebrew Christianity

BOB,DONT LISTEN,TO ANY BORN-AGAINERS,YOUR DOING THE CORRECT THING,GOING TO CHABAD,I SENT THIS
TO MANY PEOPLE,IN MY FAMILY,AND FRIENDS,THEY WERE SHOCK AND AWE.THE RELIGION,IS ONLY ORTHODOX,EVERYTHING ELSE IS FALSE RELIGION,BELIEVE ME.KEEP IT UP,COME TO THE PORTLAND CHABAD,A KOSHER STEAK,IS WAITING FOR YOU.

BOB DYLAN,THE 5TH LEVEL OF HEAVEN,AWAITS YOU,BY DOING ,MITSVAHS,GOOD DEEDS,ACTS OF KINDNESS,DONT LISTEN TO THE WARPED MINDS,OF NON-JEWISH ,BORN-AGAINERS,THEY HAVE NOTHING,TO TEACH YOU,ONLY A CHABAD RABBI.

Loder: You’re a literal believer of the Bible?

Dylan: Yeah. Sure, yeah. I am.

Loder: Are the Old and New Testaments equally valid?

Dylan: To me.

Loder: When you meet up with Orthodox people, can you sit down with them and say, ‘Well, you should really check out Christianity’?

Dylan: Well, yeah, if somebody asks me, I’ll tell ‘em. But, you know, I’m not gonna just offer my opinion. I’m more about playing music, you know?

Bob can be whatever he wants (you’re welcome) but an observation – if there is one Jewish holiday which Christians (and this includes so-called ‘Messianic Jews’) are NOT into, it’s Yom Kippur. It’s a totally irelevant day for them, because they think they get their atonement from Jesus. So, while they might have a seder, light Chanuka candles etc, I don’t think you’d find them in shul on Yom Kippur.

Jews for Jesus on Yom Kippur:

Yom Kippur can be somewhat of a conundrum to Jewish believers in Y’shua. Do we fast and confess our sins like the rest of the Jewish community or do we rejoice in the knowledge that we’re forgiven in Messiah? Many Jewish believers view Yom Kippur as a time for identification with our Jewish people, introspection for ourselves and intercession for loved ones, knowing all the while that Jesus is the One that makes us at one with God.

All you hardheaded ,people that can Questions,someones belief,and religion,worry about yourself,and dont worry,who attends CHABAD,leave Bob Dylan,alone,he could careless,of you,but his Spiritual,Guideness,he choosed,CHABAD,and he had no,Love for his Music Lovers,when he did so since 1991,hes looking after his own Soul,i Reccommend all of you,Dont stumble,and End up,With False Religion.

Bob Dylan is a Jew. Jesus, also, was a Jew. Born, lived and died as a Jew. The non-Jews made up stuff about him and turned him into a God, something he would have thought idolatrous. Bob has matured and realizes his roots and his soul is Jewish and he is in touch.

words and music by Bob Dylan

When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
Did they know He was the Son of God, did they know that He was Lord?
Did they hear when He told Peter, “Peter, put up your sword”?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?

When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
Nicodemus came at night so he wouldn’t be seen by men
Saying, “Master, tell me why a man must be born again.”
When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?

When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He said, “Pick up your bed and walk, why must you criticize?
Same thing My Father do, I can do likewise.”
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?

Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
The multitude wanted to make Him king, put a crown upon His head
Why did He slip away to a quiet place instead?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?

When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
He said, “All power is given to Me in heaven and on earth.”
Did they know right then and there what that power was worth?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?

When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
He said, “All power is given to Me in heaven and on earth.”
Did they know right then and there what that power was worth?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?

every man’s conscience is vile and depraved,
You cannot depend on it to be your guide
When it’s you who must keep it satisfied.
It ain’t easy to swallow, it sticks in the throat,
She gave her heart to the man
In the long black coat.

There are no mistakes in life some people say
It is true sometimes you can see it that way.
Bridge: But people don’t live or die, people just float.
She went with the man
In the long black coat.

The concept of Hebrew Christianity is a contradiction in terms. It simply is not possible. There are non-born Jews who enjoy the observance and celebration of our feasts and fasts (as many feel that it brings them closer to Jesus), but this does not make them Jewish. If I attend a company “holiday party”, sing “Deck the Halls” holding my parve eggnog and am handed a gift from under the decorated tree or a bonus money envelope in a stocking, do I suddenly become Christian because I participated in the comraderie of the festivities? While it may foster a closer unity between my coworkers and I, I am not suddenly a Jewish Christian for having been an active participant of their holiday festivities. Christianity is Christianity, Judaism (especially we Orthodox) is Judaism. I, too, compose both Contemporary Christian and Country Rock, knowing fully well what will speak/sell to each genre’s respective market. I am a female who composes from a male perspective. Using Bob’s lyrics establishes nothing, except that he’s a talented professional musician/composer.

…Peter is the man who Jesus said, “Upon this rock I will found My Church.”

Anyway, he was always saying things like that but when Jesus did go to the cross He did defeat the devil. We know this. We know this is true and believe it, and we stand on that faith. -Bob Dylan

I stated in my first posting, ALOT of born-Jews defect from the tribe to Evangelical Christianity for a season of time. Relatively few of us are famous, so the things we could be quoted as having said in those past lives probably won’t be thrown back in our faces on a website comment space. Unfortunately, Zushe’s comments are recorded on film and in print, and will follow him, regardless of the fact this famous prodigal son (courtesy of the Christian parable) has returned home, has been joyfully received back into the fold…fatted calf, anyone? It’s kosher!

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t it true that just because the Apostles took / mistook Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah, that does not mean that they thought he was God. Jews for Jesus (don’t get me wrong, ’cause at least one of them is a good freind of mine) are “Born-Again” Christians with skull-caps and prayer shawls; their concept of “Messiah” is, at least from a Jewish point of view, warped and therefore un-Jewish.

Myriad “messiahs” have arisen throughout the course of time and Jewish history that met the criteria our prophets set forth as markers. Jesus of Nazareth holds no exclusive rights to those. Much of the problem with Christianity’s “hold” on Jesus as “the” one is due to translation glitches from Hebrew and Aramaic into the 1611 English of King James’of England’s day. And, to further complicate things, most commonly-used translations within Christendom are modernized versions of the the KJV, rather than direct translations from the Hebrew/Aramaic. (Best example off the top of my head [there are MANY others] is the one Christianity uses to “prove” the prophesy that a virgin would conceive. The Hebrew word used there in Isaiah is not the Hebrew word for virgin, but rather simply young woman. Yet, in the year 1611, it was translated into English as virgin, and has been a problem ever since. The real miracle would’ve been if it would’ve read that a young man—virgin or otherwise—would conceive!) How much of this Bob Dylan knows, or even cares about is between he, his spiritual leaders, and whomever else he cares to discuss such matters with…those of us who have comes full-circle in our Jewish journeys end up appreciating our culture, or history, our faith and our niches within those much greater. I’m sure Bob will agree!

Kinderlach 7-

…And Jewish texts are based on African Myths!

And, “Get Real”, you base your belowmentioned statement on what…?!?

Hmmm…evidently, “Get Real” lacks the capability to distinguish between what is well-documented history and what is simply folklore…perhaps, he/she should do their homework before making outlandish statements as the one mentioned below. (African myth/folklore has nothing to do with anything we’ve been discussing on this thread.)

K7-

My previous comment was given completely in jest.

I find your tone and agenda towards Hebrew Christianity, Christians, and Mr. Dylan disrespectful at a minimum and ill informed at best.

Who asked for your lame by the book attempt at discrediting Christianity? Perhaps It wouldn’t hurt for the “Orthodox Judaism” crowd to study Christianity in a Christian setting.

The only thing Dylan’s attendance at Chabad on Yom Kippur proves is that he attended Chabad on Yom Kippur.

Additionally, anyone with an open mind would have to acknowledge the fact of Bob Dylan’s consistent involvement with both Judaism and Christianity. To equate his writing 2+ albums of Christian based music in addition to preaching from the stage for 2+ yrs with a Jew catching Christianity at a Christmas party is…

It also seems a pretty stupid move for Mr. Dylan to do so at the exclusion of his other material knowing fully well what will speak/sell to each genre’s respective market. That move didn’t do much for his career. Are you saying Dylan is an artist of his stature because he writes material aimed at specific demographics?

Lastly, who are you to speak on his behalf? It seems to me you are defending him against himself.

Hebrew Christianity exists. You sound like Ahmadinejad talking about Iranian homosexuals.

“Get Real”: Blah, Blah, Blah…you evidently have challenges with comprehension, as in no part of this thread did I endeavor to “speak for” anyone. Rather, I spoke from a perspective of one who was open-minded enough (in her past) to have actually embraced another religious culture (diametrically in contradiction to my own familial/people’s ethnic & religious identity for a period of time in my late teens/early twenties), having graduated with honors an earned degree in Christian Theology from a conservative Christian institution of higher learning, and returning to the tribe with a stronger Jewish identity than ever.

Gotta agree with Get real. Things kinderlach has written

“The concept of Hebrew Christianity is a contradiction in terms. It simply is not possible.

he went through a “phase” as alot of we Jews do with evangelical Christianity

Unfortunately, Zushe’s comments are recorded on film and in print, and will follow him, regardless of the fact this famous prodigal son (courtesy of the Christian parable) has returned home

things we could be quoted as having said in those past lives probably won’t be thrown back in our faces on a website comment space.

I, too, compose both Contemporary Christian and Country Rock, knowing fully well what will speak/sell to each genre’s respective market.”

Kinderlach would have people think that her opinions are fact and that her experiences are the same as BD’s.

Not necessarily so!

Nearly all statements can be pulled from the framework of their surrounding context and their excerpts quoted in an attempt to prove a point of accusation or used in an endeavor to establish a point. Only statements kept within their original context and used within such have any validity. The topic of the article this thread is supposed to be about is Bob Dylan’s Yom Kippur aliyah. What those unfamiliar with Orthodox Judaism may not realize is that born-Jew or not, Bob Dylan would not have been given the honour of ascending to the bema to pronounce our traditional blessings over a parsha of Torah-reading if there was even the slightest possibility that he also presently adhered to Christianity in any way, shape, or form. (As with other things I have stated, proper research will affirm this. Your answer is as close as your local telephone directory. Ring your local Chabad House or orthodox synagogue and ask to speak to the rabbi.)

Chabad Lubavitch has some remarkable goals and a great deal of influence. Read about them from a highly critical perspective by googling:

“Merry Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!”

Give it up, Jews for Jesus people. Judaism and Christianity are incompatible. The original followers of Jesus didn’t believe in a Trinity like “Messianic Jews” and the rest of the Church does. It’s true that the first Christians were Jewish. So what? Did you also know that the first Protestants were Catholic? Yes, that’s right. But you don’t hear Catholics who convert to Protestantism calling themselves “Catholics for No Pope”. Jews who convert to Islam are called Muslims, not “Jews for Muhammed”. Trying to make the Christian religion more palatable by dressing it up in a Jewish costume is an insult not just to Judaism, but to Christianity as well.

Also, if Bob Dylan still believes in Jesus as a Jew, there would be reports of his having attended a “Messianic” congregation. There haven’t been. Only Chabad – who aren’t particularly fond of Christian missionionary activity among Jews.

Even a cursory listen to Modern Times will find Mr. Dylan referencing Christianity.

All very interesting. That Dylan has a strong Jewish commitment, I don’t doubt. But it bears mentioning that twice in July ‘07, and once again in August, he sang in concert, “I Believe in You.” I find it hard to believe that he did that just because he likes the melody.

“I Believe in You”… Isn’t that a love song?

mit ain touckas nist tanze twze chasanahs.

you can be of the jewish religion or you can be of the christian religion the two are totally different. taken outside of the real world and just looked at from a purely theological basic SUFI ISLAM is a lot closer to the jewish religion than the church of rome and it’s idol worship and trinity. In reality from a theological out look j4j is a anti semitic org. (saying that the jewish religion isn’t valid is anti semitic) can’t you just leave jews alone? there are more than enough none believing gentiles to keep you missionaries busy for more than a life time.

Everyone wants Bob to reaffirm their own Spiritual choice.You know what If you love Dylan pray for the health and well being of him and his family. Let G-D speak to his heart in Christian, Jewish or Druid and listnen how he, or she speaks to yours.