so Spector may get off because a moronic jury cannot understand instructions?

Well, look at the O.J. Simpson jury!

Its so obvious to anyone with a brain that this man klled that woman.DUHH! You really can buy your way out of anything in this country.

Hey Phil did you see my sports stuff?

So there is a mistrial and they begin again at square 1 and do it all over again; or he pleads guilty to a lesser charge. It is unthinkable that the charges would be dismissed.

OJ Simpson | 9/20/2007, 4:30 am EST

DID you think you can take MY SHIT?
Did you think you can take MY SHIT? MOTHERFUCKER???

Of course Spector is guilty of murder. We all know what he did to The Beatles’ “Long and Winding Road”.

If the jurrors can let this killer go home mabey they should do the time for the killing. What ever happened to common sense Can you use your brain or is it in jurror instrution not to think? Oh yeh when is the OJ BLAKE SPECTOR GOLF TORNAMENT TO PLAY?

If the jurrors can let this killer go home mabey they should do the time for the killing. What ever happened to common sense Can you use your brain or is it in jurror instrution not to think? Oh yeh when is the OJ BLAKE SPECTOR GOLF TORNAMENT TO PLAY?

REASONABLE DOUBT – The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty.
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IMHO there are two certainties in this case:
1) Clarkson is dead
2) Spector killed her

Guilty as charged!

Reasonable doubt? Phil has history of pointing guns at women, he admitted he killed someone, there is blood splatter on his shirt, and someone wiped the gun of prints. Wonder who that could be?

i’m sorry suzanne. i agree that phil was outta line for going behind the beatles’ back. but i think the strings and chorus sound beautiful. argree to disagree, eh?

I can”t believe this jury. After 5 mo”s of evidence & his custom changes, also what”t with the hair. Its a side show. H eis so quilty & if let off will do something like this again. Wait & see

I agree with Dave, William, and Suzanne (and love Suzanne’s humor but anyway): how many people, when faced with a suicide, grab a diaper, dip it in toilet water and shove it in the person’s mouth? AND try to remove the blood, and walk across the lawn with the gun in their hands, saying, “I think I killed someone”? Spector hasn’t been in trial, Lana Clarkson has. The defense put up quite a smole screen- to the point where the jurors obviously don’t know their asses from holes in the ground.

This is wrong. The only reason why they are deadlocked is because he is a celebrity. And celebrities can get away with anything, including murder. He is guilty, guitly, guitly and with all that evidence and his history they are idiots if they cant see that. I hope he if found guilty and gets life, but he wont, he will walk free like all the other celebrities and do this again. This justice system is a disgrace.

“This is wrong. The only reason why they are deadlocked is because he is a celebrity. And celebrities can get away with anything, including murder. He is guilty, guitly, guitly and with all that evidence and his history they are idiots if they cant see that. I hope he if found guilty and gets life, but he wont, he will walk free like all the other celebrities and do this again. This justice system is a disgrace.”

Right on! I’m SO disillussioned with the legal “system” as of late.Especially in L.A.
What message is being sent to others? Especially the kids…
“hey it’s cool to hurt,kill others”
“Don’t worry you were “once” a “great” {that’s open to debate by many music fans} record producer you can be cruel,sick,hell even kill someone and your “celebrity” will get you a free pass”?.

Please don’t let the little f@#$ walk…

“Hey ya Phil! hoping you’ll “be MY baby reeeaal soon.”

It must be a case of the Insane (Jury) judging the Insane (Spector)to allow him to go free.

Guilty of course,but if he does the celebrity walk there is some consolation in knowing the lawyers will have bled him for millions with millions more in the event of a re-trial,or more hopefully an appeal.

man… that bitch dont cry! All bitches gots to listen to their man! Thats the order of Supreme allah

She was sitting in a chair by the front door. She had her purse on her shoulder. She had her coat on. Duh. She didn’t want to die, she wanted to LEAVE. I hope he is forced to give up his giant castle to his poor wife, and live the rest of his life in a cracker box of a jail cell.

Geez, where was the wife? He’s bringing women home and he has a wife. Wonder if she’s ready to take all and divorce this fruit loop!

Psst,Phil doesn’t know I ‘m posting this.
I just wanted to say Phil is just the greatest!
I’m the envy of every 20 something.
I ask what girl wouldn’t want a 65 yr.old sadistic,bald,hurtfull troll of their very own?
And his lovemaking?
Omg,after Phil takes his 10 viagra it’s the best 1 min. you could ever wish for!
And of course he has only the coolest hanger ons,umm friends around.
So many great has beens to choose from,then of course there’s the never were’s who Phil validated by being Phil’s chum.

And do I really have to ask about the super cool makeover I’ve given him???
Jeez,with his new doo he is one swinging murderer,ugh, scratch that last thing.Phil says we mustn’t talk about that all that much.It will go away “quietly”.That’s what money is for.
Which brings me to that.
Just the icing on such a wonderful little pkg. don’tcha think?

What does it take to convict this character Spector. He deserves to be behind bars and has got away far too long with things that many without his $$$$ would have been put away long ago. If he is found “not guilty” or acquited, God help us all.

Oobly-doobly da doo-run-run!
Thanks to everyone who has supported me.
We haven once again proved that as long as you have some sort of past glory to carry you through WE can beat the system!
Did I find a cure for cancer? well no.Did I help the homeless?
Err,not really.
What I DID do is {over} produce
many classic songs!!! Isn’t that enough?
SO WHAT I make sure my “friends” don’t leave by considering their options at gunpoint?
I produced “Be My Baby” for god’s sake!!
I’m BETTER than YOU!!
Why? because I’ve got money!!!!
Oh, and I produced “Be My Baby”.

Listen she was drunk and wanted too leave… Oh wait that was my ex wife Ronnie. {I tend to get mixed up with all these woman}.Right,got it.
Oobley-doobley river deep the jury is high.
High on ME. Nudge,nudge,wink,wink.
So lana couldn’t see things my way… So what ? she was just a young struggling actress,I mean her life wasn’t worth anything …
Right?
I WROTE so many great songs,isn’t that enough?

how can convict a man that the evidence clearly shows he was not holding the gun? Wake up. This is not the OJ trail, hell they had overwhelming evidence but his ugly mug is still walking around. Phil spector did not kill Lana. He is just a introverted.

NEVER ENDING JURY INSTRUCTIONS/ JURY DELIBERATIONS

APPARENTLY NOW THE IDEA OF PHIL SPECTOR BRANDISHING THE GUN CAN NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE JURY

AND JUDGE FIDDLING IS ADDING NEW SCENARIOS AND HYPOTHETICALS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE JURY CONVICT PHIL SPECTOR

BY SPELLING OUT POSSIBLE SCENARIOS THE JUDGE IS GOING TOO FAR TO ASSIST THE PROSECUTION AND REGARDLESS OF FIDDLING DISCLAIMERS – IS A STRONG ADVERTISEMENT AND MESSAGE FROM FIDDLING TO THE JURY TO CONVICT SPECTOR

In addition Judge Larry Fidling is refusing to add the defense scenarios to the jury instructions – such as that Lana may have been playing with the gun (as she was gun savvy) and the gun went off accidentally when she was fooling around etc.

Also old Adriano DeSouza was protecting and distancing himself from the murder scene with his very good story and did not really hear anything at all and later became the State’s Puppet to gain his US working papers.

But only the Prosection’s side of events are going into the jury instructions after the original hung jury 7/5. And with deleted jury instructions and new jury instructions – Aren’t these proceedings biased? And the level of professionalism? – I would think get it right the first time or get off the pot. The Jury have had enough. They are not getting paid for this but the lawyers and the judge are!

The absence of gunshot residue on spector’s hands does not point to his innocence as he had an opportunity to wash his hands. Ditto lack of his prints on the gun which had been wiped down. The absence of evidence especially when it has been tampered with is not evidence of innocence.

There is ample evidence to convict Spector in my opinion.

THE JUDGE IS MAKING ALL US CALIFORNIANS LOOK BAD , BE SURE WE ARE NOT ALL FRUITS AND NUTS IN THIS STATE,SO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS WHEN U TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WERE BORN HERE IN CALIFORNIA,BY THE WAY WE ARE SOME OF THE MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!SURE I HAVE A HOUSE NEW YORK JUST FOR KICKS BUT THERES NO PLACE LIKE LOS ANGELES WE ALL ROCK HERE!! THE JUDGE IN THE CASE THOUGH IS MAKING LOTS AND LOTS OF MISTAKES AND REALLY STARTING TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK FOOLISH, LET PHIL GO HE IS INNOCENT. THE JUDGES FUDAL EFFORTS TO CONVICT PHIL ON THESE CHARGES WILL NOT WORK,GIVE IT UP JUDGE THE JURY HAS ALREADY DECIDED OK THEY ARE HUNG THATS IT ACCEPT THIS LIKE IT OR NOT. WE ARE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY HERE NOT SOME BARBARIC THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WHERE THEY DO AS THEY PLEASE!!! GIVE IT UP EVERYONE PHIL IS INNOCENT THATS IT!! LET ALL THOSE LOOSERS IN HIS LIFE LEAVE FOREVER SET HIM FREE PRAY FOR HIM HE NEEDS ARE PRAYERS!!!BY THE WAY MY SON IDOLIZES PHIL, HE ALSO WANTS TO BE A MUSIC PRODUCER LIKE HIM, LET THIS GOOD MAN LIVE AND BE HAPPY! LIZ ROBERTS

while lana was not a close friend she was a friend. she was kind, sweet and always had a warm smile. she didnt kill herself. he killed her. he was wasted and didnt want her to leave. hes done this to other women so many times before. there was no exit wound so there was not a lot of blood on the ass so he may go free. its horrible to watch this toxic man go free….wish for the best. its not over..just not looking good. hope the jury comes to their senses. if only they could imagine that it was their friend, their sister, their cousin in his house; they would have no doubt that he did it. what is wrong with them??? he ran out of the house saying he killed her. can they be so stupid not to see that he did it and deserves to be punished? even 10 years for this guy would be a death sentence. fingers crossed.

There is still no verdict which means that the members of the jury aren’t certain Phil Spector is guilty. For me the only thing to do is to innocent him. Since the beginning of the affair I have never been convinced he was guilty. Please let Phil Spector go home; he’s not a criminal, he didn’t kill anyone.

“The absence of gunshot residue on spector’s hands does not point to his innocence as he had an opportunity to wash his hands. Ditto lack of his prints on the gun which had been wiped down. The absence of evidence especially when it has been tampered with is not evidence of innocence.

There is ample evidence to convict Spector in my opinion. ”

Ah,the voice of reason.
The whole scenario is so lame for Phil’s defense.
Clarkson’s had her coat on… She either never took it off {usually one does that if they don’t plan on visiting long} or she put it on “attempting” to leave soon.
Then being she’s had some trials/tribulations like 95% of people in life.She decides to either locate Phil’s gun,or when {if} he took it out play around with it on her own and in the process blow her head off.
K, so if the last scenario did take place HOW/WHY would the gun be SO f@$%ing “clean”. HOW would it land clean,right next to her leg.
Why wouldn’t Spector RIGHT AWAY call or have some call an ambulence etc
Why go “clean” himself up first.
Why would you ever make the statement YOURSELF “I think I killed someone”.
Not to mention his LONG ,WELL documented history of violence.Those who comment about the violence not having proof obviously have not done their homework.
I remember reading Ronnie Spector’s book when it first came out and thinking “well there’s always two sides to every story”.Then I through the years I kept stumbling upon various,unrelated Spector/violence stories with either woman,musicians.
The Ramones made claim that he kept them @ gunpoint during a recording of one of their albums.
He kept playing “Be My Baby” over and over again while drinking his wine. Is this normal behavior? Someone wants to leave in ANY scenario you let them leave…
Sure people might plead etc.But NO gun should EVER come into the situation.Someone who behaves this way has “gone over the edge”.
I betcha in a few yrs {if she still hangs around} Phil’s current wife will be going through the legal system relaying tales of violence etc while with him.
That is of course if she doesn’t wind up dead under ‘mysterious” circumstances.

Resolve: When someone has “gone over the edge” such as Spector people have the RIGHT to be protected from their actions,sending the national message it’s okay to be hurtfull,violent.

BTW-I own Spector’s box set,X-mas album and like much of the music he was involved with.
BUT this has NOTHING to do with “who he really is” as a person.

Fidler: Call the murderer & his team to the bench–pull out a semi & plug ‘em = instant justice & an end to this fiasco

“AND JUDGE FIDDLING IS ADDING NEW SCENARIOS AND HYPOTHETICALS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE JURY CONVICT PHIL SPECTOR”.

So? what’s so wrong with helping the mentally challenged understand different scenarios etc.
Some people need things suggested for possible consideration as their own mentality can not do so on their own.
Perhaps the judge has a hard on for Little Lord To Old For My Rug Inferior Complex.
So? MANY {most} people are sick and tired of creeps such as Spector{who’s violent,crazy hurtfull behavior toward woman} skating through life because of past glories {VERY past} that are merely of entertainment value.

I am thankfull {if this is in fact accurate} that the judge has the attitude “now we got the little f@#$,let’s try to convict him”.
Phil deserves some sort of lesson,punishment. Perhaps he’ll reconsider on how to interact with woman,people instead od of walking away “smirking” about how he got off.
SADLY i’m confident he will get off.
He’s got money,the whole thing will “go away” quietly.
Then you’ll ask yourself @ some point “whatever happened with the Spector case?.”
“Oh that? He was found not guilty so therefore he wasn’t”.
Right????

Damn,I’ m bummed with the legal system.Changes must happen.
It SHOULDN’T be this way…

Ya mean Phil wrote and produced famous song?
Wow,so cool.I only was aware of his bank account statements.
Jeez I hope I don’t wind up like Lana,that would be sooo uncool.
I let Phil do things to me with guns anyway.Keeps my little troll doll happy.

Scoobley- Doobley- Doo- Wah!
Hey everyone I’m working on a brandy new song just for this occassion.It’s not quite polished but I think it’s really good.

“Be my, be my baby
I got a gun
It’s here for fun

See it next to your head
Baby please don’t go
You’ll stay right?
You don’t wanna wind up dead?
Shoop,shoop,shout bama a lama
Love me do
Happiness is a warm gun
C’mon don’t be so cruel
Let lil Phil do things to you
Back off boogaloo
Don’t leave
Aren’t I the man of your dreams?

Shoop,shoop,shout bama a lama
Love me do
Happiness is a warm gun right
C’mon don’t be so cruel
Let lil Phil do things to you”.

Copyright Phil Spector 2007 Paranoid Productions

“THE JUDGE IS MAKING ALL US CALIFORNIANS LOOK BAD”

Nah,you’re doing a fine job all on your own.Your posts have been a great source of entertainment,thank you and keep up the good work.

wow!! glad u like it sweet!

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr . . . Right over your head!

I thank GOD for the Lizzys of the world.
She has offered very intelligent insight!
I thank the LORD for people such as her who have taken their time from jettsetting to come to Spector’s aid!
I PRAY that Phil get no sentence what so ever!
Lets all thank GOD for the Lizzys of this world!

BTW I’m an atheist

BY THE WAY MY SON IDOLIZES PHIL, HE ALSO WANTS TO BE A MUSIC PRODUCER LIKE HIM, LET THIS GOOD MAN LIVE AND BE HAPPY! LIZ ROBERTS

There’s offspring????
Help us all.

In spite of your atheism, I have heard you prayer. When Lizzy was created, I was on vacation. With Phil, everything started off okay, then, well . . .

As far as juries go, I’m not stupid enough to get caught up in such things!

Enjoy the Weather

The Lord Your God

Howie Hubberman put me in Rachelles band before she met and married Phil Spector. Rachelle seemed intelligent and level headed..Hope All goes ok for the Spectors,,S.W.

“The only people really supporting Spector are has beens or never weres among his click.
Any sane person with a mentality can process the info. and see he is guilty as sin.”
Posted by: Winston O’ Boogie

Agreed,these hanger ons are forever present in someone’s life such a Spector.They feel “validated” being seen,commenting etc on Spector’s behalf.They’re hung up on who he worked with.They feel that much closer to The Beatles by being around Spector.Even though in their secret heart they either know he killed Clarkson or he was/is VERY CAPABLE of doing so.
Pathetic huh.

Do you folks not realize that the chauffeur de Souza testified that he was not sure if that’s what SPECTOR said? If he himself has a reasonable doubt about what he said, how can the jurors not have a reasonable doubt? There was also testimony that de Souza asked the police “What do you want me to say?” Souza was an illegal alien performing for his handlers so he could stay in this country.

“Do you folks not realize that the chauffeur de Souza testified that he was not sure if that’s what SPECTOR said? If he himself has a reasonable doubt about what he said, how can the jurors not have a reasonable doubt? There was also testimony that de Souza asked the police “What do you want me to say?” Souza was an illegal alien performing for his handlers so he could stay in this country.”

How is this relevent to Spector’s long standing violent history with threatening people with guns?
Totally remove the driver from the scenario and it still sways to Spector being guilty IMO.
Too many unrelated tales by non connected people PRE this inncident.

A. She was in the doorway wearing her coat. One usually has their coat on when they don’t plan on visiting long,or on their way out.
B. If she was contemplating one of the most personal acts a person can choose.Why do so at a complete strangers house.BTW 9-10 woman who do commit suicide are known to do so with pills,carbon minoxide,slashing wrists,sometimes hanging themselves.Most often NOT with a gun.
C.If she did in fact decide to commit suicide would the gun not go flying or land beind her,on her lap or somewhere “random” covered in her remains,blood etc.How did in land perfectly “clean” next to her leg?
D. If she was so depressed and down and out wouldn’t the prospect of a new “client” {Spector} be a source money {if we’re to believe she was a callgirl that is}

“The only people really supporting Spector are has beens or never weres among his click.
Any sane person with a mentality can process the info. and see he is guilty as sin.

Posted by: Winston O’ Boogie | Sep 22, 2007 9:23:26 PM ”

Agreed,these hangerons are forever present in someone’s life such a Spector.They feel “validated” being seen,photographed with,commenting etc on Spector’s behalf.They’re hung up on who he worked with.They feel that much closer to The Beatles by being around Spector.Even though in their secret heart they either know he killed Clarkson or he was/is VERY CAPABLE of doing so.

Pretty pathetic huh.

The “whole” crime scene was very much in Spector’s mo.
Someone came to visit,they want to leave he forces them to stay through violent threats,loaded guns{out of sheer fear for their life of course} or manage to get the hell out of there.
When you behave this way in life sooner or later something negative will happen.
Especially when you’re threatening people with loaded guns.
Clarkson didn’t make it out alive.
At the very least it was an accident.He should be punished.
Her life was just as important as mine or yours.
Maybe she didn’t produce hit records {should this even relevent} does that mean she should be dismissed so easily…

Pathetic huh.

Ya know the more I contemplate this case I keep thinking {playing devil’s advocate}.
If we’re to believe Spector’s story about her committing suicide.
He could of been cleared somewhat quickly…
She committed suicide.
He calls {or someone there} the police.
They arrive,see the gun bloodied,her remains on it etc.It’s not “neat”,it’s randomly located,messy.

He relays that she was playing around with it,or she did commit suicide.
It would be a least believable.
Given his history their might still be suspicion but it makes much more sense.

It didn’t go down that way because he’s lying.

Unfortunately the Neanderthals are still among us who don’t understand that no means no. These developmental retards think it is alright to club a woman or pull a gun on her to force her to comply with their one-sided wishes. Developing some lovable qualities is not an option. Therefore, it is much better that these throwbacks to the stone age practice safe sex and make themselves at home – alone. If they don’t, they are likely to find themselves the defendants in criminal trials and involved in protracted litigation, when not serving time in prison.

I was in the courtroom twice. Niether Howie Hubberman or Neil Zlowzour were in at the trial,,they had enough of Rachelles antics.

I asked Howie Hubberman what Phil Spector was like, after all Howie was the last guy to work with Phil Spector,,Howie did the show for Chelle (Rachelle Short Spector,, Now Phils wife.. Howie told me he worked with Phil because he put Chelle’s band together,,Ray B.

Howie Hubberman was asked to testify in trial 1 , I wonder if Howie will be asked to in Trial number 2 this fall ?