Patti Smith, Debbie Harry, Steven Van Zandt On Hilly Kristal and the Significance of CBGB

8/29/07, 3:28 pm EST

As Rock Daily reported earlier today, CBGB founder Hilly Kristal died in Manhattan yesterday after a battle with lung cancer. He was seventy-five years old. Though Kristal originally opened his Bowery bar in 1973 to showcase country, bluegrass and blues music, the gritty East Village club developed into the hub of 1970s punk rock and then gradually evolved into a spot for emerging bands to showcase their talents in the later Nineties. In the past few years, Kristal engaged in a very public struggle to keep his beloved club open, but he and his landlord ultimately failed to reach an agreement (read Rock Daily’s coverage of the club’s last days here). After Patti Smith stepped off the stage for the last time on October 15, 2006, Kristal carefully dismantled the bar, shipping its most precious pieces of memorabilia to Las Vegas, where he aimed to reopen the venue (notoriously nasty bathroom and all).

A few months prior, Rolling Stone spoke with Kristal about the club’s history. “I never did this as a point of making a lot of money,” he said. “I found it, or it found me, or we found each other, this new music. And I got to love these people and what some of them were doing, and of course, hate what some of the others were doing. You get very involved in getting these people who are trying to do something, especially this creative music, a chance.”

Here are some memories from artists who benefitted from getting a chance at Kristal’s club over the years, including Debbie Harry, Patti Smith, Steven Van Zandt, Talking Heads’ Chris Frantz and the B-52’s Fred Schneider (and click here for a photo gallery of bands performing at CBGB):

Debbie Harry: “I am very sorry that Hilly is gone. He was a big help to Blondie and to the New York music scene for many years. His club CBGBs has become a part of New York lore and rock & roll history.”

Patti Smith: “Hilly dying made a flood of things come back to me. On that last night [at the club], he knew that we loved him. He stood up and we saluted him. I’m not trying to romanticize anything because in some ways it was a shithole. The sound was crappy, there was always things breaking down and glasses breaking and people vomiting and the rats scurrying around in the back, but it was our shithole and that was the greatest thing. I’ve played a lot of places and it was the only place I’ve ever played that felt like our place. He had put the community on the map. It doesn’t matter where I’ve been in the world, people have CBGBs T-shirts. It’s not just some marketing thing. CBGBs wasn’t just about Hilly or the people who played there or New York City, it represented freedom for young people. To me the name CBGBs could be a slang term at this point meaning freedom. Hilly offered us unconditional freedom.”

Steven Van Zandt, speaking backstage at a Save CBGB benefit in New York’s Washington Square Park, August, 2005: “We started the Underground Garage [his radio show] for one reason: To support new rock & roll bands. That’s what we’re doing for five years. CBs has been doing it for thirty-one years. You can still go as a new band and play the club, because half the clubs are charging people now, really uncool. You can be a new band and be on the same stage as the Ramones. That is really cool. People come from Japan and New Zealand to do that. It’s not only an historic site, CBGBs is a sacred site as far as I’m concerned. It won’t come again.”

Talking Heads drummer Chris Frantz, speaking backstage at a Save CBGB benefit in New York’s Washington Square Park, August, 2005: “We love CBGBs and we’re very grateful for everything that CBGBs and Hilly Kristal enabled us to do as a band. It was where our band was born, you might say. Without getting too sentimental about it, I think it’s still a really great place for young fans who don’t have connections in New York and don’t have management and don’t have agents and all that. They can go to CBGBs and get a gig there and play and maybe, who knows, things will happen for them. Even if they don’t in a commercial way at least they can happen in an artistic way. They have the freedom to do that. When we started playing there, there was nobody there, maybe ten people, eight of whom were working there.”

B-52’s Fred Schneider: “CBGB is way at the top of rock clubs. Back in the day you had to play. There weren’t music videos, you had to have a single, radio wouldn’t play you. It was just chaotic fun, a smoky boozy rock and roll joint with the worst toilet in the world.”


[Photo: Leland Bobbe]


Comments

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HILLY and Englands CAVERN | 2/23/2008, 8:53 am EST

sorry for the typos
i am not wearing my glasses and cant see well and I type so fast
but I think you al lget what I am saying

HILLY and Englands CAVERN | 2/23/2008, 8:51 am EST

sitting there in the club made me think somethings gonna happen like the beatles and the club the cavern
I was there from the start and I saw it…Everything Peter Crowley says its 100% true.
as far as Im concerned some one who was at the first show there as a teeny bopper and the last when it closed
The RAMONES were there BEATLES
and JOHNNY THUNDERS and THE HEARTBREAKERS were all the STONES wrapped up in one though they moslt played MAX;s since Hilly was cheap and would pay what TOOMY woh owned MAX;s would pay I think Thunders was apid more than any othereband that ever payed..theyed line up around the block whatever the weather for early n late shows…this era what were legands were made of
I miss Hilly I miss Merve the original Bouncer the workers there
at cbgbs and just knowing it was there though i stopped hanging out there for along time only dropping in to show Hilly my new baby andsay hiya like visiting your old school and favoerite teacher
when Joey Ramone died Rolling Stone wrote how he was never apreceiated in a small tiny article and put BYONCE HALF NAKED on the cover instead of putting Jowy on the cover
never expect RS to do the righ thing anymore
its all about the moola
and crap music that they dont even like
it used to be a good mag
but remember they trashed LED ZEPP
so what do they know
they are still here because half there mag is advertisments
thats how they make money
cbgbs dead hillys dead but R S died first

HOWIE PYRO | 9/10/2007, 6:50 am EST

it is truly ironic that you have to DIE to get on the cover of the rolling stone…it wasn’t like that in dr. hook’s ady…you had to earn it, which hilly certainly did…but he should have been able to see it…better late than never tho…sad days indeed…

jojo | 9/4/2007, 11:56 am EST

RIP-”UMFUG” will live on forever hope to see the legecy live on in sin city.

To Hilly... | 9/4/2007, 11:08 am EST

Here’s one more vote for putting Hilly on the cover. Yeah… Alan Freed, Sam Phillips, Hilly Kristal. We wouldn’t be here otherwise. This mag needs a goddamn lobotomy (…who’s this Efron gal?)
God bless and Godspeed, Hilly…

Jayne County | 8/31/2007, 9:38 pm EST

Ramones! Sorry! I can still see Hilly now. Standing there in his flannel shirt and dirty jeans. He was like a Rock and Roll Dad. He would lay out the food on the Holidays for those of us who had nowhere to go on Xmas! x Jayne County PS. The Chilly was like rocket fuel! One night I ate a bowl before going on stage and I let out a huge gigantic rip that almost blew away the entire front row!!! He had these huge dogs and there was dog poop everywhere! I think they passed out gas masks one night!

Jayne County | 8/31/2007, 9:30 pm EST

I am so upset by this news. Hilly gave my band Queen Elizabeth one of our very first gigs. I played CB*s when it was still named *Hillys* BEFORE Eric Emerson and The Majic Tramps or Telivision. It was Patti Smith and Remones who gave CB*s the big push!

Laura D--Student Teachers | 8/31/2007, 8:14 pm EST

Without Hilly, music would be a very different, less courageous place today. Putting him on the cover is a vital and important honor.

Rest well, Hilly.

Laura D--Student Teachers | 8/31/2007, 8:11 pm EST

Without Hilly Krystal, the music world would be a very different, less courageous place today. He deserves the cover of Rolling Stone as a an important and vital honor.

Rest well, Hilly.

Sher Bach | 8/31/2007, 6:45 pm EST

Hilly and I go way back, when I was a 16 year old runaway from the suburbs and had no money, no place to sleep or eat, Hilly would feed me, CBGB’s was just a hole in the wall bar that served hamburgers. It was called “Hilly’s on the Bowery” back then. We lost touch whenever I would play gypsy and leave the city for a few years, but I could always come back and see him, and it was
like I never left. The last time I visited, a few months before the club closed, I heard he was sick. He was once known to have said that one of his favorite bands that ever played CB’s (back in the 70’s) was Ruby and Rednecks. (the first band I (sang backup for). That was cool…
I think it’s ironic that while I was so immersed in the rock scene in the 70’s, Hilly loved Country, and now I sing in a Country band. Hmmmm.
He was a good man, and will be sorely missed….my condolences to his family and friends.

“I know your life
On earth was troubled
And only you could know the pain
You weren’t afraid to face the devil
You were no stranger to the rain
Go rest high on that mountain
Son, your work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin’
Love for the Father and Son
Oh, how we cried the day you left us
We gathered ’round your grave to grieve
I wish I could see the angels faces
When they hear your sweet voice sing
Go rest high on that mountain
Son, your work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin’
Love for the Father and Son”
-Vince Gill

Peace Hilly, you’re Home now where you don’t need to put rolled up pieces of bar naps in your ears.
Sher

David Scharff-Student Teachers | 8/31/2007, 3:17 pm EST

Hilly was a landmark, a trailblazer, a curmudgeon, a songwriter, a fighter, a jokester, a stalwart, a storyteller, a music-lover, a visionary and a major influence on the shape of modern music.

I spent my high school years attending the music class of Professor Kristal, I helped him build one of the first versions of his website in the 90s and I always believed him when he told me he wished The Student Teachers would come back to play at CBGBs again sometime.

Sadly that will never happen now…the landmark and his homestead are both gone. If Hilly doesn’t deserve to be on the cover of Rolling Stone, who does?

Don’t even hesitate!
Put him on the cover!

-David

"Magic Tramps"- {Sesu Coleman} | 8/31/2007, 3:01 pm EST

Playing CBGB’s was unlike playing anywhere else on the planet. It brought together music & fans from all walks of life. An experience of ‘oneness’ - All there to find ‘like kind’. Irony would have it that “PUNK” mag. recently issued a tribute to “CBGB’s” {Fall-07} - I still have the original {pre name change} flyer. “Grand Opening - “Hilly’s On The Bowery” {10-19-72} I remember the night well. The Hell’s Angels - Hilly - dogs - fans - a few ‘Bowery Boys’- & us -the ‘Magic Tramps’ about to open a new chapter in the music history book. Eric Emerson dancing with his leather whip on a plywood & carpet stage - to ‘William Tell’ & welcoming people as though it was ‘Max’s’… ‘1-2-3-4′… Yes - Hilly on the Cover of ‘Rolling Stone’ makes sense as The ‘Rolling Stones’ sum it up - It was - the - ‘Salt Of The Earth’…RIP

Tracy | 8/31/2007, 1:59 pm EST

Yes he should be on the cover, as well as the others who contributed to the sucsess of the club. It had to be a collective effort of very cool people who let it develop its own life. Yes, definitely. And let’s not forget Peter Crowley and the folks at Max’s K C, New Yorks other equally legendary live club.

Janie Heath | 8/31/2007, 11:11 am EST

Hilly Kristal should be on the cover. Of course.

Dave | 8/30/2007, 10:16 pm EST

Put Hilly on the cover, he is most deserving. Hilly cared, in an industry that mostly doesn’t.

Barbara | 8/30/2007, 9:54 pm EST

Hilly was a pioneer in helping to transform Rock and Roll in the seventies. Yes I think that he should be on the cover!

Chuck | 8/30/2007, 9:39 pm EST

But of course he should be on the cover!

NIcole | 8/30/2007, 9:33 pm EST

Absolutely!

Sundance | 8/30/2007, 8:44 pm EST

Put him on the cover. Honestly, who could possibly deserve it more?

Bill Breitenbach | 8/30/2007, 8:11 pm EST

Yes - Put him on the Cover.

LAURA | 8/30/2007, 7:24 pm EST

I SO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT PETER CROWLEY HAD TO SAY,I DO THANK HILLY AND(PETER) FOR ALLOWING MY BROTHER JOEY PINTER TO SHOW HIS GREAT TALENT OFF, FOR US ALL TO ENJOY

Lyn Todd | 8/30/2007, 6:43 pm EST

Yes, put Hilly on the cover.

There was only two places to play in 70’s NYC; CBGB’s & Max’s Kansas City. The next thirty years of music was influenced by what went on at those two clubs…

R.I.P. Hilly…

Tommy DOG | 8/30/2007, 6:28 pm EST

Putting Hilly on the cover of Rolling Stone now that he’s dead makes a bitter irony. CBGBs was for live currant and important Rock & Roll, Rolling Stone is the Status Quo.

Bob Sallese | 8/30/2007, 5:35 pm EST

Great comment above by Peter Crowley who played an importantly equal role during his tenure at Max’s Kanses City!

Long Live the memories of both Max’s & CBGBs!

FRANK WOOD | 8/30/2007, 5:30 pm EST

HELL YEAH!

PUT HILLY ON THE COVER!

After all, when RS put Shania Twain on the cover, they shot that cover photo at CBGB!!!!

HILLY MOST DEFINITELY belongs in THE R’n'R HALL OF FAME!

See ya later HILLY!

FRANK WOOD

Peter Crowley | 8/30/2007, 5:02 pm EST

Perhaps this will answer Stanley Fairclough’s question:

“The problem with bands today is they don’t know who Howling Wolf is.” - Arthur Stevenson of SEA MONSTER

Peter Crowley | 8/30/2007, 4:55 pm EST

PUT HILLY KRISTAL ON THE COVER

along with:

Eric Emerson - who talked Hilly into booking the first rock’n'roll band (his Magic Tramps),

Jayne County - who also played CBGB before Television.

Debbie Harry, Elda Stilletto and Chris Stein - who helped Hilly get the ball rolling,

Terry Ork - who booked Television, Patti Smith, The Ramones, Talking Heads, Blondie, etc. and was most responsible for putting CBGB on the map,

Cosmo Ohms - who - uncredited and unpaid - designed the CBGB logo,

B.G. - who manned the door,

Merv - who kept order,

And all the unnamed employees, musicians and fans who gave their all to make CBGB a success.

Anonymous | 8/30/2007, 4:08 pm EST

Hilly on the cover- Yes!!

Without him there would have benn nothing to write about and listen to all these years.

The Flying Revolverblatt | 8/30/2007, 1:04 pm EST

Farewell!
We’ll put you on the cover.

Natasha | 8/30/2007, 12:33 pm EST

CBGB i want you back now!

Stanley Fairclough | 8/30/2007, 11:33 am EST

Hilly RIP…we loved ya and all you did.

PS: If Little Steven is so into supporting new bands, how come his radio show consists of mostly 40 year old bands?

Ben | 8/30/2007, 9:00 am EST

Without people like Hilly Kristal, Punkrock probably would have never existed.
Thanks!

Jeremy | 8/30/2007, 8:19 am EST

Throw my vote in with the “Put Hilly On The Cover” crowd. Also, someone suggested “put Hilly in the rock n’ roll hall of fame”. A-fucking-men! He didn’t have a record label, but I think he can be compared to Ahmet Ertugen (sp?) as to his ability to discover new talent.

Thank GOD he walked the earth! I think the friendly tone of this list of comments, the fact that everyone is in agreement, is yet another testament to how beloved and important Hilly is/was.

RIP Hilly. You are missed.

SWAMP | 8/30/2007, 7:16 am EST

Not only should Hilly be on the cover maybe RS could do a whole CBGB tribute, if they haven’t already, better then reading about Justin, Paris and what dumb thing Bush is doing.

thomas | 8/30/2007, 2:53 am EST

Thank God he existed. I’m sure, somewhere he has influenced someone to do the same thing. Record companies are way too short-sighted to know that without people like him that have clubs like that there isn’t much outlet for young truely creative musicians.

Hilly -rip | 8/30/2007, 2:16 am EST

without hilly there would be no debbie harry and blondie…thank you hilly….i wear my cbgb shirt with pride.

Peter Crowley | 8/30/2007, 1:18 am EST

Hilly Kristal allowed the New York rock’n'roll underground a place to flourish in the mid ’70s. The importance of CBGB can’t be overemphasized.

From the first band that played there (Eric Emerson & The Magic Tramps) to the last hardcore kids, thousands of musicians and fans owe him a debt.

Integrity Fashions | 8/29/2007, 11:18 pm EST

RIP Hilly. I met the man @ CMJ a couple of years back and spoke to him about his fight to keep the CBGBs open. He still had so much passion and love for the music. I thank him for giving all the bands that have inspired me through years a venue to spring board from. If was not for Hilly, we would be living in a world without the Ramones, Blondie, Television, Talking Heads and all the bands that point to them as an inspiration. Rolling Stone give Hilly the cover he deserves. Let the world know about his contribution to Rock & Roll.

Mike Virus | 8/29/2007, 10:25 pm EST

Rest in peace Hilly.

Thanks for giving us punk rockers a place we felt welcome for so many years.

Ron P | 8/29/2007, 10:01 pm EST

Wow….The memories. I used to hang out at CB’s during its heyday. If you look thru the photo gallery and see the picture of Elvis Costello and Richard Hell, I was at that one. I had the “honor” of peeing next to Elvis C in that really crappy bathroom.

JasMan | 8/29/2007, 9:38 pm EST

I still can’t understand why Hilly has never been inductd into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame……it’s not too late to acknowledge what he did for over thirty years.

mishka | 8/29/2007, 9:24 pm EST

I just heard the news.

I’m so sad.

I was lucky enough to catch a few shows in the last few years before the club closed. Weirdly enough I was in the City this past weekend and stopped by to give my respects to the now boarded up and sad-looking CBGB’s.

Put him on the cover!!

Bangers-N-Mash | 8/29/2007, 8:16 pm EST

Put hilly on the cover. To say he is not the the true godfather of punk/alternative/new wave music in America is absurd. He gave so many bands a chance in a time when many places whouldn’t have thought twice a bout giving them a place to play. Without Hilly, there is a huge possibility there’d be no Ramones, Blondie, or Television. Maybe no Patti Smith as well.

R.I.P. Hilly

eon | 8/29/2007, 7:19 pm EST

rolling stone magazine-you owe it to rock-n-roll to put Hilly on the cover!!!! DON’T BLOW IT!

patrick | 8/29/2007, 6:10 pm EST

hilly was more than just my nanas best friend, he was my grandpa. he got me my first guitar and got me started as a little guitarist at age 7. hilly was so influential, and will be missed very much. you were the father of punk rock, cbgb was like the start of a new generation. now with you gone, punk rock will never be the same. RIP.

DT | 8/29/2007, 6:01 pm EST

Another vote for Hilly on the cover, with cBGB’s somewhere on the pic for those Justin Timberlake fans who wont have a clue. Thanks Hilly for giving us the ramones

Madeleine | 8/29/2007, 5:49 pm EST

Thanks Hilly, for all the chances you took. What a legacy you have created. RIP.

Acro | 8/29/2007, 5:36 pm EST

Rest in peace, and thanks, Hilly. There’s a nice remembrance by Handsome Dick Manitoba on TheDictators.com as well.

bayliss | 8/29/2007, 5:10 pm EST

cherish the famous rock clubs around the world people. they don’t last long. Viva Whisky A Go Go!

Matt | 8/29/2007, 4:55 pm EST

RIP Hilly a cover would be great dedicated in his memory with a nice collage of Blondie and Patti etc…

Ashley Blair | 8/29/2007, 4:40 pm EST

Yes he should be on the cover, maybe in a collage with Blondie, ramones, heads and patti and him in the centre.

I am so bummed out right now, yet another rock pioneer has passed. Hilly was not only the founer of CBGB’s that help launched my beloved favourite band Blondie among others, but if it wasn’t for him, the world of music would never have been what it became, he was a visionary.

Thank you Hilly and rest in peace, without you rock would have died in the 1970’s.
Without the Punk and New Wave movements, especially and mostly because of Blondie huge worldwide sales and chart impact, put CBGB’S on the rock map. What we hear in 2007 is largely in part because of those cbgb artists various trendsetting music styles back in 1970’s.

Hilly’s courage to engage non signed acts and gave them all wings to create, whatever they wanted to create and perform it in a open forum was pure brillance on his part. This in a a time period where all the bands on the radio were nothing more than formulated crap, their music remains stale even today, when Blondie and Ramones are still fresh today.

You gave rock new blood.

God Speed

R.I.P | 8/29/2007, 4:27 pm EST

Hilly.

For the sake of the counter-culture and NYC, put him on the cover.

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