What made weezer good was the relevance of the songs/lyrics to the music. Stuff that people could relate to in a quirky way. After this was abandoned and the bands personlity was more blah popular, there was nothing interesting to the formula. Rivers is dumb enough to think that its merely the music that makes the songs great, but in his case it was the lyrics, which have pretty much sucked since Pinkerton.

Hear’s one more tidbit.

After listening to the song, Pig, it gives me hope that Rivers is starting to turn a new leaf and is willing to take new chances in his career. Perhaps, his new life as a married man and soon to be father will give him confidence to make a statement as an artist again.

This is my opinion of River’s decision in terms of his direction as a songwriter post-Pinkerton (Green Album, Maladroit, and Make Believe). For a decade, he’s been hiding behind this impenetrable shell that he made himself due to the commercial failure of Pinkerton.

Locking himself in his apartment, going to meditation retreats, doing his all-business/no-fun shtick while performing on stage, both writing and singing impersonal/bland lyrics with a robotic monotone voice, and eliminating the sonic texture and quirky time steps in his band’s music is all just an exercise in detached isolation.

Plus, ever since Rivers returned to the music scene this decade, it seems like he’s been trying to put distance between himself and his past. He’s also been in constant search within himself as an artist and as a person.

Also, I don’t believe Rivers in his thirties could directly relate to the material from his first two albums (which comes from the personal vantage point of Rivers in his early to mid-twenties).

If anyone here is waiting for an album exactly like the Blue Album and Pinkerton, then sorry to break it to you, it’s not happening. That’s like asking Picasso to create a piece similar to his Blue Period when he is in the process of entering a phase like Cubism. Music like art, changes over time with experience of the creator. Hopefully, we’ll get to see another masterpiece from Rivers once again.

I just thought everyone here should give Maladroit another listen. It is by far the least spoken about of Weezer five albums. This album is to the green album what pinkerton was to the blue one. Does anyone see a pattern here? One album is a pop album to a t and the next is nothing but guitar driven awesome sounding rock and roll!

I was a little disappointed with the last album but no band is perfect. I anxiously await 6.

i’ve been a huge fan since the begining, & each of their albums has something unique and special to offer. look at everybody’s comments, and you’ll see that in how fans faves differ from one another. if you want homogonized crap that all sounds the same - go buy a nickleback album. in the meantime, there is so much to appreciate about a band that always leaves me wanting more. by the way, the formula song thing was a joke. pat explained this on loveline a number of years ago.

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I partially agree with T-nasty below… I couldn’t quite prove that the absence of Sharp had anything to do with it, however I feel like Butterfuly ended the epic nature of Weezer. “I’m sorry,” Rivers repeats at the end of the song, “I’m sorry.” I wonder if he apologizes for letting Scott in the band (obviously, Mikey in between; this is an anachronistic statement).

However, I am at least optimistic of this black-hole rock opera situation. If it’s anything near as epic as let’s say Across the Sea (has anyone seen them play that song live, by the way?) I would be more than satisfied.

All the b sides and rare releases from the blue and pinkerton era are better than album 3 4 or 5, and are terribly overseen as what helped keep weezer alive during the break between pinkerton and green. Im personally looking forward more to weezer unused songs and rivers demos than album 6. I will listen to it b/c i do believe rivers is great enough to come out with material that would redeem him, however i believed that before all the last albums and i was pretty wrong.

freakin happy!!! i’m buying the album as soon as it comes out:)

Fuck Weezer.

WEEZER is a fantastic band with great penchants for hooks and catchy lyrics. All you people that did not like MAKE BELIEVE, you don’t appreciate WEEZ. P.S. They are also a great band to watch LIVE!!!

WEEZER is a fantastic band with great penchants for hooks and catchy lyrics. All you people that did not like MAKE BELIEVE, you don’t appreciate WEEZ. P.S. They are also a great band to watch LIVE!!!

I have no problem with a band whose sound evolves with age, experience, and time. I think that bands who try to artificially mimic previous success sound far more contrived than bands who allow their music to change as they themselves change. I love all of their albums. I really do. Don’t give up guys.
-Samuel
P.S. If one more person disses Pinkerton on here, I am gonna slapjack their brisket… Philly style!

you’re going to wait until the walls fall to here a Weezer album better than Pinkerton.

the downward spiral that began with Green album and ended with Make Believe is hard to ignore.

Weezer - time to hang it up.

Fans - give it up and find a new band that doesn’t make the music news by blathering about the art of writing by formula and the joy of confined meditation.

BORING!

I have to say.. noone has even mentioned the lame factor of Make Beleive, primarily due to the lyrics alone.. take for one small example “when will stupid learn, fire’s gonna burn”.. this is 7th grade Pat Benatar bullshit… “here’s the pitch, slow and straight, now all I have to do is swing and I’m a “hero”, but I’m a zero”

you damn fools who proclaim that Make Beleive rocks are pinheads. You must also love “highway to the danger zone”.

Honestly, the Blue album is not one of the most “perfectly crafted albums in rock history”.. it is a damn good record, among the top 500 of all time..

Pinkerton is an indie hero album, similar to “Never mind the bullocks”, however not a first release (and was self produced by the way).

One last note on Make Beleive: People think that Rick Rubin can shit on a plate and that it is Mozart. Let me tell you: Rick Rubin had about as much to do with Make Beleive, as Al Gore did with the creation of the internet. Also, Rick Rubin is human, and humans make mistakes also.

Get Matt Sharp back. He balanced out River’s serious streak and funked it up. Any surprise people have argued about their validity ever since he left?

Okay, granted, “Blue Album” & “Pinkerton” were their two best. Not many people will argue.

But “Green,” while maybe a bit of a letdown after two masterpieces, was actually pretty damn good if you accept it on its own merits. It wasn’t the heart-on-the-sleeve emo confessional (and I use that phrase in the best possible way) that their first two albums were. It was a power pop record, plain and simple; and as such, it is criminally underrated.

“Maladroit,” on the other hand, excepting the singles, left me cold. And the less said about “Make Believe,” the better (”Perfect Situation” and “Hold Me” nonwithstanding).

But I’m reserving judgement on this new one. Still, whoever said Matt Sharp was just a “Rivers’ tool” was an idiot. He was part of what made that band great on the first two albums, and I wish they’d get him back.

But even if they never do, I’d be perfectly satisfied to see them do another album as good as “Green.” Maybe it’s just me.

Jeez, Make Believe wasn’t that bad! Personally to me it was better than the Green Album which was tired before I even opened the package. I can’t wait for a new one, and if Rubins behind the boreds again (however unlikely) that would be boss.

Jeez, Make Believe wasn’t that bad! Personally to me it was better than the Green Album which was tired before I even opened the package.

Didn’t Rivers say he had found a formula to writing the perfect pop song around the time Maladroit came out? I remember him saying he had upwards of 200 songs written in a top secret notebook using this “formula”.
Anyway, Pinkerton is my favorite album and Perfect Situation is my favorite song From them.

Beverly Hills was complete crap…..but the rest of make believe was pretty good. If “Hold Me” would have been on pink or blue, people would call it a classic. I just don’t get elitism. Plus “freak me out” is one of the best weezer songs ever…..city streets at night……..

Blue Album - 5 Starts
Pinkerton - 5 Starts
Green Album - 4.5 Starts
Maladroit - 4 Stars (At Least)
Make Believe - 4 Stars

How long can a band ride the success of one good album…..geeeezz…..Blue was a great album. People only think Pink is good because it is “cool” to like it for some reason - when really, it was a pretty lame effort. Green was just trying to copy Blue but failed, Maladroit was decent and Make Believe was terrible. Go away already Weezer before you ruin your mystique.

Weezer stinks.

Make Believe was a solid album…what’s with the bashing? It’s okay to say an album sucks, but at least have a reason to hate it…and if that reason happens to be that it doesn’t sound like their old stuff, then please just get over yourself and stop being and idiot. They’re never going to sound like they did on blue or pinkerton, they aren’t the same band…they’ve grown with their music, maybe you all should too.

Yeah, blame Rick Rubin for how bad that last record was…

as long as rick rubin doesn’t produce this album i’ll be happy!

make believe was awful. Blue and Pink are classics, Green and MAladroit are good, but Make Believe is a stinker. He’s hoping this one is different.

The Blue ALbum was amazing! Definitely a perfect album, but I think everything after that sucks, something isn’t right without Ric Ocasik in the studio. Pinkerton, no offense, bored me to death. Make-Believe sounded like everything else they did and really sucked. I can’t believe Beverely Hills was a hit, it was a horrible, everything about the song sucked.

Pinkerton is their best album, followed next by Blue. BUT their best song’s gotta be Dope Nose from Maladroit.
Make Believe and Green were pretty lame.

I really love all five of their albums, and I really look forward to this sixth album. G-Dawg? you only like pinkerton and blue? maybe you should listen to green, maladroit, and make believe more than once buddy.

Oh, and if make believe really rocks your ass, then your ass has very poor taste.

If its anything like blue album/pinkerton i will be happy. If its anything like green album/maladroit/make believe, I will be very pissed off. G-Dawg out.

Uhh, no T-Nasty, Matt Sharp is a nobody. Anyone who knows Weezer knows that they are just an excuse for Rivers to have a band/not be a solo artist. He is a total control freak, never allowing his bandmate’s songs to be included in their albums. So who gives two shits about Matt Sharp, when he was Cuomo’s pawn boy to begin with?

make believe rocks my ass

I love Weezer, but MAKE BELIEVE was terrible. I couldn’t believe the stellar reviews it got.

WOO

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

These old guys need to give it up.

Weezer is kinda like the American Oasis to some lesser degree (not that I like more Oasis, but they’ve had more succes in terms of sales). This meaning that the first two albums were totally boss, incredible records. The third one to me was like a nice atempt to do the same, and the other two records were just completely miscomprehended by everyone, because they (the band) were trying to do something not that obvious as the first records, and they ended up pissing off some fans like the ones we see here today.
My guess here is that they’re gonna try and recuperate that old sound that made ‘em huege, just like Oasis did in their last album, but I don’t know if they’ll make it. Oasis didn’t make it,but still was a nice try and not an awful record.

By the way, I do like the Maladroit album.

We all know that the “Blue Album” is perhaps one of the most perfectly crafted rock albums of all time, and Pinkerton was pretty damn impressive as well. So what if the last few releases have been slightly less than stellar. There is no point in being pessimistic already…look on the bright side…considering Rivers’ erratic (spell check) tendencies, we should all be supportive and appreciative of the fact that Weezer is still around to keep us guessing.

as long as its better than make believe i’m excited, that is their only album that sucked

after the last couple albums, i’m not so sure this is good news…

after the last couple albums, i’m not so sure this is good news…

Ever since he started singing like he had cancer of the nasal cavity on “Green Album” and Matt Sharp stopped fixing his mistakes, they’ve been useless. I’m not just trying to start shit on the internet by saying this. Everybody who was a Weezer fan back in the day will agree. Noobies don’t count.

Hope they improve on their last effort. yuk.

Hmmmm…. I think it’ll suck. Just guessing. But, you know, everything they’ve made in the last 11 years had sucked.

WEEZER IS

frrrrrt.

“Shortest Band Break-ups.
How long was this one… a year? 6 months?”

Umm…they never broke up.

Rivers once said that he wasn’t sure about the future of Weezer. MTV misrepresented the quote as meaning the band was breaking up. Rivers and other members quickly corrected this as a misquote online, saying that Weezer is alive and well.

I’m down with R-Dawg

I’m down with R-Dawg

i think Rs.com should start a weekend list:

Shortest Band Break-ups.

How long was this one… a year? 6 months?

blue album and pinkerton are great. the rest suck*.

*especially the last album..

Blue/pinkerton - best weezer albums. Everything after might as well not exist. Green album was the biggest garbage (except for island in the sun/perfect situation) Go see them live though, they sound amazing!

after hearing pig, i hold a lil hope the band will return to the form they showed on the 1st to records

if there music wasn’t so good, I’d really really really really really really hate Rivers Cuomo.

oh goodie. i cant wait for the return to beverly hills/island in the sun.