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i don’t believe the event can be attributed to any single condition or resolved by any single action. the sources of this mans warped perspective and inexplicable reaction to those perceptions are surely diverse and we can’t possibly know where it all went wrong in his head. when do we all begin to look at of our behaviors on a day to day basis and incorporate a plan to both reduce our vulnerability and enhance our defense? those days of living in a world where you didn’t lock your doors at night or have to think twice about whether or not you were taking your life in your hands by simply driving your car through the wrong neighborhood are gone. look at the people around you on a regular basis and decide if you can honestly trust them with your life and if not, take apropriate action to reduce your vulnerability to them. if you percieve a threat defend yourself don’t expect someone else to do it for you.

hey ragman…. what makes you think thats not possible. Give me you and 22 of your friends tied down to chairs and it wouldnt take me long to bash your skull in with my fist. Have an open mind buddy

vol, you think controlling guns more would keep violence off of the news?? If guns didn’t exist, there would be the same amount of murder on the news there is now. Kids grow up seeing violence, whether its by a golf club or a gun on TV and its the violence that pervades their minds

We fight them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here, remember?
According to the Republicans, guns are good, killing is OK as long as it’s “over there”, and the shame lies squarely on the USA.
From the top down, the sickness that is America under corporate war leadership will correspond equally to the violence that we will receive “over HERE”.

Those damn rappers & their Asian fans…
South Park, Eminem, Howard Stern, Mexican illegals… Al Queda…
Where’s the Evangelic outrage????

At least with Columbine you had a formidable musical scapegoat in Marilyn Manson.
This Cho idiot was obsessed with Collective Soul!!
He also like Led Zep, for what it’s worth. No video games to blame either.
Blame here is likely sexual abuse as a child, based on his demented writings.
Ease of acquiring guns isn’t helpful either. Guns are for those with little tiny penises.

The guy who said “in the right situation” a fist can kill 32 people is an idiot

i dont like it when people try and pin this on other people other than the dude truly responsible. maybe the police made a mistake in not rushing in but in the end it might not have made a difference. i just hate it when the “blame game” (for a lack of better term) is played

In reponse to the comment that access to weapons is the greatest fault for these crimes. Get a grip. Our nation suffers from severe moral issues and disorders. What else could be expected by a race that is ruled television, consumerism, greed and violence, and lacks compasion, understanding, and any sense of spirituality. I’m hardly surprized, much less shocked, when I hear of these events taking place. Removing weapons from society simply gives the goverment any other element of control of people.

Good luck banning guns. Fairies.

only in America…. the right to bare arms isnt sounding so good as of late is it! too bad ur country is run by a bunch of gun toting, country bumpkinks!

‘guns don’t pull their own triggers and they certainly don’t CREATE violence’

Rockets, grenades, and tanks don’t create violence by themselves either, so I guess the public should be able to have those too.

And does anybody SERIOUSLY think that 33 people would have died if the guy had a machete!!!!

I agree that our culture plays a big part in the ‘overall’ picture, but the desensitivity towards killing in our culture has been caused in large part by the easy access to guns… When kids see murders on the news each night (95% of which are caused by guns), they grow up thinking this is normal.

Warning, sarcasm follows:
I wish I’d a had a gun. Whooo-dag, I’da blowed up that asian shooter in the scoole. Yea, he’d a stood no chance./ NRA is the only way. We blow em up real good. Don’t anybuddy mess wit Texas. Yee-Haa. Go get em cowboy, shoot em up whhoooYa!

Cleveland - Guns only lead to violence and death.
Peter - Right. And when that time comes we’ll heavily-armed to shoot whatever comes our way.
–
Paraphrasing Family Guy. The exchange was meant as parody, but insanely, life has imitated art. Some people actually think more guns is the solution.

I agree with Beatles04 on the levels of control. lets not make it TOO easy for someone having a bad time to take their anger out one the rest of us with a deadly weapon.

The only way to save this world is through prayer!! Pray to Jesus Christ and His Blessed Mother Mary, including St. Michael The Archangel to protect this world from evil!!!

THE POLICE:to serve and protect (my ass). the police are not obligated to protect us in the first place.

You know Koreans may be weird people but really this kid was American. He has been living in the states since 1992 when he was eight.

it’s just almost a common theme to fascinate about killing people to despise, but i think problems pretty simple, it’s hard to prevent gun violence,you can’t stop it buy enforcing strict gun laws , people will find ways to get their hands on guns. you can’t map someone thoughts about fascination over killing fellow students or any other conspiracy. just look how much the u.s. spends on nuclear arms a year. how they supported fasisct dictactors in third world countrys. they’ve given money to third world countrys for torture. will that ever be accounted for? seems likes thats never in the mainstream news. International law can’t even stop that. it just sickens me to see how they blame us for all societys problems , when the u.s. government is the biggest pusher of voilence in their own country and around the world

englebert but think about the massacre in montreal where i think the guy used a assualt rifle to kill fellow students..

Blame that “Rock and Roll” music you kids are listening to, dagnabbit!

Suprised CHuck Heston didn’t show up, douchebag. Wake up. The right to bear arms–it’s not working.

guns don’t pull their own triggers and they certainly don’t CREATE violence…. nor do knives or machetes or planes. Its the deranged deviant who wields the weapon. Don’t play coy to the real villian here…. ourselves.

if someone wants to kill, they will do it anyway possible. A fist can be a lethal weapon and, if in the right situation, kill 32 people. Don’t gaze through such a narrow perspective. The problem is violence and the way that our society reinforces it. Massacres are nothing new Engelbert. They have been going on since the dawn of man. the problem is not guns. the problem is the glorification of violence. See the big picture?

THAM! THAT FOOL IS A G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

I think I’m pregnant!

Mike says: “Imagine that. Law enforcement in some ass backwards state fucks up and in turn results in nearly 3 dozen deaths. Who the fuck is surprised by this?”

What is wrong with you? Why don’t you try blaming the shooter who killed 32 people and not law enforcement. You sound like a 12 year old little shit.

Oh yeah, lets not get carried away on the GUN CONTROL debate. This kid obviously lost his mind and went insane. Englebert says “if he got it legally our system needs to be fixed to prevent that.” That’s ridiculous. How can anyone who sells guns know that some kid who legally buys a firearm, who has no criminal record, is going to kill over 30 people?

Of course someone will accomplish the task of killing innocent people if that is what they have their mind set on, but don’t you think that, as morbid as it sounds, 8 deaths is better than 32? Virginia has no gun waiting period, you do not have to have a license for the firearm, and you do not have to take any safety tests in order to purchase. How can you not see this as a little ridiculous? Some people don’t realize that crazy people aren’t always crazy their entire life, and sometimes the smallest thing can trigger it. So just because you do not currently have a criminal record does not necessarily mean that you are responsible enough, or sane enough for that matter, to own a gun.

“Would he have killed 32 innocent people if he had been unable to buy guns and instead had to try to kill people with a machete? NO.”

-June 8, 2001 — Osaka, Japan
A knife-wielding man killed eight children and wounded 21 people after he forced his way into Ikeda Elementary School. The man was armed with a 6-inch kitchen knife. Seven girls and one boy were killed, most of them first- and second-graders at the private school.

YES it can happen!

If someone is hell-bent on killing as many people as he or she can they’ll use whatever means to do so. If anyone doubts this only need to look back to Sept. 11, 2001 when over 3000 were murdered without the firing of a single shot.

Everyone can talk about this all they want, but the reality is this: the university regrettably didn’t take the first shooting seriously enough to warrant some sort of police force at the school directly after it. If there was someone there to keep the peace, the death toll would’ve been lower…

NOt quite sure what argument you’re trying to make, but as our culture is quickly digested by the rest of the world as well, I don’t think you can blame violence on that. Most of the world watches our MTV. Most of them line up to see our movies. Most of them don’t kill each other like we do, except for countries we consider “less developed,” which also happen to have “less developed” gun laws.

This guy killed people with a gun. If he got it legally, our system needs to be fixed to try to prevent that. If he got it illegally, it still needs to be fixed to make that less likely. Just because, as you say, we can never 100% fix this problem does not mean we shouldn’t try. You’ll never stop people from robbing banks, but that doesn’t mean banks don’t use every means to try to stop them. You’ll never stop the spread of STDs, but that doesn’t mean you don’t try education, medicine, and condoms to try to limit their spread.

There is NO LOGIC to the pro-gun mindset.

I think our violence rates have everything to do with our moral, spiritual, emotional, and economic poverty. But I don’t think easy access to guns helps.

Hi: I didn’t see any reference to a police “failure” by an “expert” at the link given by Mr. Coxe….
As for cops just standing around while the shooting was going on…Since they knew nothing about how many shooters were there, had little if any body armor like SWAT does, common sense tells us that if they went in instantly they might have been drawn into a crossfire ambush or wind up shooting each other without coordination or protection…It’s not simple, it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t….
A campus wide lock down? All at the same time with everyone accounted for? Yeah, right! What about anyone who didn’t get the news in time and was shut out in the open without cover? What if, what if…Tuesday morning quarterbacking….
There are investigations going on with hearings likely to happen later. I hope some lessons are learned from all this…In the meantime, I think any conclusions based on speculation is very dumb. Or assuming one went, wouldn’t this be a basic in…um, journalism school???? ~JBK

and our violence rates have nothing to do with our culture and it’s apathy towards negative influences????

boy you guys got all the answers huh?

Man: I appreciate your passion, but the stats don’t back up what you say. The countries with rampant violence problems are the ones where many of the people are armed with easy killing machines. How often do you hear of students in any other country massacring their classmates? The only big foreign school massacre I can think of recently was in Russia, where the Chechen terrorists kileld all those kids. But that was terrorists striking a soft target. The countries that enact strict gun control laws have much lower murder rates (look at most of Europe, Japan, Australia, etc.). It’s that simple. And look at Canada: They own as many guns as we do per capita, people up there love to hunt and their rights to do that are not infringed, but they don’t have the easy access to handguns that we do. And their murder rate is tiny.

I cannot understand the pro-gun contention that argues for citizens carrying concealed weapons as a way to PREVENT violent crime: “If someone had a gun he/she could stop a violent criminal.” Who do you think you are, Wyatt Earp? Thanks, tough guy. Have you ever considered what it was like in the “wild west” without strict gun laws? Citizens’ ability to “conceal and carry” leads to more violence!

“”Hey, great idea…. lets have more gun control. That way when maniacs DO actually get their hands on some, the general public won’t be able to defend themselves when the situation calls for it. not exactly a genius idea either buddy”"
God Bless Americans, & No One Else
p.s. I think those WMD’s are wearing thin on your brain
p.s.s. oh right…

You cannot stop people from finding guns one way or the other, just like drugs. If this idiot really wanted to slaughter more than 2 people, he would wait to act until he found a gun. And what about the countless times that innocent people have defended themselves from a murderer in their home with use of a gun? I assure you that if your children staved off death with the help of a gun in their home, you would thankful as hell that gun control did not keep them getting one.

people are going to inflict violence anyway they can. Whether its with a gun or a damn machete. Having gun control isn’t synonymous with a decline in gun related crimes. If someone wants a gun, they WILL get it. All gun control will do is maker harder for someone, who happens to want a gun for recreational purposes, to obtain one. What the hell does that solve. nothing.

I’m sorry, but I think the whole argument that we need a well-armed populace to be safe is the biggest self-perpetuating crock of BS in the world — this kid was able to get his hands on guns, possibly with ease (yes, I recognize I’m stretching here as we don’t have much info yet, but a college kid with a Glock and a semi-automatic Walther .22?). Maybe the guns were illegal, maybe he went down to his corner gun shop and bought them legally, I don’t know. My point is it doesn’t matter — you want to hunt, great! Go buy a hunting rifle and get registered so we can easily track you down if you use it to shoot a mom and dad execution-style in front of their kids. But unless you’re a trained law enforcement professional out there trying to protect the lives of the citizens of this country, there is NO REASON you need a concealed handgun.

Would this guy have been stopped if some of the kids in the classroom had been packing heat? Possibly, after killing a dozen or so (not to mention how many might have been caught in the crossfire in a shootout).

Would he have killed 32 innocent people if he had been unable to buy guns and instead had to try to kill people with a machete? NO.

The fact that you’re quick to say you’d shoot me for this opinion, even as an obvious joke, shows how desensitized we all are and willing to accept gun violence as a way of life. I have kids of my own, and all I could think of when I saw this story was how this could happen ANYWHERE. How would you feel about gun control if somebody shot your son or daughter?

Oh, and another thing, the media advertising this as a clip of the week doesnt help console those who lost loved one’s either

Well, this was probably a hate crime, this asian kid was no better than those jerks who shot up Columbine. I blame MTV!

hell engelbert, I’d pull out my 12 guage and shoot ya’ if I could (kidding)

Hey, great idea…. lets have more gun control. That way when maniacs DO actually get their hands on some, the general public won’t be able to defend themselves when the situation calls for it. not exactly a genius idea either buddy

I hope it’s Flanders!

This world is ridiculous

Um…I think it’s the people who were actually there, and these ballistics experts, who are initiating this questioning of how this could have happened. RS and the rest of the media are reporting that, along with everything else going on. You’re wuick to trash the media for “sensationalizing,” but you can’t really sensationalize this: a young man murdered 30+ people in brutal cold blood. I think it’s fair to ask if mistakes were made on the prevention side to avoid this happening again.

But I also agree with somebody earlier who commented on gun control…how can something like this happen and people NOT want gun control? There are already nuts on FOXNews saying that if more people had guns, he would’ve been stopped earlier. Why are we as a country so stupid?

Umm, weren’t the doors chained? Perhaps they were trying to best determine how exactly to overcome that obstacle? What if the guy was near the doorway? I don’t think a magazine that can rarely even get a record review right should be judging police work.

if rs is going to play the hype, at least use your music skills to create a playlist that might help the poor kids recover from this sad tragedy

yeah I agree with Evan. This is how you break into the tragic events of yesterday that has little to do with the focus of your mag?

If you’ve neve found yourself in the midst of a campus crisis, you have no idea what you’d do if you faced a situation like this. At a campus this large, they probably have about 40 officers total, many of whom were on alternate shifts. The campus authorities DID THE BEST JOB they could, given the circumstances. Who are we to judge them if we weren’t there. Why is the media so quick to blame and so quick to sensationalize??

Here’s the thing all you little fuck-turds who think that the “Asian Invasion” jokes are funny. You laugh now, but what’s gonna happen when the copy-cats start showing up in your towns or cities. All you idiots who think police are failures… yeah, there are some police who shouldn’t have a badge. But at least they’re man (or woman, to be pc) enough to step up to the call of duty to protect and serve. The problem with today’s society is that everyone is living they’re own little narcissistic lifestyle, thinking that they are god/ess of they’re own domain. Not caring for anyone or anything outside they’re personal walls. You want solutions? Create them. Do the things that are going to help out not only yourself, but others. Join your neighborhood watch, or work with the police… or fuck it… join up with the police. The only way things get better are if we make them better.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

laying blame will reverse nothing
it’s too easy to wash away the pain by laying blame
maybe your fuckin president should blame Iraq

a guy flipped out- who happened to be of asian decent-who happened to be living in a country where anyone can get guns.

Clip of the day? Clip of the day? You’re no better than all the other vultures (AKA the media) looking to eat every scrap of meat from the dead bodies. I’m so disgusted that you’d show this and advertise it as your clip of the day. What is wrong with you?

Yes, obviously the crazed shooter is to blame here (and I wish folks would stop harping on the fact that he was a foreigner from South Korea — he was crazy, and it doesn’t matter where he was from), but I think it’s fair to question why the university and cops didn’t act sooner — we’re supposed to have plans now in place to try to prevent mass killings. Or did we not really learn anything from Columbine? If they’d locked down after the first shooting, the killing may have stopped at 2.

I agree, bomb the gooks!

Is this not terrorism? Better bomb somebody, G.W.

The Asian invasion has begun! Rally around me my bretheren, and we will conquer the white devils! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHA!

The ‘Blame Game’ Begins!

All this video proves is that there were a lot of shots fired in a very short time.

This is such a stupid and ridiculous thing to be determining just from this video. This video isn’t capturing the entire scene, everything that’s going on there, all the police officers present, etc. How can one make judgments off of a very limited cell phone video? It’s easy to say now that they should have done this and that, but this was obviously a situation that was very difficult to handle. Besides, isn’t it usually SWAT forces that storm in to a shooting situation? These officers certainly don’t look like they’re from any SWAT team. This is a crime that should have been prevented long before the police needed to be called in.

I love how Fox News keeps focusing on the fact that this kid was “Asian” in an attempt to make us think this is foreign terrorism. Such fear mongers.

And how many times this morning have they had someone say they hope this won’t result in a bigger push for gun control? I keep waiting to hear that the NRA is staging a rally nearby…

It’s just unfortunate and inconvienent how someone’s lack of dignity and self esteem can cause the whole population of students’ lives to be in instant jepoardy.Those little knuckleheads known as assasins would’ve been better off taking online college courses if they felt they couldn’t socially fit in that environment.

I hate to rush to judgment, especially since none of us know how the hell we would react under these kind of circumstances until we were actually in the middle of them, but it’s chilling to watch the cops just standing around confused in that video while you can hear the gunman shooting people inside the building. Students inside had the presence of mind to try to block doors to save lives, why were those with presumably extensive training doing nothing? Why the hell were there TWO shootings, hours apart, with no notification from the university for people to stay away or lock down until it was too late? After Columbine, schools nationwide adopted lockdown policies for situations like this one…why did Virginia Tech (and the police and security on the scene) seem to ignore basic protocol?

How many lives could have been saved if the cops stormed that building right away, rather than waiting around?

all police are failures

Imagine that. Law enforcement in some ass backwards state fucks up and in turn results in nearly 3 dozen deaths. Who the fuck is surprised by this?

a million things could have happened that didnt happen or vice versa but it doesnt matter now. the only real person to blame is dead. if rolling stone has an idea how to secure va ech 100 percent then id love to hear it…