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Is This Man the Godfather of Rap?

12/19/06, 4:56 pm EST

Muhammad AliAccording to a new book, Ali Rap: Muhammad Ali the First Heavyweight Champion of Rap, the legendary fighter’s famously wit-infused banter laid the groundwork for the emergence of hip-hop. “Before there was rap … there was Ali Rap … a topsy-turvy, jivey jargon that only Ali could create, but a language we could all understand,” editor and designer George Lois reportedly writes. The book wisely stays away from actually arguing its thesis, instead serving as a sort of Ali-only Bartlett’s, in which witty (apparently rap-like) quotes are interspersed with autobiographical info.

This argument might seem dismissable, but those who should know (like Chuck D, for example) are supporting the claim. “It was important to the early rap artists and DJs to understand and tie into Muhammad Ali’s persona and brilliance,” Chuck D reportedly said. “The further we got away from that and the further away we get from history, hip-hop and rap seemed to form its own sort of story – which is not always good to get away from the reasons you were doing it in the first place.”

While we totally get that Ali — a great wit and national hero — was probably an inspiration to many of hip-hop’s founding artists, we’re not sold on the idea that quips like, “I’m a double rapper. First I rap them with my mouth, then I rap them in the mouth” assert Ali’s claim to the Founder of Rap throne. Chuck D should give himself (and Grandmaster Flash and the Sugar Hill Gang and the guys from Run DMC and everyone break-beating in the South Bronx in the late 70s) more credit.

On the rock scale of absurdity, where does this book rank?


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BIG BOB | 12/19/2006, 5:10 pm EST

saying ali invented rap is about as ludacris as saying bob dylan invented rap with subterrenean homesick blues. i will say that ali did inspire a certain style that rap shows such as taking phrases and twisting them into deameaning statements about others as well as boasting about ones own bravado and skill

Brad | 12/19/2006, 5:29 pm EST

REad the article on Chaucer and you will see that Ali was hardly the first to “inspire a certain style that rap shows such as taking phrases and twisting them into deameaning statements about others as well as boasting about ones own bravado and skill”

Brian Fantana | 12/19/2006, 5:34 pm EST

haha n00b you spelled ludicrous wrong.

LIKROPER.COM | 12/19/2006, 6:30 pm EST

rope a dope, baby…

charliemapleton | 12/19/2006, 6:45 pm EST

He did bring to the rap game that combat mentality and swagger-it’s like he was the inner personal trainer to the greatest(pun intended on that one)legends in the game!

bill reese | 12/19/2006, 6:47 pm EST

Al Gore invented the internet
Diddy invented the remix
Courtney Love discovered the Strokes

Ali invented rap?

I’ve heard stranger things

Mm Hm | 12/19/2006, 6:57 pm EST

How is that notion absurd, you fucking hack? Ali could easily be viewed as the founder of rap. From the bravado to the attitude to the rhymed jokes to the musical cadence of his speech. Asking if he is the founder of rap is a valid question, but calling into question the absurdity of this assertion is fucking moronic. Give the man some respect: not many people have had such a huge impact on black culture, especially on comedians and rappers.

test | 12/19/2006, 6:58 pm EST

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www.heatherjeane.com | 12/19/2006, 7:32 pm EST

Apart from the physical violence and etc, Ali was good at rap and boxing too. I’m just sorry he lost that last fight on a TKO, when I went to have cup of tea. His mind is still very good, last time I saw him on NBC, and I did tell Yoko at Studio One by letter about the TKO fight was lost. Then some state govt worker using the name demspey moved in next door, and had to take him and jolly to court for harassing me. they worked for 7 stars hotel jenny garry every night but couldn’t hold a tune. after 911 australian govt had an exhibition at L.O.C for 1920s boxer Dempsey. They destroyed my life. Used a fancy lawyer when I complained about them, firm was I think, Winter. Seven Stars Hotel? Oh 1982 r/s magazine small classied about my small publishing company, seven stars books. so they planned to rip me off, and kill the author of, a journey back too, see http://www.heatherjeane.com link to the title. thanks.

www.heatherjeane.com | 12/19/2006, 7:42 pm EST

oH THEIR BAND USED THE NAME WALLFLOWERS,
http://WWW.HEATHER JEANE.COM
MAYBE ALSO ARRANGED FOR SOME ITALIAN OLD MAN TO PRETEND TO DATE THE AUTHOR AS SHE WAS A WIDOW AS HER EASTERN EUROPEAN HUSBAND PASSED AWAY 1988. SAME ITALIAN ORGANISATION HAD BOUGHT THE HALL AT 2B CHIEF STREET BROMPTOM FROM HER HUSBAND BACK IN 1969, WHEN YELLOW SUBMARINE THE MOVIE WAS MADE ABOUT IT AND THE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET STREET AND ELINOR WHO WENT TO SCHOOL WITH THE PUBLISHER.Good luck!
Back to the future.
Wallflowers?

JD | 12/20/2006, 1:53 am EST

I think rapping goes back to even the 1940s and maybe even earlier, but Ali sure knew how to rap.

matt | 12/20/2006, 2:34 am EST

Ali helped start the rap movement. I couldn’t imagine LL Cool J ever writing Mamma Said Knock You Out without the influence of Ali. Mostly, Ali was a terrific showman. He pumped up his image and toughness throughout his boxing career. This attitude had a tremendous impact on the rap community. Overall, Ali is so tough, he makes medicine sick.

Scotty Checkbooks | 12/20/2006, 10:10 am EST

We all know that Saran invented rap, silly!

Boner | 12/20/2006, 10:20 am EST

Rap aint music bitches.

Kliffee | 12/20/2006, 11:51 am EST

The Last Poets were the first rappers. Check ‘em out on amazon.com

Rock God | 12/20/2006, 1:23 pm EST

ALI INVENTED YO MAMA.

BIG BOB | 12/20/2006, 2:19 pm EST

ali was a punk

joe frazier | 12/20/2006, 2:26 pm EST

you guys are full of shit. ali was a sissy who made silly rhymes to talk shit about people…come to think of it, i guess that is all rap really is anyway so…

joe frazier | 12/20/2006, 2:27 pm EST

“but calling into question the absurdity of this assertion is fucking moronic.”
Mm hmm, you’re a confusing fuck

charliemapleton | 12/20/2006, 4:12 pm EST

Big Boi,you don’t mean punk in a sissy way,do you?

ryan | 12/20/2006, 8:42 pm EST

rap sucks who gives a fuck

Voice of Reason | 12/21/2006, 1:24 am EST

Ali likes his Martini’s shaken, not stirred.

slow down cowboy | 12/21/2006, 2:11 pm EST

voice of reason…sigh…you better hope michael j. fox doesn’t read this post or you’re in big trouble mister.

SHiN | 12/25/2006, 3:36 am EST

dude, i donno what crack yo on wit this 1. while im sure ali was a great boxer, he was hardly the godfather of rap. thats like sayin mr. t was the godfather of bling. and u cant rate rap or anyone havin 2 do wit rap on a rock scale of absurdity. if u gonna do that u may as well rate bob dylan or rollin stones on a rap scale of wackness.

jonny944 | 12/25/2006, 4:49 pm EST

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