He did not pick up an endorsement from Mike Huckabee. get your facts straight.

In a feeding frenzy, the sharks start eating each other.

In the end, who cares? The Dem leadership is lurching to the left, the Repubs are purging their party, so what? They’re both so out of step with normal America, I hope this hastens their demises…and each side is going to spin this meaningless race for their own gain, unfortunately for the will of the people in U-23. The real weather vane of the new political air will be in New Jersey…if Corzine is drummed out, then Obama is in trouble.

Now, more than ever, is the time for the formation of a center party…I’d bet plenty of Blue Dog Dems and Moderate Repubs would jump to join. The whole system has become an ideological morass that seriously needs reform…and that movement obviously isnt going to come from the Spend Till We Drop Dems or the Party of No Ideas Republicans.

She was a Democrat Just because a man wears a dress does not make him a woman.In order to eat your own they have to be your own Dede was owned Sunday!

Almost 10 months in and the Democrats are fighting each other too. The big tent strategy doesn’t work for either party. Having like minds would give an ideology to work with. The Democrats have no plan. If the Democrats had a plan, there would already be a lot of things already done since they hold a vast majority in both chambers of congress and also hold the White House.

There are many Republicans who are for low taxes, little government but are also for Gay Marriage…..The right wing is shrinking.

I’ve got an idea for the GOP….

Other than disintegrating forever, maybe they outta think about things like this:

1. Quit with the anti-government rans when you are the party of war.

2. Stop the the ‘entitlements’ rants, against minorities of wealth and race, if you’re not going to include the entitlements to the oil/coal/banking/insurance industries.

3. Enough with the anti-immigrant stance. Period.

Or, just continue to eat your young, fresh newcomers just to ensure your trocloditic ideology.

Question: Does Sarah Palin run on batteries?

Excellent, I hope they keep ‘consolidating’ towards insanity. The more they ‘coalesce’ towards intolerance and absurdity, the easier it will be for them to paint themselves as incapable of self governance, much less governing the affairs of the people.
In fact, the more radical Republicans are as.sociated with Glenn Beck and co. the better.

It’s funny that they try to characterize the democrats as becoming more leftists, a pitiful attempt at accusing the opponent of being just like them. This is only happening within their minds, the more people from the center that support democrats, the more centrist they become.
Of course, they got a lot of support from the centrists in the last election, even though they weren’t increasing membership. Most Americans don’t consider themselves members of any particular party anyway.

I don’t think you and the rest of the libs get this. This is indeed a jihad, but it is not a Moral Majority-inspired jihad. Plain and simple, tea-partiers like me are no longer going to tolerate RINO’s who are not conservative on economic issues. Therefore, if you are for big government and high taxes and against business (and by that I mean real businesses, large and small, not Wall Street), you are going to get pushed out. We are sick and tired of the likes of backstabbers like Olympia Snowe, Arlen Specter and both Bushes, 41 and 43, who consistently betray us and vote for big spending and big government.

As to hot-button social issues … many conservatives do care, but that’s not what this is all about. We can accept a Rudy Guiliani in our tent.

Steve, How goes life in the state of default and failure? While you are going broke and complaining about wealth in the land of Pelosi, I am sure you feel good knowing your state prison guards get to retire with pensions of over $100K annually.

You also need to learn the difference between anti-immigrant, which sounds good in a Democratic advertisement, and anti-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

You also might trying to use real words, “trocloditic” is not a real word as far as I can find.

There is massive illegal immigration and Obama and the dems will have permanent control. Obama is going to get 6 supreme court picks. One party rule isn’t good for america but we are in permanent one party rule because of demographic changes.

There is no room for a third party because the dems have a permanent majority with massive immigration. The battle for eternity will be which candidate is more liberal and that is how we will pick elections. The dems have a hold on the southwest because of immigration and John Mccain got wiped out there and if he got wiped out with hispanics it just shows that we are now a permanent one party system.

I wonder if the dumbacrats will be able to steal the New Jersey governors race the way they stole the Minn. senate race.

Here’s an excerpt of what Soothsayer actually said in response to my post:

“Well my dad can beat up your dad.”

Reread what you wrote Sooth. What, in god’s name did you actually say? Anything? And, thanks for clarifying that you don’t like illegal immigrants. Wasn’t John Lennon an illegal? Gee, they can’t be that bad then, right?

It’d be a lot easier if you replaced the term ‘illegal immigrant’ with the term ‘mexican’. We all know that’s what you mean………..even though you’d probably never admit it.

Troglodytic: a person characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes.

Ever so sorry for the misspelling Sooth. I didn’t know you were so pompous as to make a big deal about a spelling error. How you supported the last president, who had major trouble pronouncing anything. In fact, didn’t he make up words??

What you fail to understand, poor little munchkin brain, is that the radicals being manipulated by the wealthy here, are no different than the munchkin brains being manipulated by the wealthy there.

Politicians bought out by the wealthy that control important industries like construction and armament makers control both side and collude with each other to keep the tension level up.

Here, it is legalized and sponsored by government because the government is owned by corporations. There, the ruling entity hides behind religion, but the mechanism and the intentions are the same. Conflict allows them to remain in power and being in power, even by force, they have access to the collective efforts and productivity of the population and the wealth they create. In other words, slaves, only difference is the morons here are just a bit more comfortable and much more ignorant. Congratulations, you thought you were educated but you were not, in fact, they are even braver than you because they are willing to give up their lives to fight their enemy, however misguided they may be in their perception of that enemy. You merely provide your own vaseline and imagine yourself well served.

Tim I am so glad you, and all the other liberals in the media are concerned about the fate of the Republican party. I love how liberals are constantly telling us how to save the Republican party. The fact is you are really scared to death of the party returning to it’s conservative ideals. Forty percent of Americans idenify themselves as conservative, and only 20% liberal, those numbers don’t bode well for the left. What you really want is for the Republicans to keep running RINO’s that are easily defeated, or that will roll over to the left’s agenda.

Steve, CA….A liberal playing the race card, what a surprise. The fact is most Americans don’t approve of illegal immigration, including the majority of dumbacrats. The left does not give a rats ass about Mexicans, they simply want them so they can get votes. Liberals are the biggest racist on this planet. Liberals are all for blacks as long as blacks act the way liberals want them to act, but let one become conservative and liberals have no problem calling them every racist name in the book.

We’ve been electing to the presidency since 1856 Republicans and Democrats. One or the other. Every time.

I am with those who believe we need representation outside the ossified two party system; in fact, my first presidential election, in 1992, was for independent Ross Perot.

More and more I see that Ralph Nader has it nailed in describing what ails the American political system. Even more direct is Nader’s take on the electorate.

I expect nothing from the 2009 elections; others can make of it what they insist.

Its not concern porky, its a source of enjoyment at watching the beast eat itself and not even recognize it’s own teeth.
Its like pulling up a shark with the signs of a bigger shark’s bite on it. A source of wonder and concern over monster shark that is unseen, without a sense of loss for the smaller one we can see.

This habit of labeling people as ‘illegal’ because they have chosen to migrate from a place where resources are scarce to where they are plentiful is a modern phenomenon and steeped in racism. Bottom line is you are talking about people, and the only reason to deny them that freedom of movement and to find gainful employment, to seek happiness, is to punish them, take their money and imprison them in indentured servitude without legal recourse.

Ever wonder why your kind cannot recognize that as being inhuman? Perhaps you are one of those not created equal?

Steve – Thank you for trying to read my mind, don’t quit your day job. Your analysis is interesting, it immediately goes to aggression and violence, though I have no idea why, and racism, typical liberal attempts to label people that don’t match their views. They can’t refute the argument so they slander and name call. So again how is it in the land of default and retired prison guards getting over $100k a yr?

Your inability to spell is more of a statement on the CA public schools than my ability to translate your poor writing.

Anon: Illegal means in violation of the law. Doesn’t matter where you are from or what you are doing if you run a red light that is an illegal driver. I know liberalism is kinda hazy on laws and the concept of enforcement “such a bummer”. But I am sure when sure when someone stole 50 of your pot plants you would be the first to call the police to complain about your rights being violated.

P.S. Steve my father died when I was a child so I have NEVER contemplated the concept of “My father can beat your father”

Anonymous– Unfortunately, there is such a thing as sovereignty. Illegal immigration is unfair to those who follow the rules, and give up years of their time to become citizens. Not to mention that illegals rob our citizens of jobs and indenture the poor people into near wage slavery. The only people who win are the drug cartels there and big business here.

Our system needs to be massively overhauled. We’ve been clunking along with an outdated system that is essentially unchanged since our last big wave of immigration in the early 1900s. The process needs to be streamlined and modernized, badly. The better we facilitate the process of legal immigration, the better it’ll be for everyone who wants to be a citizen.

But to suggest that everyone who comes here illegally is just some blameless peasant looking for work, espescially in the age of international terrorism and drug cartels, strikes one as a folly that belies the complex situation of our immigration policy. Simply leaving our borders open solely on the idea of good faith is a dangerous, dangerous way of thinking.

I dont think anyone but the most xenophobic have a problem with immigrants, as all of us were at some point in our family histories. That said, we’re a nation governed over by the rule of law, and rules should be followed. Our sovereignty and laws should not be thrown under the bus simply because other nations have mismanaged their economies…do it legally, they way everyone else did.

“The fact is you are really scared to death of the party returning to it’s conservative ideals”

You call that a fact? Gee, now we’re all tuned in to how you get your information. You think of it, then call it a fact.

Keep using the “I’m rubber and you’re glue” argument. It’s a real good defense.

Once again, I’ll contend, that the next time we hear somebody relevant admit that they’re a racist will be the first. And, the next time I hear one of Cap Piglet’s buddies complain about the northern border will be the first. It IS and always WILL be a color thing. Canadians are, for the most part, white. Therefore, they get a pass into this country…………..

It is really funny to hear racists hide behind ‘the law’. It was against the constitution since it’s ratification to treat any person as a lesser being, yet women were ‘lawfully’ denied the vote, people were ‘lawfully’ enslaved, and oligarchs ‘lawfully’ protected.

At some point ‘humanity’ trumps ‘legality’, except in inhuman minds.

Why is it that those who champion ‘legality’ in dealing with migrants looking for gainful employment don’t exhibit the same fervor in seeking punishment for those engaged in fraudulent commerce to such an extent that they affected the world’s stability?

Why is it they didn’t champion ‘legality’ when our nation was being deceptively being sent into insane wars?

Why do they not champion ‘illegality’ and support a bill that would end any government business or support for companies that have been found guilty of criminal acts or have paid restitution without admitting guilt of some very haenious crimes?

Because they understand that some very unjust ‘laws’ have been passed by very corrupt people, and that the effectiveness of a law is determined by the willingness to enforce them and the punishment imposed by them. It’s illegal to dump pollution into the waters, but the minimal fines and lax enforcement make it more ‘profitable’ to ignore them. It’s profitable to destroy the environment which affects us all, so profit and money win out over people and common sense.

Jed Clampett

Sovereignty is for kingdoms, feifdoms, not a civilized republic of the people, by the people and for the people; particularly when it is only considered a breech of sovereignty when it is poor people involved.
When bringing in foreigners to take American jobs at lower wages, that’s considered legal and not a breech of sovereignty.
The ones who affect millions of people and the whole economy with their breeches of sovereignty, use of children as labor, paying measly wages to undocumented workers, they never get punished or the punishment is minimal… perhaps they should be imprisoned for decades and deported away from their families, since they are the enablers, the main cause of the problem.
The people who can’t afford an attorney or don’t understand law suffer the full weight of the law, even charged with imagined crimes like not speaking English, but those who can afford to pay and can afford expensive lawyers because of their abuse, they get treated with kid gloves.
I wonder why that is? Could it be they are corrupt so they protect the corrupt?

Jed– No, you’re completely in the wrong…sovereignty is the founding block upon which the modern state system exists. Were it not the case, we’d still be a colony of England. Without sovereignty, a state is meaningless…why have borders? why have laws? Do you really think that emulating sovereignless states like Somalia, Afghanistan, Lebanon and other failed states is a good idea? We’re a civilized republic precisely because of our concept of sovereignty and the rule of law…without either of those, we’re no better than any failed state elsewhere.

Bottom line is, we absolutely need to reform our immigration system so that those who want to come legally are able to do so, much more expediently. And businesses using illegal immigrants as wage slaves ought to be punished, severely. We ought to be looking at the EU’s system of allowing cross border workers permits and whatnot; people get to work wherever, but sovereignty is not compromised. But to simply throw ought national identity and sovereignty out the window because of economic mismanagement elsewhere and bleeding heart concerns strikes any sane person as inherently risky and dumb.

The Republican party is conservative. Deal with it. There will be no comprimise. Those not in line may go somewhere else. Good riddance.

Jed Clampett

Imagine there’s no country
it’s easy if you try
nothing to kill or die for
above us only sky

Imagine all the people
living life in peace

you choose to imagine fear and enemies all about and therefore make enemies out of everything around you, including people willing to work hard. The hypocrisy of the whole thing is that the providers of employment get to enjoy the work of these folks at a measly wage and are never punished in a meaningful way. Armies are built and treasure wasted in protecting that sovereignty, supposedly for the people, in reality for a king and his court, the oligarchy. What good is a sovereignty when all it protects is the criminal designs of a few powerful idiots?

Sovereignty is just a convenient excuse to keep people enslaved to a particular country, or to foment divisions, or to rile the population into violence towards a particular group; through sovereignty and ‘patriotism’ people are cajoled and sometimes ‘forced’ into going to kill and die, even though they might choose to live somewhere else instead. The original inhabitants of these lands, before pale people came to steal it from them, only knew their family groups and that they belonged to the land, not the other way around. Now you have land but no family, no sense of kinship… nice going. What’s your next stupid human trick?

We would do well to have a little heart in what we do, not just the ruthless pursuit of profit without any concern for others or the world we share, then perhaps our laws would be as intended, for the benefit of all rather than a well placed few.
When people consider everything in a selfish manner, they tend to forget our shared humanity. Pretty soon they start acting worse than animals, insects almost, and that shows in the vile way they express themselves.

Jed– The whole kumbayah bit is a bit pretentious, given reality, isnt it? In the modern era of global terrorism, narco cartels, rogue states, people trafficking, theres no need to imagine fear or enemies, all you have to do is look around.

You should know better than most; across the border from Texas is Juarez, the most dangerous city in the hemisphere. In San Ysidro, south of where I used to live in San Diego, the drug runners routinely strafed border crossings, in broad daylight, outgunning the border patrol. Our Northern border is even more porous and unguarded. I guess you slept through 9/11, I guess you believe everyone who comes in does so for peace and love, I guess you’re dumb enough to believe your own cr@p, regardless of the facts on the ground. Go wander around the border and see if your peace and love BS flies with the drug and people runners. I’m sure they’ll be totally “groovy” with it, man.

Your myth about the indians is bogus as well…their tribe was their nation, and they fought one another, over land, territory, resources. These were not foreign concepts brought by whites. The Souix, Apache, Lakota Souix, Arapaho, Mohawk, and other bands were all known as dangerous warrior bands amongst more peaceful tribes.

So, sorry Jed, human nature time and time again speaks to the contrary. Maybe if you left your little insulated liberal world once in awhile you’d know that real life is still nasty, brutish, and short…I mean, really, flower power is an excellent response to heavily armed narco-terrorists…whats YOUR next stupid human trick Jed? You seem to have an inexhaustable supply…

There is no compromising with the weirdo, Palin-supporting far Right. Not only are they unreasonable, they are unreasoning. There is no way of discussing anything with them. Of course they lost in the 23rd, but if the crotchety old farts in the Democratic Senate don’t shift it into overdrive and very soon, the GOP WILL make big gains in 2010. The best we can hope for then is that the wacko Conservative Party will win enough seats to form a poison faction within a Republican majority and split the right in two. Obama may just be able to eke out a few minor victories in that environment. Of course I hope this doesn’t happen, and will do everything I can to prevent it, but the Dems seem set on a blind-as-a-bat Harry Reid-led course of self-destruction.

BOKO!

I know I shouldn’t go here based upon history but do you own ANY investments? stocks? 401k? or is all of you money under your mattress waiting for the “Great uprising of the workers?

Because if you DO own any wouldn’t you be a “evil corporate shareholders” ?
Jed:
“The hypocrisy of the whole thing is that the providers of employment get to enjoy the work of these folks at a measly wage and are never punished in a meaningful way”?

They lost me, a lifelong Barry Goldwater republican. They called him a RINO because he believed that the government has no business in people’s bedrooms.

Jed Clampett

GREED… it’s the root of all evil. from it, all other sins (subservient illogical notions of self), are engendered.

Greed allows the few to hoard the wealth that is generated by the many, it places the individual in an untenable pedestal above the rest of humanity. This elevation creates envy in those who see it and realize they could not attain such a position given the lack of resources available.
Envy leads to lust, gluttony, a hunger for power and control that can be expressed violently, sexually, criminally and selfishly.
The ones on the pedestal start to act extravagantly, prideful, with no sense of humility or concern for their fellow humans, showing off their accomplishments without concern for the needs of the others. Because others, who are envious of their wealth, and the needy are clamoring for a trickle they become acrimonious, vile and incompassionate, defensive and paranoid, the greed makes them think they are worthy of their wealth and all others are lesser humans because they have not been as ruthless as themselves in the pursuit of wealth.
The wealthy become gluttonous, they hunger for more and more and are never satiated because they don’t understand the real source of their hunger, they have become poor in spirit. They try to satisfy the hunger with material things and push themselves farther and farther away for what they truly seek, spirituality. Eventually, the anger developed in the needy and destitute, and the acrimony developed in the wealthy and proud boils over, the result is the type of senseless violence that takes down empires, destroys lives, causes great hardship and hands humanity to the TRUE ENEMY on a silver platter.

In the last two days we’ve seen people in need loose their humanity and the sense of unity and communion with their fellow human beings. They have exploded in an orgy of killing that keeps repeating itself in this country over and over. The reasons can be easily discerned but seldom truly discussed or even disclosed. Why is that? Why do we prefer to ignore the ugly truth? Why do we avoid the reflection in the mirror?

Why do people like the Gliebe and other Reich Wingers have such a negative view of themselves and humanity? Why do they act and speak with such acrimony, greed, deceit, envy, lust, pride and wanton selfishness?
Perhaps they are weak and find it easier to give in to the dark side, to the external force, to the promise of short term comfort, while ignoring the truth of eternal servitude.
They are easily misled and frequently perturbed at the simplest things, this is because they have given up their inner source, their inner strength, the life force that makes them human.

Perhaps now you begin to understand the messages of the past, the teachings of the sages, the philosophy of theology.

What is that common thread in all religions?
What is that thing that affects humanity in such a way to make it act suicidally, murderously?
Could it be that there truly is an unseen dark force that is destructive and vile, hateful and consuming, perverse and servile? Could it be that there truly is a devil to contend with?
If there is?
then, what is it?
where did it come from?
what is its intent?
How do we counter it?

Let those who still have understanding recognize what is truly happening under the surface, face the fact before you can fix the problem, recognize how some weak minds are being deceived and manipulated; avoid falling into the same self destructive pit that other worlds have fallen into. Failure to do so, failure to act, can mean slavery and an eternity of servitude to a master race that would make Pol Pot, Mugabe, Stalin and Hitler seem like saints in comparison.
Be a human, not a machine, an automaton, a soulless being.

Get it yet???

Based on history? HA!!

Is your 401k worth as much now that the Reich Wingers had their way with the economic engine?

When you put your money into the fund your company subscribes to, do you have any control on what the fund manager invests it in?

If your money had been saved in a can in the back yard instead of the black jack tables, would you have more than what evaporated with the collapse?

Is your most prized possession, the home you live in, worth much less today because of the failed policies of those who were supposed to know better and actually did?

When 1% of the people control 98% of the wealth of this nation, it doesn’t matter what the 99% choose to do with their money, it truly has absolutely no bearing on the overall economy. It is totally out of the people’s control. And the recent ‘collapse’ merely shifted the balance of wealth to the already overfunded.

Scuzzyflava was a great choice to represent Republicans. About as much as if Huckabee was picked to be on a Democrat ticket.

Jed Clampett

Strange, when I look around I see a species afflicted with an illness. A parasitic disease that robs them of their life force, their spirit and their connection to the creator and it’s creation.

Robbed of prosperity, education, happiness, and even hope, I see them act in inhuman ways.
I see how those that have turned their backs on humanity and have worshiped wealth, have endangered the entire system that makes this planet a living organism due to their selfishness and violent nature.
I see things much different than you my dear young insect… not a grasshopper, more like a roach… but then again, I’ve had the fortune of remembering my personal past and my spiritual past as well, which enables me to see into my home world’s history with a much different perspective… not that you would have the mental or spiritual capacity to understand, much less accept, what I am trying to tell you and also warn you about.

So, denigrate John Lennon’s message as ‘kumbaya’, and look down upon the spiritual, the religious and pacifists, those things you don’t have enough spirit to possibly understand.
Worship wealth, violent power, selfishness and intolerance, you will soon get what you want for others, perhaps you will be trapped by your insensitivity to eternal repetition of deficient lives.
Myself, I feel that we should all bask in prosperity, good health, kindness and spiritual growth, but then again, I’m sure the kingdom I seek to promote has no boundaries, no walls, no borders, exclusivity or inequality.
Denigrate it as ‘kumbaya’ if you wish, but mine leads to happiness and freedom to explore; yours leads to fear and servitude to dogma and greed, in the end, you get to make the choice. Given what you repeatedly express on these boards, it seems evident you’ve already made the illogical choice.

Anon, you must be getting your stats from Jed.
“When 1% of the people control 98% of the wealth of this nation, it doesn’t matter what the 99% choose to do with their money”…

Top 1% own about 33% of the nation’s wealth.

big government nanny staters miss thegoal of personal freedom lost by my 1960,s generation. agovernment that spoon feeds you enslaves you . vote GOP libertarian. you have much to lose but abrilliant future to gain .LOVE TO ALL OF YOU

big government nanny staters miss thegoal of personal freedom lost by my 1960,s generation. agovernment that spoon feeds you enslaves you . vote GOP libertarian. you have much to lose but abrilliant future to gain .LOVE TO ALL OF YOU

yes, serfdom is much better. Fiefdoms are the way to go. We make an all powerful king(ceo) that controls all the wealth and enjoys the good things in life while we work and work to make him happy. If we get sick, we get tossed aside, discarded like a soldier with PTSD.
Long live the King!
Hopefully, he’ll pay us enough to feed ourselves and our families, so let’s work harder so we don’t loose our jobs.
It’s not slavery, we get a salary, don’t we?

I’d rather have a caring government that’s understanding and is willing and able to help me out of a difficult situation, than live under a King who only cares about how much money i can make him so he can chase his caviar dreams anc champagne wishes.

Jed– I criticize it as kumbayah only because it is so detached from the realities of life.

You can spout all the peace and love bull you want, because you dont have to actually practice it in real life. You live in your nice little air conditioned, liberal bubble, untouched by realities hardships. You can be pretentious and mouth empty, faux spiritual platitudes precisely because you know nothing of life beyond your insulated world…you dont have to actually practice what you preach, you can comfortably make grand prounouncements from your bourgeoisie life of comfort, and not have to suffer any consequences. The closest turmoil and hardship come to you is what you read in the paper or see in the nightly news. You, with your many protected freedoms, experience nothing close to real hardship in this country…you can say and do just about whatever you want and not have to live under threat of constant harm. Only someone so comfortably removed from life actual nasty, brutish and short nature would ever dare to utter such ridiculous pap.

Go meet up with some of those drug runners Jed, and we’ll see how far you singing Imagine will get you in the face of an AK-47. Go sing Imagine to the poor child sex slaves, I’m sure they’ll feel all warm and fuzzy afterwards. Why, if only we had sent you to Darfur to sing Imagine at the Janjaweed, why we could have averted the genocide!

Its a wonder anyone takes you seriously anymore Jed, given your apparent disconnect from the harsh realities of life…

Anon– How about this; you be your own master, in charge of your own self, and not trade one king (a CEO) for another (Nanny Govt.)…whats your next cliche platitude from Das Kapital? I’m surprised you dont end your posts with a call to “Workers of the World, Unite!” like a good little leftist, class warfare baiting drone…

Jed Clampett

Well, you seem to know everything about me just by imagining what I’ve seen and what I’ve done. Never mind where I’m from and what I’ve actually lived. You should stop imagining everyone having as comfortable and isolated a life as yourself, you might recognize reality beyond what the TV presents you with.

Had I succumbed to hatred and fear from living under a dictatorship, as you have done from watching tv, perhaps I would have as negative a view of humanity as you do. But I can look around and recognize that the brutish, evil and sadistic are actually few, the majority of people are actually pacifist and kind, they just don’t make the news like the violent and mean do. Usually, the despicable in nature are driven by the wealthy and comfortable who can spend a few million from the safety of their air conditioned offices and send a group of thugs to harass the poor and destitute. Sadly, they can do this because they have created the conditions for those thugs to do horrible things for a few dollars, it’s just doing their job. They do this because of the insane amounts of wealth they have hoarded, I can as.sure you, that is the case with the drug running cartels, which incidentally wouldn’t be so were it not for Americans’ insatiable appetite for drugs, a symptom of their poverty in spirit.

In Darfur, the people are being abused because they stand in the way of those who want to get the oil under their lands.
That is driven by wealthy fks who don’t seem to get enough and are willing to kill the poor to steal it all for themselves, they won’t share with anyone, much like you and your selfish nature.

You seem to be making a case for the elimination of all humanity, and if I subscribed to your point of view, I might be inclined to make it so, as so many thugs seem to relish doing, but I recognize exactly what is afflicting humanity, and in fact, how easy it is to remove it from ones self. All it would take is a little effort to separate them from their hosts, just the right notes from an appropriately tuned device and they’d be ripped apart. Raptured, so to speak.

It’s only 1% that need to be stripped of their wealth to allow that money to work for all instead of a selfish few. Separated from their comfort and made to live among the needy would perhaps make them put their talent to work for the benefit of all, if they had any talent to begin with besides thievery.

That wasn’t a criticism, it was an insult. He finds anything remotely spiritual or religious is a folly because he has no spirituality or religion. Since he sees himself as high and mighty, everything not meeting his views is unworthy of consideration and deserving of ridicule and persecution.

Now it becomes clear why you express yourself in the way you do Merk, you imagine human beings as all being brutish and evil in nature so you will have a convenient excuse to act that way yourself. It was the same excuse used by the brown shirts, the followers of Mao, PolPot and those that carried out the will of Stalin. Had there been no people like you willing to carry out the inhuman and immoral orders of authoritarians, the rest of us, the peaceful majority would be able to evolve rather than remain stagnant, conserving the current monopoly on power.

A fantastic rage filled tirade once again, peppered with your usual attribution of invented intentions and discrediting through falsehoods… I guess that’s what you consider ‘intelligent discourse’ yet chastise others when they do it to you, what a hypocrite, your can’t even believe yourself. It becomes evident in the subtext of your tirade when you loose control and start projecting.
Thanks, you needed to be exposed, again.

Anon– No more insulting than the idea that complex problems involving sex trafficking and narco-terrorism could be solved by a joint pow wow singing Imagine…I dont find myself hight or mighty, as I know my inconsequential little place in the cosmos…as such, I dont go around preaching moronic, faux spiritual platitudes that I have no intention of ever carrying out (but others should follow, as Jed is a real “do as I say, not as I do” guy), and I dont get incensed when such moronic trivialities are called out as being such.

So anything as unrealistic and moronic deserves ridicule…if Jed doesnt want criticism and ridicule, then he shouldnt utter such empty, hippie-dippie sentiments. Flower power and new age spiritualism are fine and dandy for one’s personal life, but they have no bearing in the sort of global reality where someone would just as soon kill for the simple reason that they can.

That said, he’s more than welcome to try…though somehow I dont think Imagine will resonate very well with well armed drug thugs…hopefully Jed will let us all know how his big “Give Peace a Chance” Border Tour 09 goes…that is, if he has the stones to walk the walk.

When you base your 38% on 9 year old census data, you will be providing stale references.

http://www.workingthough ts.com/2009/04/23/wealth-distr ibution-charts-and-graphs-1991 2008.aspx

While this data is also a bit stale, the trend can help you understand just what has happened over the last decade to ‘wealth distribution’ This did not happen by accident, but by design and with help of Yale and Harvard graduated ‘economic geniuses’ and the ‘experts’ entrenched at the highest levels of ‘industry’ and ‘government’.

While looking at the data you should understand that it is 5 years old and it doesn’t include the huge transfer of wealth from the investing public and the general public to the investment banks and other beneficiaries of the economic collapse.

Incredibly Inept– Uh, yeah, I’m the one projecting…coming from the guy who just compared me to the Brown Shirts and Khmer Rouge…for having the gall to suggest that perhaps singing Imagine isnt the best way to combat sex smugglers and narco terrorists. But hey, its alright to care as long as you dont have to actually do something about it, right Incredibly Inept?

And my observation of people tending to do nasty and brutish things is not novel…Locke, Hobbes, and on back to the classical Greeks have all ruminated on it. Marx believed it could be conquered by making everyone equal to the means of production, Bakunin believed it was caused by the modern state system. Every great machination in political thought has hinged on the thought that humans can be improved. Free will goes a long way, as every individual has a choice between the two…but one who doesnt have such a view would seem to be ignorant of history, no? The Holocaust, genocide of native peoples, slavery, religious war, war in general, and on down the line are endemic to our species. Ever since Cain bludgeoned Abel, the nature of man has not changed, merely the weaponry. So please excuse me if I make no bones about not sugar-coating the harsh realities of life. You dont belive life is nasty, brutish, and short, you need to leave your little pompous, high minded bubble every once in awhile and see how the other 85% of the world lives. Go wander around the backstreets of Cairo or Rio at midnight, and see how far your compassionate high-mindedness gets you.

So, Mr. Inept, I have dont nothing on these boards but champion the cause of individual liberty in the face of tyranny on these boards…perhaps YOU infer a bit too much. If anything, I’m a consumate realist and dont waste time conversing in empty, faux-platitudes that sound great in a little hobgoblin of like minded liberal minds, but are incredibly out of step for realistic solutions to problems. If you dont want to acknowledge the nasty realities of life, thats your problem, not mine.

Jed Clampett

You SHOULD be insulted by such a preposterous idea… ‘complex problems involving sex trafficking and narco-terrorism could be solved by a joint pow wow singing imagine’… and the fact that you are the only idiot who thought of it should speak volumes to you about your own lack of culture or even basic reasoning ability beyond finding ways of distorting the ideas of others so you can denigrate them and ignore their message.

What is truly moronic is that you can take such rhetoric and call it civil discourse, it is beneath the expectations of human intelligence and in the realm of insects.
Perhaps you are too uncultured to understand that what Lennon is saying is that our common humanity and understanding of each others’ plight should supersede everything else in our thinking(particularly self centrism) and if we choose to act so as to create the civilized world we imagine, we can make IT reality rather than the hateful world those like you impose on the rest of us. It is the same message that Jesus and other messengers have brought us and tried to show by example how to bring into existence; evidently, you don’t have the mental or spiritual development to make such a connection, to extrapolate such a complex concept from mere poetry; like an insect, all you know is the automatons way, following the instinct to consume, hoard and be selfish, that brutish nature you’ve internalized and attempt to saddle all of humanity with.

You invariably take a persons’ words and make them into something they are not, you distort them and make them into something beyond reason; you do it because that is the only way you can satisfy your desire to argue rather than converse or even rationally debate. You have no realistic argument or retort to what others post, so you must distort it into something that your limited intellect can handle, the products of your own imagination. It invariably results in you being seen as ignorant and intransigent, yet you fail to see that and consider yourself a subject matter expert, insulting anyone who has a different opinion, this is the hallmark of self pride, a misplaced overabundance of confidence borne from lack of experience or self control. Seems that your only intent is to drive us away from a place we have chosen to try to converse about global issues, despite all your attestations to the contrary, it evinces your lack of respect or valuation of other speakers opinions. Though you would hate to admit it and therefore never will, it is truly un-American, so why don’t you get the fk out and let us chat in peace? Go to someplace where your schpiel is appreciated and celebrated.

You call those of us who attempt to present you with a different point of view unrealistic and moronic, but invariably you respond to the distortions you yourself have created. Perhaps you are incapable of recognizing your mental prison and prefer to lash out in violent outbursts engendered in fear when it’s pointed out to you, but unless you are truly deficient in mental resilience, I think you are very much aware of your predicament by now.
In our distant past we used to deal with those afflicted like you by taking their lives, we cleared out much of the American continent of your kind back then, but in the end it was really not a solution, it merely shifted the problem in time and space, putting it off on other cultures and a different generation, it takes some of us longer than a couple of lifetimes to come to such a realization; others never accept such an eternal gift and burden.

It’s unfortunate that rather than try to help yourself out of the hole in the muck in which you reside you would choose to drag others into it with your acrimony and lack of civility, but I would not expect much different from those who prefer to make their world a hell rather than paradise, I’ve been dealing with your kind for a long time. The rest of us understand that only by being individuals with a sense of community and compa.ssion for each other can we overcome what is happening in our planet, unfortunately, no one can FORCE you into making that realization, you must accept it and enact it on your own.

You should watch these 3 episodes of southpark, perhaps then you will understand…

southparkstudio s dot com /episodes/118663

Jed– Yawn…oh, wait, I’m sorry, were you rambling about yourself distorting others words and devolving the discourse down to insults, ironically, using the same tactics that you accuse me of using, or did my puny insect mind lose track somewhere along the way? Why my dear fellow, it seems the pot has called the kettle black once again!

Jed, I havent been violent towards you, I merely present a side of an argument you always conviently ignore, and dont like to hear because it doesnt fit into your tidy little presuppositions about how you think life is. I tend to deal with global realities, you tend to lean towards idealism; I deal with the way things are, you the way they ought to be. However, the way things get done is via pragmatism and being realistic.

The problem with your little Imagine prospect is that it hinges on the fact that all people will interpret its message, or will even listen in the first place. Also, believing that sort of stuff dissolves initiative…why do something about drug terrorism and sex slavery? But singing Imagine sure makes one feel good, and thus, allows you to sweep the harsh realities of life comfortably under the rug, without having to do anything. After all, what has Imagine, as an idea, accomplished? It didnt end the Vietnam War, it didnt prevent genocides in Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur. It hasnt averted droughts, cruelty, famines, and the like. On the ground, where things really matter, in the dirt and stink of real life, its been irrelevant. But, it sure helps high-minded types like yourself sleep at night while not really doing anything to change the current situation. You and your ilk have been preaching Imagine for over 60 years, and we’re no better or worse for it. Change, real substantive change, only comes when people are willing to give all, blood, sweat, and tears for what they believe in. That is what brings peopel together, not emptily singing Imagine, hoping things will get better. Imagination, without action, is meaningless. Which is why you like it Jed…you can pompously preach to everyone else on these boards about everything that rankles you, but you dont have to actually do anything about it. Lech Walesa and Vaclav Havel didnt sit around singing Imagine, regimes have not been toppled the world over by singing Imagine. People got motivated, and took action, and put everything on the line for what they believed in. Yet, your still sitting around singing Imagine feeling superior to everyone else because, hey, at least you care right?

The only one attacking people is YOU Jed. You routinely insult myself, and others you disagree with on these boards. You routinely paint broad swaths of people, such as the “rich” and the “Reich Wing,” disparagingly and without couth. So if you really want to start point the uncivility finger, you had best better look in the mirror…again, I’m not going anywhere just because I’m an inconvenient spotlight on your hypocrisy.

I’m still waiting for how your “Give Peace A Chance” Border Tour 09 is going…

OMG!!

forget it Jed, he’s incapable of an original thought, much less higher level reasoning.
He probably doesn’t even realize he just made the long winded version of the ‘I know you are, but what am I’ retort.
What’s even funnier, he thinks its refined and cultured behavior, worthy of an aristocrat.

Here porky, have another morsel, just one more bite, it won’t hurt you. Nice Job!