Lieberman is a former Democrat and would still be a Democrat if the Democrats didn’t dump him for a guy that couldn’t beat Lieberman. He still sides with the Democrats. He just doesn’t side with Reid and Pelonsi, both of which have approval ratings sometimes in the single digits and often in the teens.

Jed Clampett

Tesla invented his devices for electronic therapy and healing in 1898 with great success. Helped his friend Sam Clemens(mark twain) heal his chronic ailments.
In the 1920s to 40s, French Professor and Dr. D’arsonvale introduced Engineer Georges Lakhovsky’s electronic machinery that had enjoyed great success in healing some very gruesome chronic diseases. After some initial popularity, it was relegated to obscurity.
In the 1940’s and 50s Royal Raymond Rife revealed his theories and devices for actually healing all sorts of diseases, reportedly achieving cures to such devastating ailments as cancers, TB and herpes. After it became popular and the source of great hope in medicine, political appointees made war on him and destroyed his work and his life.

It’s sad to see that after 100+ years, we are still no further ahead than we were in the mid 1800 with respect to the treatment of diseases.
The proven theories and techniques proposed by men of science have been ignored with preference to pharmaceuticals and huge profits for a few well positioned corporations with powerful political allies.
What these scientist have proven is that illness is caused by organisms that are much smaller than even the smallest cells of the body. They proved that with high frequency devices tuned to the organisms in the right way, they could destroy the invaders without damaging human tissue. This would have been a great way to heal and eliminate the scourge of disease on our populations and provide for ‘the general well being’ of the public.

Unfortunately, profit trumped science and caring for our fellow human beings.
How can these politicians continue to support the very corporations that perpetrated this massive fraud on the unsuspecting and uninformed American public and the world?
MONEY
In their eyes, their wealth and well being was more important than anything else, including their compatriots, their environment and their nation. I guess they fail to see that the web of life makes us all interconnected and we are all affected when some of it’s threads are destroyed. In the very same way that they fail to see how the organisms whose job it is to handle decay and decomposition are allowed to thrive within the human species; what it means when forests are destroyed, allowing fungi to float freely and invade the people’s lungs, sinuses, skin etc.; what it means to poison the waters and air which provide the substances for a healthy life for all creatures.

What their greed induced blindness is causing is no less than the destruction of the only planet capable of sustaining our form of life. It is truly sad to see that the American people allow them to get away with it, that they allow themselves to become slaves much like the people that were brought in chains from Africa and other places to build this nation.
So, when you think about it, are they not our true enemies? Are they not the ones who ‘hate our way of life’? Perhaps we didn’t realize that what they meant by those slogans was protecting the ‘way of life’ that THEY had become accustomed to, the ‘way of life’ of $10000 waste baskets and expensive prostitutes, the ‘way of life’ of Bernie Maddoff and Richard Fuld that recently received a TRILLION dollars to protect it while leaving the peons, the ‘American people’, to fend for themselves.
Sure is a ‘free country’ all right, free for them to continue raping and pillaging the population without remorse, without compassion and without accountability.
I was convinced this was the ‘land of the free and home of the brave’,
seems evident now that it is neither.

It’s amazing that a chameleon can change it’s colors depending on the direction the money winds are blowing from.

Anonymous, I think it’s more revenge than money. After all the Democrats threw Lieberman under the bus. Reid, Kennedy, Obama, Clinton and Pelonsi were on that bus and Lieberman has no love for them. Denying them major victories is his version of punishing them.

Now’s the time to strip Joe of his chairmanship and seniority eh? No ticky no washy.

Even better huh?

A politician given to succumb to his vengeful nature. Dangerous to all and beneficial to only himself and those who tend to be vengeful like him.
Remove him from all power now or he will cause great harm to all.

Joe Liberman went independent so he could get favorable coverage by the right wing media and contributions from right wingers, after all they like him for some reason. i cant see why i never have.

Oh look, Tim got all hot and bothered for no reason. Lieberman was proposing to have the government insure uninsured children and create a pool of insurers to help lower the cost of premiums. Not quite the “public option” plan that is being proposed now, is it, Tim? Not to mention, our financial situation in this country today is far less capable of supporting such an entitlement program as it was back in 2004, which is Lieberman’s reason for opposing it.
Nice work Tim! Now you run along and find someone else to attack who disagrees with your prophet’s plan. Such a good little minion.

Many rant about politicians holding the party line regardless and now that someone goes out and tries to be independent, (not like the VT Independent who is left of Lenin) and he gets castigated and insulted.

Lieberman is a punk who should have been taken care of the last time he ran, but all the brainless Democratic boosters, including Clinton, ran to his rescue. They were terrified that the progressives might win a seat and prove their dinosaur logic wrong. Well we got in anyway, and now we can see where their guy is really at. RECALL LIEBERMAN NOW!

Lieberman along with McCain ran a nasty – campaign of smears & misinformation against Obama in 2008

Palen was even worst

sooth sayer NO
Lieberman does not get complaints for being an independent – but for running – with McCain- a nasty campaign i n 2008 A sleazy ad ran that said ‘ Obama wanted 5 year olds to learn about SEX ‘ When
It was to make sure small kids know how to spot a pedophile. That
showed a real lack of character.
And Vermont Sen Bernie Sanders
has worked hard for average people- NOT JUST CORP PROFITS as the GOP record clearly shows Facts are facts .
http://www.senate.gov

Anonymous, Obama has no problem throwing people “under the bus” and he is president. Reid, Hillary Clinton and Pelonsi do it too. It’s what politicans do and it’s easier to see when they are in power.

The birthers came from Hillary’s team, not the Republicans, and Obama’s team said nothing but lies and continue to do so. Obama’s team’s latest lie is that stimulus package saved or created 30,000 jobs when AP said it created or saved about 3 million jobs.

New info on the 1,199 page health bill:
In short, this bill will help only 8 million Americans yet cost $1 trillion over the first 10 years and 8% after that. The more complex answer is below.

Obama claimed that 48 million Americans didn’t have health insurance and he wouldn’t help illegal aliens even though 10 million of that 48 million were illegal aliens. 17 million were in households making over $50,000 a year.

So that leaves 20 million Americans that make under $50,000 a year and have no health insurance. Now 8 million don’t have health insurance for 2 or more years. Ten million get insurance within the year. Two million get insurance within two year This new bill doesn’t cover 12 million people aka the same 12 million that will get insurance within two years. So the 1,199 page bill is helping the 8 million that haven’t had insurance for 2 or more years.

Opps I goofed, it was 47 million uninsured not 48 million.

Greg you might want to check again the number of jobs the “Stimlus” bill was involved with.

AP – An early progress report on President Barack Obama’s economic recovery plan overstates by thousands the number of jobs created or saved through the stimulus program.
The government’s first accounting of jobs tied to the $787 billion stimulus program claimed more than 30,000 positions paid for with recovery money. But that figure is overstated by least 5,000 jobs, according to an Associated Press review of a sample of stimulus contracts.

The AP review found some counts were more than 10 times as high as the actual number of jobs; some jobs credited to the stimulus program were counted two and sometimes more than four times; and other jobs were credited to stimulus spending when none was produced.

That’s a great way to deflect I guess, ignore the premise and go off on a totally different rant designed to disparage the pres… do you get paid to be obtuse or does it come naturally?
I tend to think you are a paid operative of Reich Wingers who’s sole purpose is to destroy the credibility of gov so that the lemmings will vote Republican next time.

‘has no problem throwing people under the bus’… just what the hell does that mean? Frankly, I wish they would grab all these Faux patriots and toss them under a tank, preferably a Bradley at 20 mph where they would surely burst.

I can understand how you guys are so pro-Lieberman now, considering he’s turned into a corporate stooge, you guys must love his lips. Did you get him some gold plated knee pads?

Hey, they killed Linda Jean Palfrey for selling prostitutes to high rollers… shouldn’t they do the same to lobbyists?

Sooth, the ones who are castigating Lieberman are the blind partisans, who wish to destroy anyone that doesn’t agree with their agenda. To some extent, there were those on the right who did the same thing to Arlen Specter when he switched parties. The difference is Specter chose to switch, Lieberman was stabbed in the back and thrown out the back door.
Anonymous, the government (Dems and Repubs) has done an exceptional job of discrediting itself without any help from Greg D (great post by the way) or outside sources. And who are the “Faux patriots” that you would like to see crushed under a Bradley tank? That sounds rather Mao-ish of you, but it might get you invited to dinner parties with Anita Dunn, who is a fan of Mao.
Lastly, I’m assuming you were referring to Deborah Palfrey and if you have evidence that she was killed, I suggest you submit it to the authorities. And I can only assume you feel that Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons as well.

Jed -Do you THINK there are black helicopters over your home or do you actually see them?

You have quoted a series of scientists and crackpots in your various rants over time.

You claim every inventor who claims to have discovered some breakthrough process has been discredited by the government. You also rant about all government officials being crooks and self-dealers. So if these devices were so great and government officials so corrupt why haven’t they stolen any of Tesla’s miracle breakthroughs (or anyone else’s) and made billions on it?

What’s this about Lieberman’s wife being a lobbyist…albeit unregistered? Look at his list of contributors. He can’t afford to be for the public option.

Democrats in Connecticut voted to find a new candidate for Senator. Lieberman chose to abandon his party in order to keep his job. Democratic leadership had promised to support the primary winner. It was not the first time that he chose naked self-interest over the party that brought him to his political zenith. When he was tapped by Al Gore for the VP candidacy he chose to run concurrently for his senate seat. Rather than exude confidence about his running mate, Lieberman chose to hedge his bets, a choice not lost on fence sitters.

The sad thing for Connecticut, and maybe the nation, is that Lieberman may have cost us the presidential election that led to the Iraq/Afghanistan quagmires, may cost us quality healthcare reform legislation, and probably will cost us a majority in the senate in the next two senate election cycles.

Confused- I’ve often wondered as much myself, and, to my knowledge, Jed has never given a clarifying answer (though if you have Jed, by all means repost it)

Wouldnt a big, evil, singularly profit driven corporation want to exploit and mass produce said miracle devices, as opposed to burying them? If one b.uy’s the assumption that Tesla, Schauberger, et al, produced all these miracles, why hasnt one of those big evil businessmen made a smart business decision, stolen the idea, and profited from their hard work? Shouldnt we then be awash in miracle machines under familiar brand names like GE, Monsanto, and the like? If they’re only concerned with money, why bury such miracle machines…wouldnt the smart, money making idea (after all Jed, arent corporations only concerned about record profits?) be to use, copy, and mass produce them?

And the corollary to this line of questioning is, if all of these miracle cures/machines have been buried and covered up, how does Jed know about them? What info is he basing his clairevoyance on? If the information has long been lost, how does one know if its true? Inquiring minds want to know!

Oh, and by the way, I dont think the government needs any help from the right to destroy its credibility…it seems to be doing just fine on its own, what with waste, corruption, financial mismanagement, imperial ventures, and well, basically anything it touches/runs/comes into vague contact with. How does that scary phrase go, something like “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help…” Gimme a break!

Jed Clampett

I live by DFW, so I see helicopters fly by all the time in all colors, so what?

‘…a series of scientist and crackpots…’ who are you referring to as ‘crackpots’? you’re going to have to be a bit more specific.

‘You claim EVERY inventor who CLAIMS to…’ why does it not surprise me that you would exaggerate to attempt to discredit something you understand nothing about and have never had curiosity beyond what GOD gave a monkey to figure out.

‘…has been discredited by the government.’ Actually, you are misrepresenting again, but that is typical for those of your kind. It’s like when the church in Europe killed everyone who didn’t have the same distorted point of view as them. I guess that Reich Winger mentality works well for some.
‘…you also talk about ALL GOVERNMENT officials being crooks’ Apparently you don’t really deal in truth much. I’m rather specific in those I target. I can see how you would interpret it that way since you repeatedly try to paint all government as bad. Project much? Another Reich Winger trait, cognitive dissonance, they’ve been punked so much that they get Stockholm syndrome to boot.
If all politicians were totally corrupt, this country would be in as bad a shape as Mexico, but give it some time, were getting there thanks to stupid leadership and the influence of corporations in government leveraged to pillage the population’s wealth.

The guy who brought you AC power is not a ‘crackpot’ but Ollie North is, yet Ollie is more famous. No one really knows of Tesla’s achievements, they don’t teach intelligent things in school anymore, then again, you don’t really know what Ollie North did either. Perhaps you should try to find out about both rather than just give in to your mouth diarrhea.

Tesla was a genius and unfortunately very few know enough of him to be inspired by his work. He was relegated to obscurity. Perhaps the government of the time had something to do with it, but government is composed of the people and it’s leadership staffed by industry something that also happens today.
He wasn’t given to handing his knowledge on a silver platter to thieves, but to scientists willing to explore and let their curiosity take them to new places he left plenty of clues with which to repeat his achievements in his patents and speeches if willing to look. The sad fact is that very few are capable of being more curious than a Colorado monkey. I expected you might know more about him since he conducted so many experiments in Colorado Springs, but that requires intelligence and all you have is indignation.

For a more current example of how industry controls the government that is supposed to be ‘of the people and for the people’, see who is staffing the groups in charge of repairing the economy and bringing those who crashed it to justice. If you were more curious than a chimp… and perhaps a little more intelligent, you would realize they won’t fix anything, merely hide the truth. Once all of industry is shipped abroad and only weapons and drugs are the source of income, then wars and disease is what will be produced to keep those industries profitable. And if that doesn’t work out, imaginary stock holdings are used as trading mechanisms, as bullets to kill huge companies and the economy, just like was done in the 1920s. Guess what happened afterward.

People might not want to think a conspiracy was involved, or don’t want to believe how deep the conspiracy is, but I think the good folks at Frontline do a really good job of exposing conspiracies again and again. Too bad the justice department doesn’t have as good a team of investigators. Unfortunately, all the FBI is doing is luring retards in much the same way as the ‘enemies’ it says is trying to protect us from.
Perhaps we would be better protected if they investigated these rich fks that create poverty all over the world and make people so desperately destitute that they are willing to blow themselves up to kill an enemy invented by other wealthy fks.

Tim Dickinson, I would like to share with you my amazement at how relatively little time it took for a magazine that started out devoted to the counter culture to turn into a refuge for silly hacks like you who have nothing else to offer but a pathetic willingness to suck up to the DNC. Please explain how something like this happens; how does the soulful turn soulless?

Silly Democrats, spending over the limits on their credit cards, what’ll they do when the Chinese call them due?

Bama in ut:
Why not do like me and OPT OUT of the National Debt..

Actually, it’s the elites whose credit cards with the Chinese are overextended, we the peons will be the ones carrying a weapon trying to defend THEM and help them abscond as they have done with our value and our nation.

You must be so proud to be a Republican’t and not be part of that like the Americans.

Jed Clampett

As if to help support my view that corrupt leadership on any side of the aisle is harmful to the entire nation, reports are being circulated about a leaked memo indicating that congressmen of both political parties are being investigated for corruption and influence peddling involved in the appropriations for weapons systems.

The paper was accidentally exposed by a careless staffer, otherwise the American public would have never been made aware of it. It would have been lost in secrecy and collusion by both parties and Industry, backed up by a justice system that is supposed to protect the public but actually serves to protect criminality.

Corruption in leadership harms all Americans equally and gives the perpetrators and unfair advantage in a system that is meant to be free from priviledge(private advantage). Furthermore, it erodes faith and respect for government at all levels and makes the public disinterested in politics, the application of skills for the common good.

Involved in two wars as we are, the economy a shambles due to absurd legislation and corrupt political practices, the middle class joining the poor in droves and the rule of law becoming a slogan much like Charles Muntz’s “Adventure is out there”… shouldn’t these guys be tried for treason? Isn’t it a failure to uphold their oath, to protect the constitution and it’s premise of equality for all and protection of the workers from the elites? Isn’t it terrorism to rule by deceit and disinformation designed to scare the public into supporting one failed group of legislators or the other? Shouldn’t they be the one’s in Guantanamo being subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques designed to expose the extent of the collusion and corruption destroying our nation from within?

Regardless of what stripe of partisanship you think you belong to, you must realize that all people are corruptible and that the easily corrupted, those with little integrity, have no business running the people’s business or any other venture whose influence can affect large portions of the population.

Drain the swamp or we’ll all be eaten up by the crocodiles and piranhas.

Those idiots over there are willing to blow themselves up because they are kept uneducated and ignorant by fanatical imams and mullahs who brainwash them into believing that some bastardized take on Islam is what they should base their lives on. A suicide bomber is merely nothing more than a stupid young man (or woman), who is under-sexed and promised pu$$y in some bull$hit afterlife.

Jed Clmapett

Or perhaps he’s some poor, uneducated kid who is promised his parents will be taken care of if he straps on a bomb and kills a few people so the leadership can rule by terrorizing the general population.

It’s not as complicated as some idiots think it is. Religion has nothing to do with it. Ideology has nothing to do with it. Hatred and fanaticism have nothing to do with it.
It really is as simple as the man said. Poverty is your enemy! Poverty leads to necessity, to want for the basic needs of life. Want leads to desperation, desperation at seeing your child or parents struggle in squallor.
Desperation leads to criminality since it seems there is no law or justice to protect them from destitution.
Desperation can be exploited by deceivers and imbeciles who don’t even have the civility of proper language or understanding of the basic tenets of human decency, those who are comfortable in their wealth and confident in their own ‘intelligence’ without a grain of compassion or understanding for anything worthwhile except ‘entertainment’, those who are just as ignorant and backwards as those they deprecate without ever having even attempted to go beyond what has been fed to them and passes off as ‘knowledge’ and ‘truthiness’. They are as much a tool of oppression, problem is, they don’t even realize it or get paid for it, they do it out of stupidity.

These idiots over here are willing to sell themselves because they are kept uneducated and ignorant by fanatical politicians and broadcasters who brainwash them into believing that some bastardized take on economics is what they should base their lives on. A retarded poster is nothing more than a stupid young man(or woman), who is under-brained and promised pro$perity in some bull$hit democracy.

Soothsayer, I have no idea why I wrote 3 million jobs save. I ment 3,000 and was even thinking 3,000. Maybe it was because I was writing millions and billions so much in that post.

If I can’t tell the difference between 3,000 and 3 million for longer stretches of time, I could be a government accountant.

Maybe Obama would even quote me as a source, “Rolling Stones Magazine editorial claims that 3 million jobs were created or saved,” Obama.

Jed Clampett

But glieby, why would GE build a machine that is simple and efficient and cures almost any illness before the need for those huge and expensive MRI machines? Do you have any idea how much an MRI series costs? Do you know how much it costs without insurance? Man, what a racket. Same for an xray series. I had an abdominal series in Jan 08. They wanted $10k and gave the insurance company a sweet discount to $700, what a fkn racket.

Monsanto makes GMO seed products, so, what do they have to do with electronics? oh that’s right, you are merely pulling names out of your rectum.

That’s a funny line… ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help’, it was coined by Ronald Reagan, then he proceeded to scuttle the government and switch the tax base, ship industry abroad and destroy regulations. He fulfilled his ironic prophesy. Apparently, he had plenty of help from the elites, and the Iranians, and Adnand Kashoggi, and wall street. You must be so proud he helped destroy the only entity that is supposed to represent the people. I bet you think Nixon was something other than a crook and wanted to help the people of China when he normalized relations.

I don’t have to prove anything, it has been proven already, I’ve posted links to the proofs and some of the data I’ve found while investigating, but if a ‘free thinker’ is not intelligent enough to figure out how to follow the links posted on these pages by cutting and pasting and removing the white spaces, then he’s never going to find the evidence for himself. Fact is, he doesn’t want to find it anyway. Doesn’t want anyone else to find it either, it might interfere with his ‘dream’ of prosperity and reliance on corporations that want to ‘help’ him.

Tesla had patents for many of his most important inventions, but he started realizing that if you include too much info in your patent, others will copy it and produce your invention without giving you due royalties. Edison was a master at stealing patents.
Tesla gave much of his information on how to repeat what he did in lectures to scientists and students, those whose curiosity could be engaged beyond the time span it takes to sell a burger. His demonstrations of wireless power transmission and illumination were legendary. Some took his ideas and carried on his work in some fields, others tried without understanding the concepts behind them and failed, so they did what YOU DO with everything you can’t be bothered to try and understand, they denigrated and disparaged them as frauds, even though they themselves had seen them work.

The patent office must see an invention doing what is claimed in the application before it awards a patent. Tesla’s patents are varied and numerous, but I doubt that you would understand any of them unless someone explained them to you. Try the turbine, I doubt your would understand it’s simplicity, or the wireless transmitter, too complicated for you I’m sure, though it is truly artful in it’s simplicity.

Shauberger was given patents in Germany for many of his ideas, beginning with his design for log flues, he was told by ‘experts’ there was no way they would work. Reading his books I’m amazed at the depth and scope of his knowledge. I’ve even posted links to his books on Amazon, but if you don’t buy them, read them and try to understand, you definitely won’t. Like one of my friends, they get scared by the math they see and can’t get past it, despite the fact that most of it is merely at the beginning as mathematical proof of the theories. But your miniature intellect won’t even comprehend the basic concepts he explored, so why even try.

Lakhovsky’s book is only $16, a bargain given the information within. His experiments are backed up by photographs of before and after results. People with horrendously disfiguring carcinomas they’ve had to live with for a decade or more are CURED. Radiation burns are healed, a goiter the size of melons on a woman is made to disappear. Now, do you think Pfizer wants you to know that instead of taking their pills for a few decades till you die as ‘treatment’ for your illness? Would they want you to know that it could be gone in a few weeks with the intelligent application of electricity? You might IMAGINE they want to help people, but the reality is all they want is to help themselves to your money, and if that requires keeping you ill while pumping you full of meds, so be it. Just look how much they are spending to try to avoid even a little competition.

Just imagine, the only need for doctors would be to set bones, sew up open wounds and provide care for the elderly. It would save us trillions and make them about as useful as an AC technician. No more McMansions or Mercedes because they allowed a fungal infection to turn into a cancer. No more ignoring parasites until chronic diseases destroy their patients lives and fills their coffers.
Americans don’t become doctors to cure people, they become doctors to get rich.

When you read about Royal Rife and make the correlation of his discoveries with the theories of Tesla and Lakhovsky, you realize he was advancing in the process laid out by his predecessors. I’ve pointed to some books about him as well, but there’s no way you’ll bother spending a book, Reich Wigers can’t be bothered with ‘book lernin’. If it isn’t spoon fed, predigested, and regurgitated into your brain like a buzzard, there’s no way you’ll ever accept it. And even if it is pumped into you that way, you probably will throw it up when you realize how badly we have been ripped off.
But even then you won’t ask the most important question, WHY?

Greed doesn’t even begin to explain it. But there’s absolutely no way you’ll believe it until its way too late and a visitor is knocking on your door, asking you to get out, your home is being taken from you.

Jed- That was a time consuming post. Now will you please answer my original question?

Nothing in there validates you claim of Tesla curing cancer and most medical aliments but was prevent from implementing them or how medicine hasn’t changed in 100 years. How does government export all jobs except war or how governments and big business keep sea-change discoveries (i.e. the high mileage car device in the 70’s) off the market? Your in favor of all nations peacefully living together but not world trade? Or should American be producing $2 an hour jobs or should the American public have to pay $25 for a tee-shirt that China make can for $1?

Merk, want to bet, if Jed does answer, the response will include someone in the GOP being represented in a unflattering way and the words and “reich and “evil”?

STOP THE TREASON OF GLOBILIZATION!

Illegal immigrants, low-wage workers on student visas, corporate offshoring, etc…

THE COMPANIES THAT DO THIS ARE TRAITORS. THE CONGRESSMEN THAT ENABLE THEM ARE THE SAME. TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK.

DESTROY THOSE ECONOMISTS THAT PREACH GLOBALIZATION.

They are math nerds with no personal stake in the outcome. They are far worse than any terrorist. I would take a thousand pedophiles over one CEO of Goldman Sachs any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Jed– Well shut my simple-minded mouth, you get a might nasty when asked a simple question…I really dont know how I’m able to post, what with my miniature intellect and lack of book lernin. Whoops, gotta go, my redneck meal of cornpone and sow belly is a fixin to be ready…

C’mon Jed, if there was any money in most of Tesla, Schauberger, et al’s inventions, all of the big corporations would be currently profiting from it. Why would GE sit on a miracle, potentially billion to trillion dollar enterprise, espescially if it would give them a leg up on their competition? If those inventions are as good as you say they are, wouldnt the incentive to use them, and greedily reap the rewards, be an incentive to replace the current system? If Pfizer would make more money ripping of Schauberger than by manufacturing pills, dont you think they’d be doing it? Who in their right mind thinks denying their business billions/trillions in profits is a sound business policy? I’m not sure you’re all to clear on how business and the economy works…you might want to put yourself in that immature little “miniature” intellect category, friendo.

You relentlessly character big business as these large, evil, Machiavellian, profit-at-any-cost entities. If profit is supposedly their bottom line, why would they then act in a contrary nature simply to silence the competition? Edison didnt silence his competition, he stole and profitted from their hard work, same with Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller and on down the line…so, again I’ll ask, if profit is the only motive, why are these big businesses involved in a supposed cabal against their self interest? Logic, or at least greed, would dictate that you would steal and profit from others hard work in order to maximize your profits…so why arent companies doing this right now?

If Chine can make a shirt for a $1, then we can make it for 50c, with better quality and better wages. Perhaps you don’t understand very well how economics of scale works, but I assure you the money they save by shipping the manufacturing to China is not translated into savings, it’s turned into profit. But I can see how you would prefer to believe the PR men that are making billions off of your ignorance.

In the Middle of Somewhere, so I assume you are equating Capitalism with fanatical Islam and suicide bombing. And in that comparison you are comparing what people who work in the business world do with what suicide bombers do. You comparison is as foolhardy and bloated with hyperbole as those that compare Obama to Hitler.
I don’t understand how you can equate the education provided in our universities and colleges with the fanatical indoctrination that occurs in the madrassas over there. Our institutions allow one to be educated in numerous disciplines and learn about numerous religions as opposed to being forced to memorize Islamice texts and nothing else. How can you justify such a comparison?
I am sure that you are basing your view on the hundreds of suicide bombers we have running around our country today in business suits blowing themselves up and anyone around them. Feel free to insult my intelligence if that makes you feel better about your weak argument or comparisons.
But keep in mind, no one is promised prosperity in this country (which is a republic and not a democracy). But we do have the right to pursue our happiness, work hard and make a life for ourselves. But maybe you have a problem with that, too.

It’s funny to read these posts by radical fringe dwellers like the one calling itself Jed Clampett. These people are obviously non-producers, yet they have elaborate schemes about how things should get done. Not to mention they have theories on why their ideas are not being put to use. Tidy, convenient and pathological.

For those who read Jed’s comments about Reagan giving everything to the rich….

Jed Clampett

..Before Regan, the very wealthy paid up to 70# in taxes. Republicans switched the tax burden from the elites and corporate pirates to the middle class and poor….

There you go again Jed, using Liberal myths. From the CBO office.

Tax rates 1979
Top 1% paid 37% of income in Federal income taxes.
Poorest Quintile paid 8%

Tax Rate 2005
Top 1% paid 31% of income in Federal income taxes.
Poorest Quintile paid 4%

Now where Jed’s myths are completely debunked;

1979 Top 1% paid 15% of total federal tax liabilities
Poorest Quintile paid 2%

2005 Top 1% paid 28% of total federal tax liabilities
Poorest Quintile paid 0.8%

In math Jed can understand. Top 1% of this country are paying almost TWICE as much of the total federal tax bill they did in 1979 and the poorest are paying less than half what they did in 1979!

Jed, Where are you? No diatribes? Still waiting for an answer.

Jed Clampett

It never ceases to amaze me, you can write a book on the stuff, but these guys won’t understand a bit of it because they don’t have reading comprehension to begin with. Typically, they only understand what is presented to them in the idiot box.

Let’s try this…
This is Tesla’s description of his device, please tell me what parts of it you don’t understand, perhaps we can talk rationally about it…
tfcbooks.com/tesla/1898- 11-17.htm

This is a little something on you tube about royal Rife
watch?v=AysfKyl8O9k

Since you are so smart, figure out how to watch it, let me know if your mental capacity doesn’t go that far.

You ask why would they keep it from us, what I told you doesn’t seem to connect, let your idol Glenn Beck explain it to you…

watch?v=dR38y2I5g5E

A s I was telling you before, fungus is a killer, but the modern doctors seem to ignore it until it becomes something more expensive to treat…
part 1
watch?v=HQuODiMlUsc

part 2
watch?v=ri-C8VvF3Rs

I believe the machines work on resonance principles to overload the organisms and destroy them without harming the cells, so did their creators…

watch?v=eKAEPkwq2 hU

Fungus destroys tissue when not treated right, and even then, modern science doesn’t know a thing about how to treat them or even how to recognize them until it’s too late… or they prefer to make more money off of it…

watch?v=ZmHkC2JM53c

bu t fungi are the main way nature uses to get rid of overpopulation, and when you destroy the forests and they don’t have the appropriate organisms to survive on, they will readily take a human host…

watch?v=CCOQ0VU24xw

What am I saying… of course you won’t bother watching or trying to make the links work, you only do this for ‘fun’ and ‘entertainment’.

for those of you who want to see, put the triple w dot you tube dot com and a forward slash before the watch id numbers… cut and paste always saves time.

Jed– Interesting links, but several things I’d like to add as a disclaimer.

The fungus posts, while interesting, appear to be anomalies and not the norm. What happened to that man was horrible, but incredibly rare (hence, doctors were confused when they saw it).

And while I certainly wouldnt stand by Beck for accurate reporting, the only thing that your videos prove is that there isnt any money in any of these inventions, at the present time. DCA, while novel, has only had success in rats. If I had a nickel for every “miracle” drug that worked well in rats but bombed in humans, needless to say, I’d be living quite comfortably. Which leads to Tesla and Rife, though brilliant and gifted inventors, it is not too farfetched to believe that not all of their ideas were feasible or tenable, due to technological limitations or whathaveyou. The same can be said of Newton, Da Vinci, on back to Archimedes and his “alchemy.”

Again, these megacorps, with their armies of researchers and scientists, and billion dollar R&D divisions, and near unlimited capital, the idea that they would sit on an idea for no good reason is ridiculous. Dollars to donuts, one of those big evil companies is sitting on the DCA patent as we speak, not because of some nefarious agenda, but simply because they havent found a good way to make money off of it, because either it isnt the miracle that was promised, or every big business suddenly has developed an interest in not making money…which sounds more plausible?

I love the irony of you trying to use you poster boy for slime Beck in your “proof”. The links prove nothing about Tesla and his machine curing cancer nor about your point saying “cancer treatment hasn’t advanced in 100 yrs”. You also further obfuscate the issues by adding in the “cancer is a fungus becuase tumors are always white” babble.

I’ll call your Rife and Tesla, (BTW the book link is a bust tried it a few times it never worked)and raise you with Laetrile. It was the cancer cure all that would wipe all oncology drugs off the market in the late 60’s and 70’s. My father had a friend who after going through all of the oncology drugs in the US was convinced by some huckster to go to Tijuana and spend the rest of his life savings on Laetrile, as it was kept off the market in the US by the conspiring drugs firm so they could sell their “fake cures”. He handed over the money went through a few treatments in Mexico and then died a few months later, the “drug” had no effect and over the years the Laetrile con has faded as the public learned about the lack of success.

I find it very disingenuous of you who is always talking about the little guy being conned and ripped off by evil profit seeking corporation, would back these fly by night cures that has specious claims of success at best.

Desperate people will grasp at desperate “cures” when they are facing death and cancer currently is holy grail for con men selling “miracle cures”.

So when Pfizer sells you a anti-hypertension drug it is a fraud and the corporation should be put out of business, but a treatment in the Tesla cancer machine which has no proof of anything should be encouraged and promoted?

Jed Clampett

Poopshooter…

you are looking at the effective tax rate you dolt. That’s what the CBO wants you to look at. It actually shows how skewed with respect to the amount of money they pull in compared to what they pay. Remember Leona Helmsley saying only the little people pay taxes? She was right.

here are the actual tax rates…

http://www.taxpolicycenter. org/taxfacts/Content/PDF/oecd_ historical_toprate.pdf

look at the changes during the Reagan years.

Jed Clampett

If a machine as simple and cheap to build could have healed the guy in Cleveland that had all those bodies in his house and prevented all those murders, shouldn’t it be implemented? Shouldn’t the work of Royal Rife be given back to the people as it was intended?
Instead of Arlen Specter using it every time Mother Nature tries to kill him just to remain in power and steal from the public purse, he should make it available to engineers to copy and the public to use.

“the idea that they would sit on an idea for no good reason is ridiculous. Dollars to donuts, one of those big evil companies is sitting on the DCA patent as we speak, not because of some nefarious agenda, but simply because they havent found a good way to make money off of it”

Those comments are wrong on so many levels that its not even funny.

First, it seems you give yourself the answer to why they ’sit on it’. They can’t make a profit on it, not nearly as big a profit as from the other machinery; what Beck was saying is that the reason is they can’t make money off of it because there is no patent on it. To some of us, that IS THE DEFINITION OF EVIL. Denying the public a cure for many cancers because it isn’t profitable is exactly the reason, that doesn’t seem just a little wrong to you?
Yes, it is nefarious to sit on an invention merely to protect the ‘bottom line’, and the fact that you are incapable of recognizing this is an indication that you’ve been corrupted to the core.

You know, the worst kind of evil is the kind that is incapable of recognizing itself as such. The ability to grow spiritually requires that you are able to recognize your shortcomings and correct them.

This is great. Less than a year ago, people were being chastised for comparing Bush to Hitler and other dictators. (The comparison rings true only in the sense that Bush invaded a harmless country for its resources, as Hitler was doing at the time).

Now, those same people are comparing Obama and his ‘minions’ to Mao, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, commies, pinkos, fascists, and any other ‘name’ you can label this president with. And he’s been in office for ten months?????? AND, he hasn’t led an invasion into a sovereign nation yet!

It gets darkest right before the dawn. This triviality-fueled tantrum from Obama-haters, er, opposition, is only going to get worse.

Here’s another one for you: The liberals were behind Bush until he invaded Iraq. We were just against his so-called ‘victory’ and his tax cuts. But, until he followed through with PNAC’s plan to invade Iraq, we (the opposition) were, generally, behind him.

You think maybe, just maybe, the fact that Bush gave huge tax cuts to the top 3% without following pay as you go rules had something to do with the economy being a shambles today?

What about waging an unnecessary war without sources, appropriate equipment or a reputable partner?

What about giving the health care industry a reach around via the senior medicine plan without following the pay as you go rules?

fiscally responsible!! yea, right.

Incredibly Inept– I never said it wasnt evil or unscrupulous, I merely doubt that there is this big evil cabal, with corporate fatcats meeting in smoke filled back rooms thinking up how they can smear the names of Tesla and Rife…if anything, its an unintended consequence of money making. You call it evil, others call it an unecessary risk to investment capital…who is right? Who knows?

But remember, DCA “COULD” be a cure. Like I said, if I had a dollar for every time a drug “could” be a cure, only to rurn up bust, I’d be a rich man.

Coach– I agree with your premise, but I think the only real disagreement anyone ever had to criticising Bush was comparing him to Hitler, which I and many others found outlandish and a bit ridiculous. That said, I wouldnt call that dangerous speech, nor have I, or will I, try and stop someone from saying it; as they have every right to do so.

Being fairly liberal in that regard, I was fine with the name calling under Bush, just as I’m fine with the name calling now, as its all protected speech that I have to live with in a free and open society. The only ones with a problem are the Libs, who seem to be unwilling to take it as good as they gave…Its hard to take any of this new concern as anything but phony and forced considering actions of the last half decade to the contrary. Besides, its kind of hard not to label some of his Czars as C.ommies when several of them are out and out about it. Their own statements and beliefs are well known and documented, so either Obama goes along with it, or whomever is running his screening/vetting process needs to be fired…

Let people say what they want, I give the public more credit in being able to discern the truth from character attacks…

So the CBO is making up number and this site, which BTW doesn’t work, is the real tax rates.

The this is “fake” why?

1979 Top 1% paid 15% of total federal tax liabilities
Poorest Quintile paid 2%

2005 Top 1% paid 28% of total federal tax liabilities
Poorest Quintile paid 0.8%

Jed Clampett

OH, too bad you don’t have enough intelligence to figure out why the link didn’t work for you. Typical of a conservative though, they are usually too dumb to figure out even the simplest things. (quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand… or figure out on their own) I’ll leave you and your genius to figure out how to make it work, let’s see how smart the monkey is.

It’s evident your don’t understand the difference between ‘effective tax rate’ and the ‘top marginal tax rate’, or you don’t want to understand…
willfully ignorant=stupid

Interesting, when it’s convenient for you, government isn’t capable of doing anything right, and when it’s convenient for you, the government’s numbers are sacrosanct… no wonder you are so easy to manipulate and deceive. I bet you can’t remember what you had for lunch last Sunday.

btw, the CBOs numbers are known for supporting what the lawmakers want you to believe… that they are doing a good job despite their corruptibility. It’s sort of like believing what comes out of the ethics panels. If they were really about ethics, they would not be secretive, would they?
We should get rid of anyone who has been there for more than two terms in the senate and 4 in the house, otherwise, it is like asking for trouble. Also, elected politicians work for the people, not their parties, for them to be fundraising for the party is patently illegal in that they have an alliegance higher than the people’s business. We need real political reform, not the doublespeak we’ve been subjected to for so long.

“You call it evil, others call it an unecessary risk to investment capital…who is right? Who knows?”

You mean risky like taking people’s mortgages, mixing it with others, selling the box to several different investors as AAA rated securities, and then taking the money out in profit before crashing the economy but still loosing billions for your company and making the government cover your gambling losses? Or risk as in insuring those investments without enough backing capital even though it’s well known the investments were worthless because they themselves invented them?
The point is, those guys live on risk, but they are masters at passing off the risk to the public while slithering off with the profits.
If you don’t think there was a “big evil cabal, with corporate fatcats meeting in smoke filled back rooms thinking up how they can” screw the public out of their money behind that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

“thinking up how they can smear the names of Tesla and Rife”. My, you sure are thick as a brick. Well, I guess you are right in one respect, they aren’t doing it now, the deed was done long ago, you don’t hear much about Tesla even though he gave us something as ubiquitous as the AC power distribution system… I wonder why that is? Likewise, the power of the AMA was used to discredit Rife and condemn his hard work and diligence to obscurity, to be ridiculed and denigrated by the ignorant who consume filth and regurgitate is as knowledge.

Bottom line… “there is this big evil cabal, with corporate fatcats meeting in smoke filled back rooms thinking up how they can” make loads more money at the expense of the public, and they don’t care if it’s illegal, immoral or just plain stupid and dangerous. To most sane people that IS evil and unscrupulous, and that kind of behavior should be punished as severely as it’s effects on society are.
There has to be consequences to behavior that is filled with unnecessary ‘unintended’ consequences of money making, because when they command that much wealth and affect so many lives with their decisions, there are no ‘unintended’ consequences.
It is very obvious the consequences were very much intended as a way to eliminate the competition and therefore conspiratorial. In case you haven’t noticed, conspiracy is a crime, given the number of people affected by such crimes and your feigned intolerance for criminality when it comes to migrants I would think that you would be so perturbed by such crimes as to take up arms against those who would destroy their communities, their economy, their nation and the only planet capable of sustaining our way of life.
Oh wait, I forgot, people like you are also cowards…

Incredibly Inept– You seem to be the one who comically doesnt understand the difference between necessary and unecessary risk. Risk, in some form or another, is a key component of the modern economy, the problem is, we’ve removed the fear of it. Had the rules governign risk been followed, we wouldnt be in the situation we’re in today…there was no fear of failure, because no matter what happens, the government will cover you anyway, giving creedence to increasingly risky schemes. Risk in and of itself isnt a bad thing, so long as it comes with the caveat of for every time you win big, you also have a chance of going bust…were we to actually live by these rules, no one would have participated in the current economic problems, which were caused and exacerbated by government policies.

The myth of the big evil cabal is just that, a myth, a bogey man scared up by the left time and time again to justify whatever statist aims you wish to advance. Its the same over and over again; every hero of the left is always felled by some big cartoonish parody of the establishment, when the reality is much, much more complex. Rife and Tesla are not as well known for a variety of reasons, not just because of big evil business. And to paint them as demigods who were the solution to every problem of mankind, no matter how outlandish or minute, is as ridiculous as those who think Nostradamus really predicted the future.

The evil here was not some big corporate fat cat, but the policies that allowed speculators, en masse, to simply drive prices up beyond feasible, sustainable levels. Your real bogey man is the nameless speculator on the trading floor who realized he could sell his shares for more than they were worth…and given the policy, can you blame that everyone followed? In the modern era, evil doesnt have a singular face…you want the cause, look at congress, the bureacracy, and any random trader/speculator in the pit at the stock exchange. Mismanagement of the system, not just corporate fat cats (which corporate fat cats, all of them? Or just the ones you disagree with?) is what is at fault, and everyone shares blame.

I’m all for punishing crimes and illegalities, however, unlike you I dont believe that bringing all economic activity under the yoke of the state is a good idea…if memory serves, its been tried before and didnt work so well. So keep on being nasty, and throwing out the leftist cliches…because in the end, we’re not going to see eye to eye completely.

Isn’t it Pelosi?

Joe is the new Benidict Arnold- a turncoat against “we the people.” The middle class owes nothing to him and his peers!

It will be a great day when he lays down never to return!

Um, TPMDC says it screwed up, Lieberman never supported the public option. RS, are you paying attention?

politicians like joe leiberman have been the main source of this countries problems for many decades, bought and sold to the highest bidder, corporate interest allways comes before the needs of the citezens, traitor is to kind of a word

Didn’t remove the fear of it, the cabal, the colluders with Harvard and Yale economics degrees that control powerful corporations with enough cash to buy legislators and influence, decided it would be profitable for them to allow short selling, obscure trading and highly leveraged speculation, ensuring they could destroy any company by gathering large blocks of stock and then betting against it, then selling off what they made. Lehman’s leadership made a fortune off of it. They wanted the extra risk for others while reducing it for themselves, and when it all crashed, like anyone with a basic economics education could have foreseen, they made the people pay for it. Sure, some of the companies tanked along with the economy, but so what, they made personal fortunes worth hundreds of millions and that’s all that matters, right?
Who cares that so many people lost their jobs or that we were engaged in two wars at the time, or that it is patently treason to do what they did in the first place, against the constitution and therefore not worthy of any protection under any ill conceived law that works against the protections afforded in that contract with the population. The constitution supersedes anything, regardless of how some puppets interpret it and then force their subjects to accept.

It’s too bad the constitutional scholar has decided to allow the crooks surrounding him to provide bad advice. The ‘expert advice’ of crooked men who created the catastrofluck should be ignored and they rotting in prison, not in the highest halls of power or even under house arrest or club fed. Put them at Rickers Island like they do poor people who are victims of their greed. All they can do is make the situation worse for us and ensure they can survive anything with their ama.ssed wealth.

it never ceases to amaze me that so many of these rich politicians and ceo’s just never will have enough money or power, and for them to hold up any real progress that the people of this country so desperately need, why does it scare them so much for americans to have access to affordable health care? they are anti american and the root of all evil around the globe, then they hide behind the bible with fake words of peace and love, muslim terrorists are nothing compared to an united states politician, dem. or repub. they are the true criminals and they continue to get away with it

Incredibly Inept– No, the fear of risk was absolutely removed. The impetus not to do something was taken away because the government would cover any losses. The free market was prevented from working, its natural machinations prevented from flowing smoothly…in short, no matter what happened, there was no risk of failure.

And its no surprise that the “Constitutional Scholar” is going along with it…he came up through the same party machine and apparatus that helped produce the crisis. The dems are just as intertwined with big business as the repubs ever were (i.e., Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Geitner, etc)…its time to clean the whole house, not just one wing.

As for the Constitution; absolutely, its a sacred document, and perhaps the best guarantee of liberty and freedom from government tyranny on the planet…

Jon Stewart is absolutely right, Joe Lieberman really is Droopy Dog.
What a disgusting characterture of a human being.

and idiots vote for back stabbers like him

Effective rate you ask Jed?

1979 EFFECTIVE Tax rate
Lowest Quintile – 8.0%
2005 EFFECTIVE Tax rate
Lowest Quintile – 4.3%

Or did the CBO make them up too?

Sooth: Here’s some ‘numbers’ for you:

10.2% jobless rate, 2009.

Worst since 1983. So, this begs the question. Would you, Sooth, blame the jobless rate in 1983 on Reagan, like you’re doing with Obama in 2009?

One more thing about tax rates: Check the tax rates on the rich during the industrial revolution, you know, when the government created jobs……and that era happens to be our best as a nation……

“the fear of risk was absolutely removed. ”

NO, you are absolutely wrong!!

It wasn’t removed, it was ignored. They had the fear and knew what they had done but were and are still confident in their criminal network, this is conspiracy, a conspiracy that reaches into the deepest levels of government, the treasury department and the fed.

The risk and the negative effects were transferred to the public, the unwitting investors that believed the AAA ratings of the cabal of criminals that destroyed the economy and then used their inside men in government, Paulson, Bernake and others, to rape the American public, the small businessman and everyone else making less than a small lottery pay off every year.
Colluding in this cabal are ratings companies, investment bankers, stock traders, lobbyists and unfortunately, legislators. Justice department officials also collude indirectly by turning a blind eye. And when the whole facade came tumbling down because of all the unnecessary and illogical risk, the cabal put the cost on the population and even covered all their bad bets and the bets of their conspirators around the world.

Wow, back to the same old tricks, being uncovered, they paint everyone with their own colors… hey ‘everybody does it, so it’s OK for me to do it to, right?’.
No one is arguing that politicians don’t have to go through the same inculcation process to get to position of influence, however, it is rather disconcerting if not infuriating to see so many like yourself protecting the current system, excusing it’s criminality, hiding behind the constant pursuit of profit and flawed measurements of ‘national prosperity’ and even countering the progressive and reformative legislation that would change the status quo.

It seems patently counter intuitive and incongruous with your stated and vehemently feigned disgust. It is typically directed to a single chosen enemy and refuses to recognize the failure of the system as a whole and your own ‘heroes’ role although the evidence is put forth again and again and impossible to ignore. it’s either dishonest or illusory distortion of reality and evinces a dangerous attitude to society as a whole. It implies that the well being of a few individuals more powerful than government, the people, is much more important than the well being and the pursuit of happiness of the entire nation. In other words, a treason, as it is behavior contrary to the constitution that is supposed to govern this country and the behavior of it’s citizens.

I am waiting too Jed.
Thank for the data Sooth, good job!

Jed Clampett

http://www.taxpolicycenter. org/taxfacts/Content/PDF/oecd_ historical_toprate.pdf

To make it work, you cut and paste it into a text editor and remove the blank spaces.

You will see that the top tax rate, not the effective rate which actually shows how the wealthy are avoiding taxation and stealing from everyone, is about 70% until Reagan takes office. At that point, it drops to 50%. Reagan then removed regulation opening the markets to fraud and the bubble makers. Sure, on paper and the way they were measuring, the economy looked great… for those at the top. But it was merely a way to reel in the suckers. Then they moved everyone’s retirement savings to 401Ks, reduced the upper tax bracket and opened up loopholes to help the upper brackets avoid taxation even more. As a kicker they reduced the taxes paid by fund managers to less than the poor. At the end of Clinton’s term, legislation was pushed through to further reduce regulation and to allow the investment banks to act like lenders without any of the safety nets involved in bank lending, effectively setting up the conditions that existed before the great depression. Then lil’Bush further hogtied government and gave away the bulk of the savings achieved with pay as you go to the top 3%, as if they needed it. Then they allowed people’s property to be treated like rice or hog bellies or any other commodity setting up the inevitable crash. On top of that, they did away with pay as you go and started enacting programs that were unfunded, just like the wars they chose to start. A well crafted plan carried out with help of those entrenched in legislature and whose loyalties were bought off cheap. The end result, the further enslavement of the American people through destitution and reduction of wages through desperation. And if people ever wake from their doldrums and take the violent path, the destruction of the American empire from within. All it’s nuclear weapons in the hands of radicals and tyrants who are just itching to use them.

Incredibly Inept– Removed, ignored, the net effect was still the same…the fear of risk was not present to deter unnecessarily risky behavior.

And there is no “cabal,” merely a whole disfunctional system finally grinding to a halt after years of bad monetary policy, bad lending policies, and a refusal by government to keep from meddling with the free market. Deregulation became no regulation, as while the getting was good no one gave a damn.

However, for you to play the partisan game of, “Oh, only the Republicans are fault,” or “Only the Rich are at fault,” turns a complex situation into a cartoonish parody of what the actual problem is. YOU are the one only singling out a chosen enemy in your class warfare cliche against the imaginary rich…YOU are the one absolving others from blame within the system, ignoring evidence over and over again in the propagation of they myth of some cabal, when there is no one trigger, rather a succession of triggers built up over time.

And I’m protecting the current system? By calling for massive reform? By saying our current system is fiscally unsustainable, that our leaders are not, and have not, been serving our interests for a long time? That both wings of the same corporate party need to be voted out? That we ought to foster a system of maximum personal liberty and limited constitutional government? If thats supporting the current system, what the hell does one have to do to protest it?

You also have not offered any solutions…do you have any? You ought to start changing your moniker to incredulous at your own ineptitude…

Since you haven’t answered my question in 4 days I will take that you were wrong and finally give in.

Jed Clampett

or that I’m not actually involved in arguing with a spoiled child that isn’t even capable of figuring out a link

I have been than fair Jed, I looked at you links, as far flung as they may be and instead of answering the questions you go off an a tangent yet again.

I notice when the facts start going against you, the anger starts coming though. Having control issues? Can’t deal with the concept of being wrong and the anger begins to come to the forefront bringing back memories?

Steve,

Your comment(s) have a number of poor/incorrect premises. First the comment about the industry revolution when “government was creating jobs” The private industry create thousands of jobs, hence the industrial revolution, huge expansion of business and private sector employment.

Taxes in the I.R? well since the US didn’t institute an income tax until the early 20th century, our incomes taxes were about ZERO during the industrial revolution so it worked pretty well I would say.

Steve,

Your comment(s) have a number of poor/incorrect premises. First the comment about the industry revolution when “government was creating jobs” The private industry create thousands of jobs, hence the industrial revolution, huge expansion of business and private sector employment.

Taxes in the I.R? well since the US didn’t institute an income tax until the early 20th century, our incomes taxes were about ZERO during the industrial revolution so it worked pretty well I would say.

Another error is show me where I have “blamed” Obama for the recession? Show that proof and I will give the discord on recessions and presidents.

Jed your argument was that the tax burden had switched from the “rich” to the “poor”

10/30/2009, 10:50 am EST
Jed Clampett
…Before Regan, the very wealthy paid up to 70# in taxes. Republicans switched the tax
burden from the elites and corporate pirates to the middle class and poor.

So based upon that premise how do this data not refute that COMPLETELY?
1979 Top 1% paid 15% of total federal tax liabilities
Poorest Quintile paid 2%

2005 Top 1% paid 28% of total federal tax liabilities
Poorest Quintile paid 0.8%

Curious in Colorado | 11/8/2009, 7:27 pm EST

I have been than fair Jed, I looked at you links……

HUH?????

Do you think the mega corporations like GE, Verizon, WalMart, GM, Goldman Sacks and others are rich or poor? They pay taxes like poor people, but they are not.

Sooth,

Looks like the rich are paying a LOT MORE taxes and poor less, which to any rational person means the tax burden has not been switched unless Jed’s contention.

Coach,
“I have been MORE than fair Jed, I looked at you links……”
Left a word out my mistake.

Notice Jed has been quiet here. I wonder why?

Jed Clampett

Because, trying to convince a retard whose only intent is to refute others is useless.

Those who attempt to convince a stone to turn into a tree have a long time of empty words ahead.

The people who wanted to follow the links and try to understand, did; those who prefer to be mislead and convince others as well will continue to refute with empty words and acrimony regardless of how much evidence they are given. It’s impossible to fix a blind man’s eyes when he has no faith that they can be fixed or a desire to see the truth.

We’ve already seen how little faith or integrity or even intelligence these beings have. Much like their leadership in congress, whether they label themselves left or right wing, they will ignore all evidence of truth until it’s too late, then they will change their position and act like they were of that opinion all along. It’s called lack of integrity, corrupt to the core, they’ve given themselves away and will sell everyone else out as well.

Lieberman: The Senator for the Great State of Israel.