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The Beck Doctrine

9/24/09, 3:55 am EST

Just so we’re clear about the caliber of thinking Glenn Beck brings to the table, here’s a choice passage from the book Common Sense, you know, the one Chuck Grassley was passing around to the town brawlers:

I have claimed, at various times, that socialism and fascism have been on the rise for two administrations now. Call it whatever you want, but common sense will not allow you to claim that it has resemblance to the system our Founders put together. —pg. 22

And another:

Our collective experience since the Founding has taught us that all governments of every stripe are fascist in nature. They will gobble up as much money, resources, and people as possible unless adequately checked. Governments are never static; they always grow. Communism, fascism, socialism, imperialism, and statism are all different ends accomplished through the same means: totalitarian, absolute government control over the individual. All of these ‘isms’ simply reflect the mistaken belief that progressively larger governments are need to address our problems. —pg. 58

Now you know where the Obama-Is-a-Socialist-Nazi cohort are getting their talking points.

As David Frum told me of Beck recently:

Glenn Beck offers pure alienation. Limbaugh denounces Democrats. Beck denounces politicians. Limbaugh is at least a little bit in the solutions business. That is to say, Limbaugh thinks if taxes were lower and the economy were more deregulated, things would be better. That’s not the point of Glenn Beck. He’s advocating a completely different approach: That there’s a dominant outside world that is hostile and alien and threatening.

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Exposure is disinfectant | 9/24/2009, 7:53 am EST

Problem is that the people who were likely exploited in these town hall meetings only watch FOX, so they never get a chance to evaluate their own behavior

Tired of All The Crap | 9/24/2009, 12:03 pm EST

I’m sick of all the bs from washington, the media all of it. I’m a middle class who is self-employed and i bust my butt off to make a living. I don’t want the government (either party) in my business and the majority in both parties are corrupt! I’m not a racist nut case, i just want to be left alone and not taxed to death!

Pablo | 9/24/2009, 12:06 pm EST

Huh. So Frum doesn’t watch, read or listen to Beck either. Saves the trouble of rebutting him. Good stuff. I’m seeing a Pulitzer here.

Illz | 9/24/2009, 12:43 pm EST

Another example of misleading information. This from the the same publication that said of Keith Olbermann, “Sometimes we think it’s going to end badly for the madly brilliant Keith — him running down Sixth Avenue stripping off his suit, pulling his hair and screaming the names of News Corp. execs and great Yankee third basemen. But until then, TV doesn’t have a smarter, funnier voice.”

Try being honest and less partisan and you might actually get more readers.

Try Again | 9/24/2009, 12:45 pm EST

I don’t watch TV, nor do I listen to talk radio. However, you need to study your history. Study American history in particular and then read the Constitution. See if you can figure out how we lose our freedoms when government grows and it is doing so unconstitutionally. Thinking people want the country restored and the government represented by We The People. Beck points out corrupt government and politicians from both parties and asks people to question for themselves. Eeee gads, people thinking for themselves and trying to have a voice against what they see happening. What’s the world coming to?

Coach | 9/24/2009, 1:20 pm EST

Am I reading posts from people who are actually supporting Glenn Beck?

Glenn Beck needs to take a piss test…..

First of all, OFCOURSE government grows. So does population. And, as soon as we pass Europe in the ’socialization’ arena, maybe it’s time to put the megaphone away and realize how good we have it here, government-wise.

Government only interferes with their idiotic rhetoric, unless, ofcourse, you think integration intrudes on your life………

Here’s a new thread:
Give actually accounts of government intrusion in YOUR life.

I can’t think of any, except for the spying they do on us…..thanks Bush

ral | 9/24/2009, 1:24 pm EST

Dear Tiredofallthecrap,

Know what I’m tired of? Whiners.

“OOOO, I work so hard, I don’t want to be bothered being an educated involved citizen. So I’m going to blame all politicians equally without bothering to get to the bottom of the issues that affect me. Then when I get taxed unfairly, or regulated stupidly by a corrupt politician, I’m going to bitch about the system. Just don’t ask me to be genuinely informed or involved. Just because the Founders gave up everything so I could be self-determining doesn’t mean I should actually work at participating in government by the people, for the people. Not me, I already work my butt off.”

James Street | 9/24/2009, 1:27 pm EST

Glenn Beck is an example of the principle “the louder you talk the more people will listen to you.” America is an advertising (propaganda) nation and Americans don’t listen to reason but only to loud, fast talking salesmen.
Anyone else is seen as layed back, unambitious, stupid, or in other words a liberal.
Glen Beck is what Mao Zedong called a “running dog of capitalism” and he is proud of it. No one can stop him and he knows it.
Like a dog chasing a car Glen Beck thinks he is scaring the car away Woof, woof.
Stupid rules when reason is paralyzed by fear. Meow. Meow.

BurnDaddy | 9/24/2009, 1:35 pm EST

No surprise really. After all, this is a man who, when he was a shock jock on morning radio, called the wife of a DJ on a competing station the day after she had a miscarriage to ridicule her and her husband on air. Beck is scum of the worst kind, it blows me away that ANYONE would give this phony creep a forum to spew his hate-filled nonsense. But I think that, in time, through his own words and actions, this fool will dig his own grave and become a distant memory. One can hope.

richard | 9/24/2009, 1:40 pm EST

Becks new book is listest along with *Single a new documentary film
on barnesandnoble.com “Picks of the week” and also on the “Best Seller” documentaries list.

George | 9/24/2009, 1:51 pm EST

Rolling Stone is criticizing someone for being “pure alienation?” For rebelling against The Establishment?
Well, I never!

Should Rolling Stone even exist since they are now the prissy, Victorian voice of The Establishment?

JR | 9/24/2009, 1:55 pm EST

So Frum likes politicians? Both parties have completely failed. David Frum is a fake conservative that liberals love to quote when he attacks real conservatives. Our founders believed that government was a necessary evil. They were right.

Jerry C | 9/24/2009, 1:58 pm EST

If Beck continues to lose sponsors,
Murdoch will fire him. Murdoch is all about money. If I owned a business and there was somebody who wasn’t pulling their weight, he’d be gone in a heartbeat.

DJBALL | 9/24/2009, 1:59 pm EST

Glenn Beck is merely a pathetic tool being used to co-opt the Liberty Movement. Most of us hate Beck and its unfortunate that some of us have been suckered into believing this hack. Most of Beck’s fans voted Bush twice so that tells you all you need to know.

Russ | 9/24/2009, 2:01 pm EST

From counter-culture voice to government propagandist in only 40 years – congratulations Rolling Stone!

DfromOhio | 9/24/2009, 2:01 pm EST

history lessons from an undereducated, drug-addled, ‘morning zoo’ disc jockey with ADD? thanks, but think I’ll stick with thinkers like paul krugman. you know, nobel laureate in economics.
beck doesn’t ‘think’, he weaves orson welles radio dramas.

snerd | 9/24/2009, 2:10 pm EST

There is none so blind as he who will not see………

Gil | 9/24/2009, 2:13 pm EST

We have more masters degrees and Ph.D’s in this economy then we have ever had in the history of the country and things are getting much much worse. Clearly they are all educated into stupidity. The more educated someoen is, the easier it is to sucker them.

Beck is a breath of fresh air becasue he is right and can play the establishment-educated crowd like a violin and win every time.

JimmySimpson | 9/24/2009, 2:25 pm EST

Our government NEEDS checks and balances. Beck serves a purpose, unlike all of the regular “News” shows and newspapers do. FOX News is doing the job that the other American press won’t do. Don’t hate the messenger.

Vince | 9/24/2009, 2:27 pm EST

I’m a Out of work 52 year old U.A.W. Auto worker who attended not only a Town Hall meeting but also a Tea Party..I just wanted to say Thank you Rolling Stone, for calling me, a”Town Brawler” and a “Right Winger”…LOL , just because I’m a concerned citizen who cares about my future and the future of my country. You just lost a long time reader

JP | 9/24/2009, 2:49 pm EST

Our government is dysfunctional. Unfortunately, we need someone alot more intelligent and articulate than Glenn Beck pointing that out and rallying the troops in an effort to save it.

I’ll be the first to admit that I have never seen a complete episode of Glenn Beck’s show on CNN or FOX. From the clips of the shows that I’ve seen, he is a very irrational, obnoxious blow hard.

It’s sad to see people who are disaffected citizens of this country buy into Glenn Beck’s self-promoting propaganda. Just because someone in the media point out an obvious truth that doesn’t mean you should take everything he/she say as gospel. That is what these Glenn Beck disciples are doing. It’s just sad. People who are full of just anger, protesting in public, screaming useless catchphrases such as: “I want my country back!” without any clue on what exactly it mean or how to actually get our government back to being accountable to every citizens instead of just corporate donors.

stillahippie | 9/24/2009, 3:13 pm EST

Beck is part of the corporate media he is paid to suck us in and deliver us to the sponsor. His jive about taking the country back back from government control is carefully worked out to feed us to insurance company’s. its hard to be free when you are bought and sold.

tm7devils | 9/24/2009, 3:30 pm EST

If GB says we have a Fascist government then he is correct – if his definition is the same as Mossolini’s: government by corporation.
Outside influences, not limited to companies and corporations, have been gaining strength in controlling our “democratic” government for, at least, the last ten administrations – not two – all through that lovely funnel “K Street”.
Government hasn’t gotten bigger, how it controls and manipulates our lives has been taken from our hands, the individual voter, and placed in the hands of corporations who are willing to pay big bucks to our elected officials to do their bidding. This process is fueled by two conjoined things: Greed and moral turpitude – on both the giving and receiving ends.
If anyone thinks their government is run under any other system then they are self-delusional, at the very least.
If these self same people think they have the power to change this system then they do not have a firm grasp of reality.

Anonymous | 9/24/2009, 3:31 pm EST

For me, as a Black man, I find it hard to see the truth in the Constitution when the first line in it, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men were created equal” obviously did NOT include my people. Nothing that comes after that would be germaine to us…PEACE.

EthanAllen | 9/24/2009, 3:38 pm EST

First of all, anyone who views the political division in our nation as being one framed by the likes of Beck and Fromm has, rather knowingly or unknowingly, already capitulated to the established propaganda and revisionism of the status quo. It is one thing to be functionally ignorant, and quite another to be gleeful about such a condition.
That Fromm and Beck are doing their employer’s bidding when they throw their dung on the walls of political discourse is a well-known and established fact; as is their propensity for dissembling and revisionism. As this very post and the subsequent comments demonstrate, the distractions that they implement do succeed. They not only distract citizens from using what little time they may have for trying to stay abreast of serious political concerns, they actually seek to undermine and denigrate the understanding and respect the citizens have for their government and national history.
In this particular instance, all those within the reach of this missive can choose to displace this distraction by simply reading
Thomas Paine’s “COMMON SENSE”; which, of course, is the original publication that Beck claims to assimilate, and intends to displace in the minds of our citizens, merely by plagiarizing the title. Coincidentally this does not seem to bother Fromm, as he does not appear to be offended by the defamation of the principles of Thomas Paine and our Founders; principles that are our national legacy, and are supposed to be the foundation of our political intelligence.
Read Thomas Paine fellow citizens, and do not waste your valuable time allowing these paid professional operatives to distract and misinform you.

John Q Public | 9/24/2009, 3:41 pm EST

Thank you! I always turn to Rolling Stone for my political views. (oh, and Jon Stewart)

DJ Dash | 9/24/2009, 3:48 pm EST

Anonymous Black Man, that document, in particular that sentence, was later used to defend the right to equal citizenship in the eyes of the law, something blacks in great numbers now strive ardently to prevent homosexuals from achieving.

Everything is relative, my friend. The document itself is almost above reproach. The implementation and interpretation of it, however, has been an issue since the first letters were penned.

There will be a social injustice with which every generation will struggle. The question is, how will ours deal with the issues we have now?

Will we penalize success and redistribute wealth? Will we attempt to fix a health care system that is highly effective but costly due to complexity by making it more complex? Will we continue to deny equal rights based on sexual orientation.

“PEACE” is nice and all, but it never got anyone anywhere. I’ll take some conflict and see if my generation can actually achieve something.

Low On Prozac | 9/24/2009, 3:51 pm EST

Fox News has Progressive apologists on all its shows, including Hannity. MSNBC and the rest of MSM have Progs interviewing Progs, it’s as simple as that.

Pam | 9/24/2009, 4:01 pm EST

This is hysterical. The msm gets their news from reading each other. You take a couple of sentences and think you have the problem solved? You elite butt heads make me as sick as the freaking politicans who think they run the world. Guess what, your cushie ride is over. Yes, we are the middle class and we are where the money comes from. You can figure out what I mean by that.

2sayf | 9/24/2009, 4:09 pm EST

Why haven’t the allegations that he raped a woman in 1990 garnered more attention? If he is innocent, then what’s he hiding? Why won’t he simply deny the allegations and quit trying to cover them up? unreasonablysafe.com/2009/09/0 1/beckrape/
I think we owe it to that poor woman who was allegedly victimized in 1990. I think we owe it to her family. I think we owe it to Dale Earnhardt. I think we owe it to America. More importantly, I think we owe it to 1990.

Freedom Fighter | 9/24/2009, 4:15 pm EST

Hey, why don’t we just go back to the apathy of the 70’s? Leave me alone, I just got my Amana Radar Range, and I’m happy!

Robbers | 9/24/2009, 5:01 pm EST

The constitution was written as a blueprint, not a road map. It is a living document which guides us.

Merkwurdigliebe | 9/24/2009, 5:37 pm EST

Beck is entitled to his views and beliefs and whatnot. I think some of his analysis of general problem of government corruption is correct, but some of his solutions to said problems and his presentation is a little out there.

Scary thing is, his ruminations on government are not that new, or novel. People ranging from Locke to Montesquieu to DeTocqueville to Bakunin have long warned at the corruption and and totalitarianism that occurs when you place everything over to the government at the expense of personal liberty. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Coach– How does government intrude in your life? You ever tried to get marijuana or smoke it outside of the West Coast? You ever tried to smoke a cigarette in NYC? Ever tried to spend your Social Security money the way you want to spend it? Ever filed a tax form, or been audited on a whim?

The government interferes with your life, needlessly, ALL THE TIME. And, ironically, you seem to think that we should invite the government into even further ecroachment into our daily lives. Yeah, lets turn our health over to the same people who handled Katrina, sounds mahvelous…

DirtyDennis | 9/24/2009, 5:50 pm EST

I have about as much sway with young TD as a swallow with a forest fire, but I HAVE to say this ‘inverting’ of the comments sucks.

Miller | 9/24/2009, 6:09 pm EST

How funny! Rolling Stone hating on Glenn Beck. What? Is he making too much sense? Please name any FACTS he stated on his show that is FALSE. Liberals always attack people that don’t have their same point of view; yet never have any FACTS to support it.

In_Awe | 9/24/2009, 6:51 pm EST

When our representatives create and pass legislation that they haven’t even read – that impoverishes my daughter’s generation. When Democrat Congressmen say offhandedly that most of what is done in Washington is not authorized by the Constitution and not flinch. When Congressional Republicans gorge themselves on pork in exchange for their votes and yet try to position themselves as somehow different. When public opposition to policies of the administration is belittled, demonized and dismissed by the heads of the House and Senate. When the President refuses to be interviewed on the largest drawing cable news network he is trying to disengage from a sizable segment of the voters in this country.

When this and more is happening, it is time to act boldly and challenge politicians of both parties recommit to acting within the bounds of the Constitution and on behalf of the nation as a whole – not partisan slices. Beck is exposing the corruption and hidden agendas of both sides – and using the politicians’ own words as evidence. That is riling a bunch of people used to media being passive and subservient — good!

Thinking About It | 9/24/2009, 6:54 pm EST

“FOX News is doing the job that the other American press won’t do.”
Ah for the good old days of Ramparts magazine.

DfromOhio | 9/24/2009, 8:43 pm EST

don’tcha just love it when Faux News droids start babbling about the “MSM”?
“MSM” is actually secret code for, “we know that we suck our Fox propaganda from mega-MSM multinational News Corp., but we’ll just keep cluelessly sucking cause we love Rupert Murdoch and that News Corp. MSM mega-titty.”

that’s right, News Corp. AKA, the Wall Street Journal. Dow Jones. New York Post. Sky Broadcasting. The Sun. News of the World. HarperCollins Publishing. 20th Century Fox (Hollywood!). and many, many more around the world.

truth is, Glenn Beck is growing fat in the belly of the MSM beast, the very beast that he pretends to despise. And Rupert and co. continue to exploit the lucrative niche market of gullible conservatives, and they’re laughing all the way to the bank.

gagabyte-me | 9/24/2009, 9:28 pm EST

DfromOhio says Beck is “an undereducated, drug-addled, ‘morning zoo’ disc jockey with ADD”

Gee wiz, anyone heard about Hunter S. Thompson? He used to write political commentary for RS between infrequent experimentations with sobriety.

For those too young to vote before the last election just Wiki or Google Dr. Thompson. Better still look up Gonzo Journalism. Could RS today hire someone like HST? Doubt it. Rs is too slick, corporate and very establishment now.

Irony is there is nobody on the national stage of news/commmentary today that is more Gonzo than Beck.

So out of a nation of 300 million+ less than 2 percent tune in to watch Beck. If ya can’t dig it then live with it. If you can’t live with it then drink a tall glass of get over it.

Terry, TX | 9/25/2009, 12:08 am EST

Rolling Stones…..you should have the membership the Fox Channel has… consumers rule…. they don’t like the magazine….the celebrity.. the singer…. the actor…. it affects you in the pocketbook. You guys are looking very good right now.

Greg_D | 9/25/2009, 1:46 am EST

Rolling Stone is against the war on drugs, against U.S. involvement in removing tyrants, bashed the Republicans for running up large deficits, thinks the military is too large, is against laws making domestic contracts for gays illegal and a bunch of other government, especially federal government, policies. Rolling Stone has more in common with Beck, a libertarian, than straight liberal idealists.

Hoof Hearted | 9/25/2009, 2:16 pm EST

@ Miller

How about Beck calling healthcare reform “reparations for black people?”

Seriously, healthcare reform will help white far more than any other race.

Go ahead, spin.

Anonymous | 9/25/2009, 3:48 pm EST

Jed Clampett

HMmm, cocaine addled rise to stardom, a self imagined take on reality, a lack of respect for others, manipulation of the public via suggestion and repetition and a fascination with ‘war of the worlds’. Sounds a lot like W if you ignore the last part.

Seems the guy has chosen the wrong side in that war, huh?

An interesting expose about him on Salon.com

http://www.salon.com/news/ feature/2009/09/21/glenn_beck/

Somewhere In The Middle | 9/25/2009, 3:49 pm EST

Nice one 2sayf! So are you the mongoloid who doctored the Durham Police rape report from the Duke Lacrosse case and put Glenn Beck’s name on it and then plastered it all over liberal blogs? If so, I hope that someone someday returns the favor to you.
I’m kind of surprised that such a stand up site like the DailyKos would keep such a blatantly fabricated POS up on their site, but maybe I’m giving them too much credit.
I’ve watched Beck’s program a couple of times and find him to be your typical blowhard in the same vein as O’Reilly. I do think he raises good points and I’m glad that SOMEONE raised a stink about Green Jobs Czar Van Jones and the NEA’s Yosi Sargent.

alex | 9/25/2009, 3:52 pm EST

I wonder how many copies would sell if TD published a book.

Anonymous | 9/25/2009, 4:50 pm EST

Aww, how cute. They are upset because someone used the tactics they so happily accept when used by their political affiliates. So much for goose and gander talk, huh?

Somewhere In The Middle | 9/25/2009, 5:04 pm EST

Anonymous, if that little jab was directed at me, I’ll have you know that I don’t “happily accept” any sort of doctoring or production of fraudulent documents to besmirch ANYONE, whether their views fall in line with the left or the right. Clearly, you DO NOT feel the same way as you are more interested in partisanship and don’t find a problem with said documents.

Anonymous | 9/26/2009, 9:50 am EST

“I’ll have you know” HA!

is that code for ‘I want to indoctrinate you as I have been’

That’s too funny.

You have a great sense of irony if not a facility for self deceit.

IDEAR | 9/26/2009, 6:49 pm EST

I have to say that I am confused by the Glenn Beck hoopla. What is all the fuss about? I have never given this guy a second thought and now I am being told that he’s satan’s right hand man. I think this is just a matter of envy on the part of Dickinson. I am starting to think that all this little dweeb has to offer is a bunch of hot air. He looks like the fat kid that got beat up on the bus.

Ghost in the Machine | 9/26/2009, 11:00 pm EST

Has to do whit how he uses language to manipulate the masses for personal profit and to deliver his audience to his cronies. Psychology 101. Capital.ism at it’s worst.

Matthew | 9/27/2009, 12:16 pm EST

Dumbocrats are totally confused by voices like Beck or Levin. The political philosophy espoused by them is optimistic about the condition of the individual and thereby unites a following of like minded people who long for the freedom to pursue their own betterment. The alternative is the politics of division in which a chosen few bear the responsibility of doling out happiness according to some supposed revelation of equity. This vision will never inspire a significant, united following for any sustained period of time.

Somewher In The Middle | 9/27/2009, 3:15 pm EST

Nice response anonymous, rather than address the issue at hand, you ignore what was stated and instead, throw out red herrings in hopes that no one will recognize your inability to form an intelligent and worthwhile argument.
If I have this straight, I don’t believe in fraud or the forging of anything for the purpose of damaging someone else’s good name, but you DO NOT have a problem with it as long as it is only damaging to those with whom you disagree. Yep, and I’m the one whose been indoctrinated. Isn’t it time for your next glass of Kool-Aid?

alex | 9/28/2009, 5:24 am EST

How is Beck’s use of language any different than anyone else’s? Making generalized accusations without citing a basis is dumb. I have never seen or heard anything out of him that gives me a charge one way or the other. He’s just another talking head.

Anonymous | 9/28/2009, 6:15 am EST

This little piece just goes to show how caught up in their own insular delusions Americans are. It’s gotten to the point where weaving nonsense about Glenn Beck passes for journalism. When Israel attacks Iran the health care imbroglio will be officially over. More to the point it will be very clear that there is just no way to pay for Obamacare with expanding foreign policy commitments. Furthermore, no one is going to care about stiffs like Beck when the war heats up, energy prices skyrocket and the economic recovery backslides. America will be reminded that there are limits. Reality will come crashing in again and hopefully this whipped up frenzy of rhetoric will abate.

Coach | 9/28/2009, 2:53 pm EST

Anonymous, nobody’s going to bomb Iran. It would set off WWIII, and that war would be the United States against Russia, China, and Iran.

No thanks

However, I agree that Glenn Beck is a moldy turd.

Anonymous | 9/28/2009, 7:44 pm EST

You forgot Brittain, France, Spain, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Venezuela, Colombia, Canada, Mexico…. you didn’t think they were going to miss the party, did you?

Everyonewants some money out of this, that’s why they supported the Iranian thieve of elections and gave him the legitimacy of allowing him to speak at the UN. They should have left him out because he doesn’t represent the people of Iran. Now, in AjFunkyColeMedinaJab, they have the perfect excuse to “MOBILIZE” the war machines.
Welcome to the future, there are two doors in front of you, which one will you choose?
Decisions, decisions.

Kevin | 9/29/2009, 2:54 am EST

I try to watch the Glen Beck show but it is too disturbing sometimes. I don’t know if he is truly misguided or if he is just acting this way to get noticed and to get paid. when he was on headline news he was always a right wing voice but not as nutty as he is now. The bottom line is he is an entertainer, the Maralyn Manson of the news industry, dangerous when his words are taken seriously and followed by misguided people. (sorry Manson fans, that is maybe a bad example.) it’s frightening that people i know come in to work and recite his talking points to everybody, and they think it’s news, or truth. But it is mostly conspiracy.

Kevin | 9/29/2009, 3:01 am EST

At first i really was not worried about this guy, but people do watch his show and believe everything that comes out of his mouth. Makes me warry of where i get my “news” none of these cable news networks can give me what i want.

Thomas, CA | 9/29/2009, 2:31 pm EST

Ah, Glenn Beck supporters…..

Xenophobia Alive And Well!

bench coach | 9/30/2009, 9:18 am EST

Coach, Israel will bomb Iran in the next 6 months. If you haven’t figured it out, that’s what the concession to Russia on missile defense was about. Brilliant move by the administration.

Merkwurdigliebe | 9/30/2009, 12:31 pm EST

Coach- Israel, in all probability, will bomb Iran. We’ve literally done everything but give them the green light to do so.

China could care less; whether or not Iran’s nuclear facilities are bombed, they’ll still sell their technologies to Iran in exchange for oil deals, if not, there are several others who will be more than willing to do so, among them, Venezuela and Nigeria. China may issue a cursory denoucement, but, at the end of the day, China is not going to risk its own strategic aims by entering, at least openly, into a Israeli-Iranian conflict in which it stands little to gain for its troubles. Russia is in the same boat, as they’re in no position to do anything after Georgia, and, at the end of the day, could more or less do without Iran. They’re a necessary thorn in our side, but Russia can easily find another if they so need to, same for China, who are conering the market on East African influence.

The one’s who’ll be pushing for this will be Israel under the guise of security, Saudi Arabia under the guise of regional hegemony, and, perhaps, the UAE, which has its own nuclear program currently underway. We’ve moved our missile shield to this area…so we now control whose missiles will strike and whose wont.

That said, I think attacking Iran would be a big, big mistake. We ought to be considering an embargo or very strict sanctions (i.e., find out what they need, and deny it), which will force democratic regime change from within. The populace came close once, one little push and its goodnight and good luck for the Mullahs…but galvanizing the populace via missile strikes is not the way to do so.

Coach | 9/30/2009, 1:18 pm EST

Bench(ed) Coach: So, you want me to believe some conspiracy theory about a missle defense system as evidence that Israel is going to bomb Iran?

OK. Thanks for all the facts.

Good luck Israel. Not sure we got your back……I know I don’t

benched coach | 9/30/2009, 1:48 pm EST

I don’t know anything about a conspiracy, but I do know the US is in a tight spot foreign policywise. This is like the end of the open of a chess match. Too many pieces are on the board. In order to change the dynamics, a pawn or two have to be sacrificed to give the US a little diplomatic wiggle room. Look for another concession to Russia after the bombing, likely no support over Georgia’s protest over a road to Sochi through Abkhazia from the Black Sea this summer. In exchange, Russia will stay out of the mix, or even back us, as the US defends Israel’s attack. This all has to come to a head and die out well in advance of the Nov 2010 elections. I bet you a penny it goes down like this.

Merkwurdigliebe | 9/30/2009, 6:53 pm EST

Coach- we will have our WWIII whether you like it or not.
Your children will happily go off to fight for the Fourth Reich’s profits and hegemony. They have been programmed by their mass murder video games and will kill, pillage, rape and die with gusto, we have done our job well.
Russia’s rope-a-dope will work to perfection and they will retaliate on Western Allies as soon as Israel decides that they don’t need the US’s $3 Billion a year now that they have cornered the diamond markets via the virtual enslavement of the African people into mining enterprises.
China has been spoiling for a war as an excuse to mobilize the population and take Taiwan back, they will happily join to reduce their population and consolidate their power.
What’s even better, you and the rest of the lemmings won’t do a thing to prevent it because you are too busy watching the John and Kate drama, the health care drama, the economic drama, and all the other ‘reality shows’ to recognize what is really going on.

Long live acquisition and profit!!

Merkwurdigliebe | 10/1/2009, 2:33 pm EST

Fake Merk– Really, you have to steal someone else’s moniker to get your point across?

Take your wacko conspiracy theories (blame video games, or the Jews, yeah, its gotta be those Jews and their evil diamonds) elsewhere dude, or, at least think up your own moniker to spew idiocy.

dianrib | 10/1/2009, 4:57 pm EST

I agree – folks just want to go about their business and NOT be over taxed. But we have to realize some facts : Reagan – Bush / Greenspan / Paulson & CO ’s toxic policies of deregulation -since 1981- was a systematic strategy to undermine the middle and working class and hugely enrich the top 1 – 2 % . Reagan lowered the top tax rate from 70 % to 28 % – that was massive .. W decided they needed another huge tax cut- even to CO’s who sent jobs overseas – all this while we fought 2 major wars- one we were lied into- and much of our infrastructure was crumbing. Those huge cuts forced us to wage pay for 2 wars and run gov’t on borrowed money from China- our ATM of choice. .
I used to vote GOP myself. Now I have taken the time to read and learn more than I ever did before. We have to forget party labels- our only label should be American – period.
Isn’ t it strange that the Bush family has been so closely ‘ connected’ to big oil for over 60 yrs ? Bush Sr gave safe haven to the Shah of Iran- a tyrant- leading up to the a new leader in Iran who hates the USaA.
George W has very close ties with OPEC and the Saudi Royal Family –
W got them out of the US fast after
9 / 11 . Cheneys Halliburton makes billions in Iraq – as does Black water
Acorn had some bad apples- but the GOP has had their sites on Acorn for years . Why ? They registered blacks / Hispanics to vote !! . Can’t have that !
Interesting fact : 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9 / 11 were from Saudi Arabia- NONE from Iraq .
The plot thickens ..

JimmyAloha | 10/1/2009, 6:03 pm EST

Want to read something about Conservative Big Government policies being forced upon the rest of the world whilest America slept…read
The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein
The best book about the Neocon Privitization via Totalitarianism supported by the US ever written. Read it and weep!

woosh! | 10/2/2009, 8:50 am EST

That’s the sound of all the carbon dioxide being emitted by Obama’s Olympic delegation.

schroedinger'sCat | 10/3/2009, 12:53 am EST

Beck is the right’s answer to Louis Farakhan. He says things which appeal to people who feel wronged, and who want to let off some steam.

But like Farakhan, Beck goes way over the top and makes insane statements.

I agree with Lindsay Graham that, for example, all this stupid stuff about Obama’s birth certificate is insane.

Maybe Graham should have run, instead of McCain…

Anonymous | 10/3/2009, 2:12 am EST

McCain is a Grand Dragon of the order of the Skulls, while Graham is a simple stooge, a puppet with too many skeletons in his closet to be brave and release his true memories about how evil has taken his country away.

Marton R | 10/8/2009, 8:46 am EST

Beck has one single doctrine: Make money by being outrageous. There is no other doctrine. That is why he makes an A*S*S orf himself by smearing Vicks under his eyes. He, Limbaugh, etc….

The way they do it is simple: Be outrageous. That’s all: And there is enough of a lunatic fringe out there to amplify the message. It’s a disgrace, but there you have it: the manipulation of the mass media.

James Street | 10/8/2009, 12:29 pm EST

Beck advocates a naive form of libertarianism-anarchism.
It’s been around since Jesus Christ and Lao-Tzu. Thomas Jefferson flirted with it until it was time to free his slaves and address the practical problems of the President of the United States.
Beck is a successful media figure and in today’s world that implies a big mouth attached to a small mind.
Nothing to get excited about.

Frank | 10/14/2009, 11:37 am EST

Ratings tell it all.
Glenns TV ratings double his COMBINED competitors.
I love seeing everyone claiming “Glenns just small minded and uneducated grr rawr boo hoo”
its getting kind of old, when you belittle with rhetoric yet provide no factual information.
Its cute..and so are you :)

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