Americans and your daft ways of counting. It’s 8/7/9 today.

Slow day, TD?

Well,,
Happy Damn 07-09-09!!
Weather man says it’s going to be Thursday all day tomorrow,, So Get Over It!!

And if the hippies, cut off all their hair.
I don’t care… I don’t care.

At least not for that.

I say love, is the seventh wave.

Castles made of sand, slip into the sea… eventually.

it was count up day too:

at 12:34 and 56 seconds on the 7th month on the 8th day in the 9th year

Well lookie here, it would appear Mr. Panetta seems to be saying that the CIA has misled Congress since 2001 — remarkably enough, until last month.

I wonder how many of you out there who called Pelosi a liar will man up and apologize.

Let’s see, is there any reason to tell the truth to someone like Nancy Pelosi, not only our nations’ first Female Speaker of the House,, but our nations’ first Mentally Reatarded one to boot!

Doubt it DD. This will be/already has been spun by the Lunatic Fringe.

“Panetta’s just covering her arse.”

Which would mean that the CIA is not being forthright, which is exactly what she was saying………..

Bubba,

Weren’t she and Panetta bumping heads over this a while back? She said she wasn’t told something, Panetta says she would. As if Panetta would know.

So, Wild Thingie, is that an apology, delta style?

Tim-
I have a suggestion. This forum, for the most part is great. Witty, charming and insightful posters…wise, thought-provoking, and generous hosters…

Still, every now and then the content is lacking. The current thread is a perfect example. You can, and do, do better than that. The content from this end falls short on occasion too, I must admit.

So, here’s my suggestion…

Why not challenge the peanut gallery to compete, in a sense, for the privlige of being a ‘guest host’ when you are too taxed to come up with anything better than say 7/8/9? Posters who share some insight that strikes your fancy and maitain a degree of decorum could be invited to enjoy this privlige for a thread.

A brilliant, market-based solution, no?

Ole the egalitarian?

There WAS a time when TD had sort of an ‘open thread.’ He’d list a number of ‘events’ and we got to chat it up on whatever we wanted.

But I like, within reason, Ole’s idea. I fear it would get out of hand (partisan?) far too fast. But hey, isn’t everything else herein partisan?

Egalitarian? No way! I just like a little sport. It hardly matters to me how partisan it gets. I don’t come here for fair and balanced coverage of national affairs. Still I think it would be cool to read a Coach or Merk thread.

six is afraid of seven because of kalki’s power and the fear of jedi’s

I think I heard BFOOO choke on his fruit loops with that egalitarian crack… I even laughed at that one.

Blood. I’ve actually proposed the same thing with Tim, to no avail. I agree that this is a cool forum, much less toxic than ANY of the others. However, the threads are too far in between, which is why the comments get so sporadic…..we go off on our own tangents and debates.

Here’s a topic for ya: Reselling gravesites. Tossing the ‘old’ caskets into a pile.

Very Stephen King(ish)……creepy.

Good one Coach. If enough people just went ahead and did their own thing, wouldn’t that suffice?

I’m all for cremation. We have FAR too much land devoted to honoring the dead. If we MUST ‘preserve’ the bodies, then I propose we ‘plant’ them vertically. In fact, ten to a ‘tube.’

Very creepy and VERY Chicago.

Vertically stacked body’s in a tube… now that’s rich. In some people’s eyes, that is their version of heaven, as long as the right info is pumped into their screens.

BTW- did you see the news about the elixir of rejuvenation being discovered in Easter Island? Guess what country that is in.

Happy Easter everyone!!!

Back to Abe’s odyssey… Peace

An extra added ‘bonus’ in the Tube Concept that is, with time, the bodies will decompose. You could have them leach out the bottom, rejuvenating the soil, in the process, making room for more.

The gift that keeps on giving.

Families could ‘reserve’ a tube.

“Yup, that’s the DirtyDennis’ tube over there. Best damned peaches and tomatoes you ever saw.”

Here’s a good one:

Five congressional agencies have ‘reviewed’ the warrant less wire taping practice of Formad and concluded that there was no legal review for establishing the process but, no matter, the results were ineffective any way.

So, what we had was politics wrapped up in national security. What a surprise.

Shouldn’t the books about the last eight years be hitting the markets about now? Just how long does it take to write an expose any more?

Perhaps we should have a ‘drip thread.’ Little ’secrets’ about the past administration, and doubtless about this one as well, will ‘leak’ out, ‘drip’ by ‘drip.’ The concept would also prove effective in discussing the ‘drip of the week.’ Drip in this case would mean JERK. I’m confident one can be fingered each week.

Oops, the bball games are starting. Gotta switch to SI and follow the scores.

Here’s a thought for you (and whoever else) DirtyOne: Dick Cheney was a white house aide during the Nixon administration and we all know about Watergate and ’snooping’ into the DNC, and whatever else that we didn’t hear about.

Well, fast forward thirty years, and Dick Cheney is the mastermind of the largest spying machine ever. Do we honestly think it was just to find criminals (ironic, isn’t it?). Criminals looking for criminals….

Anyway, my point is this: Maybe it was a larger objective, one that mirrors on a grand scale: Watergate. Snooping on opposition and political opponents/media………….

Which brings me to my next point: If something isn’t done on a grand scale to the perpetrators of this policy, then it will repeat itself tenfold in about 25 years.

One more thing to ponder: Why so much secrecy? When a terrorist plot, allegedly, is thwarted, we immediately hear about it. In other words, do we really have that many enemies, since we rarely hear of thwarted plots? Or, is this whole ’secrecy’ thing the MIC’s way of keeping us scared while growing their budget every year???

Help me O B 1, you’re my only hope.
What was once the local canines has been switched for a team of professionals.
The Old Republican Guard is at work.
I’m in the House’s Burgess district and it seems some big hands are pulling the strings.
Tried to contact Phoebie, she was very helpful and receptive at first; even though it was late at night, she got a call that made her really nervous and then became dismissive.
Apparently this goes way up the chain of command. I followed her advice and put in an open records request at the mound of flowers PD, but I doubt they will produce anything, everyone there seemed very nervous, may be my cub scouting and their unlawful activity. I’ve gathered quite alot of evidence of these acts and placed them in safe hands. I angered the war horses and they have been intent on hurting me. My workshop has been infested with brown recluse spiders. I’ve been offered poisoned water and my shoes have been filled with a powdery acidic substance. Now my stallion seems to have developed a sleeping sickness, introduced by an older woman at the WalSmart Parking lot.
At first there was a team of corporate operatives, one of them a spade, a weapon of war in a precious black bat that sweats at night, when I asked if it was radioactive he and his teammate stumbled.
He befriended me but I knew exactly who he was from the start, in fact, I approached him. They even know my familiars as evidenced on the posts on these boards by a bloody fool.

Now I have Company men and women with great resources at their disposal on my trail. I believe even a high in the sky chirper is being used. I’ve been able to sense and localize it’s source, they occasionaly turn up the amplitude and frequency.
It’s getting rather annoying and it’s cooking the atmosphere in the lone star. If you or your subordinates get this message, please help.
These dark forces should be stopped and they have slipped up so much that the evidence I have can make them all enemies of the state as they seem to want to paint me.

Peace and love to you and us all.

Your faithful Jedi.

Coach,

You touch on a very special subject for me, philosophically. I was fairly apolitical (moderate?) prior to the election of Nixon. In fact, I supported it but failed to vote for him inasmuch as I was slogging through basic training at Fort Lewis.

My appreciation/respect for Nixon wavered quickly when it became apparent he had no interest in ending the conflict in Viet Nam, his major campaign platform.

But it wasn’t until the Watergate hearings that the depth and intensity of anger that was to become the hallmark of the Right revealed itself.

Mitchell, Haldeman, Erlichman, Colson, et al were revealed to be mean spirited, hateful people. All the more distressing, they seemed to revel in their disdain for others. It was a badge they wore.

Not surprising, then, to see Mr. Cheney, given his close association with Rumsfeld, follow the lead established by those around him.

Anger bordering on hatred seems to be the well spring from which those people operated. A common denominator amongst them is they were all prototypically middle class and hated the Kennedys and the liberal elite.

I have no doubt there is a link between these kinds of people and the assassination of JFK. The fact that Bobby was going to apparently be Nixon’s opponent in the 1968 election speaks for why he was assassinated.

It is these ‘behind the scenes’ people which frighten me the most and are the source of my dislike of the Right. Reagan and the ‘Texas Tumbleweeds’ are/were comic lightweights, no more than figureheads for the motives and operations of such people as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Weinberger, Shulttz, from ‘The Nixon Years’ into ‘The Reagan Years’ where such luminaries as Poindexter, North, Haig, Bennett and Casey hypocritically took the ‘ends justify the means’ philosophy to it’s illogical conclusion.

Sowing seeds of discontent, these ‘Cheneyites’ traded missiles for hostages, armed Iran, Iraq AND Israel to the teeth, tried to overthrow legitimate governments and used cocaine as its cash cow. Talk about your war on drugs. Early on they concluded they were above the law, or more appropriately, the law was whatever they said it was, and we witness the fruits of these labors today.

Remarkably, this country has slept through it all. Worse, a sizeable segment of the population embraced, nay, cheered these developments. Their sneering visages, from Haldeman to Rumsfeld to Cheney, remind me of the Cardinals of the Middle Ages. They had disdain for the nobility AND the peasantry, not unlike Cheney and his ilk. They are able to get away with this duality by, for the most part, secreting their dislike for the common man, but they are more the beneficiaries of most in this country thinking THEY are middle class and NOT ‘common.’

Too, they have successfully painted liberalism as the party of the elite; how ironic. And the Democrats have played into their hands, nominating for Prez such ‘men of the people’ as Dukakis, Humphrey, Gore and Kerrey. What dupes. Sans the anomaly of Bill Clinton, the Left hasn’t put up a ‘common man’ since Adlai Stevenson and even HE was an egghead. Small wonder Congress has been, until recently, the party of the people and the Presidency the party of the rich.

We can only hope that Mr. Cheney’s finger prints and foot prints lead to some sort of legal accounting, but there has been no indication of intestinal fortitude, save for sending our troops into harm’s way, in Washington D.C.

Coach-
This is an interesting topic of discussion. I also think that aggressive use of surveillance is something all sorts of political perspectives are likely to find problematic. However, the problem is, by its very nature, secret squirrel stuff like this is hard to speculate about. If indeed as you suggest Bushney was using surveillance for political purposes, then we would expect there to be some effect. Although, to the extent that the surveillance is being conducted secretly, it is hard, when we see the effect, to know that it is the result of a malicious cause. Still, this does not rule out that it is being done, just that it is hard to observe it. For some reason, my instinct tells me that the stakes are way too high when going after high-profile politicians. Also, at that point, high-profile politicians are integrated into the power structure. The fallout is just too inconvenient to manage. For example, pretend Nixon’s skulduggery had been uncovered by Democrat surveillance. Think of the chain of events that followed. In some ways, I would argue that it was Nixon’s demise that caused the nation to take a chance on Carter, who, though a very complex human being, was not an effective chief executive. 12 years of Republican administrations followed. My point is that it would be much too difficult to manage the fallout a conspiracy against the big shots. And I didn’t even bring up the complexities that would arise when both parties had people spying on the other. On the other hand, it would not surprise me if surveillance was being used on the state and local levels. The question then becomes how do we learn to recognize it, distinguishing it from just plain stupidity?

Sorry TD, I AM chagrined.

But SOMETHING squirelly ‘goes on’ from time to time. Posts are there, then they’re not, then …

As I said, I apologize for speaking less than flattering about you.

This time!!

DD we understand it is part of the Liberal DNA, quick to judge and slow to realize their error. Can’t fight gentics

Now to correct other Liberal rantings.

From a leading liberal newspaper, “We never briefed the vice president, the president or the Cabinet,” said a former senior intelligence official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the program remains highly secret. He said the program remained in the planning stages and never crossed the agency’s threshold for reporting to the administration and congressional overseers. ”

For more relevant issues lets discuss the CNN poll showing less than 50% favor approving Sotomayor.

DC,

I’d rather be a doofus than a dupe.

Is it not possible to imagine, given the devious nature of the attendants, them cleverly keeping the program in ‘the planning stages’ FOREVER, so as to avoid accountability.

Don’t be a pawn, question authority.

Sure, D&C, Does that mean that the policy wasn’t being executed, just because it was ‘clarified’ to be in the planning stages? And, let’s all discuss the topics of triviality that you’d like to bring up about Sotomayor.

The King of Triviality Lives On………Keepup the bitter work DC.

“And I wonder whether by ignoring our differences as women or men of color we do a disservice both to the law and society. Whatever the reasons why we may have different perspectives, either as some theorists suggest because of our cultural experiences or as others postulate because we have basic differences in logic and reasoning, are in many respects a small part of a larger practical question we as women and minority judges in society in general must address.”

-Sonia Sotomayor (RACIST/SEXIST)

How does it feel leftist, to have a real racist nominated to the SCOTUS?

Miguel Estrada
Sen Dick Durbin

Question Authority…

wow, looks like the forum has been infected again. Scum

BTW: Mr. Hetero, you can marry your carpet for all I give a krap. It’s none of my business, which is something you should probably start trying to understand.

Truth, and NotsotruthfulSooth: Nice try. Keep tossing dung against the wall. Eventually, something will stick.

Truth

Nature abhors a vacuum. At present, the court is SO disproportionally Right leaning that some balance is required. Ergo Sotomayor.

If nature abhors a vacuum why is most of the universe a vacuum?

RB,

How do you know nature isn’t ‘correcting’ the problem as we speak? Because you can’t ’see’ it?

If it will make you feel better, the context in which I was using the term ‘Mother Nature’ was relative to our experience here on earth. Never having been, actually, to Alpha Centauri, I can’t speak of situations there.

RedBob, You are asking a guy who barely understands why a the light goes off in the refrigerator when he closes the door, a question about interstellar physics?

Wasting your time…

Good contribution D&C. Typical toxic BS that belongs on Yahoo Buzz or whatever other ‘conservative’ blog.