Well, the government has spoken, so don’t we have to believe them now?
NOT!!

Jed Clampett

Did you see this weekend?
Fireworks went up in flames but it wasn’t the big Kahuna… thank Goodness.

MICKEY mouse had a bit of a train wreck; which, while it’s a tragedy, gives me the opportunity to ask, why aren’t those maglev trains ubiquitous as forms of public transpo?

Joe says he misunderestimated the ‘ECONOMY’… perhaps it was his friend’s greed he misunderestimated… or, it was going according to plan. Flush’im J, flush’im. They spinnin man, they spinnin.

Heavy clouds but still no significant rain over the longhorns… perhaps if they shut down the nuke plant in waxahoochie for a few days the waters wouldn’t be so agitated.

The peace tsunami is still flowing, and the wiggers are keeping the dragon too busy to join the dear uncle’s party.

Hondurans are screaming foul at the old bird that gave permission for the military takeover, and if they keep it calm and peaceful the way Mr. King, Master Ghandi and Grandpa Moses taught us, perhaps the blue wave will beat out the burning flames of darkness.

Peace all. Got to figure out how my keys got all scratched up. Actually, I know, I could smell the smoker’s essence in my home when he and his ‘cousin’ dropped by. A non smoker can tell these things… it also helps that I bathed them in infrared and UV… smile and be candid or drop to a third level.

Peace all, see you after the break.

Jed Clampett

BTW – when is a Window more like a door?
When it was made by MIC.KEY.soft and instead of hardened security they sell you a worthless piece of junk with unhardened security and secret doors all over the place. But a good spider says to the fly… come into my web, you won’t even notice when I have your call back number and logged when you were trying to install your ‘body of lies’. Even seen your spook hanging around in his rented Nissan. Is that government sanctioned, I wonder, or a rogue operation… like spying on someone’s wife previous to divorce proceedings.
I’m switching to the happy feet, at least they are free, wanna know how to do it? drop me a line.

Could go FeeBIe, but frankly, I’d rather deal with my science than entertain War Horses that are mere Show Ponies working for BOSS HOGG.

Truce or dare? Personally, I prefer truce, then again I know the real danger is from the pie in the sky.
Digg?

The greater shame than this now baseless and hopeful speculation was the entire trooper-firing investigation. Reminds me of The Wire’s Clay Davis’s acquittal, for different reasons but same injustice, despite the firing being well within her ability, she did it for the most personal, fickle and unethical reasons possible.

A better parallel is actually when Fox News was acquitted for censoring and then lying about the dangers of hormone additives in a brand of milk (I believe it was Monsanto or another GM company who in an obvious conflict-of-interest had provided advertising revenue), turns out there is no law against falsifying news reports. Just like in the trooper incident, there was no law against firing an state’s employee for personal umbrage inccured.

Also she’s a total moron. I don’t care that she’s conservative (Joe Biden’s awful colonial suggestion to partion Iraq into three countries along sectarian lines just exemplified his sheer ignorance of any historical record; because redrawing another nation’s borders has ALWAYS worked out fantastically, see the entire Middle-East, Ireland, India & Pakistan, Rwanda, hell any post-colonial nation or region. It actually makes me want to throttle him due to the overwhelming opposition of reality to his delusions), but there are primary school students with more intelligence than her. She seems to be perpetually reading a script, barely cognisant of its contents apart from the most generic cliche and rhetoric. Oh, she’s a thinker that one, just like Bush and Regan.

It Can Now Be Told:

A ‘confidant,’ according to WSJ, has revealed that Ms Palin resigned because she could not do what she wanted (WSJ’s terms) because of state investigations and public record scrutiny.

Drat those cursed investigations and requests.

No matter your personal opinions of Bill and Hillary Clinton, you have to give them credit: THEY didn’t quit. (Cut ‘n Run?)

Methinks along the lines of Midman; whence next we espy Ms Palin, it will likely be as a talking head. Oh boy, a feminine Limbaugh? Ick.

Darn that liberal media for making up stories about her teenage daughter having a child out of wedlock, and then dumping the father.

Dang that liberal media for inventing the story that she wanted her sister’s (ex?) husband fired for divorcing her.

Spat on that liberal media for taking her exact words and putting them in print.

If it wasn’t for that dadgum liberal media, we might be able to continually believe in the “Legend of Palin”. Now, thanks to that liberal media, we actually know a thing or two about her.

Turns out, those things we learned about her weren’t pretty.

Darn Liberal Media…….

That 24/7 Liberal Media must be to blame for the lambasting that those ever-patriotic Republicans have been taking.

SP and the Mickey Mouse Club can go drive a garbage truck thru a two-way donut for all I care. I stopped navigating by that compass long ago. When I look thru the dflat banjo string web I see myself doing the backstroke a la Alice Keith.

Methinks the liberal media is screwing with my precious. The former Governess of Alaska looks much better in strappy heels tham MichyO. Rolling in my big black car, smokin a green cigar, waiting for a presydent with smooth taste and less tar.

Why is it Republicans don’t know the first thing about a republic and where the state derives it’s power and authority from?
I’t like ‘peace officers’ full of hate who blow so much excrement out their piehole one wonders how they survive so welled up with anger and disdain for the public. These will be the ones called upon to oppress their countrymen, and will do so willingly because they are easily manipulated. Unfortunately, they don’t run on all cylinders.
Hey, thanks for the water, seemed a bit heavy, I should learn not to let others handle my food or drink, but lesson learned.
That which doesn’t kill you… Mess with a Tauran, something about horns. (thanks nick cage)

Liberals:
The more you hate, the more Republicans become mobilized against your venom. She becomes an afterthought the minute you stop spewing hate her direction. I guess some people hate for the sake of hating… as long as you know you’re no better than a common racist.

CCO: We all learned from the best hate-spewing political party in the country: Republicans.

Me, I hate parasites, etymologically speaking. Fleas, ticks, chiggers and skeeters. I don’t think I’ve ever hated a human being, much less ‘discussed’ the matter. Til now.

Is that something public affairs instructors are meting out in classrooms now?

CCoh!: You mean like Peter King, New York representative? You mean that kind of hate? Don’t, for once, even begin to act as though the liberals are the ones ’spreading hate’.

Conservatives are the ones who were in charge of lynching, renditioning, oppressing, suppressing, and incarcerating anybody of any color other than white.

And, if you ask me, Palin deserves all the cynical saracastic remarks she gets. Her attitude ASKS for it. But, no matter. That dummy is gone for good. No talk show. Her speaking appearances will end quickly. The book deal will not have a sequel. And, the other shoes are probably about to drop regarding her and her family’s problem(s)…….Just a guess here..

Coach– While what King said was strident and in bad taste at the moment, he wasnt that far off the mark…the frenzy in the media surrounding Jacko’s death is a bit overwraught and sickening, considering the same people were reading to hoist him up the mast at the time of his last trial, not to mention much more pressing issues that the media could spend it’s time on. The man was a talent artist, but a disturbed person of incredibly questionable personal actions. But he was nothing more, nothing less. And dont kid yourself, libs have been matching cons in the hate department for years…i guess all the hating on bush (whether deserved, or not) for 8 years doesnt count, right?

I would also caution you to rethink your broad, and unwarrented, statements about conservatives. Those acts are acts of ignorant people, and ignorance has monopolies on both ends of spectrum. Dont forget or sweep under the rug the millions upon millions killed in the name of leftist ideologies and leftist police states in the previous century alone, let alone today. Given the opportunity, the dark side of humanity will use whatever moniker to suit its aims. While not conservative myself, it, as a philosophy, has its uses and most of its practitioners are not bigots, lunatics and the like. And the exact same can be said of Liberalism with equal aplomb.

As a public official, Palin has to live with the criticisms, whether fair, unfair; real, or imagined. But criticising personally, as opposed to her policies (which have MANY faults) is a bit much, and seems to sink the old canard of liberal tolerance, dont you think?

You white folks sure think you got it all figured out going on about liberal this and conservative that. Let me tell you something, us ‘people of color’ think you all are crazy with your little name calling game. Where I’m from we have real sh#t happening in the neighborhood every damn day. Now some fool comes along to tell me that its because of all those conservatives or because of all those liberals, I’m just not having that bullcrap. You all better think about that before you send some more white dudes to tell all us jigaboos the way it is and the way its got to be. We put one of our own in the White House and before long there’s going to be a whole lot more to roll right over this stupid liberal conservative thing. Take my advice, better start talking about some issues that really matter in this country or your going to lose it.

Hate by one group is not justified, or excused, by hate by another group. If you believe that Republicans are initialing this general ‘hate’ that doesn’t change the fact that you are contributing to it. So the question is: do you renounce hate based on principal, or do you renounce hate when it’s convenient to do so, justifing it some circumstances for external reasons? Because the latter reasoning was employed by a another group I know you despise: American slaveholders.

And no, DD, they don’t teach that in college classrooms… that comes from just being thoughtful. Your problem is not that you haven’t studied political science, it’s that you’re not thoughtful to the paratext of any political issue. That, and despite what you may think, you’re a partisan, not a philosopher.

The point is that, if Sarah Palin, is ignored, she fades into oblivian. The more you hate her, the longer she remains relevant. The other point is that you, given a choice, you chose to hate.

Wouldn’t it be the DOJ Public Corruption Division looking into this, not the FBI?

You do your instructors proud, kid. Mouthed platitudes that say nothing but reflect, gloriously, upon the utterer.

Please indicate some place where I have demonstrated ‘hate’ for Ms Palin. Save that, please indicate some place where I have demonstrated disrespect for the lady.

Was it not you who, less than a year ago, referred to Ms Clinton as a ‘bitch?’ That remark would seem to indicate some pretty strong feelings on your part.

As for me, Ms Palin was an attractive addition to an unstimulating election campaign, nothing more, nothing less. Her appearance introduced an element of comic opera but I felt more sympathy for her, her running mate and the GOP than anything.

I wish her great success in her next venture.

Dirty D & Coach,

Checking in on you guys every two or three weeks is like checking into a soap opera. The dialog is slightly different but the story line is the same. Nothing changes.

Coach your`re obsessed, with your usual rant about conservatives being responsible for all the evils ever perpetrated since Cane killed Able. Yawn! Yawn!

DD, with all the problems we got, TD is devoting how many blogs to Palin?
For a person you people think is a complete nobody, you libs can`t stop talking about her.

Palin Derange Syndrome. Go get help soon.

Dirty D

“I wish her great success in her next venture.”

Spoken like a gentleman. Which is more than I can say about 99% percent of your fellow libs on this subject.

Question, what if her next venture is running for President?

PC,

I, like Ole in another thread, lament that we’re not addressing more topical matters. Robert Macnamara passes: nada. Protests in China and Iran: nada. The health bill is being debated: nada. U.S. troops begin withdrawal (sortta) in Iraq: nada. U.S. continues to bomb weddings and funerals: nada. Sotamayor, CIA, G8 … nada.

As for Palin being Prez, I expect to be cosmic dust before that happens BUT, recall I wished her success. If she’s successful AS Prez (not just being elected) then whom am I to complain? (’Success’ in such an endeavor might have some flexibility of definition, but I leave that to you and others to sort out.)

Yessir, the McNamara thing to me was very telling… particularly when he speaks of how close it was to nuclear warfare on several occassions, now transfer that to today and the mini sung il making noises and shooting off missiles trying to provoke armed conflict… not to mention mercenaries loose in our own streets doing the MIC’s bidding and working against their own compatriots and you have a recipie for armaggeddon… I had a mercenary; like the mystic sting says, a spade, a weapon of war; tell me he longs for the days when he can strap on a shotgun and get on a motorcycle to go out and enjoy mayhem and destruction. Perhaps he can go do that in the pie in the sky for perpetuity… I prefer paradise and passion to violence and hate… then again, I follow the ultimate programming language rather than the machine’s idle chatter.

Bubba et.al, let’s stop the hate.
let me ask you this. have you seen Sarah in her stars and stipes bikini? Now picture Hilery in that same outfit. case closed. Please stop the hate. please

The same FBI that allows gang stalkers to openly and notoriously stalk, harass, poison and irradiate people is not doing an investigation?

The FBI only exists to go after harmless, nonviolent and poorly connected people.

“Hey”, said the FBI agent, “lets go follow the Grateful Dead around
and bust some dangerous acid eating hippies for drugs. Then we can pretend we are doing our job. Plus I love those grilled cheese sandwiches.”.

Bubba? Hating? Must be a different Bubba than the one posting herein.

Merk, nothing you said changed my mind or made me rethink my stance about conservatism. PC, yes, there is ‘hate’ on both sides of the aisle. But, the degrees of which are completely different. Like I said, liberals are not responsible for lynching, renditioning, oppressing, suppressing, and incarcerating anybody of any color other than white. Yes, liberals have shown violence in certain instances in the past. But, has a liberal killed a president? Has a liberal been found to have an executive assassination squad?
Hate will exist forever. It’s innate. However, the degrees of which, and the attacks will differ completely.

Think about it for a second: The word ‘liberal’, to a huge segment of society, is equated to being gay.
Conservative, to a huge segment of society, is considered white racist.

Do you think this is MY FAULT??????

Coach– For the record, a conservative has never killed a prez either, at least not in this country…though leftists have offed quite a few, conservatives as well. As for Liberals and assassin squads, look into the Pathet Lao, the Viet Cong, The MPLA, the Peoples Liberation Army of China, classical liberal executioners during the French Revolution, The Tonton Macoutes, the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, The Shining Path…the left is hardly bereft of those willing to kill for its ideals.

Liberals do not persecute non whites, which in and of itself, is a boldface lie. Liberals happily went along with colonialism, leftists in the Soviet Union happily subjugated Mongolians, Buryats, Tuvinians, and a whole heap of other “brown” peoples. Leftists annexed Tibet by force. Leftists backed all sorts of institutional racism in Great Britain, against Indians, Caribbean peoples, etc, etc. Liberals cooked up affirmative action. And leftists around the world of all colors have subjugated one another; the mess in Angola, Namibia, the Congo, Rwanda, Mozambique stand as heady attests to the fact. Not to mention the times that liberals have been silent in the fact of atrocity. So history kind of pokes all sorts of holes in the spotless, ivory tower of Liberal innocence. The down and dirty is that Liberals and Leftists are more than willing to get their hands dirty if need be. So before you start baselessly throwing out pap about how Liberals are blameless, remember that history offers a quick correction of such fallacies…outside of the enlightenment, Liberalism has had few shining, blameless moments either.

The point being, power is as power does. Is there really that much of a difference between a Stalin, a Hitler, a Pinochet or a Mobutu Sese Seko? Those who are that hungry for power will use any facade, and dont have much of an agenda other than a machiavellian one of control. Those who wish to control, and do harm for others, will do so under any banner or moniker. Besides, read anything by Burke, Montesquieu, or Mill. Conservatism has its valid points and ideals, if believed in moderation. And there is not point broadly painting a whole spectrum of people with allegations that arent true, while glossing over the failings and evils of one’s own ideology.

Comparing liberals in other countries to liberals in this country isn’t going to work Merk. There IS a huge difference in ideology(campaign contributions) between the two political parties.
IN THIS COUNTRY:
Lincoln (freed the slaves, liberal republican)
Kennedy
Kennedy

King
Lennon

Give me a murdered republican other than Lincoln (only because parties were different back then). And don’t cite Wallace and Reagan. They lived, proving liberals can’t kill….jk

Coach– I tend to think that the “ideological” differences between the parties are quite slight. Both have their views of how to run the world and attain and maintain grips on power, all at the expense of the people. Its elitists and neo-aristocrats on both sides. Look at the big campaign donors, its all the same megacorps contributing to both, so they get a favorable outcome either way. When you’ve got the money, the letter of whomever you control means little, dont you think? Its just that the little charade gets played out at every election, people voting for one side of the same corrupt, inept coin.

As for your argument, a liberal is a liberal is a liberal. Many in liberal circles, in this country as well, hold Che Guevara or Mao in high regards, regardless of their brutality and violent ways. You could plant Obama and his policies down in any Western European, Center-Soc.ialist state, and no one would be wiser…so the differences may not be as large as you would assume. On one level you are right; libs in this country are not too violent themselves, but they are more than willing to gloss over, ignore, or excuse away atrocities done in their names elsewhere.

I wouldnt say that those figures were murdered by conservatives. Chapman was mentally ill, Sirhan Sirhan was a radical, left-leaning Palestinian hoping to drum up PLO support, and the whole mess surroundig JFK is too clouded to concluded who was behind what, for what aims. And King was offed by a ex-con, skid row racist, which doesnt exactly peg one as conservative either.

So again, I dont know how you can draw the conclusion that only conservatives off people. Disturbed people and people with agendas, but your basic, run-o-the-mill conservative is as equally likely to frown upon such acts as anyone.

Merk,

I agree with you to a point, but you go to extremes to validate your point. It’s all a matter of terminology, as you and Coach both know.

Hitler was a conservative? Well, in a manner of speaking.

Stalin was a liberal? If you consider he was the opposite of Hitler, then I guess so.

Toss the terms. There are most of us on the Left who are sensible humans. There are most on the Right who are our counter parts. There are fringe elements on both sides.

If you go too far in either direction, you wind up with a totalitarian police state. What does THAT mean? It’s what’s in between that counts.

As for assassins, I think you could clearly say John Wilkes Booth was a radical Right. The irony lies in that he slew the best thing the party of the Right every offered.

Clearly you can make a case that every presidential assassin was a wacko. But when it comes to the Kennedys, there’s a bit of evidence that suggests there were ‘forces’ behind the sacrificial lambs offered up for public consumption. Sirhan may have been what you said he was, but he also had a LOT of help. Same with Oswald. THAT is the difference.

Dennis– I agree wholeheartedly. My main point is that any banner or ideology can be perverted and used to kill, maim, and subjugate; thus it is a folly to say that only one group is capable of such things, while another isnt. Any one group is prone to violence to achieve aims, unfortunately. As long as humans are around, we are going to find some way to harm one another…unfortunately, it seems to be the predilection of the species. But I also think if you put a bunch of run-o-the-mill Libs and Cons together, there would probably be much more common ground than people realize and giver credit for.

As for Sirhan and Oswald, maybe they had help, maybe they didnt. Of the two, Sirhan is the easier to categorize his motivations into a nice neat little box. But I am totally open to the fact that there is much more to the killings, espescially JFK’s…but I dont think we’ll honestly ever know who actually shot what, and when, and for what aims. Thinking too deeply on it may inspire Neitzsche-ian thoughts, remembering that when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back…

I try NOT to gaze into the abyss. There comes a time in everyone’s life when we have no choice. I’d just as soon do it another day.

Perhaps ideology is a circle. Go far enough one way and you arrive back at the same point. It would appear that if you start in the ‘middle’ and head either way, you are getting farther and farther away from each other’s position, but sooner or later you wind up in the same place.

And ne’er the twain shall meet?

There are a lot of opinions about liberals and conservatives. Life has taught me that we should not hang labels on any groups of people. When we do the label game,we go into a never ending segway without facing the one real problem in our country. Our problem is very simple: TOTAL GREED,WITHOUT A SOCIAL CONSCIENCE.
We can spend our time thinking and debating the past and in the meantime no attention is paid to all the scams in the stockmarket and the basic control the alumni from Goldman Sachs have in our country’s finances and therefore in all of our pockets. Wake up, push for market reulations that will protect everybodj

there’s always a choice, like GS had a choice to act to help the world rather than greedily enslave it, now they deserve to pay in the same way they attempted to do the rest of us… make them work, hard work… sewers in india need cleaning, perhaps the leaders of healthcare that deny services to the needy can help the slum dwellers regain their health.