God I’m going to love listening to the Democrats explain this energy bill, if it passes, to all the Un-Employed people who are paying $8.00 a gallon for gas..
It’s going to be just like Jimmy Carter all over again.

Random Facts:

Arctic sea ice growth finished the year in 2008 at the same level as 1979.

The oceans have been cooling since 2003.

Sea ice is growing at the fastest pace on record.

Greenland’s glaciers are stabilizing.

There are growing fears of a coming freeze worse than the ice age.

Alaskan Sea Glaciers are advancing for the first time in 250 years.

And, for the second straight year the Earth is, in fact, cooling… not warming.

Hey, all you libs, stop breathing you’re warming the planet.

Never have so few stolen so much from so many to achieve so little.

Much like Barack Obama’s leadership skills, GLOBAL WARMING DOES NOT EXIST.

It’s another bill with few people bothering to read it. After all it had a last minute 300 page amendment attached to it. Tim’s link sums up the core of the 1,500 page bill in a paragraph so I have to wonder what the other pages of the bill have to say. It’s so big that’s it is not online yet for us to read which goes against the Democrat’s election call for freedom of information.

From energycommerce.house.gov:
“To day the House has passed the most important energy and environment bill in our nation’s history,” said Chairman Markey. “Scientists say that global warming is a dangerous man-made problem. Today we are saying clean energy will be the American-made solution. This legislation will create jobs by the millions, save money by the billions and unleash investment in clean energy by the trillions.”

But the bill has put a cap on passing the cost onto the consumer at less than 50 cents a day per household by 2020. Now why would companies invest trillions of dollars like Markey says when no company is allowed to get their money back for decades or even centuries?

The bill also talks about protecting tropical forests. Obama refuses to act in Iran because he feels that each country should be allowed to do its own thing and then the Democrats might go to war (blood to protect sap?) with a South American country because somebody in that country cut down a tree too many. Hey it’s part of that climate bill that may need more attention now before it becomes law.

The bill also goes after a specific air “pollution” but some of the ways it looks like in the bill is to create ground pollution. Wind farms for starters take up large tracks of land. They are seen by people like Dem. Sen. Ted Kennedy as blight so they won’t be put near large population centers. That means they will be put in rural areas and maybe wildlife areas. Solar farms also take up large tracks of land and they too would get so large as to impact wildlife. Another thing about solar panels is they have to be washed with something like water or the dust on the panels will render the panels ineffective. Of course the best place to put solar panels to get maximum energy is in areas that experience frequent droughts and have little water in the immediate area.

Democrats are against hydroelectricity as dams prevents some species of fish from spawning. The amount of hydroelectric dams in the U.S. is actually decreasing.

Democrats are also against nuclear power when its in their backyard. Just ask Sen. Reid about that.

I have suspicions on this bill and suspicions of the Democrats trying to ram this bill through even though they control the House, the Senate and the presidency. That just screams that they have something major to hide.

Jed Clampett

‘House Republican leader John Boehner called the measure “the biggest job-killing bill that has ever been on the floor of the House of Representatives.”‘ I wonder why he is calling himself bill? Isn’t it him and his followers on the floor that crashed the economy by deregulating the markets and setting the crabs loose to feast on the publics value and values?

‘Representative Joe Barton, the senior Republican on the energy panel, said the measure would set unrealistic targets for cutting carbon pollution. “You would have to reduce emissions in the United States to the level that we had in 1910,” Barton said.’

As usual, these old cronies are living in the past… funny thing, it was about 1910 that Tesla made his communications tower in Long Island which would have provided communications, information and intelligence without need for wires. Perhaps these guys are so intent on going to heaven and sending the rest of us there because they are not of this world?

Small world, I didn’t know John Boehner pushed the banks into making risky loans and allowing the govt through Fannie (where his boyfriend works, which is ironic if you think about it) and Freddie to buy the loans and sell them throughout the financial system.

Have you heard of ACORN, Franklin Raines, and Jim Johnson? Perhaps Chris Dodd?

Not forcing banks into making risky loans and putting the entire financial system at risk equals deregulation, Who knew?

Correction:

Barney Frank’s boyfriend works at Fannie or is that in Fannie?

“Under my plan of a cap and trade system electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET. Businesses would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that cost onto consumers.”

-Barack Obama, Jan. 17, 2008, San Francisco Chronicle

Not reported by the State Run Media, only the evil Fake News Channel brought it to national attention a couple of days before the election, although considering Obama’s supporters, it wouldn’t have made a difference anyway.

Jed.
The American Revolution was a form of ” DEREGULATION “.
As far as what Caused this financial Crises,,
Well, I think that the Federal Government did kind of step in a demand that banks have a “QUOTA” of minority home mortgages..
You know, based upon the color of a person’s skin or sex and not based upon their credit worthiness.
Might want to look some of the REGULATING the ole Bill Clinton did.

Mind you, I’m not saying that there was not any corporate greed and extreme profit taking, because there was and always will be when the Government Dictates with Extreme Ignorance.

Folks,, Not Everyone Needs to be a Home Owner.
Not everyone deserves a Job.
It’s not your Human Right to Health Insurance and the GUBMENT don’t owe you a food allowance.

This Cap and Trade thing is going to come back and bight the people who supported it.
Just as NAFTA is bighting us all right now.

I’m telling you folks, Remember these words “Welcome Back Carter”
I lived through it and it ain’t hard to see that We’re all about to live through it again!

My god, if you listen to these reactionary pukes on here, we’re all going to die! Why is it some people think the world is going to come to an end just because we’re spending money, but those same people DON”T think the world is going to come to an end because of climate change, which is being SPED up by man?

FIND SOMETHING REAL TO GRIPE ABOUT, YOU’RE ALL STARTING TO SOUND LIKE THE ‘WACKY LIBERALS’ THAT YOU TOLD TO BE QUIET FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS.

Also, let us all know when Obama decides to:
1. let an attack happen on our soil in order to jumpstart an agenda to invade Iraq.
2. lie about a sovereign nation and attack, invade, and occupy through politics.
3. strip habeus corpus
4. torture
5. create the LARGEST SINGLE GOVERNMENT BEAURACRACY ON THE PLANET in Homeland Security.
6. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Yesterday, the United States almost won the Confederation Cup against Brazil.

Now that this energy bill has passed, America will attempt to become energy independent like Brazil.

Bubba, it’s becoming increasingly obvious, although not unexpected, that Republicans can fight their ‘global threat’ of terrorism, but Democrats aren’t allowed to fight their ‘global threat’ of climate change by lessening the emissions from the burning of fossil fuels…….

As expected the republicans are complaining about money. Even though they raised the national debt more than any administration in the history of our country. Even though they wasted a budget surplus and left with a trillion dollar defecit. Even though…….even though……even though……

Hey “you were warned”: Your quote is a bit off. He said ‘wouldn’t’. You conveniently left out the ‘n’t’. Otherwise, the sentence doesn’t even make sense. But, nitpicking in order to self-fulfill your hatred for Obama isn’t something you’re really concerned about.

Coach, the budget surplus was a myth. Clinton ran a deficit every year and the only two reason why the budget was getting smaller was companies were cooking their books to drive the stock prices up (that’s how the CEOs were making their money) while the U.S. was buying and selling stocks (including a lot of scam companies) involved in the information age. Enron, among others, got their jollies during the Clinton administration. The schemes fell apart in 1998 resulting in a recession in the last two years of office and included a huge stock market crash.

Also the U.S. involvent in Iraq and Afghanistan will be over with within the next 10 years or less (with Iraq probably lasting 2 more years or less). This cap and trade will cost trillion more than the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and last past 2050. Also it’s not all cap and trade. For one the government will have the responsibility of protecting rain forests all over the world and by any means. There are something like 1,800-1,900 pages to the bill by the representatives and while Obama had no trouble extenting the HDTV due date by a few months, they are all rush rush over this climate bill. This bill isn’t even online for people to read even though the Democrats promised to put the bills online before the votes. Why? Because the Democrats have lots to hide.

Coach– You’re working on the assumption that Dems A)WANT to decrease fossil fuels, and B) that they will be able to. Neither of which may be possible, or make much of a difference in light of 3rd World, Periphery country developments.

The problem is, even the straw man of terrorism has some bodies and bloodshed to give it creedence. Climate change, if it even exists, doesnt. As of right now, its all projections and hypotheses, with the requisite lack of evidence being quite alarming, such as the plateauing of temps since the 90s, the lack of heat blooms in the upper atmosphere, the utter lack of any systematic melting of ice (which seems to expand and contract, in different areas, at different rates), plus the scare tactics of yore which fell through (The Ice Age of the 70s, Fluorocarbons, the Ozone Hole, etc) tend to make one skeptical about the Dems plans.

As for Repubs complaining about money, good. Even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in awhile. Yes, the Repubs spent stupidly and way too much. But that doesnt give the Dems free reign to QUADRUPLE in 100 days what was spent in 8 years. The sheer economic feasibility alone seems to make at least half of Obama’s plans unattainable. At some point, the bill has to be paid, and no one wants to talk about how its going to be done without massive taxes, cutting spending/programs, or restructuring the GDP to account for it.

So, yes, by all means, one ought to be complaining about money. Its something we have precious little of, and we can only borrow so much before our debts are recalled…

Coach how many people died on 9/11 because of global warming/climate change?

You make the case perfectly, Dems prefer to spend money on Hollywood centric issues like faux global warming rather than actual terrorists threats to the US.

You also need to add one line to your bottom paragraph about raising the debt levels; “Except for the Obama Administration|”

Greg,

We share that information amongst ourselves, we just don’t let non-Dems see it. Sortta like the corn-holing you guys did for eight years.

By the way, how does it feel?

Wild Thingie,

Your track record on predictions hasn’t been too hot the last year or so; I hope your trend continues.

Coach,

Correction, the Obama Adm has blown past all other Administrations Republican and Democratic combined, since George Washington when it comes to deficit spending and the projected increase in the debt. And it`s only been six months.

I will agree with you that Bush was too much of a big time spender and deficit increaser. He was no fiscal conservative. But the amount of money that Obama and the Dems have spent and want to spend is insane. It can not be sustained.

Also, at what point does the state of the country belong to Obama and the Dems? You guys control everything. It`s getting real old blaming everything on Bush and the Reps.

You own it now.

Bubba.

“My god, if you listen to these reactionary pukes on here, we’re all going to die!”

Hey Bubba, newsflash! We are all going to die, puke.

Nobody lives for ever, but pure energy? now that is eternal.

Merk, you need to stop bringing up 3rd world emissions. If we’re the leader, then we need to act like the leader and innovator.

We all know that ‘those other countries’ aren’t doing anything about emissions. So, why does that mean we shouldn’t do anything?

Greg, as always, you throw out ‘probablies’, and ‘mights’, webbed in a mishmash of numbers.

Sooth: Read your history books. Ice ages are deal breakers. They, not only kill a few thousand people, they wipe out civilizations. Short-sighted, as always……….not surprised.

Crasher? Well, as evidenced by the Superfund, it takes a while to clean up somebody’s mess. The mess left behind might be the largest pile of dung ever recieved by a newly inaugurated president.

It still amazes me how many people can actually try to defend Bush. My question is WHY? WHY is it so hard for those people to admit his huge shortcomings? Yet, they can call Obama a failure in his first 6 months??

Coach– How can I not bring them up? China recently eclipsed us as the top emissions producer, and India is not far behind, not to mention all of the other countries that are rapidly industrializing. Not that we shouldnt do anything, but you have to weigh cost benefit versus effectiveness. If one really wants to find a solution to emissions, one HAS to think globally, or else we can reduce all we want, and still be a fart in a tornado. If emissions are a global problem, then doesnt it need a global solution? And being a “leader” on the issue doesnt matter a hill of beans. China has been pillaging its natural resources in order to keep up economic production, and India doesnt have the money nor the infrastructure, nevermind the massive corruption, to implement any sort meaningful emissions reduction…and the story is the same all over the 3rd World. What good is it for us to reduce, without compelling other nations to do so? As if the polluters are just going to stay on current polluting levels, instead increasing them?

You misunderstand me; its not that we shouldnt do anything, its just that there are far more prudent things we could be doing (and Cap and trade, which is nothing but a disguised corporate scame, aint one). But to solely focus on the US, and not the major polluters of the world, seems a bit shortsighted and ridiculous, no? Realistically, in order to combat emissions, one has to look at a long hard fight and be realistic about what needs to be done, a solution that is global in scope.

Merk, my feeling is that once the US does it, everybody else will. There are plenty of other countries, industrialized even, that are much, much greener than we are, yet here we are debating whether or not we should do something on our own considering that China and India aren’t.

My point is this: If Germany doesn’t care, why should we? Their solar farm program is YEARS ahead of us. Why didn’t they wait for ChinaUSIndia triumverant of burners?

Coach– Why should the world wait for the US? If the Europeans are so far ahead of us, why havent other countries decided to follow the Euro model? Europe, in many ways, has more sway in the t 3rd World than the US, as many of those nations used to be European colonies, spheres of interest, etc. Yes Germany is ahead on green power, but they have been at it longer, and thanks to the European Union, have a unique client base that the US wouldnt necessarily have.

You’re also presupposing that nations will want, or will be able, to follow us. The majority of polluting nations wont because they either dont have the money, infrastructure, or other necessary components to implement.

I’m all for reducing emissions, but if they’re such a global problem, then one has to think globally about solving it, and that means looking beyond the US as the big polluter.

Jed Clampett

Since the US is firmly joined with China in destroying the environment, it will have to be the rest of the world that drags the US into the future and away from the proud hogs at the petroleum trough.
Even though they have the technology, knowledge and ability to provide us with cheap energy, they refuse to release it to humanity, opting instead for supressing, obfuscating and ignoring it, seeking miniaturized nuclear instead.
Crazy, criminal, insane, uncaring.

I would have accepted the new legislation as valid if they allowed the people who can make electricity at home to sell it back to the grid at twice the rate sold to the public, including the Gas recovery charge? What the hell is that anyway? Another way to milk the holy cows?

Are you serious Coach? The logic and reasoning behind passage of the global warming bill is to prevent the next ice age?

Merky: “but they have been at it much longer…” re: Germany’s solar industry.

BS bro. And, you should know that. We have been exporting solar panels for 35 years. Germany just recently overtook us.

Regardless, if you’re willing to put off the US’s reaction to climate change because it’s a global problem, fine. But that’s not how you feel/felt about terrorism. Terrorism is a global problem, but you think WE should fight it even though other countries aren’t fighting.

Jed Clampett

When I was a kid, one of my most wondrous moments was watching the lunar landing.
I thought it would be great to come to the (E)States and participate in the race to the future.
I figured we could Terra Form the moon and make it a source of life, and therefore food. Re-establish Mars as a living planet once again.

Upon arriving on these shores, I discovered it wasn’t the prosperous and intellectual place we had imagined or been told about when Amuhrricah decided the Soc.ialist system that had brought us intelligence and compa$$ion needed to be destroyed, along with the undesirable poor people.

I became dis.ill.usioned with the Space Agency when I realized just how little they shared of their technology with the population and how the search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence was actually a subterfuge for ignoring the Extra Terrestrial Intelligence already here. I realized that instead of strengthening the cornucopia this planet gives us, it was being destroyed.

When I look at the systems employed by NASA on it’s spacecraft today, I realize the Agency is just another tool being used against the pup.ulation, another way to bilk the ‘holy cow’s out of their value and Earth’s value.
I learn much from those systems I explore, so do they. We are merely pawns in a thoughtless game perpetrated by those who don’t even care about their own planet, much less their family or species.

Even more sad is watching how the public allows the external influence of satellites to mire their thoughts and stupefy, desensitize, de-harmonize. The ‘author.ities’ pa$$ss it off as ‘illness’ and push some pills at us.
What a sham!!

Peace, ‘cause it’s more ben.e.ficial than war to the majority.

Coach– Germany, as well as several other Euro countries, began flirting with Solar technologies in 70s, around the time of the first fuel crisis. Why do you think we were exporting solar panels? We let the Germans tinker and experiment for around 20 years, using the combined funds of first the European Economic Community, the the EU. So BS on you, the Europeans have about a 20 year head start, and have invested more money in than we have. Not that we can replicate, or better, what they’ve accomplished, but it will take calmer economic times to do so.

The climate change/terrorism connection is only relevant inasmuch as they’ve become wedge issues for political gain as opposed to actual policy points. Where they diverge is evidence. Climate change “may” exist, depending on who you talk to. You cant deny that terrorism exists, there are more than enought bodies and bloodshed worldwide to prove it. A statistic can be interpreted many different ways, a bomb killing innocent civilians is another matter.

But I dont think much is served by the US wasting time and funds gallavanting around the world playin global policeman. If one was smart, one would re-evaluate our role in the world, and work at combating the true causes of terrorism. In any case, the solution to terrorism has to be fixed at the root, from within. Gunboat diplomacy can only do so much, if anything at all.

How one can still be skeptical over climate change is beyond me. It’s almost like denying terrorism exists.

Climate change is constant. The rate of which is the concern. Terrorism exists. The rate of the threat is the concern. Neither one of these issues will EVER disappear.

Nobody’s denying terrorism, but why would people deny climate change. The evidence, if needed, lies in the amount of ice ages.

So, the question remains: Why is it okay to fight one of those issues (terrorism), but not the other?

Coach– I should have clarified; I agree that climate change exists, but I dont think its the great Extinction Level Event that the screamers on the left make it out to be. Man might be helping climate change in some small way, but I dont think its a man caused phenomenon, or that everyone is all going to die. I also find the hubris in the fact that man is both the cause of, and solution to, any problem with the climate. There may be nothing we can do about it.

So, yes climate change is a “threat,” but unlike terrorism, it is of low level importance. Not to say that one shouldnt reduce emissions and whatnot, but to equate hypothetical threats to real world situations, where blood is being spilt, is a bit ridiculous, no? In terms of actual issues, terrorism remains the the more pressing, corporeal threat, that has real world solutions. Climate change is hypothetical solutions to hypothetical problems that may/may not be harmful, reversable, etc. People deny climate change because the data doesnt support the claims.

The world is what it is; I merely find focusing on actual, attainable goals to be more prudent than wigging out over “projections” of what the weather will be in 100 years.

Next breaking News:

Waxman Markey/Dies in Senate.

Right after the same occurs with “Obamacare.”

I wonder if there’s a line on this in Vegas…

Merkel, in agreeing with what you’re saying, are you comfortable with the way America has been fighting terrorism? I would find it hard to believe you could defend the current course with all the geopolitical ‘hands’ in the cookie jar, not to mention the influence of the MIC.

I guess, if there was a way we could INCLUDE the MIC in the fight against excessive emissions, this would be a non-issue…….

Read Matt Taibbi’s article about Goldman Sachs and cap and trade. All you global warming believers have been had..Too bad it means more money being taken from all of us to give to the bankers.
Thanks Al…And thanks to all of your naive followers.

Jed Clampett

Hey Genious, we already know the cap and trade scheme is a sham imposed by the industrial behemoths, we will have to drag them kicking and screaming into the new millenium or simply stop purchasing their poisons. No buy, no profit, no profit, no smoke.
Get the important part of the equation?

Genious?

First, learn to spell.
Second, read the article.
Third, learn a little about science.

You’ve been had.

You all can talk back and forth all day long.

In the end our elected officials(Royal family includeding both house and senate), because that’s who they think they are could Care less about you, me, or anyone else outside their group.

The elite club which includes a handfull of media folks conduct provate meetings where the REAL decisions are made.

This whole Cap and trade scam is of epic proportion. Al Gore(D), nanacy Palosi (D), Shleby (R) are just a few of these crooks that have purchased large amounts of Carbon swaps already banking on the passage of this stupid bill. On the slight chance this legislation passes each one of them stands to profit at least $1B

How many individuals in the inner circle made massive profits from the was on Iraq? I’m sure it’s an extensive list for sure.

My overall point is,

If the federal govt is pushing something there is always a hand full of their inner circle that will get extremely wealthy in the process.

Dem Rep – doesn’t matter their friends get rich and we the people get less of a voice and bare the burden while our elected royalty blow smoke, act like they care, hold phony hearing……and in the end, IT ALL STAYS THE SAME!!

Gag, we’ve been had? So, those ice ages were a mirage? The gulf stream is an illusion?

Stick your mouth around a tailpipe for a few minutes, then tell me carbon emissions are a fraud.

Gosh, I better rethink my whole life. I’ve been ‘had’. Kinda like ‘weapons of mass confunkshun’? er, magic mushroom cloud? er, er, er.

Climate change is not a wedge issue. It’s a fluid, easily understandable phenomenon. How much we’re speeding up the inevitable ice age is the question.

Dear Bubba

Every gas-based automobile produces a number of different by-products, of which there are typically three major pollutants or dangerous gases identified. These are:

- Carbon monoxide (Co)
- Hydrocarbons (Hc)
- Oxides of Nitrogen (Nox)

Carbon Monoxide is not CO2.
Simple science.

As for junk science…

Now we’re talking ice age?
The computer models all of global warming is based on never showed a cooling period. In fact, the models have been wrong for over ten straight years.

CO2 has increased and temperatures have stayed the same or gone down.

I can’t believe just how ignorant or ill informed most of you are.

Amazing.

The scientists study the data and reach conclusions. Politicians and pooh-bahs spin the results.

If you got to wikipedia and enter “climate change,” you’ll get a discussion of the whole business. Go to “Human Influence” and you’ll see that the scientific community pretty much agrees that ‘…human activity is the probable cause for rapid change in world climate for the past several decades.’

Politicians on the Left spin things one way and politicians on the Right spin it another. The scientific community is giving their best estimation of the situation but they can’t predict the outcome.

It’s CLIMATE CHANGE, genius, and that can mean warming in some places and cooling in others. This orbiting stone we’re on is FAR too complex an organism to simplify matters into easy buzzwords for the semi-literate to understand: like ‘global warming,’ ‘ice age’ and ‘carbon emissions.’

These same scientists do a pretty good job in predicting the weather. I, for one, tend to believe them; only a fool would ignore them.

Which politicians do and do NOT ‘profit’ from this information is scarcely the issue. Nancy Pelosi does NOT represent me, she represents San Francisco. If the residents of the city by the bay see fit to elect her, it’s none of my business. Nor is it yours.

Having said that, I feel compelled to express to MY representatives my displeasure with the possibility ANY elected official is in the business of profiting from legislation. I encourage you to do the same and refrain from adding to the politicization of a serious issue.

Pltn you are right on the money!! Our so-called representatives represent merely themselves and their own self-interest, not those of the people who elect them. It doesn’t matter if they are a Democrat or Republican, their goal is to help themselves at our expense.

Jed Clampett

here’s a little ’science’ for you.

Even Einstein believed in the eather, but then suddenly, it was burned right out of literature just as in the inquisition.
Take a good look at the Giza pyramids and where they point to with that little window, then point your instruments there.
See something different? Strange? uncommon? Time to cap it and ground it till we can learn to use it to drop that scarab.

Peace

Coach– For the most part, no, I do not find the way we’ve handled the war on terror to be particularly conducive to actually combating terrorism, at least in a total sense. Terrorists have merely been forced back to the status quo of about a decade ago, back to hitting softer targets closer to their home bases and territories. They havent really gone anywhere, they’ve merely changed tactics.

Ultimately, combating terrorism has to be done from within the countries that afflict it. What drives these people? More often than not, our Middle East policy (which has not changed much since the 60s) is hopelessly outdated and is often one of, but not the main, root cause of terrorism. In order to truly combat it, you have to cut out its base, which means more political freedoms across the regions, more self-determination for local peoples, better infrastructure, and in general, better income disparity. A Palestinian homeland would help as well, with Jerusalem declared a free-zone, international city, ala Trieste or Gdansk once upon a time…but there has to be serious compromise from all sides, and no one seems willing to do so.

so, one wonders… what is it about this Eather that is so threatening that the boss hoggs would want to go in and ‘burn all the books’ because of it?

Breaking news on climate control: Pickens pulls out. Billionare T Bone Pickens dumps his wind farm generation plan in Texas that he wanted to do. Now here is a billionare that wanted to do this, could afford to do this and in the end bailed on the program.

So much for that “trillions of dollars in investments” at least for now.

because eather has the power to heal, moralize, energize, enliven, grow and intoxicate with a benevolent power that should make the trolls squirm in fear and the wicked recognize that fire and fear and hate is all that awaits them. In short… Earthshine!!