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6/14/09, 11:31 pm EST

Will you be wearing green tomorrow?


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Anonymous | 6/15/2009, 12:07 am EST

Jed Clampett

Iranian people’s next move should be to make the streets into a desert. Stay at home for a week, and at 7 and 7 pm every day go outside and OOHHHHMM for about 19 minutes as gently and firmly as possible. If they don’t listen to the people, they will lose it all, including the economy and their power.

Who does this ‘Great Leader’ lead?
Why does he place himself above Allah, the blue flame?
Why is his cult of personality (his image) plastered all over the place?
What God does he serve?
God money?
God Violence?
God selfishness?

The God that was expelled from heaven and casts it’s suffering over the Earth?

Our move should be to support them with kind words and expressions of solidarity, not drop bombs on the innocent.
Yes, I will wear green. And we should walk the streets in a sea of green in support of not only them, but president Obama and all the other peace makers out who wish to help the tsunami of peace.

Merkwurdigliebe | 6/15/2009, 10:34 am EST

I dont know about the “ohm”-ing or a peace tsunami, but the Mullahs had better watch themselves; they managed to benefit from the first wave of the Revolution, and could easily be on the recieving end of another one. People forget, or often dont know, that the 1979 Revolution was rooted in, and based, off of the disenfranchisement of nearly the entire Iranian populace. Marxists, liberals, modernists, and fundamental Islamists all battled for ideological supremecy; and the Mullahs managed to capture and consolidate power. However, it goes to show that there are a myriad of views and thoughts circling in Iran that would benefit much from western media exposure, and that Iran is far from the scowling, bearded Ayatollah Khomeini stereotype we too often place over it.

As for the Iranians; protest, protest, protest. Take to the streets, boycott, demand a recall, what have you. Ever since the collapse of Khatami’s reform movement (which many Iranian secular progressives, urban voters, the youth, and religious reformists are still reeling from), more and more of a clampdown has been enacted. Any fight for freedom has to come from within Iran, from its people. May it be as peaceful as possible, but every once in a while, force is needed to get up and stand up for one’s rights. Godspeed, people of Iran.

PartyCrasher | 6/15/2009, 11:17 am EST

Is anyone actually surprised by these results? Did you really think that Mahmoud Ahmadi’nutjob’ and the mullahs behind him were going to just give up power?

I`m for peaceful resistance if it can work. But how did that work out for the Chinese?

You can wear your green shirts, light candles, sing songs and do all the silly things that make liberals feel good. Because that`s what it`s all about. It`s what makes you feel good, not what actually gets results.

What can we do short of “dropping bombs on the innocent”?

For one and this should have been done during the Bush Adm, less you think I`m just being partisan. Bush really dropped the ball on Iran.
We need to seriously support a Democratic Govt in exile and give it all the tools it needs to strengthen the dissident movement inside of Iran.
The young people especially are sick of the angry old leadership there. They are ripe for toppling.
It would help if they knew the US was really behind them.
It doesn`t help when they see our president kissing up to likes of Chavez in Venezuela. Who is doing the same thing, closing down opposition media, stealing elections, throwing student protesters in jail or worse, there.

If peaceful means cannot do the job, then we must be willing to support the people in their own armed struggle against these tyrants.

Or maybe Obama should go over and sweet talk them. He could wear a green t-shirt.

Anonymous | 6/15/2009, 11:55 am EST

Jed Clampett

“I dont know about the “ohm”-ing or a peace tsunami” The power of Ohm is the power to re-tune the body’s circuits to the frequency of the Earth and vice versa, to give the water the power for that tsunami, particularly within.

“the 1979 Revolution was rooted in, and based, off of the disenfranchisement of nearly the entire Iranian populace.”
And te disruptive influence of the CIA embarking on a mission to destabilize a government they feared would be a risk to the oligarch’s exploitation of resources through corrupt officials. Much the same as is happening here now.

“Marxists, liberals, modernists, and fundamental Islamists all battled for ideological supremecy;”
(to Jeopardy host) YES Alex, I’ll take inflammatory key words for 2000.

“As for the Iranians; protest, protest, protest. Take to the streets, boycott, demand a recall, what have you.” Yes, send them out to the streets and expose them to the batons and water cannons, destabilize the country and spread the hate. What a marroon.

“more and more of a clampdown has been enacted” You mean like when Bush denied the people an expression of their disgust by penning them up like cattle in “protest zones”

“Any fight for freedom has to come from within Iran, from its people. ” yes, any STRUGGLE for freedom has to come from within. specifically from within individuals, to free themselves from slavery to an exploiter, most of all the dark side.

“but every once in a while, force is needed to get up and stand up for one’s rights.” No, it is not. We’ve been shown time and again the power of peaceful resistance to effect meaningful change. Moses, Jeshua, Ghandy, Mandela, MLK, Zuma… etc etc ad infinitum.

“Godspeed, people of Iran.”
Agreed, power of EarthShine to the people of the Persian empire.

Anonymous | 6/15/2009, 12:08 pm EST

Jed Clampett

“I dont know about the “ohm”-ing or a peace tsunami” The power of Ohm is the power to re-tune the body’s circuits to the frequency of the Earth and viseversa, to give the water the power for that tsunami, particularly within.

“the 1979 Revolution was rooted in, and based, off of the disenfranchisement of nearly the entire Iranian populace.”
And the disruptive influence of the CIA embarking on a mission to destabilize a government they feared would be a risk to the oligarch’s ex.ploi.tation of resources through co.rrupt officials. Much the same as is happening here now.

“Marxists, liberals, modernists, and fundamental Islamists all battled for ideological supremecy;”
(to Jeopardy host) YES Alex, I’ll take inflammatory key words for 2000.

“As for the Iranians; protest, protest, protest. Take to the streets, boycott, demand a recall, what have you.” Yes, send them out to the streets and expose them to the batons and water cannons, destabilize the country and spread the hate. Quite illogical

“more and more of a clampdown has been enacted” You mean like when Bush denied the people a free ex.pres.sion of their disgust by penning them up like cattle in “protest zones” and removing people with off.ens.ive t-shirts from GOP rallies?

“Any fight for freedom has to come from within Iran, from its people. ” yes, any STRUGGLE for freedom has to come from within. specifically from within individuals, to free themselves from slavery to an ex.ploi.ter, most of all the dark side.

“but every once in a while, force is needed to get up and stand up for one’s rights.” No, it is not. We’ve been shown time and again the power of peaceful resist.ance to effect meaningful change. Moses, Jeshua, Ghandy, Mandela, MLK, Zuma… etc etc ad in.fin.itum.

“Godspeed, people of Iran.”
Agreed, power of EarthShine to the people of the Persia.

Anonymous | 6/15/2009, 12:34 pm EST

Jed Clampett

“I dont know about the “ohm”-ing or a peace tsunami” The power of Ohm is the power to re-tune the body’s circuits to the frequency of the Earth and viseversa, to give the water the power for that tsunami, particularly within.

“the 1979 Revolution was rooted in, and based, off of the disenfranchi|se.men|t of nearly the entire Iranian populace.”
Not to mention the dis.rup.tive influence of the CorporateInfluenceAgency em.bark.ing on a mi$$ion to destabilize a government they feared would be a risk to the oligarch’s ex.ploi.tation of resources through co.rrupt officials. Much the same as is happening here now.

“Marxists, liberals, modernists, and fundamental Islamists all battled for ideological supremecy;”
(to Jeopardy host) YES Alex, I’ll take political in.flam.matory rhetoric key words for 2000.

“As for the Iranians; protest, protest, protest. Take to the streets, boycott, demand a recall, what have you.” Yes, send them out to the streets and ex.pose them to the batons and water cannons, destabilize the country and spread the hate. Quite illogical.

“more and more of a clampdown has been enacted” You mean like when Bush denied the people a free ex.pres.sion of their disgust by penning them up like cattle in “protest zones” and removing people with off.ens.ive t-shirts from GOP rallies?

“Any fight for freedom has to come from within Iran, from its people. ” yes, any STRUGGLE for freedom has to come from within. specifically from within individuals, to free themselves from slavery to an ex.ploi.ter, most of all the dark side.

“but every once in a while, force is needed to get up and stand up for one’s rights.” No, it is not. We’ve been shown time and again the power of peaceful resist.ance to effect meaningful change. Moses, Jeshua, Ghandy, Mandela, MLK, Zuma… etc etc ad in.fin.itum.

“Godspeed, people of Iran.”
Agreed, power of EarthShine to the people of the Persia.

Merkwurdigliebe | 6/15/2009, 1:58 pm EST

Jed- Again, whatever works for you, so be it. As a more, shall we say, grounded being, realistic solutions work just fine.

What I spoke about the Iranian Revolution was not inflammatory rhetoric, it is the truth. As a “scholar”, one would think that you would know what the constituent components that comprised the 79 Revolution, how it was a broadly supported, but chaotic, upsurge against the Shah. The CIA certainly had a hand in the 56 overthrow of Mossadegh, but was more or less in a watch-and-see by 79 (after all, their trainees, SAVAK, were the main spook job by then). Needless to say, it didnt fall their way.

And yes, I say send them to the streets. Peaceful demonstration works only against people who let it work, where there is a public opinion to be respected. The Mullahs care more about power than people, and the sooner the Iranians revolt, and take their country back, the better. Remember, for every peaceful revolt, there are many others, through armed resistance, that were just as successful; Tito’s Partisans, the intial Cuban revolution, the Croatian War for Independence, The US War of Independence, Algeria, Simon Bolivar, the Prague Spring, Hungary 1956, The Troubles…in all cases, armed revolt brought a bigger exclamation point to the problems being adressed. Each situation is different; but I dont forsee a peaceful end in Iran unless the Mullahs relent. Hopefully I’m mistaken, but the history of the region is contrary.

Bush, to my knowledge, did not actively do what you accuse. Local police perhaps, but simply being put into a specified place does not reduce a protest (no one was told that they couldnt protest peacefully, or that they had to shut up, they simply couldnt be hounding people in front of the arena, nor blocking the flow of traffic); would have preferred rioting ala 1968, with violence galore? Illogical thinking yourself sir. And if one causes a disturbance at a rally, they can be removed. Rallies are not the time nor place for civil discourse, if you call disruptive actions discourse. The same can be said of anyone/anything who rudely interrupts another parties activities, left or right. And to compare anything Bush did as compared to the Iranian regime is ridiculous hyperbole, and does disservice to your argument. Comparing Bush, though inept and quick to bend Constitutionality, comes NOWHERE close to the Iranian regime, in terms of brutality, opression, and the like.

But the main focus here is on Iran, and I actively await and the support the Iranian people in their struggle against oppression and support their sovereign expression. Any support, be it monetary, political, communications, support for a Govt in Exile, lets allow the Iranian people to follow through on the promises of their Revolution.

Or | 6/15/2009, 4:18 pm EST

Dear Jed,

RE: You mean like when Bush denied the people a free ex.pres.sion of their disgust by penning them up like cattle in “protest zones” and removing people with off.ens.ive t-shirts from GOP rallies?

Or like Obama did when he spoke at Notre Dame and every other campaign stop to promote so called stimulus packages and socialized medicine.

Anonymous | 6/15/2009, 5:49 pm EST

Jed Clampett

That’s a good boy, good puppy.

See the ball, look, look, go get it boy.

SLAM!!!

CCo | 6/15/2009, 6:20 pm EST

What a joke.

Coach | 6/15/2009, 6:29 pm EST

Merk, maybe some perspective is in order.

You said, “Comparing Bush, though inept and quick to bend Constitutionality, comes NOWHERE close to the Iranian regime, in terms of brutality, opression, and the like.”

But, in actuality, it does compare. Culturally speaking. We’re America, we’re not supposed to twist the constitution, and semantically deep-fry it in order to justify and enforce an agenda. Yet, that’s what he did. Add to that, the unilateral, pre-emptive attack and invasion, and I think the comparison is relevant.

Iran’s culture is much different than ours. So, culturally speaking, is Iran’s leadership doing anything WAY OUT OF THE NORM? Because, way out of the norm, is exactly what the Bush administration did.

Sure, the brutality and oppression are worse in Iran than here. The question is how far from the norm are these actions by Iran compared to Bush.

Delta Wild Man | 6/15/2009, 7:21 pm EST

What we see happening in Iran could be a prediction of what might happen in America if Government does not start doing what Government is suppose to do.
As a Conservative,, What Part of Bush’s Growing the Government do you think I liked??
Not a Damn Bit of it, AND I don’t think I’m in the minority on this.
Americans are tired of bailing out failed businesses and failed government programs..
And America is just a few percentage points away from doing exactly what the Iranian people are doing now.
We were told to expect change..
Well??
We we as Americans have to resort to the same tactics that are being used in Iran to bring about the type of CHANGE Americans are demanding?
They have talked the talk,, for over 30 years, but not one damn one of them has Walked the Walk after their election..
It’s time for a CHANGE here in America!!

SoothSayer | 6/15/2009, 7:41 pm EST

Coach, nice try to rationalize the Iran situation. But then again you would backup Letterman about his crude remarks about Gov. Palin’s 14 yr old daughter.

Merkwurdigliebe | 6/15/2009, 8:25 pm EST

Coach– C’mon, that is, at best, a stretch. Bush may not have been the best Prez (nor was he the worst, which goes to Pierce, Buchanan, or perhaps Andrew Johnson), and most of whatever he did was suspect, what else has one come to expect? Bush is/was the embodyment of a political system that hasnt seen a good leader since the days of Truman, if one is being generous. That said, for regular people, the Bush years were more or less no different, despite the spin from both sides. But to equate the worst of what Bush “did”, such as waterboarding, to shooting one’s own populace in the streets, stoning women for adultery, and the like as “cultural” differences, is grasping for straws.

I have to ask, not to be irate, but do you know Iranian culture? That it is, by and large the most secular in the Middle East? That is was one of the most “open,” albeit repressive, societies prior to the 79 Revolution? That large swaths of the society are dissatisfied with the way the Revolution turned out, who believe it failed on its initial promises? That over 2/3 of the populace are under 30, technology savvy, individualistic and nationalist people, who desire democracy, political accountability, and a desire for their voice to be heard? Thus, is their culture really that different from ours? You bet your ass that Iran clamping down on its citizenry is “way out of the norm.” The Mullahs have clung to power by stifling the Iranians with brute force whilst they deliver failed promise after failed promise, bankrupting Iran, first by fighting with Iraq for control over the Shatt Al-Arab and territorial supremecy in 1980s, to their subsequent bankrupting of the national economy in the 90s, to muzzling reform under Khatami and supporting terrorist organizations now. Iran used to be a leading light in culture, the sciences, arts in the ME. The culture that produced the Magi, Omar Khayyam, and Cyrus the Great, has fallen by the wayside, to much dismay. THAT was the norm, and many, many people are not pleased with their country being reduced to a bearded, scowling stereotype every time one turns on the news. That is the feeling one gets when you ask those in exile, or read the testimonies of the numerous bloggers and students.

Bush was voted out of office, albeit, Obama is not much of a change. But it didnt take another revolution to do it, as it might in Iran. And culturally, despite what you’ve been lead to believe, we’re not so different. People basically want their freedoms; freedom to speak out, to demand accountability from leaders, to have their will enforced at the polls. In this reguard they are no different; the want for democracy as a means of political expression, the want for a semblence of human rights, the want for personal freedom, is universal in this reguard.

Dancing With Mullahs | 6/15/2009, 9:00 pm EST

The real question is not will WE be wearing green but, what color will the HNIC be wearing? Bush, for all of his bufoonery, would not have thought twice about standing with the people of Iran. Barry O is way too sophisticated, of course, to lower himself to the level of such simple-minded expressions of solidarity and fist pumping freedom loving. Behind the scenes somebody from the State Department is scrambling to figure out which bunch of ragheads to send fruit baskets to.

D&C | 6/15/2009, 9:18 pm EST

If this wasn’t so serious it would be hilarious at how much egg the Dems have on their face over Iran.

How many years have we listened to the attacks on Bush regarding the honest and peaceful Iranian people. How ludicrous is was to have them on the Axis of Evil? How they should be allowed to have nuclear power plant because they are trying to improve their situation despite American oppression. To disregard Amanutjob’s comments about the holocaust being a hoax and Israel’s right to exist. They are a progressive and humane country and we are warmonger’s to be concerned about their threatening rants.

How does the coffee smell today?

Or | 6/15/2009, 9:39 pm EST

Jed, once again at a loss for words. It’s hard to formulate an argument, especially considering the hypocrisy that I just pointed out. Maybe the Earth will get you out or off, as you have been known to say.

Good liberal, good leftist.

Run, go get that healthcare paid for by someone else and rationed by another.

Anonymous | 6/16/2009, 4:46 am EST

Jed Clampett

The ‘Supreme Leader’, nothing more than a Shaitan in disguise, will now go the way of NettanYAHOO, and mysteriously switch opinion from a vulture (hawk if you prefer) to black dove(fake peace with unmeetable preconditions).
They will avoid the spectacle of more shootings or risk the ‘Black Guard’ turning on it’s masters.

I wish we could do them like Pinocchio, when they tell a lie, something shows so obvious that it’s like the nose on their face getting longer so everyone can see.

The Iranian people are showing you what a brave people do when an election is stolen from them, not like Americans after Gore and Kerry. Sit back, watch and learn folks. The Persian people understand they may be shot, in fact, they expect the devil to act just like that, with violence and fear at being deposed of their ability to exploit the populace. The oligarchy played it’s hand as it is doing here and it’s falling apart. When do we do the same to those who stole $700 billion from us and used it to consolidate power and bankrupt our nation?
Oh, what a great sight to see.

“There’s something happening here
but what it is ain’t exaclty clear…

Hush children, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down

What a field day for the heat
a thousand people in the streets,
singing songs and carrying signs,
some say hooray for our side
think it’s time we stop
hey, what’s that sound
everybody look what’s going down…”

Shall we talk again about the power of OHM, or Bach or Beethoven or whatever you prefer to silence the internal Chatter? Sometimes the subtlest thing can be amplified into a powerful thing by our homeworld.

PartyCrasher | 6/16/2009, 5:43 am EST

Coach,

Always the apologist for totalitarian regimes as long as they are anti American.

And your racist comments about the Iranian culture.
Let`s see if I can sum it up.
‘What can you expect from them, they`re all a bunch of barbarians. So what if they lie, cheat, stone women to death, deny the Holocaust and advocate another one. You got to put it in context.
Besides, Bush is worse.

PartyCrasher | 6/16/2009, 5:57 am EST

Jed,

You`re a piece of work.
Quoting Crosby, Stills and Nash lyrics.
Like what`s going on now in Iran is anything like the 60`s anti war, drop acid, smoke pot, get naked and roll in the mud together, cultural revolution.

Don`t insult people who are risking their lives for freedom by comparing their struggle to your hedonistic glory days.

All though I will say, it did produce some great music.

Anonymous | 6/16/2009, 10:55 am EST

Jed Clampett

Dear PoisonedComputer, please realize I don’t read your post much beyond the first acrimonious words, to do so would be to give resonance to a dead drum. You have become a ghost, a mere shell of a human and in the hands of that which wishes to harm us; so it’s better to ignore you than be a victim of your poison. We hope to help you, but we can’t do it from the exterior, it must start with an internal effort. Struggle now to make you computer your own again. You’ve allowed your symbiote to take all your power and if you don’t get life force back in you, you will not survive when it separates from you.

In terms you might understand, you are full of METAL, MAN; remove the chip from the back of your head, and free your mind.

I know you don’t understand my code talk but your inner child does. Push away all the hurt and shame the past has heaped upon you, walk through the wall of water with honesty and strength of purpose to help cleanse you, it’s the only way.
If you don’t understand, ask yourself why? Why do YOU not understand my ‘code talk’? Is it because you are not Navajo, or Comanche, Aztec or Maya, Zulu or Mongol, Inca or Mapuche? Perhaps it’s because you are no longer the human you once were.

Greg_D | 6/16/2009, 11:42 am EST

The Democrats have been historically bad at foreign policy, from being clueless during WWI and WWII to getting into Vietnam, to the Bay of Pigs to even the Iranian hostage crises.

Obama already has the reputation of speaking with a forked tongue and likes to pump and dump projects and people. Any involvement by Obama in Iran would be another Bay of Pigs.

Iran is also friends with Russia and China so Obama can forget about going through the U.N.

If something were to be really done by the U.S., it would have to be done by another Reagan or either Bush who were blunt, ment what they said and were willing to go it alone. Obama doesn’t have that ability or reputation to help the people of Iran.

PartyCrasher | 6/16/2009, 1:01 pm EST

Jed,

On a newer post, “Reza Asla” about Iran`s stolen election, an Iranian named Za post a plea for help for her brother and sisters, in their struggle.

I will copy his/her comment and your pitiful reply for all of us to meditate on, below:

za | 6/16/2009, 1:50 am EST

dear friends in all over the world help your brothers and sisters in iran

Jed Clampett 6/16/2009,

“Our hearts and the water of our tears are with you ZA, awaken your brothers and sisters to the power of of peace, resistance without recrimination. Realize they have been struck with the illness and the healing power of the true Supreme Leader is behind you, she has you back!! :)

Jed ( Dead in the Head ),

I`m glad she has his/her back because you sure don`t.
People are giving their blood and you offer your heart and the water of your tears.
Wow that will pay the rent.

What an embarrassment that you might be thought of as representing all Americans.

This a golden opportunity for the Obama Adm to help free a people and at the same time rid the world of a cancer.
We should be putting our full unwavering support behind the dissidents, set up a Govt in exile as chosen by the Iranian people and if all else fails, help set up an insurgency with money and yes arms.
This regime is ripe for toppling. It has been for years. Bush dropped the ball. We don`t have to bomb anyone. The Iranian people especially the young, will do the heavy lifting.
The key is not to just get a reformist in as president. The Mullahs who are the real power and their Revolutionary Guard have to be taken down. Or else it will be just more of the same.

I hope Obama rises to the occasion. I fear, that like you, he will just offer a drowning man, a bottle of water instead of a life jacket.

Jed you like to quote CS&N lyrics. Well here`s one of my favorites;

By Warren Zevon: “Send lawyers, guns and money”.

Tho,I`d probably eliminate the lawyers they would just get in the way and probably side with dictators.

Anonymous | 6/16/2009, 1:11 pm EST

Jed Clampett

You know, this is one of their favorite dissembling tactics…

put the blame on a thing. The D party, the Government, the Economy, the religious. In the end, they are merely attempting to distract us from the truth, it is a relatively small group of people that control everything by virtue of their ill conceived wealth.

Recently, they were shown just how empty of real value that ‘wealth’ was, but rather than change their ways, they decided to accelerate the crash of the world’s financial system and take the American people’s value from them and convert it to personal ‘empty wealth’.
It is people that caused all of this, people that forgot who their family was, decided to put all the eggs in their own basket, continually count their chickens before they hatch and have forgotten or just simply ignored the golden rule. People that fund wars and famines eitehr directly or indirectly.

Recognize that Smedley Buttler was a true patriot who recognized what was happening to his nation and who was doing it.
President DD Eisenhower warned us also at the end of his presidency with the words… “We face a hostile ideology global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose and insidious in method…we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex… Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
WWII never ended, it was merely driven underground and it’s main actors allowed to spread their hateful ways all over the globe. Criminals escaped to poor countries with their ama$$ed wealth and subjugated the populace there. The Swiss banks that made the pilfering of Europe possible still today help pilfer even our own nation. The companies that ran experiments on prisoners allowed to continue to today pushing pills on the infirm and tinkering with the basic code of life; the founders of the war, the appeasers in America that fought to help Hitler spread his hatred through inaction and feigned indifference were allowed to keep their wealth and positions of power within government. In China, the true patriots were driven off to a tiny island while bloody haters of everything were allowed to take control. Japanese scientists that spread disease were rescued and protected from prosecution. Same with German producers of rocketry and killing machines. In Russia, Stalin still enacted his ways of the madmen on his own populace and the world over.
All this time, the back and forth of the ‘cold war’ was kept going by men on both sides who filled their pockets while the world suffered, never being fulfilled or learning the joy of giving, always preventing others from attaining that which their empty hearts could not conceive.
Conflict has been flashed and inflamed by angry spirits intent on suicide all over the world at different times with the same results, impediments to progress, suffering of the populace, money in oligarchs pockets.

It’s time to drive it out and relearn the wisdom of our ancestors, they knew what was coming and wrote on their walls to warn us of the future.

The future is now, take heed and act or you will merely serve to feed the purpose of empty shells.

Or | 6/16/2009, 2:13 pm EST

Jed, (Mr. I don’t read your posts because I disagree and cannot accept a difference of opinion)

It’s funny you mention bailouts, when in FACT it was the democrats that supported it more so than the Republicans, lest we forget, BTW, the current prez voted for the bailouts. Only the most extreme (your word) right wingers opposed the bailouts as well as wasteful stimulus packages.

And Chang Kai Shek was driven off of mainland China by LEFTIST COMMUNISTS, which by judging from your rants and wealth envy, you would support.

Oh, and when are you going to mention the MEDIA/industial complex (see General Electric and now ABC News). But, I understand that doesn’t fit the narrative. BTW, that extreme right winger Ronald Reagan ended the cold war. And would you please stop calling everything you disagree with HATE, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean it is hate.

No need for code words here.

Anonymous | 6/16/2009, 8:15 pm EST

Jed Clampett

Your reality is a meat grinder, I’ll leave you to it to enjoy alone. I’m sure you’ll try to send our children to kill and die for you and your comfort, but slaves that won’t work are useless to you.
The term is Conscientious Objector, a term that means we reject your premise that anything can be solved with war rather than science and conscience of what you do and how you do it.
A regime cannot stand on the people’s shoulders when there are no shoulders to stand on.

Live free or die, it was the motto of the people at Mossada, why, if America has taken it up as a slogan, do they not know what it means?

Or | 6/16/2009, 9:41 pm EST

Jed,

Once again failing to make any attempt at a coherent agrument. Pointing out a few indisputable facts to these leftists and suddenly you can hear crickets.

I also know that war never solved anything except an end to slavery, fascism, nazism, totalitarianism, and colonialism.

Exit Question: Why hasn’t Obama spoken up in support of the Iranian protesters?

Ronald Reagan and the Evil George W. would have already, there is no doubt.

Or | 6/16/2009, 9:45 pm EST

Jed,

I almost forgot, can you PLEASE list some of your unbiased news sources, that you have been known to tout.

Anonymous | 6/17/2009, 11:19 am EST

Jed Clampett

PrettyConfused, sure….

As soon as you can explain to me which part of what I posited about Spartacus I got so wrong.

BTW- Changing the container doesn’t change the smell of a fart or the turd within that produces it.

Anonymous | 6/17/2009, 5:22 pm EST

No green for me.

My one, and only, employee is a pushing thirty Iranian dude. He was pretty sure Mousavi would get the votes…but then, what? Throw out the Ayatollah? Not likely.

Here’s a quote from one of Mousavi’s biggest supporters, another former president of Iran: “Jews shall expect to be once again scattered and wandering around the globe the day when this appendix is extracted from the region and the Muslim world” Here’s the headline, from the Iran Press Service site/source of my cut/paste job.

“RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL”

So wuddawedo? Love ‘em for hating the tiny puppet without a necktie, or hate ‘em for hating jews?

don’t judge by me, though. i rarely wear green on 3/17 and i had a grandfather who was half irish.

PartyCrasher | 6/17/2009, 6:05 pm EST

Jed Claptrap,

Spartacus was a warrior.You’re not. Spartacus and his followers waged an armed struggle for their freedom. You would not fight for anything.
You lack the true spirit of Spartacus.

You are a pacifist. You would sit pacifly by as your neighbor is being attacked and offer only empty words.
What’s worse is you would not even act to protect you and yours

Anonymous | 6/17/2009, 6:08 pm EST

Green$$$$

Anonymous | 6/17/2009, 7:00 pm EST

Jed Clampett

Thoughtless child, you know full well what my source is. The evidence is clear for justice to see and has been entered into the record and downloaded to those who matter.
You may not think there is justice in the universe because you’ve gotten away with your crimes for so long, but I can assure you there is justice YOU can’t perceive.

Return to Earth all that belongs to her and release the slaves or suffer the consequences.
Since it would be foolish to punish machines, that can only be destroyed or shut down, it will be the builders that will pay the price, perhaps a heavier price than that exacted upon the places you’ve visited.

If your logic still works, that means retire now or face loosing more than your are capable of understanding.

Anonymous | 6/17/2009, 7:03 pm EST

Jed Clampett

Thoughtless child, you know full well what my source is. The evidence is clear for justice to see and has been entered into the record and downloaded to those who matter.
You may not think there is justice in the universe because you’ve gotten away with your crimes for so long, but I can a$sure you there is justice YOU can’t perceive.

Return to Earth all that belongs to her and release the slaves or suffer the consequences.
Since it would be foolish to punish machines, that can only be destroyed or shut down, it will be the builders who will pay the price, perhaps a heavier price than that exacted upon the places you’ve visited.

If your logic still works, that means retire now or face loosing more than your are capable of understanding.

Anonymous | 6/18/2009, 1:19 am EST

Jed Clampett

PompousConfidence, then you obviously know nothing about me, which is just the way I like it, and nothing about Spartacus either; go back and watch it, I doubt you’ll understand, but you might pick up some important things you missed. Oh yea, and once again, you completely missed the point. Besides, just because I won’t spill blood for war pigs, doesn’t mean I don’t know how to unleash Thor’s hammer on those that deserve it, I just had to clear my targeting systems.

The power to create implies….

CAn I be creative or what?

Anonymous | 6/18/2009, 12:51 pm EST

Jed Clampett

Thoughtless child shut off her signal

phoned home and got her reply

It’s a lie, full steam ahead

then she cranked up the volume.

I guess they don’t like their world either.

The continuum moves towards the builders home then.

Fatal attractions must be terminated.

PartyCrasher | 6/18/2009, 2:27 pm EST

Jed,
Why don`t you just save me a lot of time and tell me what I missed, Oh Creative One.

PS: Hammer this!!!

DirtyDennis | 6/18/2009, 8:50 pm EST

PC

“I’ll be your huckleberry.”

You missed the boat.

Anonymous | 6/19/2009, 1:00 am EST

Jed Clampett

What a metal head? Give me, show me, where’s the proof I’ve hidden or destroyed? Lost little child gave it all away and didn’t even notice the ghost within.

PretentiousChild, what happened to you to fill you with such bile? What horrendous thing are you being punished for that you should release? Who do you hate so much that you would turn on all around you? Was it a fine Bunny you chased and objectified but couldn’t play the game? Was it a foul man that took advantage of you instead? Where did you go wrong that you let the wolf in your door and the ANTs in your head?

PartyCrasher | 6/21/2009, 6:35 pm EST

Dirty D.

“I’ll be your huckleberry.”

“You missed the boat.”

Tombstone, loved that movie. Probably Val Kilmers best role. At least it`s between that and his Jim Morrison role.

But I`m confused. You and Jed quoting and praising movies whose themes deal with kicking ass and taking names and shoot first and ask questions later.

But in real life you find any such behavior or thinking, adhorbant to your sensibilities, even when the targets are some of the worst despots of humanity.

Oh well! Who says being liberal has to make sense?

PartyCrasher | 6/21/2009, 6:40 pm EST

Jed Dead Head,

Actually I was a real sweet person until I started reading your postings.

Anonymous | 6/21/2009, 8:56 pm EST

Jed Clampett

I truly hope you can give that person a voice rather than the one you have taken of late. Perhaps with real dialog we can achieve some good results rather than locking ourselves up and ignoring the real problems.
Good luck.

Anonymous | 6/22/2009, 10:13 am EST

That’s a little better, but the last word gives away much

Anonymous | 6/24/2009, 11:24 am EST

Jed Clampett

PC, Zed’s Dead, don’t stay locked up in his box.
You have the keys to stop his torture, don’t do to your people what he did to you.
In the end, it will be much worse for you if you haven’t forgiven yourself first.
If you pay close attention, you will realize it wasn’t your fault at all… or theirs.

DupDubnusyday | 7/3/2009, 6:48 am EST

My cousin has an iphone and shes with AT&T they are charging her extra for texting people in Canada.
Is there a way for her to get free texting to Canada?

Twockin | 8/14/2009, 2:37 am EST

Help me find a track

streamedbeamgirl | 8/19/2009, 10:26 am EST

Hi there,

Just wanted and do herewith say hello to all ya here!!!

Please let me know how I can contribute best.

Talk to you later.

jimmydannytolly | 8/20/2009, 6:22 pm EST

How ar You?

Nice weather out there. At least here where I am at.

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Desire leave to me be informed how to proceed.

So wish .. til late then.

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amyfieldadams | 9/14/2009, 10:26 am EST

The new season of survivor this fall is going to be great.

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