I love how the guy’s complaining about how bad it is in prison, as if shooting a guy in a church will land you somewhere nice.

Jed Clampett

Just read the “one man’s God squad” on the previous post. Interesting piece. I wonder if that Newman guy realizes that he’s actually inciting terrorism with the tactics and the inflammatory rhetoric of his followers, which leads to acts that deny others the freedom to pursue their lives in any way they are able as long as it doesn’t deny others liberty, justice or the pursuit of happiness, and remains within the boundaries of the law. And if working at the clinic fulfills a woman’s desire to help women in despair at their situation, is denied justice because the police refuse to prosecute these TERRORISTS for their hateful tactics, and is subsequently denied the freedom to live without the fear of some maniac, incited by the hatred generated by an ‘ex’-defense department employee; isn’t she being denied her basic human rights to not be subjected to tyrants? This guy is taking advantage of those mentally unstable among us who have no sense of what following Jesus is all about, but proclaim his name in supporting the forces of hatred and intolerance on our world? With freedom of speech comes responsibility for the results of that speech. If his inflammatory manner of ‘rallying the troops’ forces those who have been demoralized by the system and are mentally unstable, then he must meet the consequences of his lack of responsibility.
Break out the waterboard team, this guy threatens all our security from within, and we must find out who pushes him to do these acts, who the real TERRORISTS among us are. Unless all that ‘post-911 mentality’ was pure hypocrisy.

keep all options on the table. these terrorists must be stopped.

Now they have TWO reasons to waterboard the guy.

- ticking time bomb, and
- to see if Bill O’Reilly was involved

I just hope people don’t think that every pro-life or Christian thinks/behaves this way. It’s not the case. It’s extremism, plain and simple. Name an issue, and you’ll find extremists.

Jed Clampett

Agreed Jeff, there are many who are willing to try and resolve the issues in a sensible, informed, empathic manner. Unfortunately, extremist on both sides attempt to prevent reasoned debate that leads to valid results.
Unfortunately, they tend to draw us into their game, impeding progress and resolution of our problems.

One key word not mentioned ANYWHERE.

Credible

One unattached person is not a credible threat. This guy is a nutcase and two article on him are two too many!

Right on, Jed.

Hypocrisy usually runs hand-in-hand with extremism, as well. Think about it; killing someone because you don’t like that they are killing someone. Doesn’t make much sense. It also turns the victim into a martyr and the average person will view them sympathetically, thus you lose their support as well.

Jed Clampett

I disagree, he wasn’t a lone nut in a vacuum, he listened to the group he was a member of, as well as the leadership of not only megachurches and politicians but other instigators in the media, and in his mental malady, decided to act violently. Take him at his word that he knows of a plot or risk great peril, like Mussawi who was also ignored. His words are involuntary and a warning for the rest of us.

A “smoking gun”? Perhaps…lone disturbed nut-job? Most likely.

I would hold off any waterboarding until more credible evidence emerges that this guy is A) part of some huge conspiracy/movement/terrorist network to wipe out abortion doctors, B) was not acting alone, and C)is not just another in a long line of troubled people who got ahold of weapons and took it out on somebody.

That said, I shed little tears for this schlub. Anyone who renounces the freedom of another to merely exist long ago forfeited their own natural rights. Regardless of one’s views on abortion or Tiller, the man didnt deserve to be gunned down. Let the rule of law hold court, let the law give Roeder him his punihsment under the legal code

D&C, ‘One unattached person’?

Really? The Unabomer was unattached. This murderer was bragging on blog posts. Join the forum and you’ll see that he’s one of MANY loonies.

Credible? YES. Single, isolated incident? No. The perpetration of the propoganda is a large weapon, used MOSTLY by Fox News.

Coach– There is no evidence, as of yet, that this is anything but some lone nutjob, who talked on blogs with other lone nutjobs. There are tons of wackos out there who will kill to stop abortion, but they dont A)seem to be working in concert, or B) have a clearly defined, well oiled organization that is the defining characteristic of a rebel/terrorist group, from the IRA to Hamas, to the Symbionese Liberation Army

There are also a lot of wackos rambling on the internet denying the Holocaust and White Supremecists, but that doesnt mean that they’re under every rock waiting to strike…

Jed Clampett

Exacly Jeff, that is the intent. to discredit either side and blind the rest of us to the true choices, and therefore realistic solutions. This helps them keep things unstable and them in control.

When my country was trying to oust the dictator, the intelligence apparatus infiltrated the opposition and placed agents there to drive discord. In ‘Battle in Seattle’ you see that the police was doing that very same thing to give them cause to attack the protesters.
They learned well from what was done in Latin America.

I read the previous comments, and in between the forced use of big vocabulary words there are certainly some sane themes. This jerk was an extremist. What he did was so amazingly hypocritical it’s mind-numbing, which is why it’s not worth debating his validity or credibility. Because yes he’s a zealot, and yes there are more morons like him. The one thing I would remind the poster who mentions “extremists on both sides” is that, to my minimal amount of knowledge on this subject, pro-choicers, the one’s who are ok with the termination of life, aren’t killing other peers of their fully-developed human society (i.e. other adults).

Jed Clampett

But doc, you are taking one piece of the discussion, focusing on that particular piece and attempting to define the entire discussion on that piece. It’s equivalent to saying Sotomayor is a racist because of a word in a comment without bothering to read the entire comment, a common practice designed to distract from the real issue.
Yes there are extremists in any issue, they get that way out of frustration. There are also different degrees of extremism and expressions of it as well. When you infect a population with a disease, you can’t expect all of them to respond in the same manner. Not all humans will react to the swine flu the same way because it wasn’t that well engineered.
Intelligent design, ain’t it a beautiful thing?

Now Wait just a minute.
This can’t happen..
With all the new Gun Restrictions that were enacted over the years..
No,, no crazy people are getting guns,, remember that waiting period??
No criminals have guns,, remember it’s against the law for a convicted felon to possess a gun??
There is no Cocaine on the streets,, why??
Because Cocaine is illegal..
Just like guns would be illegal if some of you had your way..
And we all know that if something is illegal,, then Criminals can’t get it,, Right??

Things like this just prove that some of you folks are on a one way ticket to destruction and your demanding that the driver go faster!!

Speaking of Ticking Time Bomb……The first Gitmo Detainee was transferred to the U.S. for trial, and nothing happened. No hijacking, bombing, radical uprising, NOTHING.

Score: Pragmatism – 1, Republicans – 0.

If these guys are the ‘worst of the worst’ as they’re so joyfully labeled by repukelickan congressmen and honks, why is there no evidence to convict?

Republicans need to stop using these detainees as christmas ornaments.

Jed Clampett

They truly don’t understand what ‘worst of the worst’ really means, and even though there is plenty of evidence to convict the really bad ones, they refuse to do so because these guys have a lot of money and are part of the ESTABLISHMENT. RICH=GOOD and POOR=BAD in their book. I guess they don’t care that these are the guys paying a quarter million bucks for kidnapped, drugged, teenage girls.

There is no doubt that any extremist group is dangerous, and those in the pro-life circle are no exception. This guy is a terrorist and should be treated as such and if you want to waterboard him, go ahead, you won’t get any complaints out of me. What he did was wrong whether you agree with abortion or not and now I hope he pays the severest price possible for that.

the day before he killed the doctor he called operation rescue in wichita and asked for the doctor’s home address and church address.

the ex convict felon who answered the phone gave him the information because she “didn’t want to appear rude.”

hopefully these criminals will leave town now they have killed the doctor.

YES! We should waterboard him! Also, we should use sleep deprivation, humilations, electro-shocks to his genitals, etc. Of course, we should do this! Not to get any relaible information from him, just to treat him like a piece of sh!t that he his.

The drawback is that he will feel more like a justified martyr. Just like a certain Jesus Christ that he admires so much. So, this question is really stupid and useless. I know it’s frustrating to take the high road. Yet, there are good reasons to do so.

Jed Clampett

Wow, I was being sarcastic about the waterboarding, but I see that it drew out many little demons in here who would love to punish and degrade and humiliate a brother human regardless of the circu.mstances. I hope you are willing to receive such treatment yourselves, because that is what you ask for when you wish it upon others.
It also proves the point for me that the torture that was put on the detainees under US custody was not intended to extract information, it is no different than the torture placed upon US citizens that are incarcerated and therefore wards of the state, hence, under the CARE of the government which represents the people.
It is merely a test of how much degradation, humiliation and injustice a human will take before going completely insane, before being consumed by fear and hate.
Strange that we even have one wanting to put people to death like Jesus was put to death. Break out the crucifix say the extreme wingnuts and don’t even realize what they are doing to themselves, do they not recognize they ask for the fate of the Roman Empire?
How’s that prison system working for you? Have you figured out yet that punishing people only makes them worse? Maybe if you try a different tact you would reduce crime rates rather than keep feeding the private, for profit, dehumanization system that’s making matters worse. You may even bring a human back from hell… na, you wouldn’t want that, Misery likes company.

So Coach,

There has been only two killings of abortionist since Roe v Wade, that’s over 30 yrs and you and your lib buddies are looking under every rock for a giant conspiracy.

During the same time Islamic fanatics have killed thousands. On the same day as the Tiller shooting, two soldiers in Arkansas were shot, one dead by a home grown muslim convert.

When I suggested a while back that we needed to be concerned about Muslim radical clerics spreading their poison to our prison population and terrorists within our borders, you scoffed at my concerns.

Let’s for the sake of argument say that we are both right and there is an equal danger from both sides. Which ones would be more dangerous? The one that targets abortionist or the one that wants the maximum body count, like shopping malls, mass transit, airlines etc…?

Rolling Stone and the general news media is giving loads of attention to the Tiller killing. As it should. But were’s the equal coverage of the terrorist shooting of the two soldiers. And before you say there is, can you tell me the name of the dead soldier?

Our Commander in Chief gave an immediate statement of outrage over the Tiller shooting but not one word about the shootings of the soldiers.

You guys talk about Tiller like he was a champion of womens’ rights. He was a freakin late term abortionist and made over a $million a year performing them. He wasn’t looking for the cure for breast cancer.

The guy that shot Tiller is a murderer and should treated as such. But don’t expect any tears for Tiller from me, I’ll save mine for the murdered soldier.

For years, we’ve had to hear about the grave threat that Americans might overreact to a terrorist attack committed by 19 Muslims shouting “Allahu akbar” as they flew commercial jets into American skyscrapers. That would be the equivalent of 19 pro-lifers shouting “Abortion kills a beating heart!” as they gunned down thousands of innocent citizens in Wichita, Kan.

Why aren’t liberals rushing to assure us this time that “most pro-lifers are peaceful”?

According to recent polling, a majority of Americans oppose abortion — which is consistent with liberals’ hysterical refusal to allow us to vote on the subject. In a country with approximately 150 million pro-lifers, five abortionists have been killed since Roe v. Wade.

In that same 36 years, more than 49 million babies have been killed by abortionists. Let’s recap that halftime score, sports fans: 49 million to five.

Meanwhile, fewer than 2 million Muslims live in America and, while Muslims are less murderous than abortionists, I’m fairly certain they’ve killed more than five people in the United States in the last 36 years. For some reason, the number “3,000″ keeps popping into my head.

So in a country that is more than 50 percent pro-life — and 80 percent opposed to the late-term abortions of the sort performed by Tiller — only five abortionists have been killed. And in a country that is less than 0.5 percent Muslim, several dozen Muslims have killed thousands of Americans.

But the killing of about one abortionist per decade leads liberals to condemn the entire pro-life movement as “domestic terrorists.” At least liberals have finally found some terrorists they’d like to send to Guantanamo.

Jed Clampett

Is there anybody out there?
Is there any body out there?

Hello!!

Is there any body in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there any one home.

Come on now,
I hear you’re feeling down
I can ease your pain
get you on your feet again

Relax
I need some information
just the basic facts
can you show me where it hurts?

There is no pain
you are receiving
A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon
you are only coming through in waves
your lips move, but I can’t hear what you’re saying
When I was a child I had a fever
My hands felt like two balloons

Now I got that feeling once again
I can’t explain, you WON’T understand
this is not how I am
I have become comfortably numb

Ok
Just a little KingPr.ick
There’ll be no more… aaaaahhhh!!
But you may feel a little sick

Can you stand up?
I do believe it’s working good
That’ll keep you going for the show
Come on it’s time to go.
…
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse
out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
the child is grown, the dream is gone
We have become comfortably numb”

Can you stand up? Are you prepared? Have you been demoralized into catatonia?

Jed Clampett

Occidental Petroleum….

The next to go to court over their crimes of exploitation and terrorism abroad. Wouldn’t it be cheaper for the corporation, beneficial for the planet, and still provide for all the people involved rather than a few TITANS?

How long will we let INDIVIDUALS hide behind legalese and the corporations that they control?

Crashed the Warmonger. Listen man. I’m not sure why you’re accusing me of whatever it is you’re accusing me of.

YOU, yes YOU think terrorists are the major threat. Er, Islamic Radicals. My response to that: I, yes I, think Evangelical Radicals are the biggest threat in the world. They kill hundreds of thousands. I know, I know, their alibi is ‘national security, or self=defense’. Nevertheless, even if I DID agree with your assessment of the threat of Islamic Radicalism, what MORE do you want to do about it? You DO realize that bombing them gives them fuel for fodder, right? That is why I say you can’t spread freedom at the end of a gun, because, inevitably, you’re doing the same thing as the ‘badguy’, only in reverse.

My answer to terrorism, which includes a HUGE HUGE HUGE array of things, is simple: Good police work.

If you want to know what I think the biggest threat to mankind is, well, that one’s easy. Mother Nature. The Climate and resources. Once they go scarce, byebye baby. And, the eternal spewing of greenhouse gases by the powers that be, is only accellerating the inevitable climate change. And, when we’re forced to migrate on a mass level, terrorism is going to look laughable.

You did nothing to change my mind. So, again, I’m not sure why you were referencing me.

Jed Clampett

They use the word ISLAMIC in front of radicalism to be able to include an entire religion in their hatred, as they’ve done with ethnicity. Suits their purpose nicely and the fools and sheeple eat it up.

In 2001, UBL and his gang of criminals… who until a few years previous had been on the CIA payroll… attacked the US and called it the Great Satan. As a good little Radical, the Penguin responded by ‘going into the dark side’, as if he needed prompting to do so. Unfortunately, UBL proved his point in the clearest way possible, as America’s abandonment of it’s stated ideals were tossed aside and the MIC was given a purpose to exist and justify the ‘defense budget’. Even better than expected… or perhaps it was expected… given the attack on Iraq, and subsequent belligerence towards Iran, perfect for Saudi Arabia and Sunnis. All this while conveniently ignoring, and in fact funding, the threat of the military dictator in Pakistan. They are not that dumb folks, this was predetermined and is going according to plan. Even the new president is being a$similated and he hasn’t yet realized what his ‘experts’ and ‘advisers’ are doing.

Now the Taliban has turned their guns on their own progenitor… or have they? They merely attack the general public, and are creating the perfect excuse for another coup against a government incapable of protecting it’s citizens from criminals.

Seems the ‘Radicals among the Muslims’ have also forgotten the tenets of their religion as the ‘Radicals among the Christians’ have. Perhaps they never believed and only used people’s beliefs to secure an initial support. Hmmm!!!

Could it be that having unshakable beliefs is a perfect pathway to radicalism, extremism and blindness to truth?

Coach,
I wasn’t trying to change your mind. That would be a waste of my time. I was just pointing out the your liberal double standard.

Evangelicals are killing thousands in wars? WHAT?

What happened to you? Did you have a bad experience in a church? Did your mother abuse you by forcing you to go to Sunday school? You need to get over it dude.

Oh yeah and global warming. Wait now its climate change. You.know why they made the change? Because the evidence is actually pointing to the earth cooling.
And the Chicken Little Al Gore crowd wants to keep the scam going. So they will keep blaming it on greenhouse gas.

Back in the 70s it was called Global Winter. Go ahead and google it and see how many articles and news magazine covers were devoted to that scam.

Mean while guys like you get hysterical. And players like Gore line their pockets.

I choose not to be a SUCKER.

Tell you what. Give one of those non existing Islamic suicide wack jobs a nuke and you’ll see some real global warming.

With Crazy People like this one and the old white supremist who killed the guy at the Holocaust Museum, I’m happy that there are so many Law Abiding Citizens who own and know how to use hand guns, rifles and shot guns..
Oh,, and for anyone who’s against personal ownership of handguns, rifles and shotguns, I ask you this,,
No Matter what side of the isle your on, Armed Americans keep us all safe from fanatics on either side of the isle.

Crashed. Grow up bro. If you can’t see the correlation between all of the monikers (global winter, global warming, climate change), and understand the premise, then you’re just a sheep to the Rush Limbaugh’s of the world. He cracks his whip, and you follow, spewing the same garbage he does. Climate change is real and HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. Ice ages bro. Ice ages…..Dumbchits like you don’t seem to be able to do the math on that one though.
As far as evangelicals, I guess you haven’t heard about the Iraq war huh?

Give an anti-abortion a nuke and see what happens. See, arsehole, that’s what the deal is. You will NOT put the Tiller Killer in the same group as you put the ‘Islamic Radicals’, even though they’re one in the same. It exposes your racism. As long as you can live with that…..

And, I’m still looking for you to point out MY double standard…….

Coach– To play devils advocate, and even I’m not sure Partyboy is alluding to this, but maybe this will provide some clarification.

Climate change: yes, the climate has changed in the past. The climate may or may not be changing now, but as to whether its an extinction level event, or totally manmade, I, and a whole lot of other people, both scientific and otherwise, are not so sure. But its mighty shiesty when these huge doomsday prophesies are made (ala, the coming global freeze that was ever coming back in the late 70s), and then…they fizzle out, and all those who made gangbusters are on to the next scare tactic. The right did this particularly well with terrorism, the left continues to do it with climate change.

Iraq war: It was not driven by Evangelicals, though they certainly went along with the run-up to the war. Depending upon what political looking glass you’re looking through, the Iraq was started for resources, hegemony, freedom, human rights, and a myriad of other reasons. But Evangelicals neither played a huge part of, nor drove, those reasons. Neo-cons certainly did, but not all Evangelicals are neocons, and vice versa.

Again, not that your’re saying anything thats wrong, but there’s always another side. I think that Partycrasher is trying to make a distinction between radical Muslims, that for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons, want to end our ENTIRE culture/existence, as country, people, what have you. Anti-abortionists, by and large, dont have the same aims, but that doesn’t mean that their ends are not as heinous.

You are absolutely right that they are one in the same, but I think Partycrasher might be trying to a deeper distinction between the two.

Coach,

So global WARMING causes ICE AGES?

Following the NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, Newsweek, Time, New York Times, LA Times, and the Boston Globe’s of the world. They crack their whip, and you follow, spewing the same garbage they do.

Jed Clampett

Just how safe will you feel when the tension level in the unstable people’s head is increased and then you have all the crazy’s shooting off their guns instead of their mouths?

Perhaps something as simple as loosing their favorite drug, analog tv, will be enough to push them over the edge.

Merk, yes, I agree that Crashed is trying to point out a difference between islamic radicalism and any other sort of terrorism. But, nevertheless, I will resort to the endgame here: Even if I agree with you two and intend to do something ‘different’ to quell ‘radicalism’, what is it you suppose we do that’s any different from modern intelligence gathering? Normal, everyday police work stops MORE TERRORIST PLOTS than any kind of attack, invasion, occupation, etc, etc, etc.

If you want to go to war with extremeists, where does it end? Er, why is it only with ‘islamic’ radicals?

Coach– I agree that in most cases, espescially domestically, police work is fine, so long as one is on the lookout. Also, invasions and whatnot are not a particularly viable way to combat terrorism. I feel that if one really wants to combat terrorims, you have to confront it at the root, and realize what causes it. No terrorist act was ever committed without something to spur it.

Other than covert ops, the only real way to confront terrorism is to help change conditions that give rise to it. Too often, the US resorts to a Cold War mindset of playing it safe with dictators in order to keep the status quo, instead of allowing people to express sovereign determination. Its a major area in which many administrations, going back to Johnson, have long gotten failing marks. So, there is much the US could be doing, most of all, simply taking a nonobjective stance on many of its “strategic” assets.

As for combating extremists, I’m all for it. Extremism in most things is usually a bad thing. I merely use radical Islam, because at the moment, they are the big, noticeable extremist threat, and the one with the capacity to do the most damage, particularly in Pakistan, to say the least.

Coach,
The ” Rush Limbaugh Robot ” comments are tedious and redondent but mostly boring.
Maybe I

Coach,
The ” Rush Limbaugh Robot ” comments are tedious and redondent but mostly boring.
Maybe I`ll start using Kieth Oberman references to you.

And why do liberals always use the racism charge against people with different opions?

Why? Because I use the term Radical Islamist. Is it an inaccurate phrase?
Besides, don`t Muslims come in all races and nationalities?
Maybe you`re the racist by stereotyping all Muslims.

And comparing an anti abortion zealot with a nuke, with an Islamic terrorist with a nuke is so nonsensical, it doesn`t deserve a serious reply.
Have you been living in a cave for the last ten years?

Which is where we may all end up living, if your buddy Al Gore gets his way. Which nicely leads me to your climate change points.

Yes Coach, I understand the premise. I just think it`s bogus.

The main point is that man made activity is causing it. Really?
Then tell me, seeing that you brought it up. What man made activity caused the Ice Age?

And why should I trust people who first say the earth is cooling then when that scam can`t be sustained they switch to the global warming hysteria.

And where is your liberal suspicion with big business cozying up to politicians?

If the govt. passes cap and trade and other so called climate initiatives, Al Gore and his company stands to make multi millions of dollars. Is he some how above corruption?

There are plenty of reputable scientist who don`t buy the climate change claims. One is a Nobel Prize winner from MIT.

If Gore is so sure of his claims, why does he refuse to debate anyone about it?
Because he`d get his clock cleaned, thats why.

plato,s writtings about the republic (400 bc),i want to say all this B.S. makes me think how stupid,without the ability to learn from the past humanity goes on blinly as though we just walked out of the cave!!??

PC,

Please name anyone reputable scientist who’s been switching positions on global ‘conditions’ and their cause.

Please tell us what the Nobel winning MIT professor’s field of study might be.

Most scientific accounts I read stat that man’s hydro-carbon emissions, among others, CONTRIBUTE to the problem. If memory serves, they were right about ‘lower’ air pollution and its causes and they were right about water pollution and its causes.

Conservatives scoffed at them and they scoffed at scientists stating tobacco and alcohol were killers. They scoffed about lead in the paint and mercury in the food chain.

Now they scoff at global change. To me, that’s a ringing endorsement.

Jed Clampett

If I may take a stab at it, not that PrettyClueless will even care, or try to understand…

Say the thermostat in your house goes bad, completely on the fritz, the system will either heat up and keep going past where it’s supposed to be set or cool off so hard that you will need an evaporator, compressor and maybe even a new condenser.
The Earth; being a living, self adjusting system, uses the trees as it’s condenser, they use the high energy infrared and ultraviolet spectrum in the process of photosynthesis that will create Oxygen, which freely joins with hydrogens when it reaches the proper altitude to create water. They also act as Earth’s thermostat. This sends the evaporator into overdrive or inaction depending on the circumstances, this results in either too much water vapor in the atmosphere which exsacerbates the problem, or too much precipitation, which does the same in summer or creates massive snowfalls in winter. Too much of either can cause an ice age or drought. Wait till you see what happens when the compressor starts ‘malfunctioning’.
Earth, being a living system, attempts to compensate, but since the system is so out of whack and her sensors have been damaged, will do whatever is necessary to stop the cause of damage.

Since the beavers knew what they were doing before they were decimated, and no other creature is stupid enough to destroy the trees, only one cause remains. HMMM!!! I wonder what that could be. Maybe the elephants? wait, no elephants in North America, yet no forests. What a mysterious puzzle.

For brevity, I’ll leave out what too much carbon in the atmosphere does, if you’re interested.

Wingnuts, go back to your ANT collection and leave the grown ups to elucidate, please. Unless you have something productive to add.

Jed Clampett

If I may take a stab at it, not that PrettyClueless & co. will care or even try to understand…

Say the thermostat in your house goes bad, completely on the fritz, the system will either heat up and keep going past where it’s supposed to be set or cool off so hard that it will freeze up and you will need an evaporator, compressor and maybe even a new condenser.
The Earth; being a living, self adjusting system, uses the trees as it’s condenser, they use the high energy infrared and ultraviolet spectrum in the process of photosynthesis that will create Oxygen, which freely joins with Hydrogens when it reaches the proper altitude to create water. They also act as Earth’s thermostat. This sends the evaporator into overdrive or inaction depending on the circu.mstances, this results in either too much water vapor in the atmosphere which exacerbates the problem, or too much precipitation, which does the same in summer or creates ma$sive snowfalls in winter. Too much of either can cause an ice age or drought. Wait till you see what happens when the compressor starts ‘malfunctioning’.
Earth, being a living system, attempts to compensate, but since the system is so out of wh.ack and her sensors have been damaged, will do whatever is necessary to stop the cause of damage, even if it means putting it all on ice for a while.

Since the beavers knew what they were doing before they were decimated, and no other creature is selfish enough to destroy the trees, only one cause remains. HMMM!!! I wonder what that could be. Maybe the elephants? wait, no elephants in North America, yet no forests. What a mysterious puzzle.

For brevity, I’ll leave out what too much carbon in the atmosphere does, unless you’re interested.

Have any of you seen :”UP” yet? excellent show.

Jed,
Thanks for the science lesson.

But if I may, here are some facts for you to ponder, if you will.

The Earth’s warming since 1850 totals about 0.7 degrees C. Most of this occurred before 1940.

In other words at a time when there was either no or much less cars on the road.

So what was the cause?
It was a long, moderate 1,500-year climate cycle first discovered in the Greenland ice cores in 1983. The cycle abruptly raises our temperature 1 to 3 degrees C above the norm for centuries at a time.

This also happen during the Roman Warming (200 BC to 600 AD) and Medieval Warming (950 to 1300 AD).

If I`m not mistaken, the mode of transportation back then, was a donkey and a cart. “Eeeeaaaw”

In between these warming cycles, Earth’s temperatures shift abruptly lower by 1 to 3 degrees C–as they did during the 550 years of the Little Ice Age, which ended in 1850.
Study of the ice cores and seabed fossils show 600 of these 1,500-year cycles, going back at least 1 million years.

In other words, Jed Claptrap, the globe has been warming and cooling since we were still picking our noses in caves.

See if you can try to understand. We had no affect on the temperatures back then.
The Earth did it all by itself, with a little help from the sun.
Imagine that!

Of course if Al Gore was around back then, he probably would have blamed it on camp fires and then looked for away to profit from the hysteria he created.

PS: During the recorded times of warming cycles, food was plentiful and civilization progressed.
So bring on the heat. Palm trees in Frostbite, WI.

Maybe if Coach reads these facts, he might consider changing his mind and stop watch MSNBC and get a different perspective.

Lesson over!

Jed Clampett

Lesson in what? How blind people whose brains have been eaten up by ANTs can be? How they are mislead and made to chase after squirrels while ignoring truth.
Almost all the animal spirits have been converted to human, a convenient vessel for water.

Here’s a lesson you might learn from…. yea right. Well, maybe those of us who can still feel love for our mother.

The censorship program keeps blocking you.tube and I don’t want to wait till Monday when the flagged posts are screened, so search for…

Home (DE)

Just maybe, maybe, you might realize what is at stake.

Jed,

Speaking of squirrelly, it seems to me MCP has ‘dropped’ at least one of my recent posts. While that’s probably widely/wildly applauded, it does indicate the somnolent beast might be awakening. And no, I did NOT look that word up. I’m too tired. It popped out, I used it. Jed knows what I mean.

Jed Clampett

Yessir, so is the water.
The one you mention is looking for a certain tree shaker in the land of cattle and oil. Crazy weather we’re having, no?

The MCP works by flagging certain key words or writers or combination thereof. You’ve seen how I hash them out. Once the offensive message is flagged, they wait till someone is available to screen it and then they post it if it’s not too ‘offensive’.

Something wicked this way comes and our violent ways speeds up their journey, were we to change the common mentality to something more peaceful it would slow them down. However, that doesn’t seem likely, hence H1N1, you may have heard it is becoming rather selective.
They might silence this voice soon, I’m sure you’ll feel it if they do, if so, be like a child, learn from everything and let the force into you, and leave out the bad. in fact, it’s only a voice, shut it out, take control of your PC. What separates us from animals is imagination and the ability to manipulate the light.

EXPECTRO!!!

Hey PensiveConfidence.. riddle me this… what’s the sound of a fart when marooned out in space between two worlds?

Jed,

Typical acid trip reply to my post.

Your facts about climate change, was an interesting study of how the Earth regulates it`s climate with checks and balances but neither proved or disproved global warming.

I counter with some scientific facts of my own and because, obviously, you had no rebuttal, you come back with pshyco babble about animal spirits, water and who the f*** knows.

It`s a great ploy that you have mastered, so that you never have to answer directly, questions, who`s answers, don`t fit into your neat little fantasy world.

I fully expect you to answer these comments with more of your twisted poetry. That`s if you answer at all.

Here`s the answer to your riddle.

“Hey PensiveConfidence.. riddle me this… what’s the sound of a fart when marooned out in space between two worlds?”

Answer:
It sounds like the sound of your voice as you pontificate nothingness, disguised as prose. And it oozes from your mouth in the form of gas vapors, into a void, where no one hears and no one cares. It soon evaporates into a black hole of a star, long dead, and without any traces of light, much like the black hole of the empty vessel, from which it originated.

Know what I mean Jelly Bean?

Jed Clampett

Or be consumed as ‘that one’ is.

I wonder how many pieces of silver he was paid? Perhaps he gives away his freedom willingly.

THose who are old enough to have see the movie SPARTACUS, remember what it’s about!!
At the end, when the Centurions are searching him out, he stands and says ‘I am Spartacus’, another notices his bravery and stands and says, ‘I am Spartacus’, then another rises up and says ‘I am Spartacus’ and another wakes up and raises his voice, and another, and another, and so on.

Think about what that means… those not eaten up by the ‘worm your honor’.

Jed,

Yeah great scene with Kirk Douglas. Unfortunately you don`t really get it.
You`re too busy playing dodge ball.

Jed Clampett

Actually, I’m rolling an empty bag of bones. Doing quite nicely I might add, but…

“Jack-Relax, get busy with the facts,
no zodiacs or almanacs
no maniacs in polyester slacks
Just the facts
Gonna kick some gluteus max
It’s a parallax, you dig?
You move around
The small gets big. It’s a rig.
It’s action – reaction – random interaction.
So who’s afraid of a little abstraction?
Can’t get no satisfaction from the Facts?
Better run boy
A facts a fact from Nome to Rome, boy.

What’s the deal? Spin the wheel
If the dice are hot-take a shot.
Play your cards.
Show us what you got-
What you’r holding.
If the cards are cold,
Don’t go folding.
Lady luck is golden;
She favors the bold. That’s cold.
Stop throwing stones-
The night has a thousand saxophones.
SO get out there and rock,
And roll the bones.
Get busy!” (thanks Neil, Geddy and Alex, LOVE to you guys, many tears for you loss)

you see PersonalizedConfinement, you’ve become a braniac steeped in the essence of smack. That might be fine for you, but it doesn’t do well for the rest of us, so ‘Fix it’ or be ‘Lost in Space’.