…poor tiller – I thimk I’m gonna cry.

Poor babies. I’ve been crying for a long time now. NO human should be killed. PERIOD.

Cry for Tiller, yes…but also cry for all of the babies who were never given a chance at life. Maybe the human race will someday learn to love every person instead of placing values on human life. RIP Dr. Tiller

Dr. Tiller was one of the view physicans to aid those couples that are forced to terminate a late-term pregnancy for medical reasons. Who will assist these women now that he is gone. He was demonized for being strong-enough to act on the truth and not on the emotion. He was a physician in the truest sense of the word and will be greatly missed by all. My deepest condolences to his family and staff.

My deepest sympathies go out to Dr. Tiller’s family. NO ONE SHOULD BE GUNNED DOWN BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE!!

“Poor babies. I’ve been crying for a long time now. NO human should be killed. PERIOD.”

Bit late to apologise to Tiller then

yeah. Really sad that Tiller is dead.

Which babies? The unwanted ones? The ones severely deformed or with deadly genetic disorders? Weep for the living and punish the murdering right-wing a-hole that killed a man protecting women’s rights to legal PRIVATE healthcare.

stalking is not peaceful.

Unfortunately, abortion is legal. What he did was VERY extreme and definitely not the norm. I don’t know why any woman needs an elective abortion past 12 weeks if she and the fetus are in perfect condition. That’s slightly repulsive and sad .

How can anyone murder a man outside of a church and saying they are doing God’s work? I wish that abortion was not necessary and find it to be a horrible reality, but it is not my place to tell others how to live their lives and what decisions are right for them. It seems Dr. Tiller understood this as well and stood tall in his conviction that women have a right to make their own choices in the best interests of their own lives and bodies. May God bless and keep his soul.

The fact that we’ve come to this unhappy day in the United States of America is a reason to cry. When a Dr. can be murdered in church for providing safe, legal, medical services for women and folks don’t seem to care, this is the day to cry.
God help us if someone who claims to hold the religious authority to decide who lives and dies decides that people who give blood transfusions or do transplants or medical research do not deserve to live.
I have a strong suspicion that the same folks who celebrate Dr. Tiller’s murder advocate the death penalty and couldn’t care less about hate crimes and murders of GLBT people. How wonderful it must be to feel free to decide who lives and who dies.
How about we all work toward the cultural and societal structures that contribute to the need for abortions in the first place. Forces like poverty, bigotry, lack of medical care, lack of education, untreated addiction, etc.
How about we get as concerned about the children living in poverty without any access to healthcare at all as some of us seem to be about the unborn?

The murder of an innocent man is what we should be crying about. Nothing is black and white! Women do not want to kill their babies, they want to do what is best for themselves and their potential children. Lori – NO.

One Clergy Voice – transfusions and transplants do not terminate life as abortions do. Very, very big difference. In fact, as big a difference as life and death.

No one is celebrating Tiller’s murder. Pro-lifers are exactly that, pro-life. We believe people, born and unborn, deserve to live.

It is a fact that some people feel so extremely about this issue that they are willing to kill. Sad as it is, that’s the facts.

My condolences to Tiller’s family. And my condolences to the families of the lives that Tiller took.

If tiller’s life had end years ago how many innocent lives would have been saved. No pity here

Most late term abortions are for genetic abnormalities and as the age of first time mothers keeps going up, the more these type of procedures will be necessary. There are very few places to get this type of care in the US due to these anti-abortion terrorists. The clinic in Wichita was one of the few and women often have to fly there, face protestors and recover in hotel room, all to abort a baby that they very much wanted but had chromosomal abnormalities. Sometimes the abnormality is so extreme that the fetus is going to die and at that late stage it is much safer to abort than miscarry.

I don’t think he should have been shot down in a place of worship. Scary think is, he lives only 5 blocks from my daughter.

MARY. FIRST OF ALL PRAY THAT GOD WILL FORGIVE THIS MAN FOR THE HORRIBLE MURDERS HE PERFORMED IN HIS LIFE TIME. I KNOW I HAVE PRAYED FOR GODS FORGIVENESS FOR HIM. BUT I HOPE YOU CAN ALSO FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TO PRAY FOR ALL THE BBIES THAT THIS MAN HAS KILLED IN COLD BLOOD. ABORTION IS A EVIL ACT AND NOBODY DESERVES TO BE MURDERED, NOT ONE SINGLE BABY AND DEFFINATELY NOT MR TILLER

a democratic president = terroism

WE ARE ALL GOING TO ANSWER TO GOD FOR THE CRIME AND SINS WE COMMIT

I agree with Mary’s comments, 6-1-09, 2:22 pm.

I have a daughter and I understand why a woman should have the right to decide if abortion is right for herself. Somethings are out of “our” control and we as women should not be punished for that.

It is very sad that people get into other peoples lives and tell them what they should do. I wanted a child so badly and unfortunately my son had many abnormalities which would have him dying soon after birth. So these extremist would want me to carry him and cry for longer then I had to. How small minded these people are. I do cry for the young people who don’t abstain and use abortion as birth control.
I am sure these pro lifers all have these young children and are poorly raise them at that. Just look at Palin’s daughter…great parent as a teenager. Oh yea mommy will help.
Please people grow up and worry about your family and what you choose to do. Stay out of other peoples lives.

One way or another, Dr. Tiller now knows whether these were just biological living massess of tissue, or in fact human beings.

I am very sorry for the Tiller Family whose loss everyone will remember….. I wish them the best in their time of grief.

So for those of you “pro-lifers” who see this as justice, I have ONE question for you…Just who appointed YOU God?

Pro-life and condoning the murder of a Doctor who is doing what is legal. Let God make the final determination about people’s actions, NOT you.

How dare you determine YOU know what is best for a woman to do with her body!

That said, are you all willing to help women raise children that they cannot support either due to genetic or societal issues? Seems to me that there are a LOT of children in shelters and foster care.

If all the talk is truly about saving lives, then how about putting your money and your time behind your “pro-life” convictions!

I find this whole debate a little extreme, over 50% of George Tillers patients died in the operating room, that my friends is a startling statistic. We shed no tears when innocent lives are taken, and yet we cry buckets when the lives of Evil mean are. We have this sooooo very backwards.

Cry if you want over Mr. Tiller, I wont shed any more tears for him then I did for Hitler, or Stalin, or Sadamm Heusain, or Osama Bin Laden when he is finally caught.

No there is Evil in this world real Evil, but no one wants to hear about it anymore. No one wants to be in the business of confronting it or fighting against it.

Now I am not sure, and cannot, and will not say this man acted on some divine order in killing Tiller. I do not know that. I do not think we can so easily dismiss the possibility out of hand.

Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. Even if that sword is a small scalpel. Violence begets violence and Mr. Tiller has sown his share of violence, he has now reaped it.

Newman needs to mind his own business. The choices of others are not his concern, unless he is a megalomaniac control freak, which his comments prove he is.

All you “pro-lifers” need to pay attention to your own sad lives in the bedroom. Face it, Roe vs. Wade decided it in this country. You will never be able to impose your own selfish wills on those of others.

Get a f—ing life people!

The justifications in these comments are beyond beief. You who are for “safe, medical” procedures for women seem to overlook that a HUMAN IS BEING TORN, LIMB BY LIMB…..and late term….well the brains are simply sucked out prior to the “safe, medical” procedure you lament about. Tiller’s nickname? Tiller the Killer. I’m truly convinced that the USA has lost it’s collective mind. We are appalled at puppy mills, the holocaust, and lose our mind when a 150 year old tree is cut down but when it comes to ripping a baby apart…..well that’s called ‘choice’. It’s shameful

It doesn’t seem anyone is fully informed here. Most women who elect to end their pregnancies past 12 weeks, and certainly past 20, do so because they receive a serious diagnosis or have very difficult life circumstances. It is an expensive and complicated medical procedure. These are not just women who decided four months into their pregnancies they didn’t want to have the baby. Others who do not have the means to proper LEGAL medical care deliver babies in alleys and leave them in garbage cans or are so overwhelmed with struggles they cannot manage they may take their own lives or become abusive or neglectful. One should not judge others as they can NEVER truly walk another person’s path and don’t need to understand it. We’ve seen in history when groups of individuals with one extreme opinion wants to inflict their “morals” on the masses and exterminate those they deem outsiders, leading to non-voluntary genocide. You should live your own life and do the best you can for yourself and your own families; extend a hand to others if you can, but don’t judge them. And, don’t violate their personal rights and space. There are too many different opinions and life (and death) philosophies. If they cannot be respected and vigilantes like the one who took Tiller’s life continue to think their personal views are more important than othrs or their God is superior, the world will spiral into further chaos due to the terrorism like that which occurred yesterday.

Quote, Anonymous: “Most late term abortions are for genetic abnormalities and as the age of first time mothers keeps going up, the more these type of procedures will be necessary. There are very few places to get this type of care in the US due to these anti-abortion terrorists. The clinic in Wichita was one of the few and women often have to fly there, face protestors and recover in hotel room, all to abort a baby that they very much wanted but had chromosomal abnormalities. Sometimes the abnormality is so extreme that the fetus is going to die and at that late stage it is much safer to abort than miscarry.”

Unbelievable but true, not everyone uses abortion as an “easy out” or back up contraception.

My cousin is pregnant with her first child who will be born with a genetic disorder, one that could, depending on how the infant’s growth progress, cause the child to die in the last trimester, requiring a late term abortion. It’s horrible to watch this couple go through their very first pregnancy knowing that the baby could die any day. And even if it does survive the pregnancy, may die during birth. And it will face 3 separate surgeries within its first week of life. I pray that if God sees fit to take the child before its born, self-righteous “pro lifers” who don’t know a damn thing about their situation will leave them alone rather than molest them as they do so many people in similar situations.

My heart goes out to Tiller’s family and co-workers and patients.

There is no need to deify Tiller. He was more a butcher than a doctor. That said, I have no sympathy for Tiller’s killer, Scott Roeder, he’s no different than a Muslim suicide bomber. Like Bill Ayers, who had no qualms about killing scores of US military and their wives at that planned bombing years ago, this guy was blinded by his hatred. To all of these fanatics, the end justifies the means.

First off, there are no “babies” involved with abortion, so knock off that rhetoric. We’re talking about fetuses, not children, and nobody can prove it otherwise.

Operation Rescue is a terrorist organization and should be treated as such. Tiller didn’t deserve this.

Laura, in answer to your question, killing one abortion doctor wouldn’t have ended the practice. I hope they strap Scott Roeder to the electric chair and fry him but not before he’s subjected him to hours of water boarding like any other psychotic terrorist. I wouldn’t shed a tear…NO PITY HERE EITHER HONEY

Learn how to spell RNC. Look in the mirror : your ignorance is on display.

Taking a life is taking a life. It is wrong on all levels. Shooting Tiller at church is disturbing to say the least. This radical individual does NOT speak for all Pro-lifers in any way at all. His act is deplorable just like Tillers has been for years.

Women need the right to choice. Period. Abortions have existed for a long time. Women have always created methods for aborting children they feel they are unable to have. Bumpy carriage rides Europe, two tea spoons of turpentine and one of sugar ect. People need to allow women to make their own choices. All this doctor was doing; was making it safe for women. It cannot be any other way.
I don’t eat meat. I believe it’s wrong to kill animals. I see eating animals as a grave sin against life. But I do not tell others to change their decision to eat meat and kill life. They have picked their lifestyle. I stay silently repulsed. And I certainly do not shoot down others.

I find the “no pity” comments ludicrous, and I especially find the seeming smugness in the comment on Dr. Tiller’s karma repugnant.

First of all, America’s problem is that too many sick bastards revel in the misfortune of others. Don’t believe me? Remember your disbelief the next time the freeway slows to a crawl because all the vulturous cretins need to “take a look” at highway fatalities on an accident scene.

None of you is fit to judge, only the spirit of God is fit. That being said, karma is in place to dispense justice flawlessly, but that too is no one’s decision. The law of karma was put in place by God, but it operates flawlessly on its own. Anyone making a comment on karma as a reflection of the murder of Dr. Tiller proves he or she knows nothing about karma.

Damn America is filled with so many war-like people. Everything here is a battle or a war on something or someone. Maybe we all just need to take the word “war” and strike it from our vocabularies?

What happened to Dr. Tiller was murder, plain and simple. His karma was his own, and was not for others to know.

Most people are not well educated on Dr. Tiller. He removed late term babies due to extreme conditions. Mostly when the baby was so deformed that it would die shortly after being born or not live to full term at all. He did not remove HEALTHY babies just because the pregnancy was unwanted. Most states make the mother deliver the baby even though death is iminent. Making the baby and mother suffer. Please look into his work before making judgement.

I am pro-choice, but I believe it should be a matter more about RESPONSIBILITY than getting rid of unwanted consequences.

A life is a life so if you are pro-life, shouldn’t you be against all forms of killing? (i.e. bombing clinics, death penalty, war.)

If you are pro-life because you feel the fetus (or child, whatever. Technically, it’s a parasite . . . needs a host to survive.) is defenseless, then how do you justify killing Tiller? Surely he was defenseless in church.

It is awful that you people take the time to write nasty, negative comments about the loss of someone’s life. If you want to stop abortions in this country, put all your effort into changing the system legally and non-violently – just like us pro-choicers did years ago when we pushed and fought together to make abortion legal. Just like we do every day to keep it legal.

Typical of a pro-lifer to take someone’s life.

Scott Roeder, the Right-Wing Authoritarian (RWA) follower who murdered Dr. Tiller is an example of what happens when the hallmarks of RWA followers reach a critical mass state: intense internalized FEAR combines with a very high degree of SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS to produce EXTREME AGGRESSION against whomever and whatever threatens the follower’s leader or ideology (ironically, “pro-life”). Roeder’s psychological disorder is defined by the following: illogical thinking, a highly compartmentalized mind, double standards, hypocrisy, blindness to himself, a profound ethnocentrism, and dogmatism.

I doubt that Roeder will turn out to be a Social Dominator or a Double High because people with those disorders rely on the RWA followers like Roeder to do the dirty work. The Social Dominators and Double Highs are the “pro-life” extremist leaders, including members of the clergy, hate radio commentators and right-wingnut TV pundits who keep the hateful anti-choice rhetoric ramped high. Gullible suckers like Roeder take the bait.

Dr. Bob Altemeyer spent 40 years researching what makes the Right-Wing Authoritarian follower, the Social Dominator leader, and the worst-case-scenario combination of both, the Double High danger to society, tick. Google “The Authoritarians” and you’ll find the PDF of Altemeyer’s free online reader-friendly 264-page summary of his research.

I have no association with Altemeyer or his research. I came upon it will I was trying to answer the question, “Why do so many people continue to support failed ideologies long after their leaders have been discredited and the ideologies have been proven to harm the followers?”

NICOLE…You said
“Women need the right to choice. Period. Abortions have existed for a long time
I don’t eat meat. I believe it’s wrong to kill animals. I see eating animals as a grave sin against life.”
Am I the only one that sees how absolutely ludicrous these statements are? This is just a general reflection of how utterly depraved and dark the hearts are of the human race today. We weep over animals being killed…don’t even eat them because it is a ‘grave sin against life’…but we murder human beings without a second thought except of how our right to ‘choose’ to murder gives us great peace and no inconvienience. Heck…animals don’t even abort their pregnancies….maybe they are the higher species and we are the stupid ones….

Dr. Tiller was a murderer…but it was equally wrong for another to murder him as an act of his own ‘choice’. Tiller just should have been executed as a result of the legal process in a court of law…just as other murderers are.

Murder is never right wether you are 69 or 6 weeks in the womb! I’m trying to feel sadness but I just can’t thinking of all the possible great kids that were killed. My 11 year old healthy niece was told to be aborted by the doctor due to some “serious” issues he found. Dr. Tiller would have killed her and I would not have this ray of sunshine in my life! Isn’t one good story like this enough to question the late term abortion industry. But guess what — there are 1,000’s of stories like this!!

I believe war is murder. Should I gun down generals in a Catholic church?

Dr Tiller helped people and for that some nosy Gladys Kravitz types and foetus worshipping lunatics damned him and finally shot him in church. How many babies did he save? How many women went on to have babies because the late term abortion procedures he conducted saved them from having their reproductive organs damaged by forced birth of a dead or dying infant? How many people have to die so some ignorant busybodies with bloodlust in their hearts can impose their fascist religious views on the majority of Americans?

@ Coach

In a pro-lifer’s eyes, killing one man helped save countless others. I could never murder someone, but it’s hard to disagree with that logic. Let God judge all parties involved and sort them out.

Regardless of whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, murdering a 60-something-year-old is never right. Instead of fighting amongst ourselves, we need to redirect that energy to problems we all want to solve. For instance, the US should be doing more to address severe poverty throughout the world.
The Borgen Project has good info on the estimated cost of ending global poverty:

$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.

$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget.

Nicole- We do have multiple choices already. First one is the word NO. Second is birth control. Unless I was, heaven forbid, raped, molested, or my health is in danger, no other “choices” are necessary.

Violence breeds violence. Evil begets evil. No murder is acceptable. We were all little complete zygotes, innocent and not able to speak for ourselves. Time matured us. It was not stolen from us. Saddly, the doctor’s life was stolen also. What goes around, comes around.

Anyone on here that is suggesting that pro-lifers are happy about this is completely out of line. The man who killed Tiller is not a pro-lifer, he is a maniac just like anyone else who guns down people in a church. So, please, stop labeling pro-lifers as horrible people. And to pro-lifers, stop acting like Tiller is a murderer. This man practices medicine and he was involved in something that was legal. He is not a criminal. He may not be someone you’d want to have coffee with but you must take up the problems with the government and the community, not with a man that committed actions within the law. You people are the future voters??? Why so much hatred? This disgusts me.

The only person that has posted here and actually understood what it was that Dr. Tiller practiced is Dick Hertz. Has anyone that is pro life actually looked into his practices or just taken the assumtion of what he did? Educate yourself before making comments on someones beliefs.

This issue shouldn’t be religious! It should be political! The same people who are fighting to end abortion rights are the same who want abstinence-only sex education. Birth control and RESPONSIBILITY should be taught in schools, and America wouldn’t be full of scared women who don’t know where else to turn.

There should be after school programs funded for teenagers to be taught these lessons. Women need to be taught to have confidence and not feel like “whores” when something does happen.

Ignoring the situation doesn’t make it go away. If you think abortions are illegal, don’t get one.

The world would be uber populated causing world debt, famine, and who knows what else!

Abortion should remain an option until responsibility is enforced. When this happens, there would be a decrease in unwanted pregnancy.

And, these same ‘pro-lifers’ are the ones who are pro-death penalty.

Seems a bit convoluted to me.

this is very unbeliveable.we should believe in life .there people in my church that believe thisn is okay but is not.

My prayers are with the tiller family i notice that people are beating down tiller for late term abortions but what about the man who walked up into Gods house and shot him if anybody has commited a sin it is the gunman.

poor tiller why sit up and bash him what about the man who walk up into gods house and shot a man if anybody commited a sin it is the gunman not george tiller. I didnt even know the man but its a shame he had to die for something he shouldnt be judge by anybody but god

Tiller killed 60,000 babies since 1972. This is no different than Truman and Hiroshima/Nagasaki. It’s a tragedy but in the end will save lives.

Choose life………how can anyone say it is a choice to murder a baby. If not a baby what is it? It may be hard, it may be inconvenient, but we should never take that into our own hands. Just as the murderer is wrong so are these women.

Jed Clampett

I wonder how many great kids and potential saviors of mankind were killed in the invasion of Iraq, or the bombing of Yugoslavia, or Guatemala, or Nicaragua, how many are still dying because of the nuclear waste proliferated in the form of Depleted Uranium munitions… oh yea, only America produces inventors and ‘great men’.
Hypocrisy is hard to come to terms with and cure, particularly when people easily see it in others and fervently point it out, but refuse to see it within themselves.

I feel sorry for all you anti-choice posters here. Your anger and hatred must be eating you alive. Dr. Tiller provided a legal medical service to women with dangerous and/or doomed pregnancies. You should inform yourselves before condemning him. Pro-life would be pro-healthy mothers, pro-preserving fertility during a doomed pregnancy, pro-dialogue with respect and pro-treating adult women as worthy of making their own medical decisions. What you are is anti-choice, anti-woman and anti-rational

DB: You did not understand my point at all. I would never have an abortion personally. When someone I know decides to have one, I am sad for the life I will never meet. But I refuse to take away someone’s choice. I don’t just cry over animals, I am obviously upset over the deaths of humans as well. But just as I would never tell someone to stop eating burgers; I would never tell them what to do with their unborn child. Their life, their challenge.

Judith: I work with 11- 21 year prostitutes from the greater Boston area. “No” and the pill are good choices for some people. Some people make mistakes. When you hold these girls late at night, you will see that choices are as not simple. I appreciate that you understand there would be times when you personally would opted for an abortion (you listed rape and health). The girls I work with may not have been raped, or their health may not have been in danger but their worlds are a mess and it’s not their fault. Losing a baby is horrible. But there are reasons, why people may decide otherwise. We need to keep the choice legal, for girls like mine. I would never tell any of my girls they made the wrong choice. It’s not my place, it’s not my life. I would never understand their life because of the blessing I have been given. When the world is safe, fair, sex ed educated place for all economic classes and races; then maybe my girls will not need that choice. But for now, it’s direly necessary.

Thats becuase you aren’t too bright May, that fairly well documented on here.

The death penalty is for people who have committed especially heinous crimes against society. What crimes did the babies that abortion kills commit?

This is a sad matter we discuss; it almost seems inappropriate to conduct it over the faceless internet. It keeps us from seeing how alike we all really are. I hope we all just remember, that we are all from different backgrounds and we all truly just want what we each think is best. That we care, either way, is a good thing.

Jed Clampett

do you recognize that we live in a violent, narcissistic society yet? Are you comfortable with that or are you willing to change it?
Given that right wing extremists eventually turn on their own people when cornered or faced with insurmountable odds, like the Taliban is doing to it’s Pakistani progenitors, is that something you can support for your future?

Coach,

“Typical of a pro lifer to take someone’s life.”

Really? I believe since Rode v Wade there has only been two murders including Tiller.s, of Abortionist. In each case the pro life movement immediately denounced it.
A recent Gallop Poll shows 52% of Americans are pro life, 72% are against late term abortion.
There are very few arrest at abortion clinics because protesters are peaceful,unlike say anti war protesters. Should I blame them for the Anarchist that show up and start riots?

Tiller performed 60,000 abortions many late term and made over a $million a year. Was no hero for women,s rights
Pres Obama saw fit to comment on the “tragedy of the Tiller killing”. On the same day two soldiers in Arkansas were shot, one dead, by an angry Muslim. Not one word of pity from our Commander in Chief.

The guy that shot Tiller is a murderer and should be punished.
But I’ ll save my tears for the dead soldier.

The only thing that is typical is you painting 52% of Americans with a broad brush and Obama caring more about a dead abortionist then a dead soldier.

“do you recognize that we live in a violent, narcissistic society yet?”

And how exactly are you looking to change that, sir? By spreading your own vitriol and hate through the faceless medium of the internet? Even worse, on a loser liberal blog on a music website that no one reads anymore, but you go everyday to pick fights? The foolishness and hypocrisy used to be funny, but now it’s just sad: sad that there are people with so much intellect that fall into the same traps again and again. The difference between those who wish death to people on these kinds of blogs and the guy who killed Tiller is smaller than you think.

The most hatefull posts here are by spineless people who show themselves as ‘anonymous’. How can you take them seriously? Obviously they have NO commitment with anything in their lives. They just want to bitch and moan about something that is in the media that has controversy. They’d flip and flop on the story however it would put them in the majority of the populus.

the american taliban has arrived and it wasn’t the liberals afterall.

hopefully after some of you have supported them for years they will turn on you for your hairstyle, clothing choice, or level of education.

Does anyone here know anything about a man named Bill Ayers, isn’t he some sort of extermist and perhaps has an association with a president, perhaps the murderer of Dr. Tiller has held a fundraiser for a potential future US president and he will soon be on the faculty of an american university.

Wow Exile,

That was really insightful.
Like reading prose. Comparison to the Taliban, how original.

Can’t wait for your next contribution.

Years ago, ‘intellectuals’ pondered as to how many angels would fit on the head of a pin. I rather doubt that subject would draw much interest if it were posed, today, by young Tim. Years from now, no doubt, the whole subject of pro-life/pro-choice will cause about as much stir.

Us H. Sapiens have come quite a ways in the last half-millennium or so, but only in some areas. Albert gave us relativity and some European scientists split the atom and some egg-heads in San Jose miniaturized electronics. And what a world have we wrought.

But unless it’s a well kept secret, none among us has been able to understand a few of the basics or life, let alone explain them. Take time, for example. Anyone care to explain it, taking care to focus on the aspect of what took place BEFORE we started counting? Then explain ‘forever’ in terms the lay person can comprehend. What about distance? Is there an end to space? What’s beyond that?

The truth is, there’s a limit to our comprehension and there always will be. Quite simply, there are some things we just don’t ‘get’ and never will. Sadly, for some among us there are a LOT of things that aren’t ‘got,’ but that’s for another time and another place.

We bandy about the term LIFE as if it had some clear, indisputable meaning, for all. By itself, the term is vague and inconclusive. It is within context that the word takes on meaning, but even so it is open to interpretation.

Is a fetus alive? Does it have life? Clearly, yes to the first, maybe to the second. If removed from the womb at one month, would a fetus survive? I’m no doctor but I doubt there would be much chance of survival. Two months? Three months? Just when does the fetus’ life become sustainable outside the womb? And is it a life before such time?

Now take it a step farther, citing Nicole and her detractor. A cow has a life, we’re pretty sure about that, and we ‘take’ that life to enable ourselves to survive, or so the argument goes. However, this life is not the same as that of a fetus. A fetus’ life, we are to conclude, is of more importance than that of a cow.

And why is that? Because humans have a soul. And the assumption would seem to be that because the fetus is human and is alive, it follows that it must have a soul?

This I want to hear. How can anyone say if a fetus has a soul? If anyone can step forward and explain THAT one to me, then I’m all ears.

I’d like to think I had a soul LONG before I was begot, but I’ll be hanged if I can find a single piece of evidence to support that supposition.

Bottom line; Tiller was a killer. You live by the “sword” you die by the “sword.”

I have no sympathy for money grubbing doctors acting like they are doing something good for people (women) but they are no better than a televangelist ripping off widows and orphans for their last cent!

You “Pro choice/death” people are such hypocrites – never seeing the forest because of the tree of your selfishness. Why don’t you shed a tear for the children torn to shreds by this man’s seared conscience?

It should come as no surprise that the WSJ, in ‘announcing’ a charge of murder against Dr. Tiller’s assassin, has chosen to refer to the doctor NOT as a practicing physician of some repute, NOT as a father and family man, NOT as a distinguished member of his community. Nope, he’s “…the late-term abortion provider.”

Roeder? WSJ refers to him as an “activist abortion opponent.”

That damned liberal press.

Roeder is, according to WSJ, “accused of shooting Dr. Tiller to death,” in the doctor’s church, as if that’s relative.

Look for further mind-numbing accounts of this tragedy from that pillar of objective journalism.

“Uncle Tom, is that the same WSJ that claimed the economy was healthy all last year?”

“Yes Dennis, now go to sleep.”

Javi, we’re not going to shed a tear for these things because they’re NOT our business. And, instead of attacking the doctor, why don’t you attack the MOTHER who’s ASKING him to do it?

Here’s a goal for all everyone that gets upset at abortions:

GET THE LAW OVERTURNED!

Abortions are legal. Instead of terrorizing people, get the law overturned. Make it illegal. As if something being ‘illegal’ stops anybody…….

Otherwise, stay out of other people’s business and let the LAW take care of things.

Jed Clampett

excellent post DD.
Why is the baby’s life more valuable than the mother’s ability to create the conditions to make that little life she carries a good one? seems the spreaders of antipathy among us value the future more than they value the present, could it be it’s easier to manipulate?

Google… Sen Jeff Sessions Texas NRCC chairman Taliban Feb 5 2009

check out what he said about Rs modeling themselves after the Taliban

Jed, conservawhites claim to value the future life of an unborn child, but have no problem with killing them (death penalty, media inferences leading to violence, sending them to war) once they’re out of the womb.

Aha! We’re onto something. The conservawhites want to end abortion because the aborted children are EXACTLY the same kinds of kids they end up sending to the frontline of some ill-concieved resource war!

Good Grief! Look what happens when we throw out the baby with the bathwater! I personally do not know why there are so many abortions in America. We can get contraceptives as easily as pot, street drugs and candy. I’ve come to believe that most who are having sex really have little self respect for themselves therefore don,t care about the consequences or truth that the consequences of the marrital act can produce another human being.

p.s.

i am referring to casual sex in the comment above

Irony, commiecrats claim to value the life of a convicted murderer or dictator, but have no problem with killing 45 MILLION unborn children(abortion, liberal media inferences leading to violence, sending them to war i.e. the Civil War (Southern Democrats in support of slavery and state’s rights), WWI (Wilson), WWII (Roosevelt), Korean War (Truman), Vietnam (Kennedy), Cold War (Roosevelt/Truman) all of which DEMOCRATS started or entered into once they were in power. More US troops killed on D-day than in the entire Iraq and Afganistan wars. Also, more unborn children killed than US troops during the same time period of Iraq and Afganistan.

Aha! We’re onto something. The commiecrats want to end the death penalty and become entangled in wars because the convicted murderers are EXACTLY the same kinds of people that end up voting for them!

“Oh the irony” you left out critical facts. A. Most those wars listed were defensive. Not offensive. (Please don’t start listing why you think we should have gone into the Middle East. That’s a whole another blog.) B. You can’t really blame Vietnam on Kennedy or Johnson. Nixon was there when common support was withdrawn. But we can’t fully blame him either. C. Democrat and Republican Party values flipped directly after the Civil War.

And mostly directly Pro life / pro choice really has nothing to do with war or the death penalty. It’s so easy to say one party wants death and another wants life. Pro Choice wants better lives for possible Mothers. Pro life does not want to end the chance of life of a child. Let’s not get into soldiers of the past. Totally different argument.

Here’s an idea…if you don’t want to get pregnant and raise a child, don’t have sex! As for the women who have been raped or coerced into sex, or are experiencing some life-threatening situation, they deserve a choice about the future of their unborn child. Their choice of when/whom to have sex with was taken away without consent. Everyone else can lay in the bed that they’ve made.

If real-life actions had real-life consequences, maybe some people would make better educated and mature decisions instead of society always bailing them out.

This is just typical conservative behavior. If you don’t think like them, they’ll have you killed.

Let me take the unpopular position of saying “F*** Children!” I’m tired of hearing of how children are a miracle. How every child will grow up to do something great and special. That is BS. We have 6 and 1/2 Billion people on this planet and counting. These pro-lifers are wringing their hands over aborted fetuses. If they care about these precious lives, what are they doing to make sure these “precious gifts from God” are being taken care of properly once they are born? Nothing. Not one damn thing! All they are concerned about doing is harrassing pregnant women and the doctors providing legal medical services to them. Pro-lifers make me sick! They claim they don’t condone murdering abortion doctors. Yet, in the same breath, reminds everyone who listen that abortion doctors are murderers. I’m sorry. When you say that, you are condoning the actions of people who do kill abortion doctors. It’s like saying we shouldn’t murder Hitler, but reminding everybody the atrocities that he has committed. Basically, justifying the reason why he should be killed.

Dear Tony,

You are right in saying that these are totally different arguments, I was only demostrating the stupidity of the commenter Irony at 6/2/09 @ 9:31pm.

You are also correct in saying that the values of the parties flipped after the Civil War, namely the fact that the Republicans don’t run former KKK members for the US Senate.

WC,

Where ya been, you old rattlesnake? This forum could use a little more of your politically incorrect honesty. Got any flicks in the works?

Presently, the approach to sex, at least in this country, seems to be, “let ‘er rip,” or, as stated in more sedate quarters, “let nature take its course.” Which is, after all, what is happening with abortions.

If you’re not going to set any preconditions before the act, save for a token age-limit or two, then it seems disingenuous to do so after the fact.

The argument that pro-lifers care only about life in the womb resonates too much to be discounted. I’m a dam-site more concerned about what awaits those of us who escaped the placenta. If we can get THAT mess cleaned up, and there’s no indication we can, THEN we can look into prenatal philosophies.

Dirty D,

“Would a one month fetus survive outside the womb”

Well if survival is the p. prerequisite for deciding if one is a human deserving of human rights, like life, then what about a six month old baby left our in the cold? It couldn’t survive. How about you? If we dropped you off in the Alaskan wilderness, you probably couldn’t survive. Does that make you less human? Do we really want to keep going down this road.

Let’s examine. Is living in poverty and the struggle to raise a child a good reason to end life?
That reasoning would have put Judge Sotomayor out of the run for Supreme Court before she ever had a chance.
Hell even the Nazis didn’t use that as an excuse. They went after the mentally and physically handicapped. Which of course is the other main excuse given, for ending life.
So what level of handicap should we decide to end life. How about the most extreme handicap? Like Stephen Hawkins the Nobel Prize Winning Physicist. Or maybe a lesser handicap, say blindness.
Of course that would have deprived us of the music of Stevie Wonder.

This abortion because of hardship is at it’s heart a selfish one. It is for the convenience of the mother and father.
Oh you object to my reasoning?
Well what if I suggested that society choose to abort all children of welfare recipients. After all they are a hardship on all of us. They cost us billions. They tend to get involved in drugs and crime much more than the rest of us. They also often stay on welfare for multiple generations.
I could hear the howls of protest from the liberal crowd. Charges of mean spiritness and racism. All though I bet some would secretly think it a good idea.
Well as a conservative I think it would be a horrible idea, because life is precious.
And I don’t want to hear from the morons who say what about the death penalty. Only a moron would compare an innocent baby to a vicious murderer.

And briefly, the reason the WSJ did not mention that Dr Tiller was a family man and pillar of the community is because it was not relevant to the story. He was killed because he was a late term abortionist.
If a mob guy is killed, do they mention that he was a family man? No because the reason he was killed had to do with his organized crime connection.
And are you trying to say that a so called pillars of society can not be guilty of horrendous crimes?
Come on DD, very weak for you.
Stop trying to paint this guy as champion for women. He was making $millions doing freakin abortions. He wasn’t looking for the cure for breast cancer. Give a breaK.

Why do conservatives claim to want government out of their lives, yet, they want government to tell us who we can sleep with, whether or not we can have a baby, and whether or not we’re the right color to vote? That last one was cynical….

I’m not sure anybody here actually supports the killing of a fetus. But, there are plenty of people here to understand that it’s not their business, and there must be a/some reasons that the mother wants to abort the child. Who are you/me to tell that mother what she can/cant do? Isn’t that up to the law? And, right now, the law says you can get an abortion.

Seems to me that the only ‘murders’ that conservatives care about are ones that involve unborn babies.

I agree with WC. We need to quit acting like these unborns are going to turn into geniuses.

Jed Clampett

They only consider it bad government when they are not in power.
When they are out of power, they are willing to make enemies out of their compatriots just for the sake of attaining power once again. Once they grab it by any means necessary, it goes to their head and invariably, it’s misused.

Politics is supposed to be about the desire to help your countrymen, to them, it’s just a means to an end. To write laws favorable to them and their business ventures.

@ Javi: No, pro-choice Americans are not hypocrites.
FACT: # of abortions in the US trended HIGHER in the years G.W. Bush was president than when Clinton was president.
How can this be? A pro-choice President’s policies leading to LESS abortions than a “pro-life” President?

It’s called looking at the reasons women end up having abortions–not necessarily late term abortions which are NOT done on a whim, but the VAST bulk of abortions done in the 1st or early 2nd trimester (pregnancies assumed to be healthy although it’s too soon to perform amnio)–and working to affect those reasons.

When you have medical facilities that provide emergency services that refuse to provide the morning after pill even to rape victims, and pharmacists all over the place who won’t dispense women the birth control pills that their doctor prescribed–ENCOURAGED by the actions and policies of the Bush Administration–the result is inevitably abortions.
When you restrict condoms available to teens and others with the twisted rationale that it’s “condoning teen sex,” the result is more abortions.

Unfortunately, women can’t stop being sexually assaulted simply because some religious zealots consider the morning after pill “abortion”–taken BEFORE the embryo even reaches the uterus.
They aren’t going to stop having sex, so if condoms break and there is no morning after pill or a woman can’t get the refill on her B/C pills because the pharmacist “objects,” there will be more abortions.

Many women are temporarily on medications that can cause unimaginable birth defects: should any young woman on chemo become pregnant, for example, she would almost certainly try to get an abortion if the fetus has even survived.

Severely restricting birth control leads to abortion.

Jed Clampett

It keeps happening over and over again with people of either – or any rather – side because they refuse to hold themselves to the same standards they impose on those they rule over. They become Libertines, and once they recognize it, rather than relinquishing power because they have been corrupted, they hide and excuse themselves and their cronies.
Unfortunately, the governed are as much to blame for this; since they have the majority, there should be no reason other than blinding fear, or fear of the unseen, for allowing themselves to be exploited and abused. Once you start holding the big fish accountable and provide them with the same prison system they have created for the rest of us, things cannot change.
Start with Cheney, who seems to think that by making himself extremely visible he can avoid prosecution; he doesn’t realize that by putting himself constantly on the spotlight we are forced to truly analyze his past methods and intentions with 20/20 hindsight. If we fail to prosecute him, he will try to parlay his new found ‘popularity’ into another grab for the seat of power so he can erase the rest of the evidence and implement more totalitarian, empirialistic national policy. The choice and the voice belong to the people and no one can take that away from those who are brave and free.

Tiller was a profitter of abortions that would be illegal in most countries even liberal ones.

Please do not confuse him with clinics that perform safe legal abortions.

Tiller routinely falsified records to make the age of the fetus younger and for psychiatric reasons aborted fetuses between 26-30 weeks.

Tiller’s psychiatric reasons had mostly social reasons
That the offspring would not thrive. That the woman would have her future re-directed. That they wouldn’t get a good education after they had a child. That they would be always guilty in some way about having that child. That they had been abused already and that this — to have the baby would be another form of abuse. These are not psychiatric ideas but social ones.

Anerica is not the only country that banned late term abortions.

Let see banned after 16 weeks- Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Rep., Denmark, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Rep., Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Norway, Russian Fed., Slovak Rep., Slovenia, South Africa, Ukraine, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Yugoslavia

After 13 wks -Italy

14 weeks Austria, Belgium, Cambodia, Germany, Hungary, and Romania

18 wks – Sweden, viability Netherlands and to some extent the United States, and 24 weeks Singapore and the United Kingdom

He profited by doing late term abortions for any reasons.

“Unfortunately, women can’t stop being sexually assaulted…

(0.3% OF ABORTIONS TO RAPE VICTIMS -wikianswers)

“simply because some religious zealots consider the morning after pill “abortion”–taken BEFORE the embryo even reaches the uterus.

(MORNING AFTER PILL: Available at health centers and drugstores
Costs vary from $10 to $70 -Planned Parenthood)

“They aren’t going to stop having sex, so if condoms break and there is no morning after pill (’CUZ WHY, AGAIN) or a woman can’t get the refill on her B/C pills because the pharmacist “objects,” there will be more abortions. (DOUBLE ??)

(Seventeen-year-old women should be able to buy the “morning-after pill” without a prescription within a few weeks, a government spokesman said Thursday. mid April 2009 CNN)

As for “LOCAL GAL” and “Dr. Tiller was one of the view physicans to aid those couples that are FORCED to terminate…”

1. Neither of us know the proportions of Dr. Tiller’s patients who were compelled, or forced, or chose to abort, late in pregnancy.

2. “While he was United States Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated publicly that in his thirty-eight years as a pediatric surgeon, he was never aware of a single situation in which a preborn child’s life had to be taken in order to save the life of the mother.”

3. My condolences to Dr. Tiller’s family as well. May his killer be killed, or at least spend the rest of his life in jail.

4. May the words “a woman’s right to choose” be used where they’re needed, for instance, Haiti; instead of where they’re not needed, for instance, American High Schools.

In the wake of the shooting of late-term abortionist George Tiller, President Barack Obama sent out a welcome message that this nation would not tolerate attacks on pro-lifers or any other Americans because of their religion or beliefs.

Ha ha! Just kidding. That was the lead sentence — with minor edits — of a New York Times editorial warning about theoretical hate crimes against Muslims published eight months after 9/11. Can pro-lifers get a hate crimes bill passed and oceans of ink devoted to assuring Americans that “most pro-lifers are peaceful”?

For years, we’ve had to hear about the grave threat that Americans might overreact to a terrorist attack committed by 19 Muslims shouting “Allahu akbar” as they flew commercial jets into American skyscrapers. That would be the equivalent of 19 pro-lifers shouting “Abortion kills a beating heart!” as they gunned down thousands of innocent citizens in Wichita, Kan.

Why aren’t liberals rushing to assure us this time that “most pro-lifers are peaceful”? Unlike Muslims, pro-lifers actually are peaceful.

According to recent polling, a majority of Americans oppose abortion — which is consistent with liberals’ hysterical refusal to allow us to vote on the subject. In a country with approximately 150 million pro-lifers, five abortionists have been killed since Roe v. Wade.

In that same 36 years, more than 49 million babies have been killed by abortionists. Let’s recap that halftime score, sports fans: 49 million to five.

I wouldn’t kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn’t want to impose my moral values on others.

Any person that has an abortion and the person providing the abortion both should be aborted from this life much more so than Scott Peterson or many others who are on death row with only hear-say circumstancial possibilities and not evidence. Like “Pinky”,a fruitcake with mental problems who hates men so found him guilty. America blew it when we allowed women to vote after the males did all the building,roughing it and fighting to the death to create the greatest country on earth. Women are now ruining our country. Us males must and will take it back and put the women BACK in their place where they belong. Remember,without males approval,the female race is 100% nothing. If needed,the males can do just about anything. Women had a great thing going but just got too greedy for their own good. We gave them an inch and they tried to take the world. Now it’s payback and time to save the world. The only thing the female can do is b1tch. No more no less.

VENOM: I can’t believe you said this:

“Unlike Muslims, pro-lifers actually are peaceful.”

Unlike Muslims? Typical outlandish stuff from uneducated hornblowers.

Abortion has nothing to do with muslims and your analogy was horrible and horrifying. Horrifying to realize that you JUSTIFY the killing of doctors who are legally doing their job.

Let’s see: It sounds like you’re okay with killing the muslim world, but totally against a mother deciding to abort her fetus.

What a joke.

Dear Ms./Mr. Puke,

49 Million to 5, have a nice day.

Coach,

You said: “I’m not sure anybody here actually supports the killing of a fetus.”

I got one question. Why not? What`s wrong with doing it?

Wipeout: Because it’s a difficult moral decision for the MOTHER AND FATHER followed by another stressful medical procedure. Add the fact that it’s none of our business, and you’ve just recieved three reasons to NOT support the procedure.

However, I do support the current law allowing abortion.

Nice try. Sorry I actually answered your question.

Gee, wait til them thar chickens learns how to type. How many stats are they going to throws at us about killing ‘babies’?

Caviar, anybody?

Jed Clampett

And there you have the crux of the problem ladies and gents. A large segment of the population has no idea what civility means or any of the other things that we, as humans endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, hold dear. Unfortunately, there are many of them that have made themselves wealthy beyond reason and control the rest of us through their wealth and control of our political arena, they do this so we make them even richer and never resolve anything. They are in fact, an impediment to progress, one which somehow we have been led to believe must have a free voice to destroy the entire system and in fact is supported by our tax dollars as well as our purchasing power. Yet they convince themselves that they are helping the country, helping the world and also that they are the victim? how is this possible?

Coach,

Thanks for answering the question.
Could you humor me and answer another?
Why is it a difficult moral decision for the mother?

Dirty D

Before you get too giddy about WC’s “breath of fresh air” (your quote”) comment, he said “F*** Children”, you might think it through for a bit

When callous guys like him who are young now, see how much taxes they have to pay because of this unbelievable debt being created by Obama.

What do you think they,re going to be saying about old guys like you on social security?

F*** Old People!

Here’s another quote from WC Fields. ” There’s a sucker born every minute”.

because she doesn’t realize she could be protecting the world from a moron like you and the chemistry involved in forcing the body to accept a parasitic organism within it makes her too attached to make rational decisions.

killing is always wrong and so is hateful, vengeful thinking. Instead, think about how to improve yourselfs.

“a parasitic organism within it makes her too attached to make rational decisions”

Ah, yes, the “progressive’s” definition of children.

Look, abortion comes down to your belief system, pure and simple. There are logical arguments to be made on both sides, so tying to demonize one or the other’s position is just stupid. What should be agreed on is that George Tiller is a bad man in allowing for 3rd term abortions. Did he deserve to be shot by some nut-vigilante? No (as reflected by 99% of the pro-life community). But to ignore the heinous actions he performed as a doctor (not because he was an abortionist, but because of the nature of his abortions) is to not reveal the full story. I can rarely say this, but, in all honesty, Fox News is the only news organization covering this story completely (i.e. condemning his murder, but giving insight into the motivations behind it). On an issue so subjective, the least one could do is be thorough on the information they receive. If we are to express sympathy for this man, we should also express sympathy for the children who died only weeks before their births because of his actions.

Jed Clampett

Wow, this guy is intent on demoralizing everyone to a level as low as his own lack of morality.

Do you work for Anton LaVey? Do you know who he is? perhaps you’re a scientologist?

Half of humanity is parasitic while the other half waits for someone to rescue them from the selfish. Neither will understand till it’s too late.

Did you notice that the day after the president’s speech separating us from Israel’s folly the conservatives suddenly changed their racist tone to take pressure off themselves; a guy was exposed with a plot on Potus’ life setting the stage for plausible deniability; a Cuban spy couple got arrested; a plane with some important businessmen went down without a trace even though text messages included GPS coordinates where sent and still no debris. You must remember that Mossad was found to have the deepest infiltration network at the highest levels of US government by the 911 committee and was subsequently whitewashed; the Corporate Influence Agency has been given free reign to do it’s thing in the world. Looks like they have decided to implement the cartoon of the two policemen standing over the dead chimpanzee that Murdock’s networks peppered us with a while back.
Sit a spell, the levels of violence are about to really go up again.
Guess whom the source of all the tension are? The TITANS are ready to cut down the tree of life if not given their way. Are you willing to give them a free voice? go into the good night without even a whimper?

Remember, politicians respond to mass expression of public opinion, particularly when it could cost them their positions of influence.

Anonymous,

In your particular case, you probably was a parasite growing inside your mothers womb. But I still would have came down on the side of caution and not have you aborted.

But now after reading your comments, I would seriously consider bringing in the exterminator to have you removed, along with the roaches and rats.

Pond scum.

Oh wow… I am still amused at the stupidity that exist in this country. I really do feel like throwing up now. As I looked over some comments I could help thinking that abortion is so necessary. If for no one else but for True Morals guy. Anyway….You anti abortion guys are the ones who value life only while in the womb. After that you have a very nice slogan…”You are not my responsibility” Or….no welfare, no social services, no medical insurance….Some people should have been aborted. The ones that think that they have to kill for God for example. Yep…That is what God needs. His murderous squad. If you so much believe in God than what is the problem. Every soul comes from God and goes back to God…. You people care just for the fetus. And after that the parents are on their own. And hopefully it is a boy if it does get born and it is so desperate and poor that it will go to war for you… And maybe it will come home in a wooden box. Disgusting.
All this comes from a women, by the way. And also a women that has 5 children, one of them a vet. So go ahead and get pissed off you pro lifers. I almost forgot. Those Dougalls should be our standard? Or whatever their name…18 children is not natural. Is disgusting.

Jed Clampett

Wow, these guys are intent on demoralizing everyone to a level as low as theyr own immorality.

Do you work for Anton LaVey? Do you know who he is? perhaps you’re scientologists?

Half of humanity is parasitic while the other half waits for someone to rescue them from the selfish. Neither will understand till it’s too late.

Did you notice that the day after the president’s speech separating us from Israel’s folly the R leadership suddenly changed their racist tone to take suspicion off themselves; a guy was exposed with a plot on Potus’ life setting the stage for plausible deniability; a Cuban spy couple got arrested; a plane with some important businessmen went down without a trace even though text messages included GPS coordinates were sent yet little evidence has been found. You must remember that Mossad was found to have the deepest infiltration network at the highest levels of US government by the 911 committee and was subsequently whitewashed; the Corporate Influence Agency has been given free rein to do it’s thing in the world. Looks like they have decided to implement the cartoon of the two policemen standing over the dead chimpanzee that Murdock’s networks peppered us with a while back.
Sit a spell, the levels of violence are about to really go up again.
Guess whom the source of all the tensions are? The TITANS are ready to cut down the tree of life if not given their way. Are you willing to give them a free voice? go into the good night without even a whimper?

Remember, politicians respond to ma$s expression of public opinion, particularly when it could cost them their positions of influence.
The enemy considers ALL OF HUMANITY as little more than Chimps.

Jed Clampett

5 children? In such an overpopulated world it seems selfish and irresponsible, no?
OH, yes, projection, what a wonderful barometer of the speaker’s soul and character.

The post with my name on it dated 06/06/2009 9:40PM is not mine. Whoever you are using my name put your own name in the name block of the comment section. If you don’t have a name just put in your Soc Sec #. I’m sure you wouldn’t mind sharing your identity for us to use. You seem to want to take care of all the downtrodden of the world.

Oh really? we were hoping you had pumped out 5 units our of your a$$. Would only be fair since you’ve had some many in there.

Its horrible to think that ignorant closed minded people cant possibly undersand the circumstances of these medical issues. Women have the right to choose what they do with their bodies and the doctors have the right to pracice medicene no one can set in stone what is “ethical” because each culture has its own acceptable policies. The hypocracy that was carried out by those murders was appauling and horrible because in the end they got want they wanted the clinic closed.

Abortion: A doctor’s right to make a killing.

Killing babies and/or abortionists: Murder.

Jed Clampett

subsides, the oligarchs right to make a killing… at their countrymen’s expense.

John Boner is equating the health care system with the DMV. As if either, or anything touched by humans, particularly Americans, is not flawed. Terrorism, scaring the public for political selfishness.

George Tiller unequivocally got what he deserved for killing defenseless babies