This is the best you could do? Don’t you have the stones to mention something about Obama’s Chief Economic Advisor, Larry Summers, receiving multi-million dollar compensation from hedge funds last year? How are we to expect “change we can believe in” if the guys who are supposedly putting these words into action are the same old cronies who Obama claimed he would repudiate and replace? It is astonishing that Tim Dickinson is falling into lockstep with this administration, afraid to challenge this bastion of elitism cloaked in populist rhetoric.

I get what you’re saying J. Wenner, but there are plenty of stories worth writing, and plenty of videos to be shown. I for one, am glad that I got to see this, which I doubt would have happened had Tim not highlighted it here.

Not a defence of Larry Summers, not a defence of President Obama, not a defence of Tim Dickinson. I just think that to complain that one source of news opinion, did not represent you – when hundreds of news organisations and their mouthpieces fail to do so every hour – is folly. I don’t disagree with you about Summers being tainted in so many ways, or that the top table is playing musical chairs when the people want a new table and new players. Just about you ruining a moment.

Sounds like he didn’t raise his daughter very well! People wonder why the percentage of babies born to unwed mothers in the US is now at 40$ versus 5% 40 years ago. It is sad.

Wow-Judith. Does throwing stones in a glass house sound familiar? I would suspect that the lack of sex ed that occurred under Bush has more to do with the increase in teen pregnancy than peoples “lack of morals.”
As a person who went to graduate school in Iowa and grew up in the Midwest I am proud of what occurred in Iowa; everyone deserves to have the same rights under our government.

Judith, aren’t you the one who said you were upset with your children’s decisions? Well, by your own rationale, you ‘must not have raised them very well’……

It’s not very often I hear a politician speak that honest and eloquent about something that he hasn’t have a personal stake in. It is very refreshing.

Judith, you need to watch the video again. The point is not the “immoral” values of his daughter. It’s about the new generation’s apathy of the previous generation’s prejudice.

god I cant stand rolling stone its ridiculous.

I did not state his daughter was immoral, and why do you think she is immoral JP?
Again, May you are incorrect and confused, but we have come to expect that from you.
TH if you read the stat I posted, this change in out of wedlock births has occurred over a couple of generations, not during Bush’s term. Keep trying to blame Bush for everything that has occurred over the last 50 years.

Judith | 4/7/2009, 2:42 pm EST

Sounds like he didn’t raise his daughter very well! People wonder why the percentage of babies born to unwed mothers in the US is now at 40$ versus 5% 40 years ago. It is sad.
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Here’s the post that I’ve responded to. You first stated what the daughter said reflects a lack of quality of how the daughter was raised. Then you state a stat about unwed mothers (Sex outside of marriage: *gasp* Immoral!) of which the state senator’s daughter is a member of that generation. Now, you are trying to chastise me for being confused about you inference. Talk honestly about the subject at hand. Instead of offering straw man issues and personally attacking people who may not agree with you on the subject.

BTW- you can’t conceive of bacteria or fungi as having a collective awareness, you denigrate me by saying that I ascribe human qualities to ‘all sort of phenomena’. I understood they had a collective awareness and will because they are a living system, but it took a while to get confirmation from the scientific community. A scientist studying a specific bacteria discovered that their signaling and behavior changed when they reached a particular number of individuals. This is collective awareness and consciousness, the fact that you can only consider an awareness such as your own the only scale for measuring awareness does not change the observations of experimenters that unlike you, are in the search for truth and enlightenment rather than selfishly promoting a flawed ideology. Similar experiments have been conducted to study the awareness of trees and forests. They found that trees communicate with each other through chemical signals… ie, when attacked by pine beetle, the forest puts out a different chemical signature than termites, a clear indication of awareness and communication of information. But I doubt you could accept that, since they don’t move and talk, trees are not alive and it’s OK to decimate forests without second thought to the actual purpose the trees had before being considered useless and worthy of exploitation.

Either way, sorry for taking so long in responding to your BS. Not that it matters anyway, it’s not like we are having an edifying conversation, merely a back and forth of self promotion. Thankfully, I’ve found a site where the conversation is lively, interesting and civilized. Where people want to understand complicated concepts rather than dismiss things outright because it wasn’t fed to them by the establishment or their leadership, in others words, a forum of thinkers.

In light of just those two stated opinions I find it humorous that you would think me as lazy for accepting the obvious; that Earth is a living system, and as such, endowed with the qualities of living systems, as if it had been so easy for me to do so, considering I’m a scientist/engineer. I had a hard time with it myself and avoided it for lack of proof. She showed me, however, some events in history that seemed totally outlandish and difficult to accept, until a few weeks later the scientific community confirmed what I’d been shown. Since then, I’ve had to learn to accept first and confirm later, hasn’t failed me so far.

Given that you’ve accepted that the money you pay in so.cial security is money being thrown away and quiescently accepted it; that you’ve described as fundamentally sound the capitalist monetary market system, in which fraud and deceit are rampant and accepted as part of doing business, as well as being fundamentally flawed because of it’s demands of increased profits year over year which necessarily force leadership into doing things that are illegal in order to deliver those profits even though maximum efficiency has been achieved and self cannibalism is the only available option.

in which fraud and deceit are rampant and accepted as part of doing business, as well as being fundamentally flawed because of it’s demands of increased profits year over year which necessarily force leadership into doing things that are illegal in order to deliver those profits even though maximum efficiency has been achieved and self cannibalism is the only available option

which necessarily force leadership into doing things that are illegal in order to deliver those profits even though maximum efficiency has been achieved and self cannibalism is the only available option.

which necessarily force leadership into doing things that are illegal and immoral so as to deliver those profits even though

Given that you’ve accepted that the money you pay in social security is money being thrown away and quiescently accepted it; that you’ve described as fundamentally sound the capitalist monetary market system, in which fraud and deceit are rampant and accepted as part of doing business, as well as being fundamentally flawed because of it’s demands of increased profits year over year which necessarily force leadership into doing things that are illegal and immoral so as to deliver those profits even though maximum efficiency has been achieved and self cannibalism is the only available option.

I doubt you understand the concept behind the song ‘imagine’ by John Lennon. He’s basically telling you what Southpark was saying with their ‘Imaginationland’ series. If you imagine enemies at every turn, you will create the conditions which make you enemies instead of friends. If you imagine a place where prosperity and peace for all rule the day, then you will strive to make that the reality. We tend to give life to that which we imagine to be real or want to be real. Perception is 85% of reality, the way we perceive guides our actions. That which you imagine is determined by the content of you character, you will never create prosperity and peace and justice for all if, in all you do, you keep finding ‘justifications’ for denying prosperity, peace and justice to some because your economic considerations trump all else, including rectitude. The hallmarks of a Libertine.

I used your words, again, to show you how you contradict yourself. How can you possibly think that anything related to earth is ’supernatural’? to me, anything related to nature and how it manages the miracle of life on this planet is the epitome of natural, by which all others are measured. I used your word, supernatural, but in reality I should have used unnatural, which is more descriptive of your philosophy. Even more so, I prefer the word retarded, as in ‘out of phase’ with the natural world which would be a term more in line with the reality of your credo.

You see, you don’t understand the gift, so there’s no way you can appreciate it or even attempt to defend it. You merely think of yourself and your ’sphere of influence’. This to me is an indication that you’ve failed the first rule. You don’t even know what the ‘home fires’ are, of course you would have no interest in keeping them burning. Or how could you possibly understand that as humans we belong to the greater family that is humanity, and our compassion for our family members makes it so that we care for all rather than finding excuses to slice off one group or another from humane consideration.

Or how could you possibly understand that as humans we belong to the greater family that is humanity, and our compa$sion for our family members makes it so that we care for all rather than finding excuses to slice off one group or another from humane consideration.

You see, you don’t understand the gift, so there’s no way you can appreciate it or even attempt to defend it. You merely think of yourself and your ’sphere of influence’. This to me is an indication that you’ve failed the first rule. You don’t even know what the ‘home fires’ are, of course you would have no interest in keeping them burning.

But you are dramatizing, that is the main way you debate others whose ideas you are too intellectually lazy to even try to understand, you over dramatize, mischaracterize, misrepresent so as to give yourself an opportunity to denigrate. You don’t seem to have any other tactic or technique than that, I thought the marines would have taught you better. Then again, you have to be at one with nature to access the highest levels of intelligence and awareness and it’s evident you are far from that