On science on the fringe will always be political even if it’s among other scientists. Then there is ethics which again is very political. Obama is just changing the ethics and theories to his view and not leaving it up to the scientists at all.

Right on, my man, O’Bama!
Bush was so stupid, he didn’t even own a cell phone. That’s why he banned stem cell research.

O’Bama owns a Blackberry, he knows how important stem cell research is. Conservatives are against cell phones. Morons.

I also hope O’Bama does something about global worming. I do not know you guys, but in my yard worms have been multiplying during Bush era like crazy. I know Bush likes to go fishing and he needs a lot of worms, but what about the rest of us? I do not like worms.

Just as Tim, I did not like Bush waging war on scientology. He is a warmonger.

Greg_D

You may think your political creationist theories are superior to all other beliefs but they are really just pseudoscience. Sorry.

Evolution only goes back so far and then it’s all about the primordial soup. Since primordial soup can be created in nature and the lab nobody can prove if the primordial soup was natural or created in a lab. Gene modification can be natural or done in the lab too. Now evolutionists can’t say planning was or was not involved in that either.

But I think Obama is really into embryonic stem cells although stem cells can be made out of other cells. The only reason why anybody would bother with embryonic stem cells is if the scientist wants to see the results of his or her work in a fetus, baby or adult. If one wants a designer baby, embrotic stem cells would be required. For any otehr reason such as gene therapy stem cells from body parts work just as well.

Then he is into man made climate change (which is a branch off of global warming). He has brushed off every other theory on climate change and will continue to do so.

He is also a firm believer in wind and solar power, but there is a problem. Both require a lot of land and much of the land at least for wind is in windlife areas so instead of running roads to build oil wells, he’ll be running roads to set up wind power machines and it’ll taks a lot of these wind machines to be a viable energy source. Some of the largest wind turbines are the size of the statue of liberty. The wind turbines are also noisy and take a lot of maintenance (hence lots of human traffic). Wind power will be far more disruptive to wildlife than drilling for oil. Solar power also takes larges chunks of land and requires lots of roads. You can kiss a lot of desert wildlife goodbye when the solar panels get put in.

He wants nuclear power. There is a reason why France can get away will looking like it has clean nuclear energy. France ships the waste to Russia (big security risk for France). The U.S. can’t do that. Few states will take the waste and few states even want a reactor in their back yard. I’m sure Washington D.C. could put a couple of reactors next to the White House.

He wants clean coal? It doesn’t work as well in practice as it does in theory. There are ways to keep coal emissions out of the air, but the pollutants are either buried in the ground directly or the filters are buried in the ground.

So Obama is just picking and choosing his ethics and science just like Bush, yet Obama thinks he is being more pro science.

Bush was the first to fund stem cell research, Clinton was nowhere on this. Then Bush stopped becuase of his beliefs, which I don’t agree with. Now Obama comes along acts like he discovered stem cells and makes a political speech saying that they aren’t going to politicize science and then blame Bush for doing it.

SoothSayer,

Obama isn’t trying to take credit for the idea of funding stem cell research. Rather its an across the method of how science will inform the policy makers in Gov’t. A lot of this stems from Global Warming/Climate Change science/policy as well and the belief that scientific documents had parts changed or blacked out, specifically that know NASA report on climate change that was said to be altered or buried.

Bush actually performed “decently” in the area of reduction of CO2 in the big picture. But now I believe we can make money off the greening technology and have a healier planet in bargain.

The history of stem cells started with embryotic stem cells. Bush banned it for moral reasons. Scientists raised a fuss that stem cell research was dead until they found out they could make stem cells out of other cells. This research was hapening in the U.S. with government money so stem cell research in the U.S. wasn’t banned at all. The only reversal that Obama could make was on embryotic stem cells and I pointed out why Obama would want to reverse that decision.

hospitals closing???? funds for EMBRYONIC stem cell research???

disclaimer: no cloning. we promise.

lmao cause we believ’em.

Religion sucks.
It had its way with humanity for too long.
Religions are riddled with lies & superstition.
Good on Obama for being intelligent instead of being an outdated moron like those god sucking conservatives.

We went from being a country that celebrates life to one that celebrates death. GW Bush said no to using human eggs as if they were the main dish over at Denny’s on Washington Avenue in Ocean Springs. I’m sorry, but all you scientists and school-read folks out there are plain sick. Anyone who knows about a Christ-centered life knows that this stem cell thing is wrong and out of control. What’s next? Are they going to duplicate people like robots?
That’s why I love that Boehner fella from Ohio. Now if you’re ever gonna do any duplicatin’, copy this he-man up a million times, gentlemen. Just look at him. He’s muscular, trim, tanned and ready to fight the liberals to the death. If we had thousands of John Boehners running this great land, we wouldn’t have any crime. The evildoers like these scientists would be put away so that they couldn’t do any more harm to our future.

I like a guy who fights for America’s values, not some over-educated Harvard-type who talks down to you as if you just stumbled out of the Mississippi Delta over having your head under water for a few days. I’m not sure what I’m writing here, but I’m hot under my plumber’s overalls. God Bless, Bill Orvis White

These stem cells that are authorized for use now, were just being thrown away, literally….so why NOT use them?

Second, Greg. I’m not sure we’re ready to challenge evolution yet. There’s evidence of it around you every single day. It’s not a theory, it’s a reality. There’s just a fringe group of people who still think humans are ‘different’ from every other species……and since we’re ‘different’, we must have been ’sent’ here by the almighty. But, here’s the question: Was everything ’sent’ here? Grass, water, air, trees, monkeys, fish, amphibians, transsexuals, bisexuals, etc, etc, etc……

Evolution opponents, do me one favor this summer: Take a bucket of water, cover it with clear plastic, and stick it in the sun for a few months. That, my friend, is the theory of evolution in full bloom!

If God underpins all natural processes then why can’t he use evolution? Creationist vs evolution debates are a waste of time. It His universe

Obama rocks.

I see that relics from the 1970s are still using nucealr waste as an argumentagianst nuclear power. Too bad these folks won’t admit that they are the prime cause of carbon levels we have now. If they hadn’t induced brainless hysteria in the public mind, we would easily be making 50% or more of out power using nuclear, obviating any ned for the brainless Obama spending fiascos to produce power using obsolete technologies like wind, which has the ability to produce small amounts unreliable, uncontrollable power that no utility would ever buy, except for the stupid regulations requiring them to do so. This massive spending and increase in the national debt will result in higher power bills and an economy that many have estimates wil be limited in its growth in future years by almost 1/2 a percent. truly a brainless set of circumstances that brainless Obama has brought us.

Intelligent design has been proven along with natural evolution. Scientists are on the verge of creating life in their own primortal soup, gene therapy has been around for decades and gene manipulation has been around for centuries. Creationism is just a form of intelligent design.

Does this mean Obama will be handing out the DVD of “Flubber” as his next foreign dignitary?

In the United States, teaching of Intelligent Design in public schools has been decisively ruled by a Federal District court to be in violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. In Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, the court found that intelligent design is not science and “cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.”, and hence cannot be taught as an alternative to Evolution in public school science classrooms under the jurisdiction of that court

Yeah, Obama is going to pour more money into stem cell research instead of putting it into the working man’s pockets. I would hope that more of the general public would be worried about their job than doing stem cell research at this point and time.

Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District so the courts have ruled that the schools can’t teach about gene manipulation such as how dogs came about or gene therapy because by definition those are intelligent designs. So much for showing those kids glowing green pigs.

Finally…a president that has some sense in him. Now we all knew that Obama’s statement was going to cause a big debate. Any topic involving religion generally does. I don’t understand why one theory has to be more right than the other. Teach kids all the theories of how we, as humans and life in general, came to be and let them decide what they want to believe for themselves. I feel like we’re all too worried about stepping on someone’s toes. We don’t ever want to offend anyone by teaching something that goes against the grain of traditionalism. Eventually we will all realize that change can be good. It is necessary for modernization and growth in society. Some people are just going to have to learn to adapt to new ideas.

Finally…a president that has some sense in him. Now we all knew that Obama’s statement was going to cause a big debate. Any topic involving religion generally does. I don’t understand why one theory has to be more right than the other. Teach kids all the theories of how we, as humans and life in general, came to be and let them decide what they want to believe for themselves. I feel like we’re all too worried about stepping on someone’s toes. We don’t ever want to offend anyone by teaching something that goes against the grain of traditionalism. Eventually we will all realize that change can be good. It is necessary for modernization and growth in society. Some people are just going to have to learn to adapt to new ideas.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that if there were one iota of intelligence behind the creation of the human body, it would look and behave very differently than the one we have. Also, the first thing a scientist worth his/her salt learns is, that it is OK to say, “I don’t know.” But never, “That cannot ever be known.”

Kerry,

You used the word, “brainless,” for Obama’s policies yet you spell “nuclear” as “nucealr.” Spoken like a true Bush supporter…Talk about brainless…

Jed Clampett

Those who think evolution and creation are incompatible are merely too selfish to understand that a superior being might just use something as slow, deliberate and perfect as evolution as a vehicle to creation. They seem to think that one of God’s days has to be the same length as their days or all of creation will dissolve around them. These are the same people that justify their misdeeds as ‘doing the lord’s work’.

g-man, you are a wonderchild and an example to us all. Thank you for pointing out this egregious error and speaking truth to power.

It is foolhardy to ‘attack’ the “War On Drugs,” just as it is to attack the “War On Terror.” It’s a matter of semantics.

Take a different approach, ala Coach, and legalize ALL drugs, then regulate the chit out of them. The war ends and revenues increase.

Jed Clampett

Has anyone else noticed that those who rile against abortion rights as an abomination on the sanctity of life and ‘playing God’, seem to be the same one’s who don’t mind scientists ‘playing God’ with genetic manipulation of organisms that are used for food, without as much as a basic study on the effects of this manipulation on the consumers and environment.

The reason Bushney withdrew Federal funding from t-cell work and embryonic stem cell research was not some ‘holy crusade’ to protect the sanctity of a fetus, it is obvious that that kind of being cares nothing about life other than it’s own, regardless of the subjects station in life. The purpose of withdrawing funding was to keep the research private and away from the peering eyes of government regulators and overseers. The purpose is not to prevent human cloning, that is their aim, the purpose is to keep human cloning away from the spotlight that might prevent them from achieving their aim of everlasting life and control of others, to avoid responsibility and accountability to a higher power if there happens to be one higher than themselves.

This will definitely help revive industry here in Southern California. Bush pulled the carpet out from a significant growth factor in the local local economy eight years ago. Hope the expertise and money haven’t gone elsewhere by now.

Bush killed stemcell research because of pressure from two groups: Pharma and Church.

Pharma doesn’t want disease-free people. And, the church hates everything, except people with ‘faith’.

Mayday

You’re probably not smart enough to make this sentiment worth anything, but that is idiotic. Pharmaceutical companies want stem-cell research more than anyone because the windfall for discovering a new drug to combat Parkinson’s or diabetes would be astronomical. And since no one will correct a fellow liberal’s non-sensical logic, I just had to mention how dumb that it.

By the way (speaking of dumb), please realize that embryonic stem cell research has never been illegal in his country and adult stem cell research has been supported by federal funds since the 2001 “Bush Compromise”. Obama’s decision simply opens up federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Albeit an unproven territory, this is still a important change to fix a Bush administration wrong (for only going halfway on the issue).

Jed Clampett

Now that’s what I call civility.

“You’re probably not smart enough to make this sentiment worth anything, but that is idiotic. …no one will correct a fellow liberal’s non-sensical logic, I just had to mention how dumb that it…”

feed your ego much?
I wonder if that sort of language is meant to foster civilized debate or merely attempting to be inflammatory, derogatory and egotistical?

CCo, oh so wise one. Wait, was there anything in your rant that proved me wrong? Or, was that just your usual self? Do yourself a favor: Grow up.

Yeah, your statement makes a lot of sense. Big Pharma wants healthy people because it will be a ‘windfall’ for them……..

Wait, was there anything in your rant that proved me wrong?

History, facts, logic… medical companies are paying for this type of research. Would you also like for me to prove that the moon isn’t made of cheese or can we use logic there too? You’re wrong and you don’t think.

Jed. Shut up. You are by far the biggest liar with the most vitriol of any person on this site. You also are smart enough to realize that pharmaceutical companies are in no way stopping embryonic stem cell research.

Jed Clampett

I’ll take that as an affirmative response to my second question.

If you had a modicum of comprehension you would realize I did not write about pharmaceutical companies stopping research. Perhaps if you weren’t as ‘dumb’ and ‘ignorant’ as you like to accuse others of being, you would recognize this.
Projection (the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself, or to regard external reality as embodying such feelings, thoughts, etc., in some way; such an ascription relieving the ego of a sense of guilt or other intolerable feeling.) is a symptom of a troubled mind, you should work on trying to remedy that so you don’t inadvertently expose your ignorance when attempting to appear informed.

CCo, AGAIN, prove me wrong. Just saying ‘history, facts, blah, blah’ doesn’t fly here ma’am. Debating with you is like having a conversation with an ADHD inflicted chimpanzee glazing himself in syrup. It’s ridiculous.

Give me the history, facts, and logic (that’s a stretch).

Just to sum up MY thinking: Give the board members of ANY pharmaceutical company cancer, and we’ll have a cure in a week…….

Keep pounding that chest of yours CCo. Somebody’s bound to listen.

Pharmaceutical companies make money on making effective drugs to combat illness. That is the industry. No statistics needed. No one agrees with you because you are describing a non-sensical lie.

Gee, Cc, thanks for telling me that I was perpetrating a non-sensical lie. I had no idea. I’m so glad you cleared that up for me.

Wait, did you? Did you clear anything up? Not at all.