Not all Kansans are uneasy about it, just the ass-hole Brownback and his followers.

Alcatraz is a California state park and thus a tourist attraction already. It costs far too much to house people there, which is why it closed in 1963. Cute idea though. How about they stay with the Palin family in Alaska?

“Parading” POWs is a war crime. For instance when Saddam put POWs on TV during the first conflict with Iraq, that was a war crime. The prisoners have to be redefined for it to work. For instance, American Idol contestants are “locked up” unless they are released or win. If the prinoners were contestants of “Gay Wear” models strutting the latest stuff in Gay Pride Parade clothing then they could be paraded around on a whim and since they would be contestants instead of criminals, judges couldn’t do anything when they are locked up. To sign up, they just need to be captured by U.S. or allied forces. The winner would be the Gay Pride Parade mascot. Since these contestants would be in San Francisco, everything would be right there to do this.

Rollingstoned took my comment down how progressive of you.

Aren’t terrorists a problem? Can’t live with them, can’t shoot them. I like the idea of putting them on show at Alcatraz. It would attrack their loony friends to try and bust them out. Then those idiots could be captured.Maybe. Unless the authorities stuff up, and that can’t happen, can it??!!

Jed Clampett

Yes DJ, they are…

I dislike the way the word terrorists is being tossed about by the extremists in the halls of power and then diffused throughout the collective consciousness by their lemmings. Since they use it so much, let’s analyze it’s meaning and it’s purpose.
Terrorist:
1.a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2.a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3.(formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4.an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective
5.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

Terrorism:
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Take particular notice of this one… the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
Especially for political purposes.

A terrorist does what they do to put fear into people’s hearts in order to make them react rather than think deliberately and objectively. It raises the adrenalin and puts one in a constant state of alertness, ready to fight and lash out at the drop of a hat.
In Chile this was effectively used by the military regime by inventing an armed insurgency as an excuse to eliminate the political opposition to greed. As the army imposed the political will of those in control of it’s command structure, other external powers gave them the moral, economic and media support it needed to carry out it’s deed unabated by foreign regulators.
I was a child when we watched the French built jets fly from the air force base at El Bosque towards downtown to KILL those that put themselves at risk of death by demonstrating in the streets against the military overthrow of the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende.
Tanks rolled against unarmed civilians and bombs were dropped on the presidential palace on a frenzy of violence that would make Kent State, the ma.ss murder of Russia’s Black Sunday, the Amristar Ma.ssacre, and other such oppression by the on it’s protectorate seem like a day at the park.
Subsequently, they needed to root out those that would not SUBMIT to their will, those dehumanized by the word communist, which typically consisted of the poor. Therefore they created the sensation of scarcity of resources and jobs, to create the fear of destitution among those with, and greater hardship and desperation on those without. They shut down the economy and made everyone destitute and therefore selfish.
Then they set off a few bombs in busy downtown streets to foment fear and discord among the population, mainly those who had been polarized to either the extreme right or extreme left. I can still remember as a child carefully watching from the roof of our house as pickup trucks full of military personnel rode around shooting their machine guns in the air, occasionally getting out on the streets and running down the block resonating the sound of their boots and shooting in the air at ghosts, anyone who dared peek out and discover their tactics was fingered, their homes ransacked, their possessions destroyed, the men of working age taken away and disappeared.
This was OK to the right wing supporters who were spared, because they were supposedly rooting out the ’specter of communism’, typically the poor and those who would not SUBMIT to control by the oligarchy; the educators and leaders of industry who understood, anyone who dared express themselves freely. Torture houses were set up and the dogs of war, trained in Nazi tactics and depravity allowed free rein to dehumanize and instill fear in the population.

Today in this country, the leaders of the right wing in the legislature toss about the word TERRORIST to dehumanize, to justify the use of expensive machinery of destruction to SUBMIT those unwilling to allow themselves to be exploited, their natural resources taken from them, their customs and religious sensibilities ridiculed, suppressed, destroyed, caricatured.
This is being done to scare the population into accepting the departure from their moral fiber, their soul if you will, and partaking and justifying the wanton killing of innocents in order to satisfy the unquenchable greed of companies like KBR, Whitewater, McDonald’s, oil industry and all the others who announced before the invasion that those who didn’t SUBMIT to their will would be excluded from their monopoly in Mesopotamia.
They masked their intent under the guise of fear, mushroom clouds, bottles of white powder, and the boogie man of ‘radical Islam’ even though they knew better, thereby making almost a billion people our instant enemy, increasing our exposure to danger rather than reducing it.
They then refused any expenditures to make the homeland strong, choosing instead to put all our money into corporations engaged in an unjust, unnecessary, ill conceived adventure in the desert rather than the difficult mountainous terrain and proximity to the true disseminator of terror.
In order to remain POPULAR and still enjoy the support of a vocal minority (those making healthy salaries) they instituted tax cuts that drained the treasury and made sure their friends in foreign lands would stand to make millions from the loans necessary to conduct their campaign.
I could go on for days, that is for another forum, another medium, but I think you get my point.

In order to protect ourselves effectively, we must make deliberate, conscious efforts to recognize our true enemy, be it foreign or DOMESTIC and act appropriately, not like immoral heathens who give up the pillars of their democracy for expediency and safety’s sake.

Those allied against the tenets of freedom manifested their intent to subvert the will of the people a few days into the new administration via it’s two biggest megaphones, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly, unashamedly stating their intent to cause the failure of the new administration so as to advance their own selfish, monopolistic intent, backed up by the full support of the News Organization headed by a foreigner intent on world domination (much reminiscent of the plot of a James Bond movie) and echoed in other organizations by the hostile tone taken to the members of the new administration on the TV screens a scant 4 days after taking office.

What I am saying is, beware my friends. There are those who hate freedom, liberty and the prosperity of others and would reserve such for themselves. By monopolizing industries and making themselves ‘too big to fail’ they have allowed themselves license to steal, enslave and pillage the natural resources of this planet as well as this nation, without concern for the safety or happyness of it’s citizens.

Our democracy is in great peril, corporate pirates have been at the helm. Act accordingly, deliberately, carefully. Our enemy wants us to react violently, irrationally, in order to discredit us, demonize us and justify the use of advanced technologies of destruction upon our nation. RESIST, SUBMIT to peaceful intelligence and the justice of righteousness. Don’t allow them to SUBJECT us to their whims via unfair laws and collusion behind closed doors.

Peace, it’s our enemy’s anathema.
(let the recriminations begin)

“I have stood here before inside the pouring rain
With the world turning circles running round my brain
I guess I’m always hoping that you’ll end this reign
But it’s my destiny to be the king of pain

There’s a king on a throne with his eyes torn out
There’s a blind man looking for a shadow of doubt
There’s a rich man sleeping on a golden bed
There’s a skeleton choking on a crust of bread

King of pain

There’s a red fox torn by a huntman’s pack
There’s a black winged gull with a broken back
There’s a little black spot on the sun today
It’s the same old thing as yesterday

That’s our soul up there”

Sting- King of pain (do you know what it means)

Would somebody, anybody, please post an explanation for a prison not wanting a prisoner.

If they’re guilty, then why the hesitancy to imprison them?

Or, is it in reality, just another attempt to divide the country between alleged ‘patriots’ and ‘unpatriotics’?

Glad your not a cynic Coach. I can think of many reasons. First of all Alcatraz is no longer a functioning prison, hasn’t been for many years. It would take time and money to turn it back into a suitable prison.

In general why a prison wouldn’t want a “convict”. Most prisons are over crowded these days and they may not have adequate space to and staff to properly watch these high profile inmates. They might have to be kept in solitary due to the fact many prisoners might want to kill them. Who is going to pay for them? budgets are tight all over and these guys would probably cost more than the average drug dealer to keep locked up.

Also if they are over crowded and understaffed do you REALLY want to know as the prison/Warden who let the 9/11 planner escape?

These are not guys do one to three years for breaking and entering. There is also the possibility a group attacking the prison to break them out by force or taking hostages.

Jed Clampett

And we all know how good prisons are at REHABILITATING those who have decided to go against society, right SootSayer?… or is it that society turned their backs on them? Hard to tell anymore, huh? But, apparently putting a couple of million people in privately run prisons to fester for a few years and then releasing them into society doesn’t seem to be working. Is it?
Perhaps if convicted legislators and wealthy fraudsters were placed in with the general population things would change. What do you think?

Peace

BTW- I’ve never heard of a prison management company turning away the cash from the people to house them and inculcate them in higher forms of crime. I wonder why our schools are failing.

I think Alcatraz is a perfect place to house ‘international criminals.’

It’s practically functional already (has electricity and running water and beds). It’s in Frisco, center of Left-Think (and home of TD). And it is VERY public.

‘Operational’ control would be given over to the SFPD, with a sizeable budget. The Navy could provide ’sea security’ by garrissoning Treasure Island and Mare Island, establishing an ‘anti-terroism’ program in the Bay Area which would be a big economic boom. (Why are all such ‘doings’ all in the East?)

Small subs and light seacraft could be used to patrol the area, providing valuable training for ‘the real thing.’ They could be kept busy shooing away nosy sightseers. Drones, too. Great training.

And terrorists looking to ’spring’ the baddies would have to stay somewhere, giving the hotel industry in the Bay Area a big shot in the arm. Not to mention some of the ethnic eateries.

Hail, if the terrorists spent a week in Frisco, they’d probably forget all about their anger at the Great Satan. (Incidently, I read that Great Satan in Iran is NOT the same as in English. It’s like the Great Enticer, luring the Chosen Ones, in this case, Muslims, from the ‘right path.’)

It looks like a win/win situation to me. I’m sure if TinMan or Ole were ‘on line’ they’d agree with me. Eh?

Alcatraz was closed because of expense and the pollution to the bay. Not a very green solution, not to mention cost effective.

This is the 21st Century. If we really WANT to, we can ’solve’ the pollution ‘problem.’

Hail, ransom the ‘terrorists’ back, tit for tat. And talk about a tourist attraction? People’d spend big $$$ to be able to walk through the place, gawking at the ‘bad guys.’

Hail, you could even charge big $$$ to have a sit-down and chat session with them. “Tell me Mahmoud, have you ever actually seen Brittany Spears perform? No? Well then, how do you know you won’t like it if you don’t try? Another latte while we watch ESPN?”

It’s a gold mine waiting for a little Yankee ingenuity. How about a TV reality show: “Caged!!” Hmmm, maybe “Screwed!!”

We could have a quiz show where contestants would try to choose the correct ‘terrorist’ from three ‘candidates’ based on false and misleading accusations from unnamed, and highly paid, informants.

And for the tough guys out there, we could have some sort of mano/mano competition. See who can outlast the other in waterboarding.

Is this a wonderful country or what?

I think the terrorists being put anywhere in California, is a great idea.

Nice. My comment was removed. I endorsed your idea. Thought it was great. Good job guys.

This is probably a reason why only about 8 people actually post on here. I mean this is rolling stone. And a crappy site like rawstory gets more user comments.

Jed Clampett

I wonder if the intolerants among us posting on these boards and other forums recognize the terroristic nature of their comments.
Particularly galling is that it is directed at our own nation, our own people, our own morality.
Why do they hold such disdain for all the things WE ALL MUST hold sacred?

DD – I know it’s all in ‘good fun’, but be careful. What we need is clarity of mind and purpose now.

Peace

Perspective, Jed, Perspective.

Our blatherings herein are NOT going to change the minds of those who disagree with us. Mocking them perhaps serves no good either, but it feels good.

Gotta take your pleasures, small though they may be, whence you can.

Jed Clampett

Perhaps…

no reason for you to be restricted as I am.
Granted, little pleasures is what life is all about.

I would disagree however, I venture to say that a ripple that encompasses and entire lake, sometimes starts from the falling of a relatively small stone. When nature wants to act as an amplifier rather than an inhibitor, great things can be accomplished with a little initial push.
And I see your point, sometimes you have to address them in their own language, sometimes it’s the only thing they understand, I’ll leave that for others. Just concerned that you don’t venture too deeply, it’s easy to fall in and difficult to get out.

Peace, it doesn’t just happen on it’s own.

In that perspective, sarcasm IS playing with fire, in this I concur with you. I was probably getting TOO flip. Sometimes I require adult supervision.

let me tell ya a story
’bout a man named Jed.
Poor bloggin bastard
probably never got out of bed.
Then one day he was a talkin’ ’bout peace
when straight out out of Gitmo
we got us some relief–
criminals that is–
hard core!
Well next thing ya know
ole Jed’s in Alcatraz
Show’n fellow prisoners
the tiny nuts that he haz.
Other inmates said, Jed move away from me!
Way down in Gitmo’s where
I’d rather be,
sunsine,
swimmin’ pools
movie stars

Jed Clampett

Thank you for the complement DD, but I’m far from an adult, just a child 5 times over , though a little upset over the pigs pissing on my playground. No matter, I’ll get back to being a stand-up Philosopher again soon, I’m sure.

With what you’ve been exposed to and to maintain your link to what matters requires a maturity I hope to not have tested in such a manner.
Did you feel that? I think your ticket has definitely been validated.

Peace, may it always shine upon you my brother.

Jed Clampet

priceless,

that was pretty funny stinker, not bad for a deceiver. They don’t typically show an ability for creativity. Kudos… at least once.

Peace, it starts from within.

Feinstein & Pelosi are quick to shoot down the idea of housing and detainees by saying it is a national park. With the stroke of a pen, President Obama could change that.

Jed Clampett

They reject the idea because it is a red herring, having so many other prisons around, wasting people’s lives and draining them of any hope, surely we can find a place for them somewhere else.

Why do Republican leaders always cling to foolish, politically motivated ideas? because that is the way to motivate the unlearned and intellectually lazy who eat up whatever the ‘worm his honor’ feeds them.

Peace

Put them on Alcatraz. Re-open that prison! It was built as a fort in the late 1800’s then turned into a prison for military deserter’s. Then into a Federal Prison for SCUM BAGS. And thats what it should be today. A prison for the worst of the worst. like an inmate said “you break the rules you go to prison. You break the prison rules, YOU GO TO ALCATRAZ. lets reopen that place and put it too some use. CHUT CHUT YEA Yo

Peace – Will never happen. (sad to say)

Alcatraz is NOT an option. It’s not economically feasible, would take way too much resources to protect the airways and waterways in and around it. It would be much easier to put them in an ALREADY EXISTING PRISON SYSTEM.

Why do republicans fell the need, AGAIN, to politicize these prisoners?

Yet, again, we see republicans as obstructionists. Again and again and again. Now, they’re complaining about absolute power in the democratic party. Well, I don’t recall too many complaints when those same republicans held the exact same power……

Jed Clampett

Better yet, put them in Preston Hollow.

Peace, the best way to achieve it is to remove those that prefer war.

Once the terrorists are convicted release them into the main population of any of our prisons and watch them get the cold shiv in the shower.

Hey Elly! Someone told me I’m so stupid ‘cuz I got Pa’s DNA. Do that mean I can outgrow it or is it to the bone?

Ever liberal I know claims that everyone in Guantanamo is just a victimized beard wearer who was picked up by an overeager CIA or US military personnel. We do they need to anything but released from here they were captured?

Waterboard them and shoot’em

Don’t you want to apply electricity to their testicles and burn them with cigarrettes first?

hey assnonamus above lol how bought they stay at your house

ohh GFUNK gfunk gfunk you totally went there. ohh yea you did!

I pity the foo whose gonna be transferred there.

WOW unfukin-believable

prisons make me hornie but Alcatraz is like a year long Viegra pill

lol WTF i remember this place from THE ROCK that mvoie was awesome….shove them in it and rape them

when the rest of Guantonamo is cloased the rest of the prisoners will be in michigan which blows what i dont get is why Alcatraz is a problem I think the U.S has enough money but with Obamas needs he spending pretty much most of our hard earned money(taxes) alcatraz will be the best option it ran well until 2 escaped it should have been opened but with no money(californias)

Well, if you make the prisons as bad as Alcatraz, I guess nobody would want to go there. If none wants to go there that equals less crime! Please do not tell me that that is evil.