Let him tell you how it will be, Detroit!

The real movement on climate change will come in the power industry, not the auto industry. Projections show a price on carbon will have a much bigger impact on electricity than gasoline prices. This development doesn’t do much for climate change, since Dingell offered a bill last month that was in line with what Obama is looking for.

A federal judge has ruled that five Alergians have been illegally detained for almost seven years; just about as long as Bushney has illegally ruled this country.

Now, which former soviet country do you think the five Algerians will be transferred to?

Algerians?

Their crime? They were going to go to Afghanistan to fight against the U.S. Hmmm, the U.S. invades a soverign country and if anyone from any other country sides with Afghanistan, then they are terrorists.

Obviously, then, everyone in Afghanistan who is AGAINST the U.S. is a terrorist. “We’re only trying to HELP you,” NATO said, raining down bombs on wedding parties and school.

James,
It really needs to be both.

Another dire development during a most dark epoch for our nation- all starting with the most controversial presidential election in U.S history, (the 2000 election).
Then came the worst attack against our nation on tierra
nationalista ( 9-11), to which war was claimed against a sovereign nation of Iraq all based on subversion, duplicity and Bushes conversations with god the all mighty himself. This was Americas first such attack in history. This has lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of citizens and military personal, while creating over one million refugees. Then came Katrina- the worst handled federal debacle ever. All the while federal debt mushroomed out in record form due to plutocratic fascism and ineffective management of our country.
Then the final blow, untold recession which may turn into depression- record house and job loss, total
collapse of our nations home, banking and financial institutions not to mention the automobile culture and just about every other sector of American life.
They trampled the U.S. constitution, destroyed the middle class and its acquired equity and trashed the economy in the process.

Gee what could be so bad about two ex-oilmen winning the most controversial presidential election in history?

Its pathetic- they should be lined up in front of the Lincoln monument in front of some old winnebegos and shot by firing squad comprised of volunteers!

Jed Clampett

Remember a few months ago I was telling you about deflation? Now that word is all over the evening news. Who would have thought, particularly since the economy was chugging along so well, giving republicans cause to be proud of themselves for receiving huge tax breaks while executing two wars and switching the economy from industrial base to services based. So now you know how screwed up and deceptive our financial system actually was. What comes next? any guesses? Well, when you have that many people loosing their jobs and jacking up credit card debt at 24%, we’ll be bailing out the credit card companies next… oh wait, we just helped them too. I wonder what it would be like if we weren’t ruled over by a bunch of heartless thieves?

Peace

Tinfoilhat,
The power industry will be the site of all the early cuts, namely because it already has viable alternatives. The automotive industry is decades away from zero emissions, if that’s even possible. Plug-in hybrids or natural gas vehicles still emit CO2 and won’t completely replace traditional vehicles for decades if ever.

San Francisco just committed one billin dollars over the next few years to installing charging stations. YES, those same charging stations that were being installed in the late 90s. If GM and Cheney didn’t get the zero emissions law overturned/lessened, we would have had these installed all over the state already. Once a viable infrastructure is in place for something other than gasoline, all it takes is the production of vehicles. And, remember, there’s already an infrastructure in place for WHATEVER alternative fuel source we decide to use. They’re called gas stations. Just retrofit them to accommodate electric cars, hydrogen cars, ethanol, biofuels, etc, etc, etc………

The perpetrated legend of ‘it’s going to take forever to get off gas’ is propoganda designed to inject some sort of fear of change in the transportation industry. If rationally thought about, and reasonably deduced, our demand on gasoline can be cut in half in the course of 3-5 years…….and replaced with a demand on extention cords and switchgrass……which have yet to be a reason to invade a country!

Jed Clampett

How do you guys like that hijacked Soudi tanker fiasco? Isn’t it interesting to realize that $100 million worth of oil is transported without even an armed escort? You know, a small team of mercenaries like the ones we are creating an industry for with Iraq.
Shows you how much it REALLY is worth. Since it’s discovery, oil has gotten cheaper and more efficient to extract, has become easier to process and can now be made into many more profitable products than before, yet, even though it’s value is enormous, these guys have no trouble sending that much through an area where pirates are known to operate without even as much as a small boat escort. You think maybe they realize just how cheap the stuff really is?

I have a feeling this is going to end with a huge oil spill. You don’t think the Soudi mafia (royal family) will be paying $25 million in ransom, do you?

Peace

Personally I think that we ought to tax the sh$t out of gasoline if the prices are not prohibitive. Cheap gas will be the death of innovation in transportation. Without this innovation, we are toast (burnt toast). Carbon trading is not enough.

BTW,

According to the DOE, petroleum (i.e. automobiles) accounts for over half of all CO2 emissions in the US.

eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/g grpt/carbon.html

correction: Petrolium is the largest single contributer according to the DOE. (the claim of ‘over half’ is not quite true, though close)

Jed Clampett

It’s actually pretty simple and should have been done a long time ago… would have been if we weren’t ruled by imbeciles and selfish bastards.
Gasoline vapors explode, gasoline liquid burns. The higher concentration of power is in the vapors, the separation of the molecules makes a chain reaction possible which causes an explosion and complete burn of the material. Tom Ogle was able to make use of this simple principle in 1979 and paid for it with his life a short time later, I’ve recently seen others that have achieved 100 mpg using the same principle.
While there are other ways of improving efficiency and reducing emissions, making better use of the resource we have is the best way of reducing our dependence on oil.
Global warming will only be reversed when we realize the problem has more to do with our destruction of forests, plant life and water rather than emissions. Once we start using our resources efficiently rather than accepting gasoline’s 20% energy efficiency, we can start thinking about things like Hydrogen assists, oxygen saturation and other techniques of improving milage.

Peace

According to the IPCC, 150 billion tonnes of carbon go into the atmosphere from natural processes every year. This is almost 30 times the amount of carbon humans emit.

Jed Clampett

yes, carbon that would be balanced out by the forests and grasslands and algae fields taking it back up; before we decided we were more powerful than nature, nature was in a balance that promoted life and prosperity for all.
Our activities… the destruction of forests, the destruction of viable river systems, the pollution of the oceans and air killing much of sea life, are the only variable that has changed since nature achieved her ‘balance’.
As such, it must be human activity that reverses the process.
I prefer to think that humans are intelligent enough to accomplish this rather than throw up our hands in surrender and simply allow the greedy to destroy our homeworld in a slow chocking death reminiscent of an Autoimmune Disease Syndrome.

Peace

Don

According to the DOE human sources accounted for 5,924,400 metric tonnes in 2006. I think you have your ratio upside down.

oops. Sorry, you said billion. Lemme look at that.

Don,
Misleading at best. The earth is designed to absorb co2 at a pretty good clip. A few hundred more parts per million of co2 may not sound like much. But any amount past the natural capacity to absorb it is (obviously) a problem. Just because we haven’t yet equaled the natural amount doesn’t mean that there is no problem. I have confidence that if you actually read the IPCC reports, you would discover that there is indeed a big problem according to them.

Let me get this straight. Humans produce 3.2% and nature produces 96.8% of CO2 emissions and HUMANS are the problem?

Jed Clampett

D&C, the problem is not how much is emitted, nature had the system balanced to deal with what was being put out by natural processes, volcanos, fires, etc. with some capacity to deal with excess. The problem is that we have upset the balance by removing the majority of the carbon sinks; forests, grasslands, algae blooms. So yes, humans are the problem, those who were entrusted with protecting the earth have become it’s destroyers, an Autoimmune disease.

Peace

Forget Waxman and the rest. Hillary has risen in stature and Obama fell in line. She’s now poised to do great things and take the party back in 2012. Long live women.

How about a thread on the bailout? Or, the war? We are still involved in multiple wars, right? You wouldn’t know it from any media coverage of late. Or, how about the MN recount? That’s still election news (which is all this blog seems to be about anymore). Or, another 911 thread? That generated a lot of interest and interesting debate. What about all of the cronies that Obama is installing? Yes, cronies! Chew on that!!