While I agree Tim that the candidates should condemn these types of outrageous and dangerous outbursts, I don’t recall you getting this upset when the calls were for the death of W, his penguin VP or any other member of the administration. This type of ignorant bull$hit has no place anywhere, and whatever happened to simply not agreeing with a candidate? Since when is it a requirement that one must vehemently hate the other candidate?

The difference is that it hasn’t been proven that Obama started a war for profit, drained the treasury and illegally spied on Americans. The Bush administration is guilty of all those crimes. But, that’s not to say that I think we should string them up; like what’s being called for for Obama in Palin’s lynch mobs…er, rallies. Some accountability would be nice though. But, I’m starting to fear that I may have my hopes set too high. And, as for your last question, both parties need the other one. That way every 4 or 8 years they can point at each other and say that it’s all the other one’s fault. In a perfect world there would be no more Democrats or Republicans. But, since the world is so far from perfect, I’m throwing in with the guy that inspires hope; not the ‘team’ that drives wedges and incites hate.

funny, i don’t recall anyone shouting out 3 or 4 times a day kill bush.

i think you are one of the people who claim to be in the middle but always say, oh yeah but look at you.

Sallad– all that is immeterial…there is plenty of vehemency on both sides that needs to be corrected, but if there was honestly a threat to Obama’s life, the Secret Service would have already done something about it…after RFK, no one is going to get close to a candidate again, or at least in the same sense.

Politics has been nasty since the countrie’s inception…and again, people have a right to say and chant whatever they want, as there are no concrete examples of anyone calling for Obama’s assassination (outside of a few wack jobs)…besides, it is a bit hypocritical to single out only McCain rallies, when the same kind of stuff permeates the liberal blogoshpere and other areas of liberal domain…the pot is always first to call the kettle black, without looking in the mirror…

let the people say what they want, they have a right to say it, whether one likes it or is offended by it is no consequence to being able to say it. It shouldnt be condoned, but if you dont like it, confront it, or dont listen. But dont try to silence people without evidence or simply on the basis of disagreement.

Jed Clampett

How do you feel about this one?

If everyone has a right to say anything they want… how about someone that entices these Iraq veterans who have PTSD and have been denied their healthcare and left on their own because they decided to self medicate with alcohol or pot and got busted, to start shooting the ones in power? Take out the republican leadership and those who follow their rethoric, since it would be justified as they have gone against the tenets of our society of caring for all.
Start shooting out the trucks of logging companies and oil companies because they are destroying the environment.
Start killing the Executive boards of major companies because they actually enrich themselves by denying their workers a decent wage and pay themselves more than they are worth while ignoring moral and environmental concerns.

You would be appalled, and rightly so, because it is a call to violence. An enticement to destroy the civility of our society.
Those would be overt calls to violence.
The republican party has made an art out of subtlety and the use of keywords, they understand the call cannot be made overtly, but realize that by ommission of repugnance it is just as good as support.
That is why the silence of the right wing is so telling and so contrasted by the way that Sen Obama controls his supporters. It is evidently working up the crowds on purpose. I imagine to have the excuse that a fanatic was the actual perpetrator of the crime.
A setting up the stage for the patsy to take the fall if you will. This next assassination will not be a single shot, it will be a bombing that will take out a large group and buildings. Collateral damage is nothing to these guys, McVeigh was merely a product of this sort of mentality and training.

Peace

Killerpizza, given that most who post here are to the left of Chairman Mao, it’s not surprising that you would view my opinions as being skewed to the right. Compared to most here, I probably look like Sean Hanniy, as unfortunate as that may be. I just want to make the point that it didn’t seem to bother anyone when people on dailykos and other liberal blogs were making “calls to violence” against Republicans. That sort of behavior should be condemned by all, but as Merk put it, people will say what they will even statements like those that Jed put forth. By the way Jed, how are you so sure there will be an assassination, do you have evidence of such a plot? It seems like you think there is always some conspiracy at play.

Jed Clampett

‘to the left of chairman mao’

I guess you don’t see that as exaggeration huh?

Not so sure, but the writing is on the wall. The reactions I am seeing from some of these rednecks is actually an echo coming from somewhere else. You wouldn’t believe me if I explained it to you anyway, so why try.

Peace

Yes Jed, that was an exaggeration. What is not an exaggeration is that most that post here are advocating what equates to $ocial.i$m (redi$tribution of wealth, bigger government, etc) so obviously my posts will be viewed as skewed to the right given that the “norm” here is clearly established on the left.
In all honesty, without evidence that there is a conspiracy to get a bunch of ignorant rednecks all riled up in order to kill Barack Obama, no I probably wouldn’t believe you. I’m not saying there aren’t ignorant pieces of $hit in this society that would espouse killing a candidate because of his skin color, but nor do I think it is a vast right wing conspiracy to do so.

Jed Clampett

doesn’t have to be a ‘vast right wing conspiracy’. In fact, those who murdered Kennedy were such a small group that they convinced the nation that tha patsy did it by himself. At least they convinced the followers, and the media helped maintain that belief.
In any endeavor such as this, the few that know, the better. The sheeple that have no problem following false leaders will be manipulated into a frenzy regardless. In the chaos is where the true evil hearts hide.

Why does it not bother you that there has been a huge transfer of wealth from the middle class to the corporations and the executive boards?
Merely because it has been done under the guise of legality or commerce?

Peace

Jed Clampett

apparently, even though they scream otherwise, you haven’t been bothered by the expansion of government by the republican party in this administration. Or the waste of our wealth by privatization into inefficient and expensive programs to replace those that were working fine until they fell into republican hands.
Doesn’t it bother you that the war in Iraq is being conducted by almost as many private individuals in the control of private companies at a much higher price than military personnel who would have accountability?
I believe the term for that is hypocritical.

Peace

I think it is another ACORN plot, planting people in the rallies.

I hate to state the obvious, but these people are obviously plants. Barack Hussein Osama is clearly trying to make himself a martyr. While not explicitly stated, the tactic is implied in his book “Allah Way to the White House.” Chapter 20, paragraph19. Look it up, if you don’t believe me. The same thing happened in Turdistan in the late 1970s. The Dark Monks and their followers hurled themselves in front of buses and trains, stuck their fingers in electrical sockets, and drowned themselves in their under faucet taps. When the Turdistani Bureau of statistics released its annual report which described a sharp uptick in the number of public utilities related deaths, the people demanded justice, ultimately storming the Great Yurt and assassinating the duly elected government. When all the dust cleared, it was revealed that this tactic had been gleaned from an apocryphal text of the late John Stuart Mill. Just because there’s no wiki, doesn’t mean it’s not true.

SWIM,
I don’t ever recall seeing calls to violence on any blog. Maybe I don’t read the same ones you do. Are you talking about the comments sections? I can find examples of that on this blog. Can you show us some example of blog-sanctioned violence from the left? (um.. impeachment doesn’t count).

TFH, for your convenience I researched the archives…

10/30/2007 – Jed Clampett:

“World War is nothing to these guys, they are wealthy enough to weather the storm. In my opinion, they should be the first ones executed upon the start of a global conflict. They cannot be allowed to hold the positions that will allow them to profit off the misery of the world.”

Taj,
If you look at my previous comment you will see that I said
“I can find examples of that on this blog”.

We’re looking for left wing blog content, not comments. Calls to violence can obviously be found on right and left wing comment boards all over the web. I said that I haven’t seen any from blogs or syndicated left wing sources, like say, Rush Limbaugh, or Michael Savage (to name a couple).

It is the blog section I was referring to Tinfoil. Those comments are made by random people just like the random jack offs that yell those things at Palin rallies.
Jed, I’m not happy at all with the Republicans. They virtually had carte blanche and pissed away tax payer money on pork and government waste. Corporations paid ridiculous salaries and bonuses to CEOs that drove the companies to ruin and if those companies were cooking their books, they should be punished for it. But I don’t think that handing things over to a f@#ked up bureaucratic nightmare like our government, which can’t even do a competent job with the post office, is a good idea. I have faith in the market correcting itself as was evidenced with Lehman Bros. being bought out by Barclays. When one fish goes under another one comes along to take it’s place. Yes, this is certainly a period of chaos, but everything in this world goes through various periods of chaos, we can’t control everything.

Jed Clampett

Quite a contrast from when you are attacking the left, huh? Here you can make excuses, see the big picture, etc. etc.
However, you and your crystal ball seem able to tell that democrats will do worse than this administration because you’ve imagined it, therefore it is so. Or is it that Rush and the rest of the bunch that are steering the message tell you what is going to happen? Another ‘free thinker’ perhaps?
While I have seen administrations of both sides screw things up. And I seen how democrats turned on Carter and helped Republicans destroy his administration in order to let Reagan take the reins. Much good that did the ‘common good’, huh?
I realize that this country’s situation did not get this screwed up by the actions of one particular party or the other. Much has been done with bad intent and little foresight. If I can foresee that a senseless war and indiscriminate spending will eventually send the economy into a tailspin, why didn’t the experts? Maybe they didn’t want to see and understood what their ’solution’ to the crisis would be… raid the treasury.
In the final analysis, both parties have allowed themselves to be steered by the whims of the uber-wealthy at the expense of the middle class and the poor.
When RFK was running and he held the promise of helping lift the poor out of their plight, the leadership decided to have him killed rather than allow him the position of enforcer in chief. After what he was doing to the mob, they couldn’t possibly allow him that kind of power. Same reason they shot John Kennedy and Reagan, those that really control the government and the CIA and the media, those with the improportionate amount of wealth, will not allow someone who might upset the apple cart and allow us prosperity and happiness and therefore the development we should be achieving.
Conservatives are about stagnation, they dislike change, regardless of how necessary it is and how bad the status quo is for them and their nation.
It’s sad that you don’t understand just how retarded your country has become. Jay Lenno’s ‘Jay Walking’ is more the norm among today’s youth rather than the exception. Retarded- not developing at the expected rate. In engineering… out of phase with it’s parent signal(nature, and nature deals with things out of phase with it by recycling them).

Don’t know about you, but it seems my mail runs pretty good, considering the amount of junk mail they bring me, a little too good.
So you think that faltering companies and enlarging monopolies is the right way a ‘free market’ should work? man, the education system in this place is screwed up. A free market economy should be a level playing field for all, where lots of companies can do business instead of getting gobbled up by the government assisted huge corporate monsters. Small companies should get government help, but after getting on their feet, stop giving them my money or contracts they don’t deserve. Vecco anyone?

Peace

You know I really wanted to ename Slartibartfast, or maybe Ford_Prefect, but they were taken. Should have just gone with the Arthur’s of the world, or given my sex, Tricia MacMillan, or Trillion. Remember in the Hitchikers’ Guides on who were the “first against the wall when the revolution came” Yeah, that’s right, corporate oligarchs.
However, that’s not my purpose in coming on board today. It’s to finally applaud the acknowledgement of the media that the Secret Cervice may HAVE to step in, something I’ve been going on about for a week or more, and getting put down for it.
Go Tim & all who agree on this issue, which as late as 3 or 4 dats ago I ws getting lambasted for.
I feel a lovely sense os righteousness.

Have a good day!

SWIM,
So you are saying that you know of NO calls to violence hailing from the left-wing media? Thanks for your honesty. Me neither.

Tin Foil– What do you mean by media? TV, Radio, Print, Web? Media is a loaded word, as you can trawl through any number of lib blogs to find crackpots, but you wont find any on TV, a few on radio, and some in print…again, just as those people dont speak for liberals as a whole, neither do the whacks who come to shout crazy stuff at McCain rallys

quit painting one side with so broad a brush…as if the libs are blameless and only cons can be nuts

STOP with the labels PLEASE! All you have to do is look up the definetions of liberal and conservative in the Dictionary and you’d get a clue. You so marginalize so many with your two word vocabulary for everyone. I think for myself, ‘try’ to glean the facts out of the manure and decide. This whole con n lib thing only feeds the Shawn Calimitys and Jane Coulders for the most unfair and unbalanced bias since…well…Sen. McCarthy!
Stop the labels and dig for the truth–its out there if your not afraid to hide from it!

Peace…I Pray!

JB

what about Limbaugh, Savage, Reagan, and the rest of the screaming heads on AM right-wing radio? You can’t say that about them, can you?

Jed Clampett

ever heard the morons ‘bob and tom’ on morning radio on clearchannel? Had the misfortune of listening in a few times and was stunned at what they can get away with. What happened to civility in this country? oh yea, it was wiped out when you committed genocide on the natives.

Peace

Excuse me, but I just want to say Go Jed, you have it all right on.
As for no concrete threats to Obama, B*llsh*t. I have personally heard at least 3 people say they would kill him if he set foot in my city, and I received a personal e-mail from a – former – internet acquaintance in Georgia, holding a scoped rifle, sayig he would never let that “n*gger Muzlum” (sic) become President. And this was a deputy sheriff talking. So don’t try and tell me there’s no concrete threats. That is just plain wrong.

SWIM,

From somewhere in Improbability Drive, let me remind you that there WAS no hate that I know of in this campaign until the selection of Sarah Hatelin as McBush’s running mate, and her inception of hate rallies.

Have a wonderful and fulfilling day!

Trillian, did you forward that message to law enforcement?

Tinfoil, short of Al Franken’s little video where he kicks the $hit out of a right-winger, I have not heard a “media” person make a call to violence. That’s probably because I don’t listen to Limbaugh, or Hannity, or Franken, or Maddow or any of the partisans. Would I wager that at some point, media people on both sides have done so, yes I would.
Trillian, I’m sure you’ve heard people say that they would kill Obama, as I’ve heard heard people here in Chicago say they would kill W if he got elected to a second term. If you believe that it is more serious than just some ignorant a$$hole talking big to make up for a lacking in another department, then I suggest you contact the authorities. I’m not sure what “From somewhere in Improbability Drive” is supposed to mean, but its not like people were sitting around singing Kumbaya prior to Palin’s involvement in the race. I haven’t heard anything in any of her speeches that would fall under “hateful.” Thanks for the wonderful day wish and I hope the same for you.

Jed Clampett

here’s a rather blatant one by the Sacramento Republican party official web site…

seattletimes.nwsource .com/html/nationworld/20082704 74_webcampwebsite16.html

Peac e

I saw that Jed, and whoever is responsible for it should be publicly fired and prosecuted if possible. That type of repugnant and vile politicking has no place anywhere. The Republican party should be ashamed of such an deplorable and pathetic attack.

Jed Clampett

Got a glimpse of ‘Chocolate news’ tonight. Wished I hadn’t. Could television would get any lower than that… appealing to all the worst qualities in human beings. Makes me embarrassed for my black friends that someone would have found that shate funny.

Peace