What a joke!

Well written, thoughtful article.

“the incredible shrinking man” fits the Mccain situation perfectly.

Barack Hussein Osama wants to tax the producers until Amerika is bankrupt. Barack Hussein Osama wants to sip tea with Akministerblojob and LikIlDongs. Barack Hussein Osama hates crippled people and loathes vets. Barack Hussein Osama wants to lower the voting age to 13 and bring back leper colonies.

Nader 2009!

That was the most phallic troll I’ve ever seen. Is there something you’re trying to hide?

Jed Clampett

do you know true evil when it’s presented to you?
how about when it has eaten up your brain and severed your link to nature and all things that are good? Pay attention, he’s teaching you what the depths of hell will hold for those who allow themselves to be taken over. It’s rather sad… daddy didn’t give affection, and the boy was something mommy wouldn’t wear.

Peace

To the man from Beverly Hills that is, Osama Barack Laden and Fitty Cent have flooded the market with cheap sports drinks to which I am shamefully addicted. Their electrochemical interferences are inhibiting my reception of the cosmic vibrations to which you are so well attuned. For my sake, please vote Nader 2009 who has made the levying of a stiff duty on these dangerous products a central element of his platform.

Jed Clamppett

You see, when he was growing up no one would play with him because he was so weird.
Since he was abused at home, he didn’t know how to relate to others.
Eventually, he turned off his good feelings and allowed only the negative ones to flow through.
As he acted out in school towards the other students, only self destructive and isolationist actions took over his soul.
Unable to make friends or hold a conversation without seeming weird or creepy, he became like Gollum. Enveloped by the darkness and loneliness. He so hates the world that he tries to destroy everything that he comes in contact with. A truly spoiled child never really matures, you see, it has given up on humanity and therfore itself.
One can only pity the guy and hope the justice system catches up with him for the crimes he has committed and hopefully he actually hurts someone.
A boy that hurts animals typically grows up to hurt others, that one will be no different.
So do like the rest of the world should do to these creatures, pick him apart, but ignore him.
Reading his tripe isn’t worth the time, and since he is channeling evil, it can only do harm.

Peace

The article states what I’ve been thinking for awhile: McCain is like an old John Wayne movie and Obama is like the guys who founded Apple and Microsoft. McCain = old and outdated thinking. Obama = new innovative thinking. We need new thinking.

McCain is done…put a fork in him

as for Jed/Tajed– you’re both talking nonsense…remember jed, when you rassle with a pig, you get dirty and he likes it

Tajed– you’re just not feeling the vibrations from the cosmic center man…

there. now you’re on the same page

Jed Clampett

Not rasslin’ with the pig, merely describing it and showing the rest of the people what happens when you choose to wallow in filth. I don’t have to read what it writes to know it’s intent.

Peace

Yes, indeed, it’s true. No, no, it’s not. I can’t decide…Yes/No Yes/No I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. Yes? No! YES!!

We have a saying in Turdistan: “if you don’t know how to iron your clothes, find someone who does or people won’t take you seriously.”

Jed,

It’s helpful to avoid using contractions. If you are mindful of this advice, you won’t have to worry about the difference between the “it’s” and “its”; if you find yourself typing an apostrophe, you will know that it’s a mistake. If, on the other hand, you choose to use contractions, you must simply remember that it’s is always a contraction. It’s never a possessive! It’s really not that confusing, because each word has its own function.

Tajed-

Leave Jed alone! I always like reading his/her posts. Yours make me want to puke; typical Republican talking points, full of lies, half-truths and hatred. And, follow your own advice. Nobody here is taking you seriously.

I think Tajed is really Sarah Palin.

“typical Republican talking points, full of lies, half-truths and hatred…. Nobody here is taking you seriously.”

Need I say more?

Since we’re going to be anal, let’s include TD. You don’t “dispatch with” something. You either dispatch it or you might dispense with it.

You COULD do something “with dispatch,” but not the other way round.

Jed Clampett

Don’t engage it directly, makes no sense to even read it’s stuff. I only know some of what it says by reading your responses to it.

They seem the same because they are led by the same motivation, the same force. Much like gangsters that demand blind obedience even to the point of murder, the ones that follow that sort of ‘leader’ utilize the same tactics, speak in similar language, exhibit the same dishonesty even with themselves.
Such is the dark side.
They will use anything and everything to their advantage, holding nothing sacred. Merely look at Bushney and how they used religiosity to convince the evangelicals to support their run at power and the treasury. They had a ‘Faith Based Initiative’, the guy who was picked to lead this initiative retired some time ago and wrote a book exposing the administration’s actual disdain for those who are religious and believe in a higher power. Another commonality they possess.

Peace

The Democrats, the party of openess and love.

The Party where if you don’t vote for our nominee you are a racist.
The Party who instituted poll taxes and literacy test to keep the “wrong people” from voting.
The Party who cries racism when illegal aliens are arrested.
The Party who fought to keep African Americans from going to college.
The Party that founded the KKK.

I am not sure how much more openness and love I can tolerate.

Hey Buddy, just because I got that stuff on apostrophes from Hannity doesn’t make it a typical Republican talking point. It’s quite atypical. Perhaps, we are poised for its adoption by wider Republican circles, but for now, Sean and I are the tip of the spear at the edge of the empire when it comes to the Republic position on it’s/its. I resent the implication that my talking points are leading to your indigestion. Your bellyaching is your own darn problem. Go toss someone else’s sallad!

C’mon Judith, read your history. The ‘Democrats’ you’re citing were a minority in the South in name only. The South had been ‘Democrat’ since the Civil War. When the Democrats became the voice of liberalism and progressivism, shortly after the Industrial Revolution, the ‘Dixicrats’ were caught with their shorts down. They put up a front until LBJ proposed the Great Society. Then they ran up their true colors and switch to the GOP side.

Don’t get caught up in labels, look at the ideology.

I think that was her point you fool.

Judith you hit the nail right on the head!

If you polled school children and asked them who signed the
Emancipation Proclamation, assuming they even know what it is, the majority would saw a Democrat due to liberal content that propagated by the media these days. People forget what the Republican and Democratic history is, kinda like why the Democrats get angry about Bill Ayers being brought up. “Oh, thats history so we need to ignore it.”

“Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.”

Yeah and Thomas Jefferson wasn’t a Democrat (even though he was a liberal).

Who cares? Can we discuss real issues here please?

SwiftSmoker;

In 1995, Bill Ayers (with two others) won the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and was awarded $49.5 million dollars by the CONSERVATIVE Annenberg Foundation. The Foundation had been set up by Walter Hubert Annenberg – who had been appointed as the US Ambassador to the United Kingdom by President Nixon and awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Reagan. The cheque for $49.5M was presented at a ceremony in Chicago by Wallis Annenberg, daughter of Ambassador Annenberg and his wife Leonore and the current VP of the Annenberg Foundation.

In 1997, the City of Chicago awarded Ayers its Citizen of the Year Award for his work on the Annenberg Challenge Project.

Obama served on the founding Board of Directors of the Chicago Arrenberg Challenge project, set up in 1995. The project dealt with the reform of public schooling, as required by the Annenberg Foundation.

If Obama was “palling around” with the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers, so were the directors of the Annenberg Foundation and the following other people who, like Obama, served on the same CAC board with Ayers:

Patricia Albjerg Graham, currently on the Board of Directors of Apache Corporation – the Texas oil and gas corporation and a prefessor of education history at Harvard University.

Stanley O Ikenberry, former President of the University of illinois.

Arnold R Weber, former President of Northwestern University and the University of Colorado. Weber has served on the boards of many corporations including Tribune Co., Burlington Northern Santa Fe Inc., PepsiCo Inc., John Deere & Company, Aon Corp. and Inland Steel.

Ray Romero, vice-president and general counsel of Ameritech.

Susan Crown, daughter of Lester Crown, “perennial member of the Forbes 400 list”.

Scott C. Smith, president, CEO and publisher of the Chicago Tribune; former chairman of the South Florida Annenberg Challenge.

Susan Blankenbaker Noyes, daughter of Republican former Indiana state senator Virginia Murphy Blankenbaker; goddaughter of Patricia Albjerg Graham.

The current president, chairman and sole director of the Annenberg Foundation is Ambassador Annenberg’s widow, Leonore Annenberg. Leonore Annenberg was made Chief of Protocol of the United States by President Reagan. SHE IS A MCCAIN SUPPORTER.

You may have a problem with Ayers, but your handlers sure don’t!

@RTH,
Thats good! LOL!

@ RTH makes a great point. The whole system is corrupt. Barack Hussein Osama and John McCain are both in league with reptilian shapeshifters. Fuk all of them.

Boycott the ballot 2008!

Jed Clampett

I got to hear one of those fireside chats the other day. Quite interesting actually. It was one where he talked about seeing the big picture and what really matters rather than a small self serving piece. How, regardless of political affiliation, he is talking to those with the money and therefore the power to change things for the better rather than acting out of greed. Working for the ‘greater good’ I believe he called it. Quite a powerful statement from a man holding the title of law enforcer in chief at the time. While I don’t agree with all his policies and associations, I guess he did introduce many useful reforms to the raw deal people where getting before as a result of the ‘great depression’.

Peace

Just read an interesting article on Huffington Post about how close McCain is to G. Gordon Liddy – another American terrorist who is unrepentant. Among the many disgusting acts by Liddy was Watergate, of course, and the fact that he set up a shooting range with targets he named Bill and Hillary.

Tin Foil Head,

“Who cares? Can we discuss real issues here please?”

Yeah let`s not look into anything in the past that may be a negative for the Dems and Obama.

Who cares? A lot of us do.

Unless you are intellectually lazy or biased. Sound familiar?

Thomas Jefferson was a lib. Yeah right, in your dreams.

Ok so, let`s talk issues.
How about election fraud. How about ACORN being investigated in 14 states last count for voter fraud.
And I`m not talking about the nut that fell from the tree and hit you in the head!

How about Obama`s campaign giving $800,000 to an ACORN affiliate to help with their voter fraud. Oooh! I`m sorry voter registration. Wink! wink!

How about, that`s the organization that Obama started his “community organizer” career with.

How about, this group has been funded by hundred of millions of dollars of tax payers money.

How about, they should be investigated under the RICO stature, because they are an organized criminal organization.

Now I`m sure you want all this looked into before the election, right??
I mean Good Lord, I know how passionate you liberals are about stealing elections. You guys still haven`t scraped off the “2000 Election Was Stolen” bumper sticker from your cars.

Do you think an Obama-Pelosi-Reed Justice Dept will investigate ACORN after the election, if Obama wins?

Oh,I`m sorry. I made two assumptions and that can be a big mistake.

1) I assumed, that you would want any election fraud stopped, even if, in doing so, it would cause your candidate to lose the election.
Tell me I`m right, yes?

2) I assumed, that you actually even heard of ACORN. (Assoc. of Communities Organized for Reform Now).
Translation: Let`s use tax payers money and every other trick in the book, legal or not, to defeat Republicans and get ultra liberal Dems elected. And also, to get implemented, far left programs that they know would not have a prayer of passing, if they were not hidden or disguised from the voters.

Are those the issues you wanted to discuss?

As an aside: ACORN is also one of the groups up to their eyeballs in this Banking Crash Crisis we find ourselves in today. But that`s a whole other story.

Crasher: Lemme get this straight. Obama is kicking the holy hell out of McCain, and you think he’s cheating? If so, you better have thought the same thing about Bush in 2000 and 2004.

Remember, this is the first time in the history of our country that the minorities are going to come out in full force for a Democrat. Like was stated months ago: McCain has one chance, and one chance only: The Supreme Court.

ScooterDoggy, Ruff! Ruff!

Wow! You read that on the Huffington Post?
Well golly gee now, it must be true then?

G.Gordon Liddy broke into the Watergate Hotel`s Democratic Headquaters. Got caught, was convicted, went to prison, did his time like a man. He didn`t blow up buildings or kill anyone.
He committed a criminal act, with the goal of getting information about the opposing political party.
I don`t think anyone was scared for their own lives because G.Liddy broke into a building.

A terrorist (like Ayers) blows up buildings and kills people for no particular goal, other than to instill fear into innocent people, to advance radical goals. That`s why they are called “Terrorist”. Because they`re goal is to terrorize. Duhhhhh!! Get a clue please!

Liberals lose all credibility because they always make these idiotic morally equivalent comparisons.

And then Ayers, coming from a wealthy Chicago family, hired a good lawyer and got off on a technicality. So he didn`t get a chance to do his time like a man.

If he had taken his own rhetoric to heart as The Weather Underground founder,
Quote: “Kill All The Rich” and “Kill Your Own Parents” he might still be sitting in the slammer, with someone named Bubba making him his b!tch.

But I guess his Rich Parent`s cash $$ came in too handy, to pass up.
What a phony piece of Doggy Sh!t.

Why don`t you libs go on an opposing view point blog site and try to make your case in real debate, instead of kissing each others` rear ends, on these liberal circle jerks.

Jed Clampett

Terrorism is the employment of fear and violence as a policy tool to achieve a political goal. It has been used quite effectively by governments and groups who have a minority of support among the populace yet a largess of funding because they are typically funded by criminal elements willing to make such an investment and don’t care who they harm in the process.

The current administration and it’s supporting political party have become terroristic since 9/11. An event they allowed to happen by ignoring the warning signs and dismantling established security apparatuses because they contained elements of another party. They don’t like checks and balances because those concepts work against their established ways of doing things.
They use the fear of the unknown and the different to incite the weak minded into violence against a particular group. In this case Arabs and Latinos, because it distracts from the real problems, ie. a small select group controlling a vast portion of resources (wealth).

When you look at the imagery and verbiage (HOW issues are presented) being put forth by Fox and other outlets, you recognize that they are using an appeal to emotion rather than reason to present their preferred political affiliates points (Fox has comfortably settled itself into the role of propaganda arm of the right wing). Since there are no real issues they can attest to as being superior in, especially since we have the history of the last 8 years or more of the republican party, they can only appeal to emotion rather than reason. In a word terroristic.

Peace

Coach– you might have a case with 00, but Bush beat Kerry in 04 on the strength of a better organized campaign, and also Kerry’s own blunders…the cheating and diebold crud is all speculation and comes across as dems/libs being sore losers.

Kerry got beat fair and square in 04; he was outmaneuvered and out organized by Rove…00 was a different story.

That said, I dont think Obama is cheating, or that his campaign is super well organized either…its just that McCain is running on house of cards campaign, cobbled together with no real substance or organization…which is why he’ll lose…hell, the Dems could throw a organ grinder monkey with the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man as its running mate, and they’d still beat McCain, the big goddam wave is building (albeit a lot of it is Obama’s personality cult) and McCain cant stop it.

not to keep bitching, but when have minorities not come out in force for the Dems? The only minorities that every remotely vote republican are Cubans and some asians, not a huge part of the populace by any means…

Coach,
Like I said, scrape off the “2000 Was Stolen” bumper sticker from your car.
If in fact Obama blows away McCain in the popular vote in these make or break states, I will not be calling the results into question. And I`m not talking about legit voter registrations even if they do go against my candidate.
What I`m talking about is ILLEGAL, let me say it again slowly, so you understand, I L L E G A L voter registration practices, that are now being investigated in 14 states.
And if it turns out to be a close election by a few hundred or a few thousand votes, then you bet your asset I want it to be challenged.

And Obama`s campaign connection to ACORN was going on way before he knew how well he would be doing in the polls.
They wanted an insurance policy, just in case.
Excuse me if, I don`t want someone who for example has been registered over 70 times in Cleveland nullifying my vote. There are many documented cases.

Again if it turns out to be a blow out in Obama`s favor, I don`t want the results of the election to be challenged at all.
But I do want any group found to be using voting fraud, no matter the out come of the election, to be prosecuted.
Now what is your got a problem with that?
And give it a rest with the 2000 election. A year after the election, the NY Times did a thorough investigation of the Florida 2000 election and they concluded that Bush actually won by more votes than earlier believed.
The NY Times ain`t no friend of Bush. If you think so, you never read it.
Talking about Florida 2000/2004 makes my eyes glaze over. I`d rather talk about Prescott Bush or 9/11 was an inside job.
Let`s keep the subject to 2008.

Jed Clampett

That’s funny, they have to beat the ACORN ordeal into the public’s brain because they have nothing else to stand on. ACORN is being investigated, that is all, not convicted as they want you to believe.
If they were truly concerned with legality rather than beating a drum that has been laid in front of them, they would fight against Rush Limbaugh, a convicted drug pusher, and the message of hate that he puts up on the airwaves. Instead, they hang on a supposition that their party set up as a smoke screen, since there is smoke, there must be fire in their feeble minds.
Nevermind that ACORN has shown that their checks and balances caught the improprieties and prevented them from being implemented. In fact, it was they themselves that caught them and reported them as they should.

Now, the administration has been discovered to be unnecessarily spying on all types of people with no foreign affiliations other than being in a foreign country. They did not divulge this on their own, but where exposed by people with a conscience that could not be part of a crime… yet they aren’t outraged by this circumventing of the spirit of a law their political leadership supported. Time and again, conscientious people expose the transgressions of the administration, of the republican party, and these folks are not outraged at the lack of patriotism of their leadership. Why? because they would rather win at any cost, merely to prevent the better candidate from gaining power to put policies that provide for the ‘greater good’ into practice.
Perhaps, like their misguided understanding of the teachings of religion, they do not understand the tenets of the constitution, declaration of independence and the teachings of the founders put forth in their many writings and discourses.
Self inflicted blindness. ultimately, we have a choice, it’s particularly egregious when you recognize that they are otherwise intelligent people that should understand better were it not for greed and selfishness.

Peace

Crasher: IT’S VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD. NOT VOTER FRAUD.

Let me say this very very slowly, as if speaking to a retard: there is a major difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud.

Yell all you want. But, again, you’re justifying one side while villainizing the other. If you listen carefully, again, I’m not condoning the ‘alleged’ registration fraud going on, because most of it is a bunch of hot air stirred up in desparation. But, as mentioned before, I don’t hear you villainizing what happened in Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004………

So, as far as us idiot liberals are concerned, you should stop listening to Rush, Bill, and Hannity before you try to ‘debate’ anyone. Have a thought for yourself, and maybe we’ll listen.

Dirty D,

You said:
When the Democrats became the voice of liberalism and progressivism, shortly after the Industrial Revolution, the ‘Dixicrats’ were caught with their shorts down. They put up a front until LBJ proposed the Great Society. Then they ran up their true colors and switch to the GOP side.

Would you stop with that old tired inaccurate unfact.
Somebody forgot to tell Senator Larry Byrd from West Virginia to make the switch to the Republican Party. You know, KKK Byrd. The only one in the Senate that I know of, that actually wore a sheet.

And the Liberal Dems call that old fool affectionately the “Dean of the Senate”. Especially when he goes into one of his incoherent rants. Remember his “pretty, pretty birds…speech.

But you are right. It is ideology that is important. And if your claim that the Reps were a bunch of Racist at the time of Johnson`s Great Society and therefor a home for the Dixiecrats to switch to,
then why did a majority of those Reps vote for the “civil rights bill”. Actually joining the Liberal Dems to get it passed. That doesn`t even make logical sense. Remember DD. Intellectual honesty is the bases of all legitimate debate.

It was Conservative Religious Republicans that got the bill passed. And ironically, that`s the one group that liberals love to hate more than any. Go figure!

The fact that a lot of Dixiecrats switched to Reps, had more to do with their opposition to the liberal “Big Gov” anti free market ideology.
And it was not much about any so called like minded Racism.
I`m not saying racism did not exist at all in the Rep Party, but true conservatives were motivated by Small Govt ideology more than anything else.
The votes tell the story. Unless you can find a way to change history. You are always going to be stuck with the facts. And facts are stubborn things, as they say.

PartyCrasher: “And if it turns out to be a close election by a few hundred or a few thousand votes, then you bet your asset I want it to be challenged.”

You mean EXACTLY like what happened in 2000 and 20004? You seem to patronize people up in arms about that……..

Coach,
“there is a major difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud.”

Your are right, voter fraud is the actual act. Voter registration fraud is the planning stages of the actual act.
And they are the same in the eyes of the law. They`re both illegal and you can go to jail for both.
You don`t have a problem with legal, do you?

And you think all hot air, because you`re like smarter than the FBI and Sate Attorney`s in 14 states investigating it. You need to call them up, before they waste a lot of time and money. give them your inside knowledge.

“I don’t hear you villainizing what happened in Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004………”

There ain`t nothing to villainize. Go back and read the NY Times report.

Next conspiracy theory. Have we talked about Big Foot yet?

Melt Down,

2000 and 2004 have been adjudicated endlessly. You don`t like the conclusions. That`s your problem.

Besides, you should be with me on this one. I wan`t to stop a 2008 election fiasco.
Can I sign you up for the cause?

Party Crasher– Both Jed and Coach are right…ACORN is under investigation in 14 states, but wait and see if anything is uncovered (and god help the Obama campaign if there is) before one throws around ACORN as an Obama death knell (which all signs dont point to it being)

Jed– you may not like Rush, but many people do, and he still has a right to say what he wants. I may disagree (most of the time) with the man vehemently, but I will defend his right to free speech to the death…dont take the obnoxious liberal tack and insinuate that only those on the right spew hate and dont think for themselves…plenty of dullards have been sucked into Obama’s personality cult with little thought

call a spade a spade on both sides

if you ever attended a university, were unemployed, or lived in a poor neighborhood, then you probably interviewed for a job that promised you the joys of getting paid to promote a better life for everyone. ACORN, or an organization like them, was probably your apparent agent of salvation.

if you accepted the position, you would have learned you got paid to get people registered to vote.

if you stayed at that job longer than a day, you would have met other people there who faked registrations by going into a coffee shop, sitting at a park, or staying at their apartments all day playing nintendo. they would tell you how to do it, without having to speak to real people, or facilitate legitimate voter registrations.

the people who did this were lazy and unconscienable, but i daresay they were not trying to influence or rig an election.

the employing organizations are on shoestring budgets, and oversight to verify the registrations is minimal. there is no criminal intent on their part; they’re just completely unprepared to manage and regulate the minority of unscrupulous characters bilking them out of a paycheck.

PC,
No, I don’t want to spend time talking about nor reading posts arguing about whether Wallace was a Democrat. As I said, who cares? You can twist it any way you want but the fact remains that in today’s political climate the vast majority of racists are voting republican. We all know that instinctively (maybe even you).

As far as ACORN goes, I have already weighed in on that subject. Though it is still under investigation, my feeling is that there is nothing to the charge. But even if there were, a few registration workers signing up invalid names does not even start to counteract the vote-stealing machine that rove put together with state-wide caging operations and compromised voting machines.

I understand that in a close election either side would be (understandably) up in arms if their candidate lost. You forget that the exit polls gave the last two elections to the Dems with a significant margin. In both cases, the press actually announced the winner as the Democrat before having to change their reporting.

International observers will tell you that when the exit polls are more than 10% off, there is something stinky going on. And indeed there was a veritable stink-fest going on in both cases. Now the evidence is becoming more and more clear, both elections were stolen in the final battleground states.

Jed Clampett

he has a right to speak, not to have a megaphone the size of a national media outlet that is followed by such a large audience.

The fact that so many people follow his rants, like his characterization of a man with a debilitating disease, which are obviously motivated by an evil vein within him and a selfish desire to keep those that give him millions to influence the sheeple, leads me to believe that the only way to prevent the United States from causing more harm in the world is for it to be attacked like Germany and it’s immoral, unnatural regime was attacked and dissolved (Putin seems to be preparing to do just that and will probably get help from the Chinese).
So much for a ‘more perfect union’ and ‘with liberty and justice for all’ A?

When you recognize the vilification of those who might enjoy smoking a plant which is impossible to control and commercialize as tobacco has been done by the establishment and it’s followers, one wonders how this drug pusher can still disseminate his poison on the airwaves with the consent and approval of the wealthy.
Or how so many idiots internalize his poison and don’t recognize it’s source. Interesting that religious freaks ‘believe in Jesus’ but fail to recognize the evil source of Rush’s popularity.

It is quite telling how some of you try to dissemble by going off on historical points that have no real relevance other than an attempt at tainting the opponent. As if it hasn’t become obvious by now that all groups and entities have been corrupted or infiltrated at one time or another. The worst is the self imposed blindness and inability of self policing which worries me. Mainly because they prefer to ignore evil within themselves and their institutions and amplify it in others. hmmm, log in your brothers eye, kind of thing.

Peace

Merk,

Try taking a look for videos using the name Stephen Spoonamore. He is a republican electronic voting expert who is convinced that voting machines were used to steal the last two elections.

Further, what about these 5 – 10 hour lines. Why is it that in Ohio in 2004, that all the broken voting machines ended up in polling places in minority areas? So that even if you weren’t caged and your vote challenged, you still had to spend your WHOLE DAY at the voting place. How many white people would give up voting if that had been true in their neighborhood? You don’t think these things have an effect? If not, don’t try getting a job with the RNC.

We liberals are used to being accused of being sour for no reason. At last, in the last couple of years, many of these issues are being looked at for the first time. The result? Investigations into warrantless wiretapping, Justice Department hiring and firing, and military plants in the mainstream press (to name a few). It seems now that maybe there was something to our concerns.

The mainstream power brokers don’t want us to know that our most cherished right has been all but stolen away. What would be the result? Mass hysteria? Who knows? You have to dig for the evidence, it WILL NOT be a front page story in the Times.

Jed– again, its your opinion that he spews poison or that he shouldnt have the audience he does, the market dictates such things, and Limbaugh has what the market wants…many others will disagree with you, as do I, not on the basis of what he says, but he has a given right to say it, just like any lefties on air america when they devolve into hysteria and spew “hate” (which is subjective)

as for Russia and China invading or anything, they wont. China is tied to our hip economically, a process that will take decades to unravel, and arent going to sacrifice the current contentment (in some quarters) of the Chinese populace and risk another Tiennamen circa 1989 in order to spite us, as they could really give a rat’s @ss about what we do in the ME and elsewhere (as it doenst affect their sphere of influence)

Nothing will happen to us so long as we still have the several tens of thousands of nuclear warheads in our possession, espescially with out nuclear sub fleet…the “regime” is about to be dissovled…its called an election

as for your pot point, so what? Legalize it, and redirect wasted war on drugs money elsewhere…but you wont hear Obama or McCain arguing for that…but again, just because you believe Rush is evil as opposed to being opinionated doesnt make your position right, or that Rush should be silenced.

Tin Foil– Having analyzed the Ohio election inside and out, as I myself was perplexed as to why Bush won in Ohio, but even taking Spoonamore’s account (which is not entirely certain in its accuracy) all signs point to Kerry being beaten in the ground game. Rove knew they werent going to win the metro areas of Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus…so they galvanized the turnout in rural Ohio, going places that no president or party has campaigned in since Ike. Bush in 04 was better organized and better prepared than Kerry was, plan and simple. And thus rural conservatives and undecideds broke immensely in favor of Bush, in such an amount that it counteracted record Kerry surges in the cities (read The Way to Win by Mark Halperin, a very good read on why Kerry lost in Ohio)

that and Kerry was just not that good of a politician…the Dems sent in the one guy Bush could beat…a yankee from Massachusetts with a sleazy Southerner who was run out of his own state…not exactly a winning ticket. Kerry came off as aloof, elitist, and a waffler who never quite seemed to know what was going on and where. Bush kept his message simple, and stuck to it. It may have been retarded, but the voting populace isnt known for its smarts. Bush appeared strong and measured where Kerry appeared aloof and nuanced.

So again, all the whining over voting machines and irregularities (which happen every election) comes across as being sore losers who cant believe they lost to Bush…when they did everything they could to ensure that Bush would be re-elected. At least the Dems hav learned…the Obama Biden ticket is infinitely more approachable and organized than the Kerry campaign…McCain, this elections Kerry, is falling into the same traps…hence Republs will bitch this election

Jed Clampett

I guess evil is kind of like pornography. you recognize it when you see it.
Some folks can go on the internet and oogle the pictures of Asian girls involved in many sexual acts without ever realizing those girls probably never had a choice in the matter. Sexual slaves I believe is the term used.

Just because you don’t recognize what evil is by what evil does, doesn’t mean the rest of the world or the population is that blind.
The market responds to what is fed to them. There are plenty of people that want the right thing to be done, more so than the fools that go through life with blinders on, but they are not listened to because it doesn’t suit the needs of those in control. The board that tells the movie industry what is acceptable or not seems to be very incensed by acts of a sexual nature or nudity, as if they were unnatural, but they love acts of violence to such a degree that nothing seems to be out of bounds anymore. Regardless of how it influences the population, the weak minded ones, to accept violence as a norm.

As for Putin and the Chinese. Never underestimate the ability of humans to be susceptible to the influence of stupid ideas and considerations. Particularly those people who have gone their whole lives breaking the envelope of what is acceptable risk and how many they can sacrifice for their selfish aims. China can destroy the US economy because of that link you mention, without much harm to itself because it has the population in virtual slavery, they can withstand anything, including nuclear winter in underground bunkers. We have groups of military and wealthy who have prepared similar facilities in this country. Their main concern is merely having enough slaves to do the work for them when they need to rebuild.

Like Forrest Gump made famous… ’stupid is as stupid does’ the problem is that stupid doesn’t recognize it is stupid. Just like evil doesn’t see itself in the mirror.

Peace

Jed– You have a point…but ardent individualist in me stresses free speech for all, whether I agree with them or not…that said, it is a bit of a stretch to compare movies to Rush…the MPAA rules with an iron fist, and for too long has acted as an unofficial branch of govt…I’m all for opening up the system. Rush exists because people want him to, many of whom are free thinkers, not because some board somewhere says that he has to have an audience. The audience wants him…whether he’s evil or not is up to debate, one supposes.

As for China, if they collapse our economy, what is their benefit? If our economy collapses so does China’s, as there is no other market large enough for them to run to if we collapse, as we would in all probablility bring the EU down with us. Again, China, as it stands right now, has about 300 million or so unemployed…they mess with us that number jumps to 700 or 800 Million, and the Chinese govt has a serious problem. The govt made a deal with the devil in China in 89…they would keep control, but open up the system economically…probleme is, economic and social freedoms go hand in hand for a myriad of reasons. You should be more worried of China collapsing when their resource and unemployment problems catch up with them. The Chinese government has to walk a fine line if they want to keep control…if anything, the govt lives in fear of the populace rising up again (just as in Iran), because they wont survive a second go round…

Jed Clampett

the great depression proved that there is no better way to get people employed than a nationalistic endeavor such as a war. $300 million warriors driven by the nationalism that has been inculcated into the population’s head via the media in the last two decades since Tianenmen, which was done to counteract any sense of globalism and righteousness people might have, is the perfect preamble to a huge army of bots.

I would venture to say those followers are not ‘free thinkers’ as you believe. They follow those leaders without actually recognizing what their intentions really are. Americans are not taught to be free thinkers, they are taught to be followers, and only some break free from that and awaken from the stupor to become free thinkers. Watch a bit of ‘childrens television’ and you might realize they are being taught to be consumers and followers. When those free thinkers come up with ideas or inventions that do not fit the norm or established principles, they are repressed and ridiculed. Were it not so, we would have started wireless communications in the 1920s and we would not have a dependency on foreign oil. We would have electric power for free produced at our homes.

Sitting here watching the history channel’s history of drugs it is easy to see how the establishment destroys independent thinkers and uses popular opinion to it’s own devices.

Peace

Merky: Rush exists because white people want to hear his hatred vitriol. It’s not the market. It’s racism/bigotry/hatred. There’s a large demographic that still wants to hear those kinds of things. Period. His points get refuted as irrelevant and offbase on a regular basis.

Enough with ‘the market’. ‘The market’ has constantly suppressed evolution in the energy sector even though the public wants it.

‘The market’ wants free health care, but do we get it? No.

‘The market’ is just a front…..

Whoops, I meant a small demographic of unintelligent white people who enjoy hearing things that substantiate their racism/bigotry/hatred……..N ot a large demographic.

And, remember, the market has forced them to listen to Rush, as all the other ‘liberal’ stations have been replaced. You call it market. I call it deliberate.

Jed, would you be so kind as to post a few URLs for websites featuring the Asian girls you mentioned earlier?

Merk,
I agree that Kerry was lame. Even so, you are probably never going to convince me that Bush won either election. The evidence assembled by Mark Crispin Miller in his books ‘Loser Take All’, and ‘Fooled Again’ seems pretty compelling to me.

Then again, I am a man in a tinfoil hat. Try to convince us ‘conspiracy theorists’ that something is not so, and it may have the opposite effect.

I do agree that anyone should have the right to free speech (fire in a crowded theatre exception allowed). There is already so much disinformation out there, what more harm can Rush do?

For this reason, I believe it is imperative that Americans learn to do enough disciplined research to effectively determine what is true and what is not.

MeltDude,
The market only affects the private sector. The Government has never responded to market pressures. Rarely has it even responded to the needs and wants of its own constituents. It has always been and remains perfectly tuned to the needs and wants of the super rich.

Sarah Palin’s Radical Right-Wing Pals

LOL! This is pretty outrageous stuff!
huffingtonpost.com/max- blume nthal/how-sarah-palin-has-excl u_b_134403.html

Sarah Palin’s Radical Right-Wing Pals

LOL! This is pretty outrageous stuff!
huffingtonpost.com /max- blume nthal/how-sarah-palin-has-excl u_b_134403.html

Jed Clampett

I tend to disagree TFH. Rush has found the equivalent of yelling fire in a theater. His inflammatory rhetoric has pushed the sheeple he commands to attack those they perceive as Arabs because they equate all Arabs with terrorists.
I had a discussion with an acquaintance that thinks that the followers of the Koran hate Christians and was somewhat incredulous when I told him the Koran is so brief that I was able to consume it in a little more than a month. He was even more incredulous to learn that surra 3 phrase 3 mentions it’s relationship to the Tora as well as the New Testament.

The Fox propaganda machine and how they present their message has also incited violence against Hispanics by framing the discussion as an ‘us vs them’ issue when reality dictates something totally different.

Instead of making the US and it’s citizens safer, as it would be if all are prosperous, they make us less safe, because travelers to foreign countries will met with those who hold them in contempt rather than admiration and will rob them and cheat them rather than help them.

Peace

PC,

If you have PROOF that the ‘Conservative Religious Republicans’ were, in fact, responsible for the enacting of ‘the bill,’ actually The Great Society was almost 90 bills, I suggest you report it promptly ‘cause a LOT of history books are going to have to be rewritten.

What’s that? Rush who? Said what? Well then, perhaps the two of you can collaborate on a rewrite of history. Unfortunately you’re going to have overcome a sizeable body of evidence to the contrary.

Actually, I think a better explanation for why the conservatives voted to support the Democratic initiated and sponsored legislation might, just might, have been that LBJ was elected in a landslide and the Dems controlled 2/3s of Congress. They didn’t need the votes of the Right to get the legislation passed. Knowing that the legislation would pass regardless of how they voted, some probably figured that if they voted along with the others, sometime in the distant future, say 2008, some gullible, unimaginative dupe of the Right might actually believe that those Congressmen really cared about the well being of the poor and down trodden.

By citing Byrd, you seem to be saying that because he remained in the Democratic Party, that somehow disproves the point that the Dixicrats were racist and/or validates what Judith said. I believe that’s called a Non Sequitor. Others might call it a Red Herring. Can we agree on irrelevant?

Read what Judith said and read what I said. All I was doing was contradicting her errors. Yes, Democrats DID set up poll taxes and literacy tests. Democrats in the South in direct defiance to the national party. You can blame the national party for NOT ostracizing the Dixicrats, and I sometimes do, but that is a whole different discussion for a whole different time.

By the by, I don’t believe I used the word racist in my post. That was you and that was Judith. You’re both paranoid, delusional and wrong.

Jed,
The problem with censorship is that somewhere, somehow, somebody is going to need to decide what is acceptable speech, and what is not. I’m not sure that there’s anyone who is qualified. Speech must be free to all. If Rush’s rants cause anyone to perpetrate a crime, then the legal system will make a judgement about his culpability.

There you go running your mouth again, Dirty Diklikker. A different discussion for a different time, wtf? When it’s convenient for you and the other mindless fools to make generalizations about the GOP, I don’t hear you making a fuss. Your tendency for generalizations is a little too one-sided to be considered reliable. It would be amusing to watch you make an idiot of yourself, demonstrating your self-deception with your little-minded political philosophies, if it weren’t an affirmation to all of the other idiots out there who think the same way. The reference to Byrd was entirely relevant, particularly with respect to your JSM quotation last night. 50 years of following politics has blinded you to your own inherent biases. You actually think you are being rational by choosing sides. People were similarly blinded in Turdistan at the time of the great riots and look what it brought them. 60 years of goulash and not a pot to piss in. BTW, a red herring and a non sequitur are two totally different things.

TinFoilTampon, didn’t you know? Jed is The Arbiter of Good Taste and Personal Virtue.

In 2006 Senator McCain was the keynote speaker at an ACORN-sponsored Immigration Rally in Miami, Florida.

But I guess that’s ok since it was your guy and not ours.

PC,
FYI, Bill Ayers never killed anyone.

Jed Clampett

Bushney on the other hand have the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and several thousand Americans. Not to mention the forgotten lives of the maimed and brain damaged. Aren’t you supposed to make a declaration of war before you invade a country or does that rule only apply when you are the one being attacked?

BTW – remember when UFC was too violent and brutal to be shown on regular tv instead of PPV? I guess those sensitivities have been changed. I wonder where this is leading.

Peace

Jed– just out of curiosity, can you provide concrete examples of Rush inciting violence/hatred against Arabs? Or Fox inciting violence against Hispanics?

Merk,

Granted it is easier to find examples of African American bias from both sources. I did find the following:

On the November 27 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, in response to claims made by King Abdullah II of Jordan, Limbaugh said “[W]ell, let’s just have them. Let’s just have the civil wars … because I’m just fed up with this. Fine, just blow the place up. Just let these natural forces take place over there instead of trying to stop them.”

On the April 12, 2006, Radio Factor, O’Reilly claimed that on the previous day’s broadcast, guest Charles Barron, a New York City councilman, had revealed the “hidden agenda” behind the current immigration debate, which, O’Reilly said, was “to wipe out ‘white privilege’ and to have the browning of America.” O’Reilly suggested that this “hidden agenda” included plans to let “people who live in the Caribbean, people who live in Africa and Asia … walk in and become citizens immediately.”

On the April 23 broadcast of his Fox News Radio show, Gibson argued that the Iraqi people — whom he described as “knuckle-dragging savages from the 10th century” — are at “fault” for the situation in Iraq.

On the May 11, 2006 edition of The Big Story, Gibson urged viewers to “[d]o your duty. Make more babies,” because he had found out, from a recently released report, that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities. Gibson added: “You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic.” Gibson later repeated: “To put it bluntly, we need more babies.”