I don’t think so Tim. The post-debate pundits were easy on her, but she’s going to get thrashed on SNL, the Daily Show, and Youtube. Check out the transcript if you want to see how much material they’re going to have to work with.

Biden gave consistent and well informed answers, while hers were rambling and empty. I expect some comparisons to that infamous Ms. South Carolina speech.

I can see Russia from her podium

true very true

Yeah Tim, you hope and pray so!

Biden’s hair looked great!

She didn’t answer a damn question, and said the same stupid talking points over and over again. Her mannerism seemed forced and contrived. And i don’t like being winked at. And her make up people built up her cheekbones, and she just looked silly and confused a bunch.

I don’t know why anyone seems to care that she didn’t answer a single question or go beyond talking points…i think that the American people are smarter than that…The pundit class, not so much, they are too bust talking about how she didn’t implode.

Who cares if she passed the limbo bar she had as her expectations, we need a VP, not a weather girl.

Chris is right.

For some reason everyone (blogs, pundits) is giving her a pat on the back for not totally bombing. But given all her prep, that was to be expected.

Most of the debate she looked like a middle schooler, using big words that she doesn’t quite understand and awkward sentence structures.

Bungling up a Katie Couric interview is bad, but looking totally unpresidential at the VP debate is far worse.

Most people know that the debates are no longer about winning people over or answering the moderators’ questions. They are about energizing the bases and trying to grab sound bytes.

I know I’ve been saying this for the last eight years, but can we please get some people in the white house that can pronounce “nuclear” correctly?

Jed Clampett

So basically, she did the same thing John McSame did the other night. I forget what the question was where he diverted by going into the Iran conflict that he wants to start for his neocon buddies, seemed so out of place that it forced me to pay attention to it.
The reason McCain blinks so much (and George W stutters) is that blinking is his ‘tell’. His nervous tick when he’s bluffing… or lying rather. Instead of speaking truth, off-the-cuff if you will, he’s searching for his rehearsed response. Haven’t had the opportunity of watching the VP advert which these ‘debates’ actually are… but you should understand that the intended audience is not the American people but rather the 3%-ers. The elites in the world that hold 90+% of the wealth and thereby control everything to such an extent that even if we moved all our resources at once, we would have almost no impact on their bottom line. Palin was saying… elect us, and when the old guy croaks, I’ll do anything you tell me to, even better than George has. Biden is saying, I’m your real president, when Barak gets taken out, I’m your boy.
Someone please explain to me why we don’t vote separately for VP and Prez. It just doesn’t make sense to me that we wouldn’t have a choice with which to maintain the checks and balances with in the highest office in the land. To prevent them from killing each other and leave us without an executive?

Peace

Jed if you haven’t watched the debates, than how do you know what Palin and Biden were saying? Rather presumptuous, yes?

Jed Clampett

did they do anything that wasn’t almost scripted? They had the questions fed to them ahead of time, the format changed from debate to Q&A and were prohibited from addressing each other directly. Unlikely to produce fireworks, but the media played it up as such.

It’s not presumptous to think they gave the same canned responses their leadership is feeding them when you have seen it happen over and over again with ever increasing degrees of isolation from the ‘regular folk’ which these campaigns in a two party political system seem to deem appropiate as a ‘debate’. It’s purely Kabuki.
In reading today’s commentary in the media. Seems I wasn’t very far off.
From what I did catch of the ‘debate’… was Palin looking like her Cyrano was a bit slow in the canned response department? Maybe she was wearing one of those communicator devices like the pres. was wearing in his debates and the batteries were almost out.

Peace

Jed, if you didn’t watch it, you shouldn’t talk about it, especially if you are going to try to discuss nonverbal communication patterns.

Anyone else notice John McCain’s two different smiles?

Biden won on substance, i liked the cool he showed i was afraid hed blow up but he showed class. Palin has a future win or lose shes a national figure now and wont fade like other VP candidates have. Obama-Biden 08!

“Anyone else notice John McCain’s two different smiles?”

Yeah, one for each face.

If we were to use fighting terms to describe this debate, it would be Sarah Palin did alot of flourishing moves but didn’t connect with her opponent. While Joe Biden just walked up and punch her one time and step back with most of the questions asked.

Let me put it this way, if you were planning on playing a drinking game with this debate. You decided to drink everytime Sarah Palin directly answered the question asked her. You would not only be sober at the end of the debate. You mouth would be completely dry.

Sarah Palin didn’t have do a major gaffe to lose votes. She just have to prove that she is an empty suit like her running mate is. She did it with this debate.

You people must have watched a different debate than I did.
If any of you clowns had been ravaged for weeks on end with cheap shots by liberal snobs in the entertainment media. Biased pro Obama reporting in the news media. Ask Hillary? And after all that you had to perform in front of millions nationwide. With the same critics looking, not for information, but hoping that you`ll screw up big time, so that they can pile on more crap. I would bet under that intense pressure, you would all soil your pants.
The liberal media spent weeks trying to destroy her. So they`re responsible for lowering the bar. And she flew over it, Now they bitch the bar was to low.
Biden says in an TV interview that when the Stock Market crashed in 1928, FDR got on television to calm the people. Two problems, FDR wasn`t president in 1928 and there was no TV back then. You want to talk about an idiotic gaff? Yet it was hardly mentioned in the main stream news media and I`ll bet the vast majority of the morons in the entertainment media won`t be making fun of him. They probably think it`s true.
Now what would have happened if Palin had said that?
Bottom line is Palin was cool and confident in that debate. You don`t like her because she`s conservative and you`re a bunch of libs.
You say she`s stupid but the truth is if Aristotle had debated Biden you would have accused him of not being intelligent.
I don`t give a crap if some one can say nuclear perfectly. I just want someone who can keep them out of the hands of terrorist.
And Sarah can wink at me any time.

Stock market crashed in 1929. My mistake.

AF,
You said:
“Biden gave consistent and well informed answers, while hers were rambling and empty. I expect some comparisons to that infamous Ms. South Carolina speech.”

There are already eight documented lies in Bidens answers. So your right they were consistent. But well informed answers? Only to those that are too stupid or gullible to know the difference.

Maybe you should give a Ms S.C. speech.

Mario Fart,
Can you still see Sarah Palin`s baby? That you said was really Bristol Palin`s baby. And Sarah was faking being pregnant to hide the truth.
Not that you would know the truth, Liar.

JP,

I`ll give you a boxing metaphor.

Sarah Palin left ring as pretty as she entered it.

Biden looked like an old beat up political hack. That he is.

As far as empty suites. You can`t name one major accomplishment that Obama has done except getting elected. Go ahead name one. What major tough decision of consequence has he ever had to make.
Unless you want to count turning a bunch of libs into mind dead cult members.
I`ll wait for your answer.

hahaha PartyCrasher has alot of nothing to say…like Palin. If your are going to make fun of someone’s gaffe, at least get the date right. Also, the media haven’t been trying to destroy Palin, quit toting the GOP talking point on that one. And if you think that the media set the bar too low, you have to understand that there are behind the scenes released from the campaigns to the media that shape the news.

And that bitch is not going to keep you safe from terrorists. she cant even keep her own daughter safe from semen.

PC,

What’s an ‘empty suite?’ Rooms to let?

Obama DID take on the toughest Dem since FDR and whipped her fair and square.

Only thing that Sarah Palin won in the debate is being more telegenic. I was watching her more than I was watching Joe Biden.

The point I made is that Sarah Palin didn’t answer any questions that she was asked. Maybe she answered a few half-way before she launched into an unrelated tangent. Regardless of the fact you agree with Joe Biden, at least he consistently answered the questions and gamely tried to debate the facts with his opponent. The difference to me was style vs. substance.

I’m still undecided. Everytime I want vote for Obama, he does something that is counter to the eloquent speeches that he makes. This time voting for this pork laden bail-out bill. All I’ve decided so far is that McCain/Palin isn’t going to get my vote.

Did Biden get botox around his eyes? I found it somewhat distracting. He certainly did win the debate, but his vanity may have helped Palin.

JP,
Bottom line. If you ain`t gonna vote for McCain/Palin and you don`t know if you are gonna vote for Obama, then you`re irrelevant, because that`s the game being played.
Voting for a looser third party is a waist of time. All they can do is muck it up for the main candidates in a close race.
So even then you`ll really be voting for the main candidates.

Chris,
Ha,ha, Dip Sh-t. I wasn`t making fun of him. My point was nobody else in the media is? It`s called a double standard moron.

You said:
“And that bitch is not going to keep you safe from terrorists. she cant even keep her own daughter safe from semen.”

Well, well, aren`t you a clever piece of work.
Sounds to me, like you couldn`t keep your mouth safe from semen.
It`s dribbling out all over your posting.

Good point PC. We should all restrict ourselves to the corporate-approved candidates. Behave yourself and don’t get out of line children.

PartyCrasher, that is a sad commentary about our democracy. Where voters are stuck between voting for the lesser of two evils (Republicans & Democrats) or trying to find one presidential candidate that truly represent what they believe in, but everybody won’t give them a chance to compete equally.

Do you think voting for a “main” candidate really makes a difference? Do you honestly think either candidate are going to represent you beliefs or care about you? They don’t. Once in office, they are beholden to the people who got them there.

You accuse people blindly drinking the Obama Kool-Aid. Between someone who is from Day 1 promises change and the other candidate who promise to continue what Bush has done the past 7 years, can you blame them thinking that Obama could be that inspirational political leader that they have been looking for? Like you, I’m doubtful about Obama. There is nothing that he has done in the past that makes me believe that he will be anything than just a pandering politician.

JP/PC,

As a point of reference, JFK didn’t have all that much of a resume when he took office. He was largely ‘unknown.’ You can argue how effective he was, but I don’t think you can question his acumen, moxie, integrity or guts.

I’m not saying Obama is the Second Coming of JFK, but I AM saying that often the Office makes the Man. Let us hope that’s the case here.

The lack of experience is a wash against someone with a lifetime of political experience. The latter person will also have a lifetime of political skeletons.

The litmus test for me with voting for Obama was: Would Barack Obama voted against the war in Iraq if he was in the US Senate instead of the Illinois senate? With the two major sentorial votes this year, bailout bill and FISA, it looks like he would have done the politically expediate thing instead of voting what he claims is his conscious. That is major issue with voting for Obama. Of course, Party Crasher does have a point of voting with a third party. If my non-Obama vote helps John McCain to win, I don’t think that is something I would want to see happen.

Like I said, I’m still undecided. It’s unlikely that Obama has another chance to redeem his previous votes with another opportunity to vote on another important bill. So, it will comes down to my conscious. Will I vote my ideals or do the politically expediate thing by voting for Obama?

JP,

I’m unsure how voting for BHO would be expedient and against your ideals, any more than voting for Johnny Boy. As you said, you don’t get to be in the hunt in October without some skeletons.

It would not have surprised me if Obama WOULD have voted for the authorization at the time. And I don’t hold it against anyone who did. I think they have to ‘live’ with that vote and if it hurts them, so-be-it, but I try to apply the addage, “walk a mile in my shoes.”

I sympathize with your dilemma. To me it’s a no-brainer.

If it’ll help you, jim, in another thread, says it doesn’t matter, we’re screwed. I’m not so sure, but it’s a cinch we’re gonna get dirty.

JP,

Perhaps this would help. What would be the situation, today, if Obama had been Prez the past eight? McCain?

I think there’d be a BIG difference right now if Obama had run the show and not much if Johnny Boy had been in charge.

I truly think a vote for McCain is an endorsement of the past eight years. McCain isn’t exactly embracing Bushney but he’s hardly repudiating anything that’s happened.