Well, the last thing we need at this time of turmoil and unprecedented government action is a public debate about policy.

I actually understand how either party’s nominee, while serving in the Senate, would want to return to Washington to address a pressing issue. But I don’t see how a guy as clueless about the economy as John McCain would really think he could do anything to contribute to a sensible policy. Maybe he can blame it on $3 million pork projects!

not only would it be a sorry day for the republic, but particularly for harvard law, the legal system, and the entities which spawn practitioners of that trade when one of their own goes down in rhetorical combat to a sailor, albeit a naval officer. with less than 40 days left in this outting, what these ‘debates’ will show is a tired, gray gentleman facing yesterday in contrast to an avant garde, articulate visionary. the two stand in sharp relief to one another. they entire thing could be done with the candidates using sock-puppets and mouthing the words. laissez le bon temps rouler…or let’s just say anchors a-way, yes?

We will pay for everything

John McCain, to the chagrin of his party, threw a gutterball when he selected that ridiculous creature from Alaska as his running mate. The Senator from Arizona who – for better or worse – can’t tell a Baptist from a snake-handler, doesn’t know what he has on his hands. Mayor Palin belongs to the “Dominionist” movement, a cult whose “support” for Israel is highly suspect (the Jews must be gathered in Israel for the Coming of Christ, who will then “perfect” them as Christians). We’d likewise be interested in her position vis-a-vis the infamous 13th forgery known as “Revelation 2:9.” McCain’s obvious ignorance of these matters has alienated a sizable portion of both the Orthodox and Reform Jewish communities. He had a clear opportunity to nominate the young congressman from Richmond, Eric Cantor, but chose instead to align himself with the sketchy Governor from Alaska, a lady who once tried to ban the teen classic “I Capture the Castle” from her local library. McCain’s choice wasn’t simply an insult to Jews, but to thoughtful Gentiles as well. Let’s hope that he realizes his error before it’s too late.

This may just be the first step towards Bush declaring Marshall Law and that he will remain in command until this “situation” is taken care of. McCain will soon say that the election should be put on hold because now is not the time to hold an election.

McCain hasn’t quit running attack ads like he said he would either. At least in IL (Like he stands a chance in Obama’s home state). In fact, they’re getting more vitriolic. But at this point, what’s one more lie? The SS McCain is listing heavily to starboard. The debate, if it ever happens, could be the final blow.

Matthew Anger,
An insult to jews is associating 25yrs with a church who’s pastor is an openly anti semetic radical. Who supports Hamas and their literature and propoganda on it’s walls. Hamas is a terrorist group resposible for the deaths of many jews. They call for the destruction of Israel. The Rev Wright is good buddies with Luois Farakan who says Judiasm is agutter religion and jews are not even human and compares them to rats and pigs and has ties to Mahednutjob of Iran who says on a daily bases that Israel will be wiped off the earth and is developing nukes
So Ithink you may be worrying about the the religion of the wrong candidate.
If you are jewish, and you don’t know who your real enemies are, then you are blind or a fool.

As far as ” All the jews being gathered to Israel inthe end times” that’s a prophercy also in the Old Testament which I believe lines up with the Jewish Torah.
So I guess religious jews who believe in the Torah want to load up the ships by force with their fellow jews and send them to the Holy Land.

Palin belongs to a Evangelical Main Stream Church . They are very pro Israel. So am I.
So Mr Anger dont let anger cloud your thinking

joe’s comment is my worst fear

Party Crasher-
Angry much? I guess I would be too if the candidate I was supporting was so horrible. Ha! In your face, Wormstrom!

Most of you sound like you belong on The Jaywalk All Stars! GET A CLUE!

Sallad
Ha in your face too. I think?
If I knew what the fudge you’re talking about.
Look up coherent in dictionary, and apply it.

It was a bit from the show Futurama.

Sallad,

Sorry I missed that one. I must have been watching re runs of John Wayne in “The Green Berets”. Or maybe it was a Chuck Norris flick with him kicking some Commie`s ass.

A truly Felini like cinematic experience.

“An insult to jews is associating 25yrs with a church who’s pastor is an openly anti semetic radical.”

Wrong. An insult to Jews is associating with right wing Jewish and Christian American fanatics who will not let Jews in Israel make peace with its neighbors. The most illuminating example is John McCain’s embrace of pastor John Hagee, a terrorist who believes all Jews who do not convert to Christianity will be burned in Hell. The requirement for this burning? The end times which will only come about after a war in the middle east. You can read that again moron: John McCain’s longtime political pastor religiously requires that Israel be kept in a state of war so that it can initiate events culminating in the total destruction of the Jewish people. There was an infamous guy who believed in-and acted upon- the same principle in Germany circa 1940. John McCain is not only an insult to and an enemy of Jews everywhere on earth, if elected he will likely bring about their annihilation.

John Hagee has blamed the Holocaust on Jews, blamed Jews for the death of Jesus, called Jews “poisonous” and “spiritually blind,” and stated that a preemptive nuclear attack on Iran-which he favors-will lead to the deaths of most Jews in Israel. This is a dangerous fascist, one who John McCain cheerfully appears with and whose views he obviously endorses.

Do not get me started on Sarah Palin’s pastor’s obsession with witchcraft.

Republicans destroy countries. First it was Iraq, now it is the U.S. through their gutter economic ideology. Tomorrow it will be Israel through their evangelical fascism. Only a self-hating Jew votes for a Republican.

Party beat down,

Beat down on this, moron:

McCain has been attending for many years the North Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona with his family. He was raised in the Episcopal Church and attended Episcopal High School in Alexandria, Va.

John Charles Hagee is the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas

Phoenix Az to San Antonio TX is a hell of a commute for Sunday morning services.

McCain`s only association with Hagee is looking for his endorsement as an effort to get support from Religious Conservatives.
The same thing that Democrats like the Clintons have been doing in Black Churches for years.
That don`t make Hagee his Spiritual Mentor.
Unlike Obama who spent twenty something years with the Rev Wright and said that he was his Spiritual Mentor.
The same Rev Wright who`s good buddy Louis Farakan has called jews pigs and rats and less than human. And has questioned if the Holocaust even happened.
As far as all the so called quotes from Hagee. They are so taken out of context which is what you get when you repeat them word for word from your wacko left wing blogs you get them from.
And please do get into Palin and her so called witch craft. So I can set your moron ass straight about that one too. That`s right, I already know the story.
And it won`t jive with the bull crap you`re reading. Probably the same smear site that accused Palin of faking her pregnancy to cover up for her daughter being pregnant. Only problem, Palin`s baby was born and her daughter is still pregnant.
Use your unproven allegations on your uneducated moron friends.

And the only thing that is keeping Israel from peace with it`s neighbors are thugs starting with the PLO, to Hamas, to Hezbolah who have openly stated that there goal is the destruction of Israel.

It`s real simple. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons,there would be no more war.
If the Jews laid down their weapons there would be no more Israel.

You seem to indicate that you are Jewish. If you are, you don`t sound like a self hating Jew. You sound like a Jew hating Jew.

With the radical left, ideology trumps everything, even blood.

By Warner Todd Huston | September 26, 2008 – 07:46

Bush told the country that we are in an economic crisis and his Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson, came up with an idea that would, it is claimed, end up actually making money for the U.S. Treasury in the long run. That’s all well and good, but the Democrats already have a plan to siphon off any repayment of the people’s money back to the treasury by adding one little line to the agreement that would end up stealing money from any repayments and giving it to left-wing political advocacy groups like ACORN, the National Urban League and the Hispanic group La Raza. Instead of trying to help the economy, the Democrats just want more money for their left-wing political constituents. It’s business as usual for the Democrats, of course, but a bigger question is will the media let them get away with it?

On Thursday, the Senate Democrats shopped around a one page “Agreement in Principle” from the U.S. Senate Banking Committee that laid out their proposal for the bailout of the economy. At first it all seems rather straight forward, but hidden inside this document is one little line that proves that Democrats aren’t as interested in the economy as they are in trying to extort a payday for their favorite political advocacy groups. Yes, even in a bill as important as the bailout the Democrats are trying to stuff it with pork!

(oh and don’t forget the 100 million to ACORN.)

Just checking to see if I can post ANYTHING anymore. I’ve been booted 27 times in a row without using any of the tipoff words………

OK, good. Here goes:

Crasher: Do you, or do you not know of the working relationship the Bush family had with Nazi Germany? Do you, or do you not remember the relationship Nazi Germany had with the Jewish people?

Here’s a refresher: Prescott Bush, GRANDFATHER OF CURRENT PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, sold arms and ammunition to Nazi Germany during the holocaust.

So, based on your villainization of Rev. Wright, et al, on the Obama side, you damn well better villainize the Bush Family and their ACTUAL WORKING relationships with terrorists/dictators……..

The rest, regarding Hagee, Wright, et al, is just pure spin on your part. They’re ALL screwed in the head, but you’ll justify one side.

Coach,

27 times? Wow, think you happened upon some new verbotin words. I had one post erased but it wasn’t worth bothering about. And I sure didn’t think I had used any of the buzz words either.

Wonder if something else is afoot.

As for Barack and the Bushes, judge a man by his deeds. Barack has been a stand up guy while the Bushes have funded Nazis, chummed with terrorists (bin laden) and made war on small, DEFENSELESS, countries.

I don’t give a good crap what Obama’s MINISTER says, I care what Obama says. But, given that we know the religious Right are all pawns anyway, it’s not surprising that they think others are equally feckless.

DD, I think it was Adolf’s last name that kept throwing the switch. Soon as I took it out, things worked fine….

Ahh Coach,
There you go again. Repeating baseless charges that are all over the web. It doesn`t make it true.
I`ve heard that Prescott Bush story
years ago. And it is absolutely bull crap, unless you are predisposed to believe this nonsense. It takes a grain facts mixes it with a gallon of false allegations and shazam you get Bull Crap Pie.
I`m too lazy to google the facts for you. Google Prescott Bush the Opposing Conspiracy Theory. Or something like that, just to hear the other side.
I don`t make baseless charges against Rev Wright. Hell he`s ranting all over the media. And his tapes and sermons are easy to hear. In his own words.
As far as Hagee, it ain`t spin, I`ve seen some his statements that are used to attack McCain and they are taking out of context. I`m not an expert on him. But I do know he is very pro Israel.
And to compare McCain`s one time seeking an endorsement from Hagee to a 20 year relation between Obama and Wright is so laughable, I cant believe your side keeps using it.

Ree,
Nice post. To expand your comment about ACORN. This group has quite a bit of litigation in the courts because they have been investigated for election fraud for trying to register illegals to vote.
Yeah let`s give millions to an organization that wants to nullify the votes of American citizens.
This is the modern Democratic Party.

PC,

Please reread your own post about baseless charges appearing all over the internet. You are, of course, guilty of the same.

And Prescott Bush was taken to task as being director of union banking corporation LONG before the advent of the internet.

In ConSpeak, he was roundly praised for ‘turning a profit.’

A Jew hating Jew? Sorry no. I am a N#zi hating Jew which is why you are my enemy, antisemite.

McCain’s praying to his political N#zi pastor and his insistence on doing so even after Hagee’s anti-Semitism was made clear to him proves how little regard McCain has for the Jewish people. McCain even sings songs about Hagee’s wet dream: bombing Iran to bring about a second holocaust which will destroy the Jewish people. You defend both men because you yourself are bent on seeing the end of the Jewish people on this earth.

Your primary and idiot argument is that Obama has spent more time with Wright than McCain has with Hagee. As asinine a calculus as that is (McCain‘s lack of intelligence makes him more susceptible to idiotic opinions of extremists than Obama regardless of how much time either men spends with them), it misses the point that Hagee is bent on the destruction of the Jewish people while Wright is not. McCain’s policies themselves dovetail with this N#zi’s. Obama’s have nothing to do with Wright’s views. You lose, antisemite.

Republicans are simply racist in that they require every black candidate to repudiate Louis Farakan while not requiring the same of white candidates whose pastors are even worse. It is racism pure and simple. And you are a gutter racist.

How do you like when I embarrass you republican? Does it feel good? Get ready for more b#tch….

Dirty D
“And Prescott Bush was taken to task as being director of union banking corporation LONG before the advent of the internet.”

So! It still don`t make it true.

What`s your point is? That every charge made against someone before the internet is true.
I don`t care if some caveman wrote it on a stone wall. A lie is still a lie is a lie.
Look up the opposing view, or not.
Not my job to change your mind.

Now if you`ll excuse me. That moron poster that called me a moron, just called me a Nazi and b!cth.

Another one from your side, spreading the joy.

He thinks he got me rattled. Ha, ha! This should be fun.

PC,

I apologize for not making myself, and my point, clearer.

I direct you to The Guardian back in 2004.

guardian.co.uk/world/2004/se p/25/usa.secondworldwar

If you’d rather not traverse the web, I’ll provide you but a piece of their story:

“The debate over Prescott Bush’s behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the “Bush/Nazi” connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis’ plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler’s rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.”

Thank you for seeking clarification; we can’t be too strident in such matters. Peoples’ good name are at stake.

Dirty D,

Your right there was a connection by Prescott Bush to Union Banking Corp and Fritz Thyssen, it`s founder.
P Bush sat on it`s board. And worked for an accounting firm that had Union as a client.
Fritz Thyssen did help finance the Nazis in Germany. But in 1938 he had a falling out with the Nazis, over their treatment of Catholics and Jews. He fled to Switzerland and was later arrested by the Nazis.
When the U.S.Feds raided Union Bank in 1942 Thyssen was already rotting in a Nazi prison.
Prescott Bush was found to have only one Union Bank stock share to his name at the time of the raid in 1942. Which is a common arrangement for those sitting on corporate boards. But not much to build a fortune on.

After the war,during his 10 yr political career as a US Senator he was considered a moderate to liberal Republican.
He fought against McCarthyism and championed public housing for the poor.
Not your typical fascist.

He was never a Nazi sympathizer but showed bad judgment in his ties to Union Bank.

You can love or hate G.W. on his own merits. And he is the real target of this smear.
Unless you also want to blame J.F.K. for the sins of his father, Joe Kennedy, who was a well known Nazi Sympathizer.

And Im a big fan of JFK. So don`t go there.

Party beat down,
I`m glad that I have given meaning to what clearly must be an empty existence for you.
I`m flattered that you even name your post name after me. But may I suggest that you change it to Party Pooper. Because you strike me as the kind of person who sits in the corner ranting to himself/herself, with a sullen look on your face. And everybody tries to stay clear of you, less they get sucked into your big black
hole of negative energy.

But for my own amusement, I will try to address some of your incoherent points.

First,You Said:
“Your primary and idiot argument is that Obama has spent more time with Wright than McCain has with Hagee. As asinine a calculus as that is (McCain‘s lack of intelligence makes him more susceptible to idiotic opinions of extremists than Obama regardless of how much time either men spends with them)”

Ok as you say, as brilliant and unsusceptible the “ONE” is to extremists, I`m still confused. Why would he choose to associate with these, as you call them, “extremist” for over twenty years?
I mean would you choose to, let`s say uhhh, hang out with White Supremest or worse Republicans for twenty plus years? Of course to you they`re both the same. But the question still stands.

Second, I would want any candidate or person of any color, with a conscience, to repudiate Farakan and his antisemitic views and not to attend a church for twenty years, which has him as a frequent guest speaker and calls him their spiritual brother.
But that`s probably too much to ask for. So I`ll just settle for you repudiating him.

Now here`s were you really lose all logic.

You said quote:
“And you are a gutter racist.
How do you like when I embarrass you republican? Does it feel good? Get ready for more b#tch….”

Let`s examine this. If I was a gutter racist and all that it implies. Do you really think I would be embarrassed by being called one? Are you an idiot or a moron?
Well I`m not a racist but I`m not afraid to play in the gutter if you like.
But wait, I`m feeling emotional. Boo hoo. I`m getting teary eyed. I have this wave of embarrassment coming over me. Waahh waaah! How can I ever show my face again? I`m ruined for life. Boo hoo boo hoo snivel, snivel. Excuses me while I blow my nose. Honnnkkk!
Pheww! Wow I feel much better! Let`s do this again real soon.
Is that all you got Punk??

And look up the word logic. It`s somewhere between Liar and Loser
in the Dictionary. Bun Boy.

PC,

Nicely done. I, too, read where Mr. Bush had but one share. Not sure what all that means.

While I grant you kudos for your analysis and defense, it may well be that we were arguing on different points: yours being culpability, mine being involvement. The piccadilloes of big business being what they are, I doubt anyone knows just HOW involved anyone is/was.

We both agree, I believe, he was involved with a company, if you consider being a director as being involved, deeply ‘in’ with the Nazis. The U.S. gov’t froze their assets. Call me loony, but where I come from, that’s considered substanative.

I would not be surprised to learn Joseph Kennedy ‘prospered’ in dealings with the Nazis, Joe being that kind of guy. But how much, when and for how long may be of interest. You’ve piqued my curiosity; time for me to partake of a bio on the man. I’ll get back to you.

No matter WHAT Joe may or may not have done, it matters little to our discussion. Tit for tat does not exonerate tat.

It just means Ole Prescott dumped his shares before the raid, that’s all. But, he didn’t dump ‘em all did he?

The fundamentals are this: He kept his ties with said bank even AFTER he found out about its dealings with Nazi Germany…..

Just as George H.W. Bush has kept his ties with Saudi Arabia regarding arms dealings, even though he knows those arms are being delivered to militias to keep the chaos around oil facilities…..

Required viewing: Iron Man, the movie. Motto: Chaos creates massive separation of wealth.

The Bush Family has been involved in chaos for about 100 years, regardless of the ‘liberal republican’ label being given to them. Notice how ALL the Bushes been labeled as moderate, or progressive, or compassionate, but are ALL involved in war of some kind???

“I mean would you choose to, let`s say uhhh, hang out with White Supremest or worse Republicans for twenty plus years?”

You miss the point completely. Obama does not share Wright’s views and would not create policy with them in mind. McCain may or may not share Hagee’s anti-Semitic views (given McCain‘s lack of I.Q. that would probably depend on how much time he spent with him), but he WOULD create policy with Hagee’s views in mind: bombing Iran to bring about a second holocaust.

McCain has already demonstrated how susceptible he is to the views of extremists: his entire foreign policy team is comprised of neoconservative advisors who were responsible for the Iraq war. It seems McCain would gladly spend more than twenty years with them.

Besides, Wright is not an extremist and therefore not even analogous to a White Supremacist. Obama does not spend time with extremists, John McCain does.

“Second, I would want any candidate or person of any color, with a conscience, to repudiate Farakan and his antisemitic views and not to attend a church for twenty years, which has him as a frequent guest speaker and calls him their spiritual brother.”

That’s precisely the point: you would want any candidate to repudiate Farrakan but you would not want any candidate to repudiate Hagee for the sole reason that Farrakan is black and Hagee is white. The name for that is racism and I‘m not surprised YOU don‘t repudiate it.

And this doesn’t even begin to address the point that while Farrakan’s views are horrible-he has called Jews “bloodsuckers” and said they control the media-they aren’t nearly as bad as Hagee’s. Pastor Hagee wants to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the Earth. Farrakan isn’t nearly as extreme or insane as John Hagee and John McCain.

“Let`s examine this. If I was a gutter racist and all that it implies. Do you really think I would be embarrassed by being called one?”

Not only are you a gutter racist you’re also devoid of all intelligence. I wasn’t asking whether you were embarrassed of your racism, I was asking whether or not you were embarrassed by my destroying your pathetic attempt to link Obama to extremists and then turning that very same pathetic attempt on you by linking McCain to Hagee. Now I must ask: are you intelligent enough to even understand I’ve embarrassed you?

“But wait, I`m feeling emotional. Boo hoo. I`m getting teary eyed.”

That’s exactly what Cheney said when he got his first draft letter. Thanks for lending additional evidence to the fact that all republicans are pussies.

Dirty D & Coach

First DD,
Being on the board of directors of Union is kind of an oversight group with out any involvement in running the company. They`re like figure heads.
IE: Hillary Clinton sat on the board of WalMart in Arkansas when Bill was Governor.
I don`t think anyone will try to argue she knew anything about running WalMmart or about it`s inner workings.
It`s kind of like a glorified Notary Public.
The more troublesome for Prescott Bush, was the work he did for the company that did Union Bankings accounting in the U.S. Sorry the name escapes me at the moment.
But most of that work was done before the full scope of the Nazis were realized.
I`m not trying to give him a free pass. He obviously did his best to keep his ties to Union under wraps. I`m sure he wished he could have rewound the clock on that one.
My point is, that he was not a raging goose stepping Nazi like Coach is trying to portray. I mean by 1938, even Fritz Thyssen, the actual founder of Union Banking had already turned on the Nazis because of their treatment of Jews and Catholics. He saw the light and it landed him a Nazi prison.
Maybe in the beginning old Fritz was razzeled and dazzeled by the cult figure of Hitler who promised to bring Germany back to it`s pre WW1 glory. Germany had been treated harshly by the post WW1 victors. Sometimes, by the time you realize the truth about someone, it`s too late.
Something to think about by some Obamaniacs who are turning him into a cult of personality. With his grandiose promises of changing the nation and the world. Based on what even modest achievement in his past? Would someone tell me PLEASE! I`m still waiting for an ANSWER! Before I pull my hair completely out.
Ok I`m taking two deep breathes. Much better.
Coach I might as well bring you into this. You talk about 100 years of Bushes like they are some secret blood cult trying to push Fascism and endless war on the world. George Bush senior fought against the Fascist Japanese with distinction. He was the youngest carrier pilot. He was shot down twice into the ocean. He was 19yrs old. He should have been at a “Sock Hop” back then.
And I saw “Iron Man”, loved it. Robert Downey was great.
And from that I`m suppose to learn what? That in war times your enemies sometimes get their hands on our weapons and use it against us. That some people will do anything for a buck.
It`s a Comic Book character!!!!
I don`t remember seeing G.W. on the screen.
There has been endless wars on this earth a thousand years before the Bushes, Republicans and conservatives. I`m not sure about liberals. And there will be long after they and we are long gone. Sorry. It pains me to say so.

Party beat down,
As tedious as this is becoming. I will try one more attempted at logic with you.
And I won`t even call you a name. I`m begining to feel like I`m back in junior high. And please don`t reply with “you never made it junior high” yuk. yuk.

I`m not asking you to agree with me, just be intellectually honest an make sense.

You said:
“Obama does not share Wright’s views and would not create policy with them in mind.”
How do you know?
And you still didn`t explain why he stuck around if he didn`t agree?

Give me the exact quote of Hagee not hear say. Where he saids he wants to wipe out Israel.
Seeing that the President of Iran is quoted every other day saying that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the world. And McCain wants to stop them from getting the means to do so, by stopping their nuclear weapons program.
How does that show that McCain wants to destroy Israel?

You said:
“That’s exactly what Cheney said when he got his first draft letter. Thanks for lending additional evidence to the fact that all republicans are pussies.”

So? Clinton dodged the draft. Bush senior fought in the war. McCain fought in the war. Out of the millions of veterans who fought and died in wars, I`ll bet more than one were Republicans.
So again how does that make all Rebs pussies?

Finally if Obama was a Rep with conservative policies and McCain was Dem with Liberal policies. I would vote for Obama.
And whether it`s Farakan or the KKK
I would repudiate there views.

So how does that make me a racist?

And please don`t give me the Hagee answer unless it`s with evidence.

I don`t really expect a serious reply, but maybe you`ll surprise me.

And let`s try to play nice. If not I`ll see you in the gutter.

PC,

Nice job keeping the discourse elevated. And given your fondness for Newman, there may be hope for you.

I can’t speak for Coach, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t mean to imply Prescott was some goose-stepping Nazi. Seriously. If I were to label Prescott and his progeny, I would use something like amoral. They are prototype Cons, in my book. I honestly think the Classic Con believes himself ( I don’t believe a woman can achieve Classic Connism) to be above all others, including the law. They see the planet and the people as resources to be exploited. I call it the Penthouse Mentality. They live in their ideological ivory towers and are totally unaware of real life.

Ol Prescott was just ‘doing business.’ That fact that the Nazis were evil never occurred to him. It was just business. Georgie Dad invaded Panama and Iraq with little regards to the consequential human suffering. (And please, if he’d told Sadaam to stay the hell out of Kuwait, you know Sadaam would have obeyed.) Georgie Boy needs no introduction. He is, to quote Sorkin/Cruise, “gallactically STUPID.” Evil? Hardly. Dangerous? Ever so.

I can’t remember particulars, but I know a number of countries imploded (Spain? France?) because of wars. Tomdispatch dot com has an interesting essay on how much we have spent, and will, spend on Bushney’s Adventures. FAR more than necessary to bailout Wall Street.

And I’m trying to think of a link between the ideological crusade implemented by the Idiots In Charge and Wall Street’s collapse. I suppose ineptitude might be the common denominator, but I have a sense there’s a stronger connection. Wall Street is, after all, a reflection of economic confidence. If the administration is burning great bundles of Grants (isn’t he on the $1K bill?) every MINUTE, I suppose a few in Wall Street might get nervous and all it takes is a few to get the shakes. And, Finis.

If I had to choose a single word to describe the Bushs, it would be clueless. And with the latest model, you can sense that one foot is in clueless whilst the other is in idiocy. What would you expect from a boy who got whatever he wanted, was never ‘allowed’ to fail and was never told, “No!!”? You can hope for a miracle and that out of the wellspring of arrogant elitism might emerge a human being, but c’mon, get real.

Crasher: The gist of this whole debate is to show that you justify Republican relationships, and villainize Obama’s relationships. We agree with you about Wright, but you don’t agree with us about Hagee. Or, the Bush family’s relationships. In fact, you deflect and dismiss.

And, the theme that I was referring to in Iron Man, was to cite how many people actually ROOT for war and chaos because it enriches them. The Bush Family is exactly that…..

Justify all you want. That’s your own business. But, don’t try to make Reverend Wright out to be any worse than Hagee. Doing so exposes serious hypocricy and partisanship.

Dirty D,
I`m over the Prescott Bush dialog.
I just don`t care any more.

Coach,
I`m burned out with the Prescott Bush thing. The N.Y.Observer, a liberal publication and no fan of Bush wrote a good and fair article back in Yr 2004.
Beside George W is soon to be ex prez. And let`s be honest he was the real target of the so called scandal.

Coach,

One last time.

McCain is not and never was a personal friend of Hagee. He never belonged to his church. He wasn`t familiar with everything he ever said. He was looking for an endorsement. You know, VOTES!

Now Obama had that much watched televised match with McCain at Saddle Ranch Church, moderated by Rick Warren. Warren is a well know
Evangelical Christian Minister. Obama was try to make in points with religious conservatives. Maybe take some votes away from McCain. Politically smart move.
Should Obama now be held responsible for everything Warren ever said at that church? I don`t think so.
But if he went to that church for twenty two years, was a personal friend of Warren. Warren married him and Michelle. And he said that Warren was his spiritual adviser.
Well then it would be reasonable to conclude that he was familiar with and ok with what Warren was preaching in his church.
BECAUSE IF HE WASN`T, WHY WOULD HE STAY THERE FOR TWENTY TWO BLANKING YEARS?????
I mean daahhh!!!

Here we go one more time:

Again. Nobody’s justifying Obama’s relationship with Wright. OKAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, you’re justifying McCain’s relationship with Hagee. Period.

Let it go party. Let it go….

Coach,

For the last time, there is no personal relationship with Hagee by McCain. You know it.
You guys are so desperate to tag McCain with some kind of extremist connection to balance off Obama`s.
And I have never heard you ever repudiate Obama`s Wright connection. It`s always: What about Hagee? What about Hagee?
And exactly what is it that Hagee said? I`ve heard accusations but never any substance. You got Wright shooting his mouth off all over the media. So we know what he`s been saying.
The reason you and a lot of the left give Obama a pass on Wright is that a lot of you actually agree with much of Wright`s comments. Hell I`ve read similar comments on this blog by libs.

And for the sake of argument, let`s assume that Hagee is guilty of whatever and McCain looked for his endorsement anyway. We`re talking hyperthetically speaking.
Comparing his action to Obama`s would be like comparing someone who shop lifts a pack of gum to some one who robs the Federal Reserve Bank.
Intellectual honesty Coach.

OK Crasher, we’re obviously not done yet…

You know exactly what Hagee has been cited as saying. But, like you said, you probably agree with most of it, right? Things like: Hurricane Katrina was in response to New Orleans hosting a gay pride parade. Or, We must bomb Iran with nuclear weapons to bring to bring on Armageddon and rid the world of Jews. These comments, and others that I don’t feel like digging up, are obviously not considered radical by yourself. Intellectual honesty, remember?

And, if you read my earlier post, nobody’s justifying the relationship betwix Obama and Wright. In fact, it’s nobody’s business. But, Hagee is brought up to repudiate people who bring up Wright. Period. Remember, you brought this up with the following post: “An insult to jews is associating 25yrs with a church who’s pastor is an openly anti semetic radical. Who supports Hamas and their literature and propoganda on it’s walls. Hamas is a terrorist group resposible for the deaths of many jews. They call for the destruction of Israel….” Yet, you don’t think Hagee’s comments are an insult to Jews, or anybody else.

Just like the relationship between Obama and Wright doesn’t make Obama a radical, nor does the relationship between McCain and Hagee.

Then, when other questionable relationships to terrorists/dictators involving republicans are brought up, you JUSTIFY those ones also.

And, remember: Hamas was democratically elected, just like Bush……

Coach,

Oh yeah we are done. I`ve heard all the quotes you`ve mentioned but unlike you I don`t automatically trust statements made on political blogs with an axe to grind. Any thing can be taken out of context of quoted incompletely.
Besides the substance of my reply is that McCain does not have a personal connection to Hagee, except, looking for votes, no matter what the f..$ he said. OBAMA HAS A TWENTY SOMETHING YEAR CLOSE FRIENDSHIP WITH WRIGHT.
Deal with that first!!!!

Continued on next post…….

Coach,

…….continued from previous post.

But to end this once and for all,I went on Wikipedia for some facts. Which I don`t believe is in anyway connected to the GOP, McCain, Bush and HAGEE!
In other words unbiased: Try it sometime.

Wikipedia Fact one:

John Hagee founded Christians United for Israel. It is an American organization that considers itself to be “a national grassroots movement focused on the support of Israel”[1] and justifies its existence through various passages from the Christian Bible.[2]. Operating under the leadership of John Hagee, it provides a national association through which churches, parachurch organizations, ministries, and individuals in America promote pro-Israelism financially and politically.

In February 2006, John Hagee revived a movement focused on the support of Israel. He called upon Christian leaders in America to join him in launching his new initiative. Over 400 leaders, each representing a denomination, mega-church, media ministry, publishing company, or Christian university voiced support and Christians United for Israel was created.[3]

Legally incorporated on February 7, 2006, CUFI is focused on communicating their perceived need for closer links between Christian ministries in America and the state of Israel.

CUFI and its July 2006 Summit was instrumental in the founding of Israel Allies Caucus in the United States Congress.

continued on next post……

Coach,
…….continued from previous.

Wikipedia fact two:

Support for Israel against Iran

John Hagee announced on July 16, 2007 in a speech during the CUFI Washington summit that he is a proponent of a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran in order to save the State of Israel.[7]

On its website, CUFI states that:

There is a new Hitler in the Middle East –President Ahmadinejad of Iran — who has threatened to wipe out Israel and America and is rapidly acquiring the nuclear technology to make good on his threat. If we learned anything from the Holocaust, it is that when a madman threatens genocide we must take him seriously.[8]

Now you may think this is a nutty proposal. But were does it say Hagee wants to wipe out Israel?

In fact IT SAYS THE F@#king EXACT OPPOSITE!!!!!!

…….continu ed next post..

Coach
…..continued

Wikipedi a Fact:

Hagee attacks Christian antisemitism in his book Jerusalem Countdown claiming that Adolf Hitler’s antisemitism derived especially from his Catholic background, and that the Catholic Church under Pope Pius XII encouraged Nazism instead of denouncing it. (pp. 79-81)[41] He also states that the Roman Catholic Church “plunged the world into the Dark Ages,” allowed for the Crusaders to rape and murder with impunity, and called for Jews to be treated as “Christ killers”. (p. 73) Later in the book (pp. 81-2), however, he praises Pope John Paul II for repudiating past antisemitism in the Roman Catholic Church.

Hagee claimed in March 2008, “I’ve learned that some have accused me of referring to the Catholic Church as the ‘great whore,’ of Revelation. This is a serious misinterpretation of my words. When I refer to the ‘great whore,’ I am referring to the apostate church, namely those Christians who embrace the false cult system of Jew-hatred and antisemitism.”[42]

Coach,

Wikipedia fact four:

He also claims that when Jeremiah prophesied in the Bible that “I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks,” he was foreseeing The Holocaust. “The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear,” Hagee writes. “No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler’s Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home that God ever intended for the Jews to have—Israel.”[27] He has made the same claim in a sermon.[28]

Now this is my own statement,I say:

Later you will find references to the jews who had turned from God`s teachings, allowed great persecution to fall on them. Mainly the Holocaust, but also through out history. And God used the Holocaust ultimately for good. Because it lead to the a great migration of jews to Israel and the creation of the Jewish State.
The last sentence is a historical fact.

Now coach this is gonna be tricky for you, but try to follow anyway.

These statements are a theological belief. It does not necessarily reflect one`s political view or suggest to advocate taken action to fulfill these prophesies.
It`s a religious belief based on the New and Old Testament. The Old Testament is by the way the Hebrew Torah. Which many religious Jews believe.

Now you may think all these religious beliefs are crack pot.
It`s your right. SO WHAT! they don`t prove your allegations.

Coach,

….continued…

Fina lly taken all the info in my previous posts in total. I don`t know how anyone can come to the conclusion that Hagee is an Jew hating, bent on the destruction of Israel, Nazi like bigot.
Just the opposite is evident.

If so,I`ve just wasted five lengthy previous post and a lot of precious time.

So if you can`t or won`t accept these facts, I don`t care.

I`m done , finished , finito, The Freakin End.

Beside my original point stands. McCain doesn`t have a personal relation with Hagee no matter what Hagee has been misquoted as saying.

Coach,

I have once and for all answered your Hagee/ McCain connection.

Below in six previous posts all in sequence. I go into great detail.

Posts:

Starting at 10/03/08 5:15 pm EST

Ending at 10/03/08 7:01 pm EST

The one dated 10/03/08 6:47 pm EST has Anonymous as name but it`s me:

Please, in order for this to make more sense to you, start at the 5:15pm EST post and read them in sequence up to the 7:01pm EST post.

I did this in multiple posts to divide by subject and to not loose everything if RS decided to send it to their Black Hole as they have done so much in the past.
Sorry if it`s a pain in the a..
It wasn`t no picnic for me.

Please keep an open mind.

PC,
Your dreaming! If you really think people are going to dig though old comments to pull out your “wisdom”, you are more deluded than I thought you were. Why don’t you let go of your Reverend Wright BS and discuss issues that actually matter to anyone who doesn’t get their news from the Drudge Report?

Tin Foil Head,
I assume you are referring to the six posts. These posts where specifically for Coach. Not for the intellectually un curios . And Wright is not mentioned in any of them. Duhh! And it`s Coach not being able drop the subject, that compelled me to write them. Just so I can get off the subject.
Finally it`s non of my wisdom. They are all facts from Wikipedia.
Ever heard of it? Probably not.
So as usual you are batting zero again.

If I want to discuss anything with you, I try to use small words and really short sentences.

So if you don`t know. Butt out!

Is that easy enough for you?

OK OK! No need to be an a$$hole about it.

OK! Butting out now. You know you don’t have to be such a pr1ck!