Or BP’s…Palin’s husband works for BP…in a state largely dependent upon its fossil fuel resources…hmm…makes ya think.

“Is this the Exxon convention?”
Like you had to ask.

It’s the old white ppl’s convention- you know, the target market that represents the minority of the minority

It’s called real life. In the real world we don’t like paying high gas prices.

Tanya is right-it is the real world-and most people who live in the real world, not elite nature nazi liberals, want us to “drill, baby, drill and DRILL NOW!!!”

On Tanya is not in the real world or she cannot do basic math:

Current daily US oil consumption: 20 million barrels

Current daily US oil production:
3 million barrels

Additional daily production from coastal and AMWAR (within 3-5 years):
3 – 5 million barrels

No matter how you add it up 3 + 5 will never equal 20.

If we’re using 20 million barrels of oil and can only produce 8 million during that time, then it’s time to have a all out war on terror and those nations who support it, including china, russia, iran, venezuela, saudi arabia ect.
Too many people on this old planet, Man Made Global Warming, come on, we need a culling of the herd!!
We’ve cured most of the diseases and can control most of the plagues, we’ve got to the point where we’re good at irrigation and fertilizing our crops, so wide spread famine is out of the questions, we can’t control natural disasters so that just leaves us one option for population control.
WAR.
It’s not a dirty word. it’s population control, it’s technological advancement, it’s social reform, it’s a redistribution of wealth, it’s rebuilder of economies..
Come on, it didn’t do America wrong in world war 2.
Only problem with korea, vietnam and iraq was they just were not big enough.
Besides, America is not going to loose a great deal of our brightest, we’re going to loose some of our “drafted targets” High School Dropouts , but they were more than likely going to end up in prison anyways.

It’s time to CULL THE HERD!!
Then we’ll not need so much oil, food, ect..

Hello, I’m a Maverick.

No, that’s a lie.

Delta, you’re pure insanity. You’ve completely lost it. Time for a retreat…..

NEVER RETREAT, NEVER SURRENDER!!
Hell NO, that’s what liberals and left leaning democrats do.
Never would I retreat, not at my age, maybe 20 years ago, but I’m too old to run now, I’m too set in my way to change, I’m too ” ME ” to be anything else.

Besides, At my age it hurts more to try and run than a good ole ass whooping hurts and I do have a Hickory Walking Cane!!

How was this woman’s “vetting” conducted? Come on, we really want to know, know, know, ah, ooohh. And if you can’t guess what music’s playing in the background, you’re either an idiot,a snob, or 90 years old.

jh_350z has it right. Offshore drilling will not bring down the price of oil. It also not the way to energy independence. Anyone who says otherwise has drunk too much of the Conservative kool aid. You know who was popping the champagne bottles last night?? Big Oil. If McCain gets elected then it will be business as usual for them.

That’s why we need people who are not in bed w/ big oil to lead us. What most people want today is not necessarily what is best for people 10 yrs. from now. Phrase the question as “do you want cheaper gas right now?” and they will say yes. Include real world consequence and long-term effects and those numbers will flip to only the truly selfish (or those just desperate) wanting cheaper gas right now at any cost.

DRILL FOR JESUS! ABORTIONS FOR ALL!!!

It was either an Exxon convention or an old white guys with cowboy hats convention…either way it made me sick.

Tanya, drilling off shore oil won’t make gas prices cheaper. Do some homework. If it is that easy, American oil companies would have been doing it a long time ago. The truth is the oil off shore is harder to obtain and is too heavy to be made into cheap gasoline. It costs more to make, it’s going to cost more at the pump. If you want cheap prices that’s not your solution. It’s in supply and demand and right now demand is way too high and even with the heavy junk in the oceans, supply could never catch up to the pace we’re at.

am deeply offended by the suggestion that pulling American troops out of Iraq now would diminish their honor or remove it completely. The Republicans say “they must stay and fight and finish the job and then they can come home in honor.” This implies that if they are pulled out now they are dishonorable, contemptible. A soldier is honorable because he or she is a soldier. Honor is packed and front-loaded into being a soldier. A person who leaves their family, home, friends to fight for his or her country for 5 minutes or 5 years is ALREADY HONORABLE. To be pulled out of a war does not diminish the honor a soldier posesses. I can’t believe the Republicans are suggesting that honor only comes from victory or when the Presidents says it does. Sickening. Disgusting. And I will make it my mission for the next 3 months to ensure McCain/Palin are not voted for. I’m so offended.
And drilling for oil in Alaska and on the Shelf will not produce usable gasoline for 7 to 10 years. And there is an environmental impact. But considering that Reagan once said something like: how many redwoods do you need to see to see redwoods? One is enough.

am deeply offended by the suggestion that pulling American troops out of Iraq now would diminish their honor or remove it completely. The Republicans say “they must stay and fight and finish the job and then they can come home in honor.” This implies that if they are pulled out now they are dishonorable, contemptible. A soldier is honorable because he or she is a soldier. Honor is packed and front-loaded into being a soldier. A person who leaves their family, home, friends to fight for his or her country for 5 minutes or 5 years is ALREADY HONORABLE. To be pulled out of a war does not diminish the honor a soldier posesses. I can’t believe the Republicans are suggesting that honor only comes from victory or when the Presidents says it does. Sickening. Disgusting. And I will make it my mission for the next 3 months to ensure McCain/Palin are not voted for. I’m so offended.
And drilling for oil in Alaska and on the Shelf will not produce usable gasoline for 7 to 10 years. And there is an environmental impact. But considering that Reagan once said something like: how many redwoods do you need to see to see redwoods? One is enough.

am deeply offended by the suggestion that pulling American troops out of Iraq now would diminish their honor or remove it completely. The Republicans say “they must stay and fight and finish the job and then they can come home in honor.” This implies that if they are pulled out now they are dishonorable, contemptible. A soldier is honorable because he or she is a soldier. Honor is packed and front-loaded into being a soldier. A person who leaves their family, home, friends to fight for his or her country for 5 minutes or 5 years is ALREADY HONORABLE. To be pulled out of a war does not diminish the honor a soldier posesses. I can’t believe the Republicans are suggesting that honor only comes from victory or when the Presidents says it does. Sickening. Disgusting. And I will make it my mission for the next 3 months to ensure McCain/Palin are not voted for. I’m so offended.
And drilling for oil in Alaska and on the Shelf will not produce usable gasoline for 7 to 10 years. And there is an environmental impact. But considering that Reagan once said something like: how many redwoods do you need to see to see redwoods? One is enough.

Nate– BS, the reason why oil companies cant drill offshore in most places is that the said states currently dont allow it. As for it being labor intensive, maybe, but benefits outweigh the cons…just ask any of the North Sea drillers, Gulf Coast boys, or anyone who drills offshore in the Middle East or other places East. Also, if we had upped our refining capacity years ago, instead of kicking the can down the road, we wouldnt be in this situation. And if we add more oil to the global market (which is where it will go), it has the effect of driving speculation down as more oil on the market, from a major producer, will throw many speculators off who will then head for more lucrative waters. Oil is speculated in future amounts, so anything we put up will affect the price of oil…and remember, Prudhoe Bay was only supposed to have about 5 million barrels, and its STILL pumping out oil…not to mention that the Caribou herds have increased, but thats another story…

The caveat is that its only a stopgap. We’re going to have to switch over sometime, but realistically it will take time…we have oil all over the US, its just a matter of piping it out, while switching over to renewable sources. Hello Pickens Plan, Nuke power, and Euro-Green style tech (provided environmentalists and pinheads who seem to continue to spew nonsense about oil markets let them).

It still isn’t going to effect gas prices, cheap oil is the past, it’s non-renewable we’re going to run out. Nearly everyone involved in oil has predicted oil production to peak around this time. We need all of our focus on something different. Even if somehow it turned out these state protected fields turned out to be super fields with billions of barrels of supply and gets gas back down to $2 a gallon, what does that do for future generations? Everyone gets drunk on cheap oil and 20 years later we’re really up against the wall.

What sets me off with the republican party is the simple buzz words that keep evangilists and the old white guys in cowboy hats burrying their heads in the sand and soaking up the denial. It’s never practical. “Abortion” End a women’s right to choose instead of helping educate women on preventing unwanted pregnancy. “Drill, baby, Drill” Enable our oil addiction and hope the masses start investing in alternatives anyway, not going to happen. “The Terrorists are comin’” Wait until those abortion saved babies turn 18 and send them off to die in a very stupid war. Why? Because we’re Americans and we’re too big to be accountable. Go Elephants!

Nate– Sort of…oil production is on the decline, but only in the Middle East (save Oman, which only really started drilling in the 80s, and Sudan) and parts of the US/other areas where drilling has been occuring for a great many years. Theres tons of oil on Earth’s surface, its more a matter of refining the stuff…we’re swimming in oil, but its refining that makes up a huge amount of the costs…not to mention theres also clean coal gasification, and oil shale.

In terms of new fields, underwater or elsewhere, there’s enough oil to go around…just not enough refineries. Theres tons more to the oil problem besides stabilizing supply paired with rising demand…

Repubs, Dems, same deal: let Big, Intrusive Govt poke its way into your life…

No one is arguing that there isn’t a lot of oil left to burn up. Oil running out isn’t the problem our generation is going to have to deal with, that’s our grand-kids problem. Our problem is the half way point, where oil becomes more and more expensive as we use it. More refineries just burn it up faster, cheaper gas just speeds up the future problems. In all honesty, I understand that eventually we will be drilling in these areas, but I’d prefer we start investing in alternatives on a mass scale than finding a way to fill our giant SUVs with cheap gas.

My way of life didn’t change the 8 years Clinton’s big intrusive gov’t was in office, I’m not worried about it changing when Obama’s in office either. I can afford the raise in taxes and I believe in the causes it will go for, but now we’re getting off subject.

If the Republicans make “Drill, baby, drill!” their rallying cry we should respond with: “Spill, baby, spill!”

Nate– Other than the military, can you name a program that your taxes go towards, other than the military, that has been successful. The only one would be the space program, in the 60s…everything else has been a dismal failure, from Medicare/Medicaid, Welfare, SS, Education, etc, etc.

When Obama talks about cleaning up wasted money in govt, then I’ll listen. Money has been thrown at most of our problems for years, yet they’re still here and many are worse. So sorry, I take all of Obama’s statements with a grain of salt until he stops with the same ‘ol same ‘ol.

And Clinton never got away with anything because he had the repubs houndin him left and right…

Merk,

While taking a snap-shot of events, it is possible to conclude that many government programs are not successful. But you need to step back and take a historical perspective. If you go back 100 years and begin tracking forward, I think you will agree that the social programs implemented during the reform period and the depression have been successful. The quality of life in this country has steadily improved.

If you wish to find fault, you might look at how the Right has repeatedly gutted the programs you cited rather than focus on the outcome.

The food & drug admin, for example, keeps getting underfunded and losing inspectors. So, guess what, we get Salmonella.

Imagine, if you will, what the world would be like if the Cons had ‘held on’ through the reform period and the depression. We may not have a perfect world, but we’re moving in the right way.

Junking what success we’ve had because you’re not satisfied is NOT a solution.

Dennis- Dont take my grumping as a whole hog supporting of Con govt spending ideas…they talk a good game, but really just shift money to the areas that they favor

Though I dont think the government should necessarily be in said areas, FDR’s programs were the right thing at the right time. That said, the way his programs have been expanded, handled, etc are totally not the way I think FDR would have like or intended. But who knows…FDR was doing what the times demanded.

Being realistic, I know you’re never going to get rid of those programs. But you can reform and tighten them up. And if the past 40 odd years is any indication, more tax dollars aint the solution. The govt is swimming in money, a lot of it wasted, misappropriated, whatever. Instead of throwing tax money at a problem, actually identify whats wrong with things as opposed to just throwing money and hoping the problems work themselves out…

Right Merk.

I don’t care how big gov’t is. I want SMART gov’t. Maybe that’s a lot to ask, but it’s a goal to strive for. At the very least, accountable. You screw up, you ‘pay.’ Like our elected officials. What? Oh. Never mind on that last one.

I have a lot of sympathy for gov’t agencies. I’ve worked in State gov’t (CA) and with the Feds a lot. There are MANY really hard working, smart folks out there. But they don’t make the rules. It all comes back to the elected officials. You can lay the blame at their feet. And who’s to blame for them being in place?

Like they say, we get the gov’t we want/deserve.

“everything else has been a dismal failure, from Medicare/Medicaid, Welfare, SS, Education, etc, etc.”

What a load of crap! you’ve been drinking the coolaid boy! Social Security has been the model of a successful program, it only needs minor repairs to keep functioning forever. Any other info you have is Republican propaganda. Medicare is in trouble ONLY because the price of medical care has gone through the roof. You know who we can blame for that, right? The Insurance Industry and their republican pals in the legislature. They shouldn’t kill medicare, they should REPLACE THE MEDICAL INSURANCE INDUSTRY WITH IT. A single payer system doesn’t “socialize” medicine. Just the Insurance Industry. They make WAY TOO MUCH MONEY off the pain and suffering of the American people.

Jed Clampett

last year, the CEO of healthsouth had to return $500 million in backdated stocks from his yearly compensation. He still got to keep $800 million. For those not mathematically inclined, that is $1.3 billion in compensation for one man in one year. The rest of the executive board had to do similar givebacks and were getting similar compensation packages. (why not jailtime for criminal theft?)
Now some on the right might think resources are infinite and one only needs to print more money to make the economy keep humming, but when you drain that much money from the healthcare system, someone has to pay and suffer. It surely isn’t the Executive ‘elites’ at the healthcare providers who contribute generously to the republican party.

Peace