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Biden Being Biden

8/28/08, 2:16 am EST

Bill was great tonight. Without having to play Hillary’s heavy anymore, he seems to have little trouble getting juiced up for Obama.

Biden was rough around the edges…. Talking about John McCain’s new taxes when he meant tax cuts. But you get the point. But in contrast to the high degree of difficulty dives Obama takes from the 10 meter platform, Biden’s cannonball oratory has its charms.

Tonight was the best night of the convention so far. Two great and one pretty good speech, with a little Obama tease at the end. But if the crescendo is building, I can’t but think the Democrats missed their last best to rip McCain & Co.

John Kerry did his darnedest. But the TV didn’t carry it — MSNBC commercial breaked through it and then replayed bits of it over cheesy patriotic string music.

Biden and Bill made a few glancing blows, but nothing, I’m sure, like the Obama lashing that’s going to be dished out by Rudy, Lieberman, and Mr. Mitt-mentum.


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thecoyote | 8/28/2008, 3:30 am EST

i don’t think not taking every second to bash mccain will hurt. i know that’s what people want, but by comparison to the republican convention, which will likely be almost entirely “why NOT to vote democrat”, as opposed to “why you SHOULD vote republican”, it plays to the idea of new politics and taking the high road and all that jazz. it won obama the primary, and i think the thinking is it will win him the election. a lot of people supporting obama support him because of this new politics idea, and the contrast will only cement that. you don’t really have to attack the republican positions. they unpopular as it is. the perception that mccain unfairly attacks obama more than obama attacking mccain is already solid, and this perception will hurt mccain in the long run.

dank | 8/28/2008, 11:23 am EST

PBS is carrying all of the speeches while NBC and other “mainstream” media outlets are carrying stuff like America’s Got Talent” and “supernanny.”

I’d watch your local PBS station if you want full coverage.

Delta Wild Man | 8/28/2008, 11:35 am EST

I think Joe needs to set Nancy Pelosi down and tell her how fast she can disappear if she does not keep her big mouth shut.

DirtyDennis | 8/28/2008, 11:55 am EST

Having cast off all connections to the ‘outside world,’ save the internet, I am in poor position to comment upon the magnitude of some ‘events.’

BUT, it would appear to me that HRC’s appearance to have BHO declared the nominee by acclimation is the single most powerful event to have taken place, politically, in this country in the past year or so. And what does RS/Tim have to say about it? Nada.

Given the angst revealed herein as to how Hillary and her followers might behave and the inordinate amount of ‘play’ given the nuances of her every move, I would have thought her demonstration last night would have merited at least a passing comment.

Silly me.

DirtyDennis | 8/28/2008, 11:57 am EST

Wild Thingie,

I think ANYONE should tell Joe, he already has.

DirtyDennis | 8/28/2008, 12:05 pm EST

And since I’m up on my soap box, let me add that if Johnny Boy chooses a woman as his running mate, Obama hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell for the presidency.

The question is, does Johnny Boy have that kind of immagination/balls.

Coach | 8/28/2008, 1:34 pm EST

Dennis: Take a deep breath. Wait until Obama’s speech at the convention before you get up in arms about not getting any ‘respect or love’ toward HRC. Don’t be one of the typical HRC supporters that throws a fit because ‘nobody’s acknowledging us!’ It’s starting to sound as if you WANT McCain to win. Remember, party first? What happened to that?? Breathe, self-medicate, whatever it takes. But, as an HRC supporters, don’t start dividing the party………which is exactly what her supporters are accused of willing to do.

He WILL ACKNOWLEDGE CLINTON’S SUPPORTERS AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR SUPPORT. Just give him a chance……

glenn | 8/28/2008, 2:15 pm EST

PBS carried all of Kerry’s speech. Why would anyone watch MSNBC? For the catfights?

DirtyDennis | 8/28/2008, 4:11 pm EST

So Coach, last Spring when you said HRC was a liar, you weren’t really talking about her, you were talking about her campaign. And you didn’t REALLY care that she voted for the joint resolution to authorize military action against Iraq. If you did, how would you square that with Biden’s vote, he with all his experience in foreign affairs voted in support of it as well. And he had NO threat at home whereas HRC is from a predominately conservative state.

For you, Tim and, by extension, Obama, to claim HRC is unqualified to be Prez because she voted in support of the war and THEN to choose Biden as VP smacks a little of hypocrisy.

What alarms me the most about Obama is his flight to the center. This fresh, new voice advocating change is beginning to look more and more like business as usual.

Even if he does ‘reach out’ to Clinton’s supporters, he will have done it too little and too late. He seems to take them for granted (calculating) which is the worse thing he could do.

No ‘true believer’ would EVER vote for ANYONE the GOP put forward, even if it was Hillary, but I think you might find a lot of folks too busy to vote come election day. Sad. And it didn’t have to be that way.

Methinks the bigger ‘calculator’ in this election is BHO.

Jeugenen | 8/28/2008, 5:21 pm EST

OBAMA AND BIDEN OFFENSIVE
Obama and Biden, as leaders in the American Cultural War, shall take the offensive in restoring traditional international good will, patriotism, Christian culture, and Constitutional rule of law.
The Republican Party suffers from malignant Podhoretz Neo-Conservative cancer; and the Democrat Party suffers from malignant Leiberman Neo-Liberal cancer. These Crypto-Neo-Marxist cancers are mutations of that malignant Marxist cancer that mortally devastated Russia, by successfully dividing her patriots against each other.
The America People got these Crypto-Neo-Marxist cancers at the end of the Second World War, when they naively accepted millions of pitiful defeated Marxist refugees from Nazi Germany and Marxist Soviet Union. History suggests that by systematically working together in the Cultural War, the Kennedy Liberals and Reagan Conservatives can ultimately destroy these malignancies.

In disbelief | 8/28/2008, 6:53 pm EST

Re: Kerry not getting covered

Its nice to go to a cable news channel for the big speeches because they show crowd reactions, but I’ve actually found CSPAN to have awesome coverage of everything else. You see every little speaker because they dont have to go to commercial. It’ll probably be the same next week too

Coach | 8/28/2008, 6:59 pm EST

Dennis, of course you do. You’re angry. You’re upset. You think HRC got jobbed. But that doesn’t make it a fact, does it? I think she ran a horrible campaign based on lies and innuendo. I’m not sure what you’re hanging onto.

Everything I hold against Hillary is because of her campaign. I can’t be anymore clear than that. Yes, we hold Hillary accountable for her Iraq vote because SHE DOESN’T. Biden admitted the mistake, and just like I’ve always said, as soon as you admit the mistake and apologize for it, it’s no longer news. She refused to do that, and that’s why she’s being held accountable for it.

DirtyDennis | 8/28/2008, 7:50 pm EST

I don’t think she got jobbed. I think BHO won it fair and square.

Like I’ve said all along, I’m for ANYONE other than a Con. Barack gets my vote. But that’s not the problem. The problem is he’s going to lose, given the way he’s ‘calculating.’

His whole primary was to run against HRC. His take was he was a change, she is/was not. Okay, that swayed a lot of primary voters even though the ‘change’ was never articulated.

The problem in the general election is that ‘change’ scares a HELL of a lot of people. Especially if the change is being touted by a young man of color. ESPECIALLY if the ‘change’ isn’t clearly defined.

Millions of people are NOT going to watch his acceptance speech tonight but they ARE going to see, time and time again, ads depicting a young black man calling for change. You can pooh-pooh those people who have land-lines and answer pollsters but each and every one of them is going to vote. And I doubt they’re going to want change. They want improvement, not change.

Anonymous | 8/30/2008, 8:59 pm EST

Jed Clampett

He’s having to listen to the gaggle of ‘advisors’ around him, telling him what ‘polls’ say and wht the ‘country needs’. It’s hard for any man to not follow some of the BS he’s having to contend with. Would be good if he just stops for a few seconds, shuts off the incessant droning of the internal dialog and listens to his rightful advisor. All others be damned. Otherwise, he does seem ‘calculating(?)’… cautious rather. For someone completely cut off from the media, it sure sounds like Fox on the brain.

Peace

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