How many homes does Senator Obama own and what are they worth?

Jed Clampett

excellent ad. Call them out on their hypocresy every change you get.

This ad is well done.

Doesn’t mean anything, though.

Who cares how many houses they each own?

I care how each one plans to run this country.

All this diversionary crap doesn’t really matter.

How about getting down to the real meat of the election!!

Funny they didn’t run this add in 2004 when John Kerry was running for president.

Jed Clampett

If he can’t even keep track of his properties, how do you expect him to run the country? give it to dick cheney again? putz

Ooops,
I just found out how many homes Nancy Pelosi and Gloria Fienstein have..
Good God and I just found out what they are worth!!!
I’d suggest that Obama-rama drop the House thing real fast..

So let me get this straight,, It’s bad to have more than one home, unless you have a different woman for each home it’s alright?
Let’s ask John Edwards and Bill Clinton alright?
If any of you have ever invested in real estate, you might find it hard to answer questions like that yourself.
Hell I wish someone would have asked Harry Reid and his real estate loving azz how many properties he owns..
This whole thing is pretty weak..
Obama-Rama is going to have to do better than this.

Let me gets this straight. McCain owns 7 houses, but Obama’s the elitist?

This whole elitist thing is pretty weak..
John McLieberman…McLame…McCain is going to have to do better than that.

I know, how about Countrywide Home Loans??
I’m sure a Senate and House investigation on Big Bad Countrywide would reveal some pretty interesting information on elitists and the Home Loans that are given to them.

No, I know, how about Donald R. Diamond, one of Arizona’s wealthiest businessmen, and his buddy McCain.
I’m sure a Senate and House investigation on ‘The Donald’ and his cozy relationship with ‘Maverick’ McCain would reveal some pretty interesting information on these CRIMINALS and the sweet deals they strike at the expense of the American people.

So what if he has 7 houses? Having more than one house isnt a crime, nor does it mean the man is unfit for office. And the fundamentals of our economy are strong…the real question is does either of the bozo’s running for prez have a way to build upon those fundamentals and create sometime of growth. Obama’s tax scheme sure as hell aint it, and well, I’m not even sure McCain has an economic policy…

I thinks it’s not knowing how many houses he has, or the fact that he can’t answer that question on his own, that leads people to say that he’s “out of touch” with reality. He sure seems that way to me.

Enough of this BS already. Johnny Boy’s a Con; Barack’s a Lib.

Con’s want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. Cons want to exploit the Third World. Cons want to subsidize businesses. Cons what the ‘masses’ ‘in their place.’ Cons don’t mind polluting if there’s a profit to be made. Cons don’t mind lying and cheating if there’s a profit to be made. Cons don’t mind if a few brown-skinned peoples get killed if the ends justify it. Cons don’t like people telling them to provide safe, clean work places. Cons represent all that is BAD about America.

Libs are dedicated to sending Cons to a faraway planet.

Merk, it’s not the number of houses. It’s, yet again, the inability to remember anything.

Let’s go over the list of things McCain can’t remember, but yet is allegedly qualified based on years of experience:

Can’t remember that he doesn’t like the republican party and they don’t like him.

Can’t remember who Iran is allegedly training.

Doesn’t know which middle east country borders what.

Can’t remember he’s been married three times and been divorced twice after being caught cheating.

Can’t remember he’s against timelines, even though he’s now for them.

(Let’s not forget his platform is experience in foreign affairs and being a ‘maverick’)

Republicans are the worst of the two parties, and McGoo has turned into a tool for them. Sure, big government may not be the answer, but, please don’t pigeonhole Obama into the big government candidate, when it was republicans who grew the government to its biggest size EVER! Homeland security, anyone???? So, remember, McCain is not a small-government Maverick anymore.

Duly noted Coach, but lets not kid ourselves…Obama is the big govt candidate, in his particular area. Same for McCain, which is the problem with both parties, and why there is no “lesser of two evils.” Both want a larger, more intrusive central govt, simply in different areas. They’re taking different paths, but are going to arrive in the same place– more unesscary govt (Like Homeland Security, an organization thats duties were/are already handled by Border Patrol, Coast Guard, the FBI, CIA, and NSA…and most of our security problems are due to bureaucratic slowdown, and the solution is…more bureaucracy?), which is not what this country needs. So in a sense, both parties are the evil, but too many are too dumb or blinded by flashing language into b.uying the fresh coat of paint on the same old failed ideas.

I didnt mean to make my post sound like a McCain endorsement, but actually hit the guy on his issues, not on his houses.

Jed Clampett

when all else fails, bring the opponent down to your level, make him as evil as you, part of the same flawed system and as incapable as you to correct the situation and extract retribution from those who have abused the situation.

where have I heard of or seen those tactics before?

It won’t be Obama’s policies that hurt america, but the oligarchs, the 3% that will be affected by a rise in taxation to those making over $250 thousand a year.
want to hurt those, take your money out of the stock market before they start doing so and hurt the economy to prove their point. Oh yea, can’t be done because most of your investments are tied up in 401Ks. See how they did that? Took control of your retirement completely out of your hands and gave it to those that have been proven time and again to hold their own interests above anyone elses. Could we have been so naive? or merely thought ourselves powerless to stop it.

Thanks to DirtyDennis and Burn Daddy. I dont give a rat’s behind how many houses McRich has, it’s the fact that he tries to pin the “elitist” liberal on Barack that pisses me off. And like every liberal (and why is that a dirty word?) , I too am all for removing the neo-cons from this nation – planet – heck, preferably galaxy. Give them a whole new empire to try to destroy – and hope like hell the daelicks inhabit it.

The biggest problem with McCain forgetting how many houses he owns is that it shows how blind he is to the fact that millions of Americans are hurting economically because of George W. Bush’s policies.

McCain’s entire candidacy is a dream for big business and a continuation of Bush’s policies that messed the economy up in the first place: receiving money from oil companies for flip flopping on drilling, continuing Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy after flip flopping on the issue, hiring lobbyists to run his entire campaign after flip flopping on that, etc…

Even McCain’s wife, chair of an Anhueser Busch beer distributing subsidiary, lobbies against Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Apparently making money for big business is more important than security of our own roads.

McCain would se_ll this country to the terrorists for enough money. He’s so dumb and old he probably wouldn’t even know he was doing it.

Jed Clampett

Youre right, he doesn’t know what he’s doing or how bad it will hurt the country.

You know, I always thought that, from the ideals this country was founded on, there was no possible way monopolies could be developed, but it is painfuly obvious that monopolized we have been and that extends to our leadership.
How many companies does the Disney Corp control? how ubiquitous is it? do they own media outlets and other ways of controling what you see and think?

We now have the internet, a system started with our capital, implemented for the sharing of information and dissemination of knowledge and ideas. The major telecoms want to put a stop to this. They are fighting tooth and nail against ‘net neutrality’ because they see it as a cash cow, another means of extracting as much money as possible from the american public. The true aim of this is to prevent the dissemination of ideas and information they wish to keep control of.
Repression and opression don’t always happen at the end of a gun, sometimes it happens at the end of a ball point pen. Why else would the recording industry be given carte Blanche to use the power of their wealth to prosecute kids doing what kids have always done, gathered up the information… and entertainment… in the world around them for later enjoyment? Should the gov not have done better by forcing he companies to protect their product instead of litigate people into submission? They mask their greed by saying they are protecting the artists, but the artist gets a mere pittance for his efforts of bringing forth the message from spirit. So who are they protecting? the 3%… hell, the 1%, not even the merely affluent matter much to these traitors.

Why hasn’t exxon paid the people of Valdez Alaska yet?

Corrupt Bastards Club in full effect!!!

Interesting tidbit about the McCains being poison peddlers. Fits in nicely with the current debate about allowing young adults the ability to drink themselves into a stupor. Why was prohibition implemented? Please help me remember the reasons they decided to prohibit alcohol in the first place.

Whatup BurnDaddy n Joanne Boatright
JB you got it half right. How many houses they have is a moronic argument point. But BD uses it to argue Obama`s not an elitist. What is about liberals that they`re always concerned about money, other people`s money? The Elite used to mean being the best at what you do, the cream of the crop.
I wish we had real elitist in politics. In stead we have Demagogs and fools. Personally if someone hasn`t accomplished a superior level of success, why the hell would I want him running the country? Class envy is the same old play book the Dems have been using for decades.

But elitism as it is used in the context that we are debating has a different meaning. It ain`t got nothing to do with money. It`s an attitude. One that says I`m smarter than every body else. I know what`s best for them. They are to stupid to take care of them selves. In this context you could be middle class and be one and upper class and not be one. The fact that they usually come from the wealthy just goes with the territory. Elitist claim to care for the common folks but unless it benefits them, they rarely spend any time with them. They would rather keep company with other elitist so they can reinforce each other`s egos. To put it simply, they are snobs, that have a condescending opinion towards the values of the people they claim to care about.

JB, as far as why liberal is a dirty word, I don`t know. Ask your fellow liberals why they are ashamed to use it. Now they call themselves “PROGRESSIVES”. I got more respect for people like you that don`t try to hide it.

One question JB? I thought to be liberal was to be tolerant. You want to remove conservatives from the country. Put them on an other planet. Be cause you disagree with them. Is that what you want to do to me? Well those are not realistic options. Why not just put us in Concentration Camps? And please if you do reply, spare me the predictable Camp Gitmo comparison.

Coach, another inspiring comment. Let`s see McCain forgets everything he knows. Obama doesn`t have that problem because he really doesn`t know much of anything. Answer this. If McCain is a feeble old fool, then why was Obama afraid to take him up on his offer to have a series of nonscripted town hall debates. Is it because without a teleprompter he would of had his clock cleaned.

And DirtyD, thank you for informing us that Liberals want commit genocide on Conservatives. Then you can all have that One Party State you desire. Wonder how long your right to say stupid things last under that system?

And finally, Jed Clampett. Sorry I can`t respond now. I`m waiting for the LSD to kick in, so I can understand what the phock you`re talking about.

Jed Clampett

So, party stinker, by your own definition…
‘It`s an attitude. One that says I`m smarter than every body else. I know what`s best for them. They are to stupid to take care of them selves.’
…the republican party is replete with elitist that tell you what’s better for you… a woman who wished to die rather than be trapped in a useless body becomes a political football used by the ‘elites’ to manipulate those stupid enough to believe their BS as if they truly valued LIFE so much.
They like to tell you a plant that earth put here for us to use and relieve our tensions with is CRIMINAL, in contravention of the peoples wishes, yet a fermented fruit extract that creates problems of abuse, accidental killings, crime, etc. etc. is ignored as a gateway drug of the first order and even peddled by the GOP’s candidates wife.
Then you have the problem of hard drugs, Wen Ho Lee was busted in mexico with meth and millions in cash. he escaped to America and now seems to be enjoying life while incessant legal ramblings continue.
Why is it that in america, on the war on drugs, the whales are a protected species while the goldfish are beset upon by the full force of the repression apparatus as evidenced on COPS every weekend?
Are there no kingpins in america? Does this only happen in mexico and other nations and not in the worlds biggest consumer?
Who protects so many shipments of tons of drugs into the country? Why are afghan poppy fields allowed to grow and grow?
How much has been spent on the war on drugs?
How long has it gone on?
What has been accomplished?
Who has profited?
What party do they serve? apparently not the american people, don’t you think?

Amazing the level of hypocresy of the 1% elites. A book recently explored this discrepancy… can’t remember the name offhand, if someone would provide it I would much appreciate it… heard the author on marketplace the other day, he talked about how one of Bushneys advisors has her own gift wrapping room. She b.uys sheets of money directly from the US mint, uncut, so she can wrap gifts with money. This is how out of touch the actual ‘elites’ are, while we fight to keep our homes after being steered into bad loans by bad actors, the bad actors get bailed out while we hang in the balance(so much for free markets); in the meantime, those with all the resources, waste money in order to feed their ego and their greed.
If anyone should be punished, it is they, unfortunately, we have allowed them to do this by ‘virtue’ of our apathy.
Time to change that or face the dire consequences.
But it’s good to see that PC has made such a great choice, I guess he enjoys being a slave to the 1%ers whims. Or perhaps he’s one of those.

I’ll take the tag ‘liberal’ damn it, I like liberty, freedom, expression, empathy, respect, open discourse, clarity of speech, etc. Not prohibition, incessant fines, shame, ridicule, all those things the “GRAND O’LE PARTY” seems to love and FOX feeds them constantly.
Can you tell where good is?
Can you tell how bad bad really is?

Camp Gitmo, priceless…

you mean the place where Bushney and the administration belong?
A place where we can subject them to enhanced interrogation techniques because they are such dissasemblers (to paraphrase the arbusto) to find out just how badly they have screwed up our system this time.
And those that have enabled them… their mouthpieces? well, they are merely fools that are easily manipulated by fear and innuendo, by double speak and absurdities that have no basis in real logic.
Those that accept glibness rather than well thought out and explored discourse, not much we can do about those, but the enablers in positions of leadership?.. well, we must do whatever is necessary to remove those from the system before they destroy it and install the totalitarianism they so adore. Just follow Sensenbreners past eloquations and you may be able to see what I mean. Or maybe Stevens. Or perhaps Inhoffe. should I go on? Probably not, poiht made.

Peace

Jed Clampett

I’m waiting to see what your reaction to the windows of perception will be. You might just see Xenu and soil yourself, I doubt you’ll see anything worthwile, or try to make sense of it. BTW, did you know the CIA unleashed that drug onto the american streets as a test of what opening people to that kind of knowledge would do? Untrained kids taking hallucinogens without understanding what they do had just the expected results, made a bunch of hellions, hurt other’s spirit and mind, and yet other’s, those with good hearts, opened up to spirit and alloed Light Of Various Extremes to flow through them and touch others. Unfortunately, it was done with artifice rather than the ways of the ancients.
Ever wonder whether some of our leadership tried this drug, either willingly or unwillingly? What did they see? What did they choose to follow once the dance of mirrors started on them?

Don’t bother trying to answer, way beyond your capacity for understanding anyway. Your intent is not to have discourse, your intent is to serve those that seemingly put food on your table. Watch out, that food may be poisoned, have any outbreaks lately?

Peace

Partycrasher: “You want to remove conservatives from the country. Put them on an other planet. Be cause you disagree with them. Is that what you want to do to me? Why not just put us in Concentration Camps?”

Who said anything about putting conservatives in concentration camps? JB was talking about getting rid of Neoconservatives-who despite their name are anything but conservative. And he has a point.

Of each subset of the republican base the neoconservatives are the worst. They are elitists who believe the American people don’t deserve to know all the facts about foreign policy because they think the public is too stupid to make decisions based on them. This is the reason Bush and Cheney knowingly lied to get the public to go to war in Iraq, because they knew no one would support that war if they’d known Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.

One of the hallmarks of a neoconservative is that it will not actually fight in a war it screams at others for not supporting. This is another example of neoconservative elitism: they think they are too important to actually risk their lives fighting for their beliefs. They think it’s better to have non elites- many of whom had to go into the army because it was the best economic decision available to them-die instead.

Neoconservatives are intellectual descendents of Communist Leon Trotsky and his idea of permanent revolution. Neoconservatives advocate revolution in non-democratic societies across the world (although most importantly in countries in the middle east near American “interests”) and enjoy discussing their plans while sipping lattes on Manhattan’s upper east side or in Georgetown, D.C.

911 allowed neoconservative ideas to be tested. They predictably failed. Iraq is considered a disaster by large majorities on the country. The war on terror is a joke. The five countries the neocons wanted to change -Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebannon and Syria-are all worse off than they were before Bush’s presidency. Yet neoconservatives are still players in Washington as the dominant group advising John McCain on foreign policy. If McCain is elected the neocons will convince him-if he needs it-to attack Iran. They may even convince him to escalate conflict with Russia which would be an even worse disaster and start another cold war or worse.

Neoconservatism has been one of the worst ideologies in American history. Putting its advocates on the moon may not be such a bad idea (prison for crimes they’ve already committed might be better but either way…)

Good stuff PartyCrasher. What a joke. It sure is funny how people still believe that the current conservative party is still the party of national security, small government, limited taxes, and family values, blah, blah, blah.

Their national security policies have sold us out to the highest bidder, and created many more new enemies (which just might be their goal). They’ve created the largest beaurocracy in the known world: Homeland Security. Given tax breaks only to the rich (elite), and showed that they really don’t care about family values, except when the democrats break the rules (Vitter and Craig are still sponsoring legislation ruling marraige be between a man and a woman). The last 3 Republican presidents are responsible for 80% of the current debt (9 trillion and growing?). The’ve allowed speculators to control the price of oil, raising it over 350% in 7 years, and have the audacity to blame it on the democrats, as if drilling for more oil is going to help (it’s still foreign oil people).

Keep livin the dream Crasher. Pretty soon you’ll wake up and realize that you’ve been sold a lemon……

Convict, I mean, Conservative Legends live on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahh Coach,

I`ve noticed that in the few times you have responded to my comments you never attempt to answer any questions I ask you. You usually just go into one of your rants and have another rhetorical question for me. You may not like or agree with my replies but if you go back you will see that I have attempted to answer your questions.

So I`ll give you another shot. From my last comment, here`s the question: If McCain, as you describe, is a feeble old man who can barely remember his own name, why was Obama afraid to accept his invitation to have a series of unscripted town hall types debates with random questions from the audience. I mean that should have been a slam dunk for Obama, as smart as he is. Or is it that he actually can`t think on his feet without a teleprompter. This is not a rhetorical question, so try not to make your answer one. Actually I`ll accept answers from any of you Obamiacs.

I`ll await your reply Coach.

Actually Jethro, ahh I mean Jed, Damn!

I prefer glibness mixed with well thought out and explored discourse.
Just because you don`t get it, doesn`t mean it`s not logical.

As for the rest of your extra terrestrial thoughts, I`m still waiting for the LSD to properly prepare my brain cells before commenting.

PajamaParty: First of all, you’ll need to prove to me that he’s “afraid to accept” his ‘invitations’ to town hall meetings.

But, for the meat of the subject: I’m not sure McCain would even agree with it. It seems more like carrot and stick to me. Now, I know McCain would fare better in the townhalls, just as Bush did, because you don’t really have to answer anything, but I’m not sure his campaign would allow it. We all know that McCain ‘doesn’t speak for the campaign’, so it’s my guess that the McCain campaign is actually advising him against it.

Otherwise, what’s your point? Why don’t you answer something now? And that is this: Why is it okay for McCain to screw up, er, misspeak, about his alleged strongpoint: foreign affairs. The number of fundamental gaffes is large and growing, but, yet, we’re supposed to vote for him because of his many many years of experience in foreign affairs?

Hey Raw,

I`m the one that mentioned Concentration Camps. I was just trying to be helpful, it being impractical to send them to other planets.

But kudos for at least framing your argument logically. Using elitist in the proper context and not making it only about how much money one has.

But to the meat of your comment. You say JB wants to send only Neo-Cons into space. Well you know that`s slippery slope. Once you get rid of one group you don`t like, you go after another. Besides many on the left use Neo-Cons to describe everyone they don`t like. Even you in describing
Republicans, say they`re all bad, just in different degrees. Here`s your quote: “Of each subset of the republican base the neoconservatives are the worst.”

I don`t want to send liberals to another planet, maybe a museum to study them. Don`t freak! It`s a joke!

So, you`ll excuse me if I don`t want the Left to take power. They way they demonize their opponents, I wouldn`t trust them with my liberties. I like this planet, thank you.

A couple of other points, no one can accuse McCain of being a Chicken Hawk. He`s walked the talk.

And get real. The only one sipping latte on the Upper East Side of Manhattan is Limo Liberals.

Yeah, ok, Roach,

You`re really reaching with that answer. You`re making assumptions about McCain`s intentions without evidence. I may be assuming Obama`s afraid. But it`s backed up by his actions. But that`s your story and your sticking to it.

To your question, I don`t hold verbal gaffs against either candidate. Their human and under a lot of stress. Big deal, so they screw up! Have you ever called somebody you`ve known for a long time by the wrong name. Does that mean you don`t know their real name? Of course not.

I`m more worried by what Obama says when he not making verbal mistakes.

OK Party:

“The candidate doesn’t speak for the campaign.” McCain Camp.

That’s where I get my reinforcement about why Obama and McCain aren’t having townhalls…..

And, care to enlighten us on Obama’s ‘verbal gaffes’?? I’m all ears.

Coach, Watch what you ask for.

1)Speaking about Arabic Tranlators:

“We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then its harder for us to use them in Afghanistan,” Obama said.

Problem is they don`t speak Arabic in Afghanistan.

2)Speaking to veterans on Memorial Day “I see many of our fallen war heroes in the audience today.”

I guess he sees ghost.

3) “My Grandpa helped liberate Auschwitz.”

Not unless he was in the Soviet Army. The Russians liberated Auschwitz.

4) “I’ve campaigned in all fifty-seven states.”

I guess he`s planning on including
Mexico and Central America into the Union.

Should I go on? The point is Coach
I don`t really think Obama thinks theirs fifty-seven states. I`m willing to give him a break on things of no consequence. You want to bash McCain unfairly.

Here we go Party:

Obama’s not running on a foreign affairs platform, making his ‘alleged’ gaffes more understandable. Secondly, it’s possible to consider dismembered veterans as ‘fallen’.

As far as the ‘57 states’. C’mon. Don’t you understand that caucuses are also being counted, as some states had both primaries and caucuses? Give us all a break.

It’s okay for McCain to screw up his only alleged advantage on a daily basis. But, it’s not okay for Obama to call an injured veteran ‘fallen’. And, it’s not okay to count caucuses. Really?

Keep it coming: What about the fact that a huge percentage of Republicans actually hated McCain last year. Another question you’re not addressing: You must be okay with all of the current policies, right?

“why was Obama afraid to accept his invitation to have a series of unscripted town hall types debates with random questions from the audience.”

Because at the time Obama was receiving far more t.v. coverage than McCain. If Obama had taken McCain up on those debates (which were something like one per week) McCain would have received that publicity free.

Obama simply decided free publicity for McCain would be worse than the notion he was afraid to debate him (which was a good decision when you consider that there are at least three debates scheduled between the two anyway).

“But to the meat of your comment. You say JB wants to send only Neo-Cons into space. Well you know that`s slippery slope.”

That wasn’t the meat of my comment. The meat of my comment was to show that neoconservatives have provably acted more elitist by your own definition than any democrat. The meat of my comment was to show you to be a hypocrite. Apparently this flew right over your head.

And saying it is a “slippery slope” is entirely your own view. It incorrectly assumes that I will eventually send everyone I designate as “bad” to the moon. Besides being a really lazy and ineffective argument, it is just flat wrong.

“A couple of other points, no one can accuse McCain of being a Chicken Hawk. He`s walked the talk.”

Is McCain going to go over to fight in Iran if he starts a war there? No. Is that the definition of a chickenhawk? Yes. McCain is a chickenhawk.

“And get real. The only one sipping latte on the Upper East Side of Manhattan is Limo Liberals.”

Wrong. See Irving Kristol, William Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, Robert Kagan, etc…

yall keep beating around the same bush…both the Dems and Repubs are corrupt/bad as all hell…seriously, do yourselves a favor and vote Independent, vote Libertarian, vote Populist, vote Green…anything else continues the ying/yang cycle of federal corruption. Dont vote for Washington to change Washington, because it simply isnt going to happen. If the grassroots for some sort of a center party (perhaps along the lines of Germany’s old Die Zentrum?) dont start now, then we really have nothing to expect from our political system than same ol’ business as usual.

Anything besides these two jokes that the parties and their candidates have become…McCain has no definable/worthwhile positions ouside Iraq and has become a doddering old fool, and Obama is simpy plying warmed-over and failed liberal ideas with fresh verbiage, while picking Biden as the adult to help the inexperienced kid(old white dude =instant gravitas)…which the ignorant peons continue to gobble up…

Raw

The meat of your comment didn`t go over my head. Because it doesn`t prove anything. It`s your opinion. Like A..holes, we all got one. So your meat is more like tofu.
As to the slippery slope, I never said you would definitely send me to the Moon. I just said I wouldn`t
want to take the chance of the Left
taken power. I wouldn`t trust them to play nice. So try not to misstate what I say.
A Chicken Hawk is someone who sends men off to war but didn`t go to war when he had the chance. Am I going to fast for you? And McCain ain`t one. Under your definition every President in history who ever sent men to war is one. Franklin Roosevelt, hell Abe Lincoln, non of them ever fought in the wars they conducted. What was Roosevelt going to do, strap a grenade launcher to his wheel chair? Try getting a coherent idea! Please.

But you are right about one thing. I am a lazy arguer. Fortunately debating you doesn`t take much effort. I`m not even breakin a sweat.

Educate yourself. Look up the word logical and apply it.

PC,

You’re not seriously suggesting that flying a jet off a carrier is the same as humping the boonies, are you? If so, you discredit all infantrymen, past and present. You get a front row seat on the first rocket out of here.

Merk,

I’ll not argue the worthiness of either party, they are, after all, peopled by humans. Just as are the Libertarians. I daresay that if the Libertarians ever gained power, you’d be complaining about them as well. It’s not the parties that are the problem, it’s the people.

So, I say, again, better the lesser of two weevils.