Jed Clampett

I like the way John McCain responded to Clarks comments… ‘I have plenty of collugues and leaders that will testify to my military record’ or something of that vein.
Mr McCain, why not let the record stand on it’s own. Release the files Mr. McCain. Let us see in black and white how your leadership felt about your military career. Are the busy editing out the ’sensitive’ parts? Like the fact that you got shot down on purpose to get the promotion you would not see otherwise.

BTW – Wes Clark is a Clinton operative and a military man. If you think he is going to actually assist Obama, you are wrong. He, like all other military leaders that want to prove themselves in the field of battle, they are gunning for global conflict. Obama would prevent them from it, or at least postpone it a few years.

General Clark can not be any more wrong.

This country has already proven that to be President you can be a former fighter pilot.

Perhaps not shot down over Vietnam, but definitely over Texas before disappearing into the wilds of Alabama.

The silly season is in full swing.

the first version of this post, with just the first four paragraphs, was far more interesting, jmo

It’s just a hint of July. No time to be tackling this issue. Like one of the links said, this (’experience’) is Johnney Boy’s trump card. Negate it in October when it will have an audience.

For now, let Clark lob the grenades and tsk tsk it. In October, take off the gloves.

Somewhere In The Middle

Tim, only someone as dedicated to the left as you are would say that Barack Obama is a centrist.

Question of the Day: Since John McCain now condones torture, can we strip him of his war hero status? If not, then aren’t all the Gitmo/Abu Ghraib detainees heroes for being tortured?

OBAMA TO FIGHT FOR GOD AND COUNTRY
Obama, the victorious Kennedy Liberal, will purge the defeated Leiberman Neo-Liberals from the Democratic Party. These Crypto-Neo-Marxists have corrupted the Democratic Party for the past 60 years, with their notorious ideological contempt for Christian culture, the Constitution, patriotism, historical fact, and Kennedy Liberals.

Tim,

You’re right about Obama, but wrong about General Clark.

Clark didn’t question anyone’s patriotism.

He made a simple statement of fact: Getting shot down and kept in a hole and tortured for a few years doesn’t qualify anyone to be president – unless you want to say that all those guys at Gitmo are just as qualified.

“there was the old Clintonite general engaging in a glib attack no McCain’s military record….”

This is the Big Lie. Clark PRAISED McCain’s military record. He just pointed out that it’s not preparation for the duties of a president. Journalistic ethics are shameful. This is just like the “Al Gore said he invented the internet” BS.

Tim,
I generally agree with your spin on this campaign, but you completely missed the boat on this one. The left isn’t attacking Obama because he isn’t who they thought he was, they are attacking him because he’s dead wrong on this one. And c’mon, “It’s not either/or. It’s both/and. Together. Forward.” No rational person finds genuine policy in empty rhetoric like that. It’s not “centrism” it’s just pure fantasy. Look, I’m not going to drag my feet because Obama doesn’t vote straight-ticket with the progressive agenda. But to come down on the left because they question Obama on some truly questionable votes isn’t just cheap, it’s dangerous. I’m pretty sure we’ve been living in a country that gives its president a free pass on everything in the media, and last I checked, it wasn’t working out so well.

i love how my comments about the type-os and bad links dont make it…

well, now that its working

“‘And I will not stand idly by when I hear others question mine’ — there was the old Clintonite general engaging in a glib attack no McCain’s military record…”

yes…a glib attack no McCain’s record…aren’t you a professional at this?

and the youtube link goes to a private video

“It makes me think lot of people were so blinded by their hatred for Hillary Clinton that they never paid enough attention to Obama…”
You couldn’t mean yourself of course, just because you trashed her daily on the blog doesn’t mean you were blinded by hatred for her. Beyond silly.

torture = bad

eavesdropping on foreign based conversations = rational

wes clark = funny

mccain = hypocrite

Misguided supporters surprised when they find out their politician of choice isn’t who they thought he was? Gosh, who would have guessed so few people actually bother to study their politicians record, rather than listening to his speeches?

is the one that takes away all our economic freedoms, but fails to give us our social ones as well. I think that is called authoritarianism, come to think of it.

A small vindictive part of me wants to do the whole “told you so” nonsense, but that doesn’t get us anywhere. The best thing Obama supporters can do now is try to let him know how out of line he is with American interests. He does care about votes, so let him know that things like the FISA legislation are not acceptable.

Also, it’s odd to call him centrist. As the above poster mentioned, his latest failures are not really more to the right, they are more in line with a police state. It seems like the areas where he is not far to the left are the only areas I wish he were. Huzzah for corporatism and protectionism I suppose…

(Merkwurdigliebe)

I suppose this will finally kill the ridiculous “vote for change” charade that the voting sheep have been fooled into accepting…as if voting for the other side of the Washington power trough is a real change or break from things…Obama is just another politician, through and through, not a messiah, as too many of his zealot followers blindly believe and perpetuate…he’s a good man with lots of promise, and I think generally good intentions, but zilch experience…up against a semile geriatric…what an election, ho hum

as for Clark– the man was grossly incompetent in the Balkans, and is on no ground to critize anyone’s else’s military record…the fact that he never was able to rise above 2 stars, even in the Clinton years, speaks more to the man’s post Vietnam career than anything else

Obama has mentioned several times his intention to rely on Elizabeth Edwards with regard to health care reform. His apparent intention to surround himself with Democratic royalty gives pause to those of us who though he was here to bring change.

Yes, Tim, of the two major candidates Obama is the better choice. With his obvious pandering to the conservatives and evangelicals this past week, he revealed that he is just a politician like everyone else. Which makes me hate the two-party system. There are other candidates out running for President. Why aren’t we being informed where they stand on the issues? Obama is better than McCain, but I can’t help but feel that there is someone else better than Obama.

As for Wesley Clark, his statement was Bill Maher-like. Political incorrect, but honest assessment of John McCain’s leadership creditials. Our country have an obsession of creating heroes out of victims. How does being a prisoner of war makes you a great leader? Wouldn’t not getting capture and leading your men into victory be more of a testament of your leadership skills? It should goes without saying that anyone who serves in the military deserves respect. Yet, respect only goes so far. When you abuse that respect for political ambition. It is fair game to question how you serve your country. If you doubt me, then ask the swift boat people who questioned John Kerry’s service.

“Obama’s whole political platform is built around finding common ground that all Americans can feel good about moving toward”
1) The first problem with American politics is FEELING! People should use their brain, not their heart. Sure, every poor little sick kid deserves health care, cancer should be cured, and the world should be perfect but people have to understand the consequences of trying to acquire such goals including MUCH higher taxes, money being used for other things and just overall corruption.
2)Obama holds the middle ground because hge is an expert of politics, like the Clintons. He opens up the newspaper every day and go where the people want him to go, not holding any strong opinions on ANYTHING in fear someone might disagree with him. I’d rather have a candidate who believes in what he says than having one who is only fed what pollers on CNN and the New York Post want him to believe…

You’re claim that activists will not sit this one out is false. By doing a 180 on FISA is the “deal breaker” for me and many other activists that got Barack where he is. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you. I think the convention is not going to go as well as everyone thought. Where are you Russ Feingold?

OBAMA, IS IN VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SEPPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, BY ADVACATING FAITH BASED PROGRAMS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

OBAMA IS IN VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH BY ADVACATING ELECTRONIC EVESDROPPING, EVEN AFTER THE SUPREAME COURT RAISED CONCERNS!

OBAMA IS IN VIOLATION OF THE 2ND BUT FLIP FLOPPED I’LL GIVE HIM A D- ON THIS ONE( THE RANT ABOUT PEOPLE CLINGING TO GUNS AND GOD EXCT.

CAN SOME ONE PLEASE SEND THE DEMACRATIC NOMINEE A COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION!

P.S. VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION ARE NOT ONLY IMPEACHABLE CRIMES BUT VIOLATIONS OF THE OATH OF OFFICE!

OBAMA, IS IN VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SEPPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, BY ADVACATING FAITH BASED PROGRAMS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

OBAMA IS IN VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH BY ADVACATING ELECTRONIC EVESDROPPING, EVEN AFTER THE SUPREAME COURT RAISED CONCERNS!

OBAMA IS IN VIOLATION OF THE 2ND BUT FLIP FLOPPED I’LL GIVE HIM A D- ON THIS ONE( THE RANT ABOUT PEOPLE CLINGING TO GUNS AND GOD EXCT.

CAN SOME ONE PLEASE SEND THE DEMACRATIC NOMINEE A COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION!

P.S. VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION ARE NOT ONLY IMPEACHABLE CRIMES BUT VIOLATIONS OF THE OATH OF OFFICE!

OBAMA, IS IN VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SEPPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, BY ADVACATING FAITH BASED PROGRAMS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

OBAMA IS IN VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH BY ADVACATING ELECTRONIC EVESDROPPING, EVEN AFTER THE SUPREAME COURT RAISED CONCERNS!

OBAMA IS IN VIOLATION OF THE 2ND BUT FLIP FLOPPED I’LL GIVE HIM A D- ON THIS ONE( THE RANT ABOUT PEOPLE CLINGING TO GUNS AND GOD EXCT.

CAN SOME ONE PLEASE SEND THE DEMACRATIC NOMINEE A COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION!

P.S. VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION ARE NOT ONLY IMPEACHABLE CRIMES BUT VIOLATIONS OF THE OATH OF OFFICE!

Not to pick on Obama over all the others, but since he is at the forefront right now being one of two men we have to pick to be president it seems relevant to discuss his recent vote on the change to the FISA legislation. This confirms my fears of yet another politician in the white house who will rip to shreds the most powerful thing America has ever produced: the Constitution.

And to the complete BS Tim tries to pass over us about paying attention to Obama, guess what Mr. Dickinson, I have been paying attention. I remember quite clearly his promise to join the number of true patriots left in congress in filibustering this legislative filth. You’re attempts to abstract and move towards Obamas general stances is a comical attempt to rationalize away his clear statements to stand against this unconstitutional bill.

Good job Tim. You are an apologist.

Tim, perhaps you haven’t been paying attention:

Obama: “It is time to restore oversight and accountability in the FISA program, and this proposal — with an unprecedented grant of retroactive immunity — is not the place to start.”

Bill Burton(offical spokesmen for Obama): “To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.”

Bill Burton: “Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies and has cosponsored Senator Dodd’s efforts to remove that provision from the FISA bill. Granting such immunity undermines the constitutional protections Americans trust the Congress to protect. Senator Obama supports a filibuster of this bill, and strongly urges others to do the same. It’s not clear whether he can return for the vote, but under the Senate rules, the side trying to end a filibuster must produce 60 votes to cut off debate. Whether he is present for the vote for not, Senator Obama will not be among those voting to end the filibuster.”

Obama: “I strongly oppose retroactive immunity in the FISA bill.
Ever since 9/11, this Administration has put forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand.
The FISA court works. The separation of power works. We can trace, track down and take out terrorists while ensuring that our actions are subject to vigorous oversight, and do not undermine the very laws and freedom that we are fighting to defend.
No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people — not the President of the United States, and not the telecommunications companies that fell in line with his warrantless surveillance program. We have to make clear the lines that cannot be crossed.
That is why I am co-sponsoring Senator Dodd’s amendment to remove the immunity provision. Secrecy must not trump accountability. We must show our citizens – and set an example to the world – that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient.”

Saying he is a centrist(false by the way) doesn’t in anyway justify your argument that we should have expected him to break his promise. Now if you had said he is a politician, then that might have been a valid argument.

If only Obama was a ‘centrist’ on the correct issues. I never suspected he would flip flop on such an obvious issue like the 1st and 4th amendment.

Shame on you Obama. You truly are a politician.

That was the worst excuse I’ve heard you make on behalf of your candidate. The cognitive dissonance worries me.

Nice work

Will make their choices today

No remedy required