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Fifteen Point Obama Lead?

6/21/08, 2:38 am EST

Newsweek pegs Obama’s lead over McCain at an incredible (and perhaps not credible) fifteen points, 51-36.


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ray | 6/21/2008, 11:27 am EST

Hope its accurate,

Matt | 6/21/2008, 1:31 pm EST

That’d be great news if it was the last week of October. But it’s not. So it’s pointless.

DirtyDennis | 6/21/2008, 3:40 pm EST

Is it me or does it appear that Obama is succumbing to the miasma that emanates from political pols.

He does NOT look like the same Obama we saw last Winter.

Sean Tiner | 6/22/2008, 1:54 am EST

This entry causes one to question: Just how “cool” is John McCain? Well, lets take a look. He has over 55 thousand Myspace friends. Yes, that’s kinda cool …but Obama has over 390 thousand.

Okay, so this is not a popularity contest. Well, lets take a look at his website. Today, McCain is still offering the Father’s Day Golf Pack, if you donate $50 dollars. …First of all, I thought Father’s Day was Sunday?

And, I’m sure Dad would really “impress” his friends with a shiny new set of golf balls. How many people that McCain is promising to “help,” actually golf? …If he is promising to help Americans with lower gas prices, I’m sure these same people really enjoying driving to golf course and using their disposable income to play.

Wouldn’t you rather give your Dad a cool piece of art? Thanks Obama.

Okay, so McCain joined the Go Green bandwagon and is offering 20 eco-friendly products. Don’t you think that offering one or two would be eco-friendly? Why does he need to create 20 eco-friendly products? Isn’t that counter-intuitive?

McCain’s eco-friendly store first four offerings are polo shirts. How “cool” will it be sporting an eco-friendly polo shirt? Once again, we are staying with the golf theme. Is that “really cool?”

Does McCain have a hot girl endorsing him on Youtube? Maybe, but she is probably wearing a one of his “cool” golf shirts. ….And I imagine that she does not compare to ObamaGirl, which has over 8.7 million views to date on Youtube.

Well, if you think that content and “cool” do not produce results, think again. As of today, McCain’s website is ranked 2,304 in the US. Okay, that’s kinda cool. ….But Obama’s is ranked 364 (according to Alexa). …I think Obama wins the “cool” factor.

DirtyDennis | 6/22/2008, 1:00 pm EST

why does the name “DirtyDennis” automatically pop up in the “comments” posting id?

Anonymous | 6/22/2008, 2:36 pm EST

Jed Clampett

wow, for the first time in the last 10 or more years I didn’t automatically wake up right before 9 am and tune in to my old political descrambler. Sad feeling indeed.

blood for oil of olay | 6/22/2008, 2:46 pm EST

3 Reasons to vote for McCain:

1) He is the only candidate who has an excuse for talking out of the side of his mouth.

2) He regularly posts on the RS National Affairs blog under the pseudonym ‘Jed Clampett’.

3) He read the Tibetan Book of the Dead 99 times while a POW and claims to have gained ’spooky vision’ from that experience.

BurnDaddy | 6/23/2008, 12:18 am EST

DD,
Your name has appeared in the name box on my computer as well. Weird.

DirtyDennis | 6/23/2008, 9:52 am EST

Part of my plot to take over RS.

Actually, I often get ‘other’ people’s names in my ‘Name’ window. Just one of the many quirks herein. I could hypothesize a number of theories as to the ‘why’ but I imagine its merely random.

If I COULD hazzard a theory, I would suppose it’s because my posts are so trenchant.

DirtyDennis | 6/23/2008, 10:08 am EST

But enough about me. My towering modesty dictates that I redirect the conversation somewhere else. Like Obama, maybe?

My earlier comment was directed towards the possibility that he’s making some tactical changes in his campaign that aren’t too promising.

For an ‘agent of change,’ he’s behaving an awful lot like an old-school pol. When it came to debates, he should have said, “Anytime!! Anywhere!!” But what do we get? Politics.

And his position on public funding looks at best, cynical.

This is NOT the same man we say in Feb & Mar. Or is it?

Anonymous | 6/23/2008, 4:36 pm EST

Jed Clampett

Let’s see, the law he is getting around with this move is the McCain-Feingold elections financing act. A law that has some glaring loopholes within in allowing 527s unffetered access to cash and influence. If you don’t think McCain and friends didn’t write those in to help themselves should a situation like this arise, then you are quite naive indeed.

Besides. If we want to talk finance law, let’s talk about the massive loan McCain secured with promises of entering public financing in contravention of election commmissions rules.

I say more power to him. Keep moving around in their own circles and bop them a few good ones. Wanna mess up their lapel pin mantra. Start wearing your own. Vary them day to day. Make it a statement of YOUR mood, not a symbol of your compliance to the beast. Whear a planet earth one day, a pair of welcoming hads the next, An ank as a symbol of life. A cross one day, a star of david the next and a symbol for allah the next. Mix it up so they don’t know what ot criticize.

DD, did you switch allegiances from HRC to McSame now? Could it be that you actually prefer to help out the 2% of the public that makes more than $250 grand a year?

BTW, finally got to watch the new MTP episode. Well, it seems that with Tim missing, it has become the republican soft ball show. Lindsey almost got fellated by Williams while Biden was asked questions that there was no way he could or should answer. Pressured on them even. Lindsey could hardly contain his glee.
I found it interesting how he painted sen Obama as bad… basically… “see, he’s just a damn dirty, lying, money hungry politician that will do anything to win and help his cronies, just like us. See, he’s no saviour, he’s another politician just like us. And you know we can’t be trusted” Rather a sad statement, when your party’s line of defense is ‘he’s as much a crook as the rest of us’… I guess when the senator gets elected, we will find out just how much of a bunch of crooks congress has been.

DirtyDennis | 6/23/2008, 6:29 pm EST

Jed,

You should try a new pair of glasses. You seem to ’see’ things that don’t exist.

The Democratic party has apparently made it’s choice for its candidate and while he wasn’t my first choice, he was my second and I support him in the only way I can, with my vote.

Unlike others, however, I don’t lapse into a myopic trance and assume because BHO is my candidate, he is perfect and above repoach. He is NOT perfect and to my way of thinking, if his campaign doesn’t ratchet it up a few notches, he’ll be in trouble.

You and I will vote for him as will most who visit this website. But WE don’t count. We’re a given. It’s the ‘undecided’ who will determine our next Prez.

From the Washington Post, here are a few of Obama’s “flip-flops” that could cause the ‘undecideds’ to go, “Hmmmm.”

In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as “special interest” money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of “working people” and says he is “thrilled” by their support.

Obama replied “yes” in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same.

In January 2004, Obama said it was time “to end the embargo with Cuba” because it had “utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro.” Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not “take off the embargo” as president because it is “an important inducement for change.”

In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should “crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants.” He replied “Oppose.” In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that “we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation.”

While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.

I have a feeling we’ll be hearing lots more about these matters this Fall. And if he doesn’t clean up this business about the debates REAL quick, that will haunt him right up until election day.

Most voters are NOT issue oriented. Too many vote for ‘the man.’ In my youth, I made the same claim. Scary. Obama is NOT perfect, but if he wants to be the first non-white male to sit in the Oval Office, he had damned well better make himself LOOK perfect.

Johnney Boy is going to portray himself as courageous, resourceful, reliable and dependable. Yawn. And they will paint Obama as youthful, naive and facile. They will not attack his race, they will leave that to the Con machine and TV. EVERYONE knows Obama is of mixed blood. McCain’s machine doesn’t need to say a word.

But they will HAMMER him on anything that portrays him as weak and/or uncertain. Flip-flops and dodging debates play right into their hands.

BurnDaddy | 6/23/2008, 9:58 pm EST

I don’t know why Obama isn’t taking McCain up on the “town-hall” type of debates. I think the contrasts would be startling, and Obama could make McCain look really bad. What’s Obama afraid of?

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:43 am EST

And the idea that people vote on the man ONLY benefits Obama. Did you see McCain’s speech last month after Obama won the nomination? It was like an election for who holds the channel-changer on floor 4 of the nursing home. He looked slow, out of touch and frail. He kept trying to smile and instead kept horrifically twisting his face into something that would have scared small children away. The backdrop looked like a recycling plant. It was pathetic.

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:44 am EST

McCain is not going to be a problem. The only foreseeable issue will be the 527’s and because that is the case, Obama made one of the best decisions of his campaign by foregoing public funds. He will need the extra cash he’s been proven to raise to defeat the slander that will come from those “independent” groups and their deep pockets.

And lastly, “the undecideds” aren’t what will win this thing for Obama; low Republican turnout and high (and new) democratic turnout will. According to you “the undecideds” will vote for “the man” rather than the issue anyway, so even if they do go “hmmm” a bit about Obama’s fickle take on the issues, not only are they going to go “barf” when McCain starts his decrepit rasping about sending their children to die in Iran, giving even more money away to the top 1% and drilling in their backyard for oil, they’re going to really make their decision when McCain starts his denture-challenged “smiling” routine and shows them he‘s less of a man than a skeleton.

McCain simply ain’t going to win in November. It’s kind of sad watching him actually.

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:49 am EST

This website sucks. How hard is it to manage comment’s posts? It is not that hard.

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:50 am EST

Obama does not need to stop flip flopping to survive the big and scary “con machine” because that’s the only way he can win in November.

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:52 am EST

On the contrary, if flip flopping ads to his political coalition and campaign cash chest, that will silence the “scary, big bad con machine” by allowing him to bXy the air time to respond effectively to their attacks the way he has thus far: by making conservatives look tired, wrong and just advocating another term of Bush‘s failed policies.

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:55 am EST

If this poll is correct his strategy is working: a 15 percentage point lead pretty much tells you you’re doing a lot right.

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:55 am EST

And if you care at all about flip-flopping the rest of the world doesn’t. Just look at how many positions “maverick” McCain has abandoned in favor of the GOP party line and Obama’s positions look like solid steel in comparison

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:56 am EST

Like you said, people don’t vote on the issues, they vote on the man.

hellooooo | 6/24/2008, 12:58 am EST

Wow. Below is a dissected post that tries to get past this site’s filter. Apparently, parentheses and the word b_u__y are not allowed on this site.

what the hell.

DirtyDennis | 6/24/2008, 9:20 am EST

Ho,

Parens () is a new one to me, but b*u*y and s*e*l*l have long been identified as killer words. You can say damn but not sh*it. Fu*ck is also out, unless you’re TD. Many seem to stay and use this site although we’ve lost a LOT of good posters ’cause of sh*ittiness of the software.

As to your premise, perhaps. Time will tell. But, you can be DAMNED sure that the Johnney Boy camp is NOT going to let him make THAT mistake again. They’re lucky it happened early on.

I use ‘undecideds’ as some term to cover those who are not party line voters The rabid left, me, will vote for whomever the Dems put forth; the rabid right, Cons, will vote for whomever the GOP puts forth. In between are what I call the ‘undecideds,’ and most of them haven’t even begun to pay attention to what’s going on. I doubt any of them witnessed Johnney Boys debacle.

You would seem to be underestimating the skill of the Johnney Boy camp and overestimating the acumen of the ‘undecideds.’ We have only to look to the last two elections for testimony as to the latter.

I, for one, feel that when it comes to the moment of truth, they’re gonna chicken-sh*it out. There will be countless ways they can rationalize their decision to themselves.

DirtyDennis | 6/24/2008, 9:26 am EST

One ‘rationalization, as they stand, pen in hand, ready to mark or poke or do whatever it takes to select, would be to think, “Well, he HAS flip-flopped a lot.”

No matter that Johnney Boy has flip-flopped as well. No matter that ALL politicians flip-flop. That’s all that ‘undecided’ needs to make it ‘okay’ to vote for Johnney Boy. He’ll be ‘okay’ in his mind. Block out all the rest, he has the crutch they need to justify their vote.

Anonymous | 6/24/2008, 9:34 am EST

Jed Clampett

I see just fine my friend. In fact, I see things most of you are incapable of seeing because of the blinders that have been put on you. It’s unfortunate that most people never realize they have been saddled with this burden. Fortunatelly, others realize it and try to do whatever possible to see what the blinders are hiding. Seems others are content with merely watching the movie and not even thinking twice about why it is developing the way that it is.

I really doubt I will be voting for anyone this cycle. You see, I’ve been reading the writing on the wall and don’t like what I see, some friends and I are leaving this place before you subject it to total destruction. This weekend I got confirmation from someone I handn’t seen in a long time and is working in a field with access to very classified information.
He, as I, don’t believe there is any way we will avoid the global conflict the leaderships are preparing for us. So the best place to ride out such a thing is away from the major population centers. I would suggest you start learning how to live independently as soon as possible. Learn to coax food from nature, you won’t be dependant on ADM or Monsanto for your sustenance.

You see, I am also a bit troubled by sen. Obamas recent contradictions. While I understand the reasons behind them, I am also troubled by the fact that he’s being manipulated away from his true nature, it makes him more plyable in the future to the will of the elites. You see. america’s political swimingpool has been polluted by the sewage of monopolistic, totalitarian industrial materialism. Any candidate that wants to be elected, must first swim in the waters of public opinion in order to be imbued with the shine that will help him rise above the rest. Before he can rise out of the water however, he must break through the layer of filth that covers the pool. As you can imagine this is very difficult, as there is all kinds of material mixed in with this sewage, sometimes the candidate is forced to swallow some of it and spit it back out. The question is, will he make it through the sewage without getting infected? Not likely, we saw what happened to Bush, he came from the layer of sewage to beging with so he was immune to most of the sh*t that stuck to him. Obama comes from the water, so apparently any sh*t that sticks to him will be much easier to see.

To be honest, I don’t hold out much hope. In the end, he has to convince the elites, the 3%-ers… the rockefellers, hughes, kennedy’s, bushes, and other ‘leaders’ of industry and politics… that it is time to stop thinking selfishly and work to better the entire nation. Unfortunately, they will not, because they think like the gliebe, in terms of us against them, and therefore will never realize that the real conflict is between us and IT.

Anonymous | 6/24/2008, 6:27 pm EST

(Somewhere In The Middle)

Dennis – I think you are right on the money with the over-zealousness for Obama. Sometimes I can’t tell if people are talking about Barack Obama or the second coming of Christ. It seems that many are building him up to be this flawless candidate that will singlehandedly solve all the world’s ills, when truth be told, he’s a politician and has plenty of flaws. The problem will come when those flaws begin to show and the people that have built him up to be this savior realize he isn’t perfect and possibly turn against him for not living up to their unreasonable expectations.

DirtyDennis | 6/24/2008, 6:47 pm EST

Midman,

True enough. It’s tough to be a savior. As long as you keep pulling rabbits out of a hat, they love you. Come to think of it, I haven’t seen BHO even pull a rabbit out yet. If I were he, I’d save those slight of hands for the 11th hour.

Right now he’s not even a good politician. He should have told Johnney Boy, “Good idea,” about the debates. “Have your people talk to mine.”

Anonymous | 6/25/2008, 9:30 am EST

Jed Clampett

Being skilled in diplomacy means not letting your opponent set the tone and place for debates or anything else, particularly when he is in a weaker position. Either you are recently awakened to the political systems on this planet or you plan on pulling for the elites that have treated you like crap for so long?

There will be debates, you know that, McCain knows that and every other imbecile republican trying to beat this political point into the sheeples heads knows that. The negotiations are failing due to absurd demands on the republican side designed as poison pill tactics. Then they blame the stalled negotiations on the opponent. That is how they got congress back during the middle of Clinton’s highly successful economic policy and other successes. It was one of the same tactics used in my country to beat down the democraticaly elected $ociali$t government.
These guys have learned their lessons well, don’t fall for it like those in my country did. These are military psyops operations, we already have evidence of their operations within borders in contravention of the constitution, you can bet they are doing much more. They have shown they are running amock and these misterious heart attacks happening to importantly placed people have echoes of a time when intelligence services used their potions to circumvent laws against murdering inconveninent individuals.

I don’t think Sen Barak needs any build up from me or anyone else, he’ll do fine by himself. And if he does have divine help, like a chosen one so to speak (which is a fallacy, there are many and they need to get active), who am I to try and interfere or ridicule its tactics? Why try to turn public opinion against him by nitpicking every little thing he says and amplifying every small mistake like a trusty foxbot?
As if you don’t have to play in some of the muck in this country to get ahead. How can you get through such a flawed system without gathering some flaws yourself?

As you can see, McCain is self destructing every time he opens his mouth, right now he’s sounding like a whinny little bitc#. Is that how he hopes to engage Musharraff or any other world leader? He’s F’kn toast.

McCain should be reminded that the 527 loophole in the “MCCAIN-Feingold” campaign reform act is what Sen Obama is avoiding by keeping the financing method that has worked for him so far… principally lots of small donors donating via his website instead of ‘bundlers’ and ‘champions’ or whatever they are calling those folks they had gaming the system. He’s doing it by garnering support from the regular folk, and if you truly supported him, you would go to the web site and donate $20… $200 or whatever you think may be an apropiate tax exempt contribution like I did. You can just bet all of McCain’s ‘friends’, you know the ones he’s referencing in his opening statements (My friends,cronies,countrymen), will be dumping the limits of $2300 individual and $28000 into every 527 they can.
You must be insane if you hope to help republicans keep control of anything better than a city council, much less the presidency.

Anonymous | 6/25/2008, 12:44 pm EST

(Somewhere In The Middle)

I agree Dennis. I think he should have stuck with his “anytime, anywhere” approach instead of suggesting only two debates including the one on July 4 when no one will be at home watching TV. That doesn’t sound like a man confident in his message as he did when he said he would debate “anytime, anywhere,” but one that is trying to avoid having his message challenged.

Anonymous | 6/25/2008, 1:05 pm EST

(Somewhere In The Middle)

(Somewhere In The Middle)

Jed, I am sure that the Republicans are doing what they can to put on debates/townhalls that will most benefit McCain, and in turn I’m sure the Democrats are doing the same thing for Obama. I agree with you that that is just how things work.

Anonymous | 6/25/2008, 1:12 pm EST

(Somewhere In The Middle)

The greatest challenge for Obama is whether or not he can follow through on the notion that he is different.

Anonymous | 6/25/2008, 1:13 pm EST

(Somewhere In The Middle)

He will have to avoid implementing the same formulas or tactics as used by Old Washington.

Anonymous | 6/25/2008, 1:35 pm EST

Somewhere In The Middle

If Obama cannot do that, all the talk about C_hange will mean nothing other than the implementation of some $_ocial ist policies, which in a C_apital ist society, might not go over well.

Anonymous | 6/25/2008, 2:32 pm EST

Jed Clampett

I agree on the painting him as a regular politician bit. Just go online and watch last sundays meet the press. Lindsey graham’s testimony was almost a oneminded republican drumbeat. The same drumbeat that so effectively worked like the pied piper’s flute and led us to war.

I’ll give the Repubicans one thing… they sure are united in their onemindedness. I guess you have to be in order to function in a totalitarian system such as the republican party.
They risk chocking on their own paint, however. When someone does a montage of how resolutely all these republican senators played the same tune as bushney… or mabus, whatever… they will feel quite lonely up there on the $250,000 and above tax bracket. You know… the 3%-ers.

BTW. MSNBC or one of those channels is going to do a series on how 1% of the people in america came to control 90% of the wealth. Should be interesting to watch if you other folks would like to be informed.

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