With Sen. Clinton’s conceding, victory for the Democratic Party in November is a pipedream. “Unity” to win the election is a hopeless cause. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. De facto Obama supporter House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.

Sen. Clinton was the only winning choice; she was the best qualified and the strongest candidate to defeat John McCain and win the general election in a landslide victory hands down. A crushing defeat awaits a corrupt Democratic Party in November.

Clinton supporters are not necessarily die-hard Democrats, so why would they ‘transfer’ to Obama this fall? They wanted a canidate with experience and know-how, so their next logical choice would be McCain. DNC needs to wake up and realize that the candidate that embodies their naive ideal is not necessarily the candidate who will be elected president.

That’s it folks, cut of your nose to spite your face.

That’s it folks. Cut of your nose to spite your face.

That’s it folks. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

Sen Clinton supported the usury/credit card company support act…errrrr bankruptcy bill. Some friend of the working class. She’s a corporate tool. Good riddance.

Obama certainly did win the primary election fair and square. There are some excellent analyses of why Clinton didn’t win it — suggest you read those. Unless you love how the Republicans have been governing for the past two terms, better vote for Obama in November.

Lots of sour grapes this morning. It appears the Clinton supporters don’t have the sense their candidate does.

Hillary finally shows some class. The previous posts authors are in denial. The Obama tidalwave is going to crash down upon their heads. Senator Clinton shows she knows how to catch a wave!

I was referring to the first 3 posts BTW.

If people somehow will now vote for McCain, because Clinton is out, makes NO sense whatsoever … NONE! ….

the Supreme Court is WHY ALL AMERICAN’S need to elect a DEMOCRAT ……
McNasty is not what this country needs….
McGrandpa will only be a clone of the WORST PRESIDENT is our history ……

OBAMA ‘08
Let’s ALL get on board and return this country to sanity ….

United we Stand, Divided we fall ……

Yes We Can!
OBAMA ‘08

Repugs! You know who you are, you miserable creatures spreading your corrupt empire propaganda like a cancer on the American people. I wish you’d all take a nice long late night swim in mid Pacific ocean.

Why in the World would ANY woman vote or a Republican in the first place? …. That’s always been a mystery to me … Why would a woman want someone else, george bush etc… How to run their life and their bodies…. It amazes me … Do republican woman need to be told? …
McCan’t will not be nice to women … Wake Up and let’s elect someone who can and will help us all out of BushWorld and back into reality! …..
OBAMA ‘08

speaking of miserable creatures….
I’m sure glad I don’t live in Conn.
LIEberman is nothing but a pile ….

A class act would have been to graciously concede on tuesday evening, acknowledging what a truly momentous thing Senator Obama’s victory is for the country, instead of waiting until four days later after the party demanded it of her, making clear to her that to do otherwise would end her political future. If there was ever any class in this woman she would NEVER have answered the question of Obama’s religion with- he’s not a muslim, “as far as I know.” There is simply no forgiveness for actions that unscrupulous.

Here are some simple facts: Out of 55 contests (primaries and caucuses, including PR, DC, Guam, and FL), Obama won 34 and Clinton 21. They were virtually tied (within 1%) in primary popular votes, but Obama trounced Clinton in the caucus states. Nancy Pelosi and the DNC had nothing to do with it. The outcome would have been the same if the DNC had fully counted both Florida and Michigan for Hillary.

Another factoid: In voting primaries, DEMOCRATS OUTVOTED REPUBLICANS 35 MILLION TO 19 MILLION (The ratio was the same even before McCain clinched) and the Democrats will many more new voters over the few months.

I feel there was nothing wrong with Hillary’s timing. Others including Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy waited longer. A few days for cooler heads to prevail was probably a good thing.

Just relax my fellow Democrats. I have every confidence in the genius of Barack Obama. His choice of running mate and timing that announcement will be spot on perfect.

I’m crossing my fingers that it’ll be Kerry, but I’m not worried in the least.

Hey Repugs, I know this is a time-worn quote but I find it quite appropos”

Be afraid . . . be VERY afraid.

I backed Obama from the beginning but would’ve supported Sen. Clinton had she won this nomination even after all the mudslinging her handlers attemped. I thank her for giving this speech today, and as much as I’ve been disgusted by and lambasted some of the tactics Sen. Clinton used throughout this campaign, I can’t disagree with many of her ideals which are nearly identical to the positions of Sen. Obama.

As for the Clinton supporters, I know the heavy majority are people who recognize how important the next four years are to the rehabilitation of America. If you thought she was the better, more qualified candidate on the ballot to tackle these issues and supported her until June 3rd, you had every right to. Everyone I’ve talked to that supported Sen. Clinton has shared a mindset similar to that of Hilary Rosen when she said “I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama’s campaign because I am not a bargaining chip, I am a Democrat.”

But I’m still hearing and reading (including on this board below) from what I’m now calling “the Hillary Extremists”, a small but dedicated group along the lines of the NRA, PETA, the Evangelical Right and the 9/11 Truthers and other fringe groups I’m completely terrified of. They continue to claim a popular vote victory even if those votes include racists voting against an African American, Limbaugh Republicans trying to prolong the race for their own gain, the Soviet-style Michigan vote with 0 votes for Obama, while ignoring the fact that caucus states (which Obama dominated) unlike primary states can’t provide an accurate total, as well as the fact that each state has different rules (some states only allowed Democrats, meaning Republicans wanting to vote the other way and independents were locked out, and some states allowed both).

They’re also deranged and delusional in thinking somehow this election was “stolen”. The rules, which all the candidates agreed to, were that this was a race for delegates. Obama won more, as well as winning more states, a huge fundraising advantage, and not using pretend math, the popular vote. That sounds like a fair election to me. You blame the DNC for stealing this, but it wasn’t until May 12th that Obama took a superdelegate lead (because of the loyalty of veteran party leaders) and although the media’s coverage was definitely slanted and sexist, they anointed Hillary Clinton the nominee over a year ago and gave her every opportunity to be the presumptive nominee before a vote was ever cast (watch The Daily Show’s brilliant montage of pundits from the past year announcing Clinton’s victory a foregone conclusion). And even after Obama showed that the galvanized crowds at the rallies and speeches would translate into the voting booth, Sen. Clinton’s candidacy was considered viable by the media because of who she was (as Maureen Dowd put it in a column a few months back, if Obama lost 10 straight primaries to Sen. Clinton, would we even remember his name?)

The greater point now that this long process has reached its conclusion is that regardless of who came out on top from Day 1, the gap between Obama’s positions and Clinton’s positions is minuscule compared to the gap between theirs and McCain’s. Hillary Extremists, what do you gain by hoping John McCain wins? What does it say that you would continue supporting your candidate by supporting one who stands for everything she doesn’t? Doesn’t that really just say that you liked Hillary Clinton for some other unknown reason rather than her values and ideals?

I thank Sen. Clinton for this gracious exit and historic campaign, and welcome her supporters who are uniting for the greater good of America. I’m thankful to hear from those who aren’t elevating their own vindictiveness over what’s best for America. And to that very small but very vociferous number who are stricken with a combination of denial and delusion, I hope you come around as cooler heads prevail in the coming months and more details are exposed about McSame. But can we win this election without you? YES WE CAN!

How many people who voted for Hillary were Republicans trying get the more divisive Democratic candidate nominated? That was a very vocal strategy advocated by NeoCons. I wonder those are the same people who posting on boards like this one saying they will vote for John McCain this November.

Some of the so called Hillary extremists referred to are possibly trolls trying to block unity. Yes, they are probably very afraid. Any true Hillary supporter that votes McCain will have the blood of servicemen on their hands.

Right on JP!

Landslide. Any so- called Hillary supporter saying that he’ll vote for McCain would have voted for McCain anyway, cause those are the Limbaugh creeps in the first place. Everyone knows you are all a joke to begin with, trolls. The only people stupid enough to take the 15 of you seriously are yourselves. Landslide.

I’m one of them 17 million Hillary supporters that will vote for Obama because I’m a Democrat…The only thing I worry about is Buzzflash…Now that they don’t have Hillary to bash around, what are they going to write about??..Oh, I just remembered, McCain’s still out there…I hope Buzzflash remembers that…

Obama supporters are not only crude but rude! I wouldn’t vote for Obama even if Hillary was on the ticket. McCain will be my choice because I care about this nation! True Democrats are leaving the party to the leftists and the so called leaders of the party. Most Democrats are in the middle and not the extreme left like the party has become! No more of my money or votes will be wasted on the political party!

I am very suspicious of accounts of angry Hillary Clinton supporters who say that they will now vote for John McCain. A vote for McCain means the destruction of Roe vs. Wade. I cannot believe that femenists would vote against their own interests. I can believe however that this may be another slimy tactic of the Rove-Atwater Swiftboat brigade. Didn’t Rush Limbaugh’s followers vote in large numbers in the Indiana primary for Clinton?

From day 1, Hillary Clinton had a millstone around her neck, namely Bill Clinton. That she chose to continue living with him after he embarrassed her to the entire world was a fatal error. There are many people who see no honor in them. Him because of his behavior, her because she tied her future to a man who disrespected her and their daughter. Speaking of daughter, do others see it as abusive to have Chelsea campaigning, knowing she would have to defend her father for being an inmature sexual predator, when there is no defense? The Clintons’ actions do not show me courage, strength or a viable role model. That they had the sheer gaul to put themselves in the citizens face after all the damage they caused America and the Democratic Party (George W. Bush), shows a monumental selfishness and greed. Like other nations, when a female presents herself, on her own not coat-tail, strengths, skills, and good character, the American people will not reject her. It is still a truism; You can fool some of the people……

I am very suspicious of accounts of angry Hillary Clinton supporters who say that they will now vote for John McCain. A vote for McCain means the destruction of Roe vs. Wade. I cannot believe that femenists would vote against their own interests. I can believe however that this may be another slimy tactic of the Rove-Atwater Swiftboat brigade. Didn’t Rush Limbaugh’s followers vote in large numbers in the Indiana primary for Clinton?

I’m a Democrat who has recently leaned independent. Neither Obama nor Clinton was a first, second, third or even fourth pick in the Democratic pack. I’ve been an Obama supporter since the other choices dropped out.

I was very pleasantly surprised by the quality and graciousness of today’s speech. Like others here, I would have preferred that this had been the speech of Tuesday rather than Saturday — primarily because I fear that the news that HRC was called by her supporters Wednesday will be used to taint the speech for some. Whatever the timing and cause, it was one of the best of this season and may be considered historic (along with Obama’s “race” speech).

I also think that many or most of those who some have referred to as “Hillary extremists” are Republicans who crossed over. I can’t conceive of any true feminist voting for McCain and the right wing. And the thought of Obama being a “leftist” is laughable. In fact, his moderation and the general lack of difference between his positions and Clinton’s were the major reason why he was so far down the list for me. The main reason that I chose him over Clinton had nothing to do with gender, it had to do with the fact that my son is in Iraq on his third tour and Clinton not only enabled this fiasco, but then refused to concede that it was a mistake and then voted for Kyl-Lieberman — which leads me to fear that she has not learned any lessons.

For the few feminists who are among these holdouts (the PUMAs of the world), voting to end reproductive freedom and continuing to empower the Religious Right’s agenda by voting McCain hardly seems reasonable. Obama certainly has a better record on feminist issues than McCain and may have a better record than either Clinton. And, when I look at some of the women who could run in the future (Boxer, Sebelius, Napolitano, and many others) I am heartened. If the Dems win this one, I can certainly see the next President being a woman.

I think that Democrats and Independents should look at this primary and really see its historic nature. Here was a race where the press annointed a woman over a year ago as being inevitable and a person of color won in primarily white electorates. Add to that fact that the fourth most popular candidate was Hispanic. The white male candidates — all of whom were qualified to be president — were not inevitable. So our top four candidates truly represented the diversity of our country. Now think back even four years and consider how radical this situation is — and how promising it is for our future. America may be hitting a tipping point where the content of a person’s character and a person’s talents are more important than their race, ethnicity, or gender. This is truly revolutionary.

I thought it was a very good speech. Too bad she did not have the humility or grace to do it Tuesday.

Additionally, I certainly believe this election is ours (Democrats) to loose. Even staunch conservatives can’t stand John McCain. In my staff meeting one such conservative noted: “The Republicans made history too. We nominated the first Democrat as our presidential candidate.”

That’s really “presidential” behaviour, Hillary! Would you do the “sour grapes” routine every time things didn’t go your way? You give the impression you are your own woman, but your indicisions indicate you’d be leaning on Bill and he’d very much be in the picture with your presidency. Why do you seek the VP spot when you insist you’d make the better candidate for president? Does that mean you’ve changed your opinion of Obama? Are you still hoping he’ll screw up before Nov. which would open up the door for you? Why don’t you just give over your supporters?

These are the facts of the Democratic Primaries:

1. Both Florida and Michigan broke DNC rules by holding their primaries on dates not approved by the DNC. Hence, they were stripped of their delegates per party rules.

2. BOTH Clinton and Obama agreed with the DNC about the stripping of the delegates.

3. Obama removed his name from the Michigan ballot but Clinton did not. Obama was honoring the ruling of the DNC – Clinton chose not to.

3. When Clinton realized her chances of winning the nomination could rest on getting the delegates from Florida and Michigan seated, she changed her initial position on the DNC ruling.

If you’re still angry about the DNC ruling, you have to look at the remaining facts: Clinton did not have the delegates she needed to secure the nomination nor could she get them from any other primaries – seating Florida and Michigan were her only hope left.

There was no conspiracy against her, no rigging of the nomination in Obama’s favor.

The DNC could not simply hand over all the delegates from Michigan just because Clinton was the sole candidate on the ballot.

I will be frank and honest with anyone who supported Clinton: As much as the negative turn her campaign took, as much as she erroneously made McCain look better, as much as polarizing a nominee she would be, and as much as you and I both know her candidacy for president would be blatantly barraged by the right, I would have still voted for her if she were the nominee.

Most Obama supporters feel the same way – we must take back the White House and keep McCain out of it.

These are the stakes, this is our future, this is what really matters.

We have one nominee now and if we want to end the war in Iraq, get our children healthcare, bring down energy costs, bring as many jobs as we can back, end the bovine scatoloy politics the right has employed for nearly 20 years, and reclaim our country then we need to find something in all our hearts to stand as one party, unified behind Obama.

crat3,The nomination wasnt rigged, Obamas the best, its this generations time.

I’m a Hillary supporter who will vote for Obama. I don’t mind him. It’s his half-witted supporters that I can’t stand.

My mom, age 76 here in FL, and not usually interested in politics, said exactly what Rolling Stone said about Hillary’s speech.

I’m not quite sure what this means!

But, I am looking forward to voting for Obama (even though I wanted Hillary to win the Dem nomination).

And, please Dems – don’t blow it in November! Get together! Stay together! Be nice to independents who WANT to vote for you this year!

Yes, I hope Dems will win in November! Let’s go, go, go!!!!!

This election is not about McCain, Obama or Clinton, it’s about whether we’ll enter the 21st century or not.

McCain talks green but he hasn’t a clue. He talks green because he needs those voters. But if the last 7 years have taught us anything it’s this: Republicans are only interested in foreign policy and big business. McGrandpa has NO (read ZERO) intention of actually providing a sound energy policy that’s not based on oil. Oil greases big business and runs everything. That’s the legacy of the 20th century and the wet dream of Republicans. Well, we live in the 21st. We need a new energy policy. He is in bed with oil companies because he’s a 20th century politician. He also LOVES war. He is a hawk. He needs and wants a foreign policy based on war. Where is the best place to have a war? The Middle East. Where there’s lots of oil. It’s ALL CONNECTED. And McGrandpa can’t wait to start his OWN war.

But a 21st century energy policy will not be based on carbon. It will be based on wind, solar and H2. Do you hear words like ‘foreign policy’, ‘war’, or ‘Middle East’ anywhere in that type of policy?

NO.

McGrandpa is NOT a sound energy policy candidate.

If you vote for him, you ensure your kids see a draft, cars that get 20mpg, and gasoline costing $8/g. If that’s what you want, you will vote for McCain.

Senator Clinton lost this election because of her Iraq War vote and her refusal to accept responsibility for it. Americans are angry about being lied into this quagmire. The “surge” is nothing more than a good old fashioned Vietnam style escalation. Congress and the traditional media are complicit and that is why impeachment is off the table. War profits no one but the war profiteers. Follow the money. Wake up and smell the propaganda America.

Crat3: Is there some sort of worm-hole you’re using to get from whatever planet you coming from? Because not one thing you said is based on the reality here in USA, Earth. McCain has Yuri Andropov written all over him and will be lucky if he doesn’t naturally expire before the end of October. People saw both Hillary and Obama for who they are–and that is precisely why she lost. And if Hillary couldn’t even beat Obama given all of her pre-election advantages in money, organization, and name-recognition, how in the world would that translate to her being ‘the strongest candidate to defeat John McCain’??? Please refrain from posting in the future; you need to do a lot more ingesting and digesting of information rather than laying a dookie like that submission. Now go back to the planet Gorgon.

Well crat3 you just don’t make sense. If she couldn’t come out ahead and defeat Barrack, logic dictates she could’t beat The woman hater McxCain. When all Hillary’s girls find out that McxCain dumped his first wife imediatly after she was seriously injured in a car crash, for a younger very wealthy women they will come to realize how he thinks of women. It has been well reported that he called his present wife the “C” word in public. It is dispicable anytime but, in public no less. What kind of a man does not think women should make their own medical decisions?

“It will be based on wind, solar and H2.”

Hahahah, no. Sorry. Get your head out of your ass and realize that that there isn’t enough land on Earth to power civilization’s growing needs, even if we cover every inch of it with solar panels or turbines. Hydrogen is just another atop-gap solution to oil, and would require too massive of a infrastructure change to be feasible. All things point to electric being the most viable way to go. Given this, nuclear power is the most sustainable and realistic clean energy that we are going to be able to current undertake. Obama is not the candidate to go this route, considering it is typically the Democratic base that gets scared anytime something involving “ATOMS!” pops up. McCain at least has a more reasonable policy on nuclear, but we need to invest in fusion research as our top priority.

Jay, you don’t think that mandating solar panels on homes would solve your electricity problem? Or, what about a small solar panel that specifically charges the electric car in the garage?

If Germany can do it, why can’t we? We have more sun than them.

jarhead is 100% right.

only the war profiteers are winning this occupation. it is a classic redirection of our tax dollars. republicans are going to pay such a heavy price for this war; and when obama is in the white house they will still deny that this war is the reason why they lost power.

the real patriotic voters will be heard, it is inevitable.

Although I am ambiguous about Hillary, there’s no denying that Hillary Clinton is a force in and of itself. And time will tell if she is to be the Vice Presidential nominee. It is up to Sen. Obama to make the decision of who will join him on the ticket.

I do know that a Obama/Clinton ticket would definitely put an end to the McCain Express.

So we will see over the next day and weeks ahead who will share the ticket with Mr.Obama.

I guess if it came down to it I would put Hillary on. But then I am reminded about Princess Diana’s remarks during her final interview: she felt that there were 3 people in her marriage.

So, if Hillary is the VP nominee: there will be 3 people in the next White House:

Barack,Hillary and Bill.

Food for thought

Coach: Haha, get real. Where to start?

1) Solar panels are EXPENSIVE for the amount you get in return. At this point in time, paying back the cost of panels takes a LONG time. If you say the government should subsidize them, I’d like to know where all that money is going to come from. Don’t forget that there will be a hole in the budgets from where the heavy taxes on gas would have been. Sure we could do like Germany and provide heavy incentives, but wreckless spending is pointless when it should be spent on other more economical sources of energy (until more research is done in the future). Cheap ideas like solar water heating is a more viable use of roof-space.

2) Did you think about the most obvious flaw? Most people would charge their cars at night. Unless we adopt a Draculian schedule, charging with solar won’t work so hot at night! Capturing the energy during the day and storing it would also be extremely inefficient.

At this time solar panels remain a toy for people with more money than sense, and are better at making a statement than anything else (for large applications).

Jay: “Capturing the energy during the day and storing it would also be extremely inefficient.”

If that’s the case, then how does Munich, Germany pull it off with less sun? Waiting…..PS: It only takes 10 minutes to charge the new EVs, which can be done first thing in the morning if need be.

To solve the cost, subsidize mass production, obviously. Money? Where? Where do you think? Iraq fund.

“If that’s the case, then how does Munich, Germany pull it off with less sun? Waiting…..PS: It only takes 10 minutes to charge the new EVs, which can be done first thing in the morning if need be.”

I’m just stating that energy captured from modern photo voltaic rooftop solar panels does not offer a very good return of power for the high cost, when the money could be better spent in other sources of power.

“To charge a 35-kWh battery in 10 minutes requires 250 kilowatts of power—five times as much as the average office building consumes at its peak.”

So you can see how that would add up. The other solar ideas like concentrating sunlight with mirrors to boil water for a steam generator looks more promising though.