Has any law been broken?

Jed Clampett

Only if you understand that it is against the constitution to use the powers of the nation’s security apparatus against the population.
The use of military personnel, ‘retired’ or otherwise, to conduct a psy-ops campaign within the country against the public in an effort to mislead and obfuscate intelligent objective debate, then I guess some would say the constitution itself has been impinged. If that doesn’t merit an impeachment and in depth investigation of the political structure that made the deception possible, then I think we should go back to investigating steroids in baseball and spying on football teams and accept any ‘magic bullet’ theory to explain away our doubts, sit on the couch with the remote in one hand, a beer on the other and watch american idol as we wait for our ’saviour’ to take us to ‘heaven’

You can rant and rave all you want, but if there’s no law broken, I think that will be the end of it.

Hail, I’m offended they allow the military to spend tax $$$ to advertise for requitment.

Let’s face it, this country is a military state. We should be more concerned that the Cons not turn the soldiers loose on the citizenry than some old farts steering the lemmings to one cliff or another.

Jed Clampett

ranting and raving? funny. I see the way the world is falling appart because of the deception perpetrated on a few by the many. Now, if you don’t think the military conducting psy-ops against it’s own citizenry is not the first step towards military action such as the home invasions perpetrated by the police,. then I suggest you look up the history of Chile and it’s civil war, how it started and who supported it, how it was carried out. I may have been just a kid, but I was very aware of what was being done and how. Do you really think there are no laws against misleading the state into war for political expediency and profit? Or do you think that just because they aren’t enforced they don’t exist? You do realize POTUS is the enforcer in chief, right? would he enforce the laws against himself?

I guess if your not one of the lemmings, or one that can get caught up in their stampede to the ledge, you have nothing to worry about. At what point did you separate yourself from humanity that you think you can escape the same fate?

The last I checked, this is a republic, with elected representatives acting as our agents. You can put talking heads on TV all day long and I would like to think that Congress is unimpressed.

Let’s see, an ex-military guy telling us ‘positive’ things about our invading Iraq.

I think I started questioning ANY military ‘mind’ sometime during Viet Nam. Since then I’ve subscribed to the “..believe half of what you see” notion. If the rest of humanity wants to believe any of what they hear, that’s their problem.

Jed Clampett

so you would be fine with letting your brothers be delude and misled, as long as it doesn’t affect you… when it does affect you, which ultimately it must, will you have as much success as the ones with the money and the power to convince them back? I guess you feel it’s ok to mislead, misinform and obfuscate truth. I thought this nation was all about truth and justice? What, americans have decided to accept the lies, but not the consequences? Seems a bit hypocrytical to allow your leaders to demand things from other nations that you would not demand from your own, no?

Have you ever seen ‘what dreams may come’ with robin williams. Catch it sometime. When you do, tell me what you think caused Robin’s wife in the film to wind up where she had to be extricated from. I’m curious to see if you can recognize the issue. Hint, it’s not the obvious BS the established apparatus would impose. Never mind… I realize you don’t ever follow my suggestion or evidence… that way you think about me thing again. Enjoy your time.

Because I believe something to ‘be,’ does not necessarily mean I endorse it. I have no trouble believing tornados and hurricanes to be real, but that doesn’t mean I like them.

I can’t do anything about them just as I can’t do anything about the way other people ‘think.’

If I were Emperor of America, you can bet there’d be a HAIL of a lot of changes made. But I’m not.

Since Mork & Mindy I’ve made a point to avoid Robin Williams. Since I’ve disconnected my TV, I doubt I’ll stumble across it. Since it’s only $2.50 on the internet, who knows …

Jed Clampett

I’m rather dissapointed that you think that the only way to effect meaningful change is by imperial imposition. It belies that you don’t really undesrtand the principles behind democracy. The only way democracy works is if the populace becomes involved, informed and educated about the system and it’s processes. It does not surprise me after having experienced america’s version of an educational system. Then again, it also has to with personal motivation, as anything else does.

While tornados and hurricanes and volcanoes are act of nature, and by their sheer size we seem powerless to prevent or affect them… we may just find in a near future that this is not necesarily the case. Think me nuts if you will, your prerogative, other’s have been ridiculed before. Only to be later accepted as truth under the weight of undeniable evidence.

It is unfortunate that you, as many others, have been convinced by these misleaders and the prevailing situations that you are inconsequential and that your voice, joined to many others, won’t crumble a temple of cold hard stone when the right intent is invoked. I guess some of us truly didn’t understand any of the lessons and prefered to believe the ritual and the lies.

What do you think modern society would do to the christ if he were to show himself?

Jed Clampett

if you do, try to catch the alternate ending. it’s alot more closer to truth than the holywood ending.

Dennis: A law has indeed been broken – a 1951 prohibition on federal money being used for domestic propaganda.

The precedent for its illegality being the GAO’s ruling that the Department of Education’s paying conservative pundit Armstrong Williams hundreds of thousands of dollars to promote No Child Left Behind scandal was an illegal use of federal money for domestic propaganda. I’m not sure what charges if any were filed in that case.

Hello,

I guess this has to do with the definition of propaganda. If what you say is so, I certainly hope someone steps forward and issues an indictment. But I don’t expect it to happen.

Jed,

We’re NOT a democracy. Never have been and it was never intended. The founding fathers meant to keep the Average Dennis from having too much say and they succeeded. You yourself have said time and again that the power lies with the $$$.

You singled out the problem, this country’s education(less) system. The irony is we’ve been brainwashed from childhood, in violation, it would seem, of a 1951 statute against propaganda.

The federal government is the biggest propaganda machine in the world.

Dennis: In the precedent I mentioned, the GAO is very clear about the legal definition of propaganda.
You will have a very hard time arguing that the Message Force Multiplier operation doesn’t fit this definition.

“”publicity or propaganda” is defined by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) to mean either (1) self-aggrandizement by public officials, (2) purely partisan activity, or (3) “covert propaganda.” By covert propaganda, GAO means information which originates from the government but is unattributed and made to appear as though it came from a third party.”

Jed Clampett

Sweet!!

DD, that may be the original documentation, but not the intent. You realize there were huge debates over slavery and how to define it. Yet it was such a big economic impact on the wealthy that it was left for a future time, as they were sure that the process of evolution and revisiting of the constitution and it’s protections therein would eventually be modified to rectify the discrepancy. You saw how long that took.
HOwever that does not mean that we have to accept it and take it quietly. Write a letter to your congressman, or any you might support or dislike, let these people know we are watching and how we feel. they are not likely to read them all, but if you are flooding their mailboxes they have to listen… it means votes and voter sentiment and that is bread and water to these b_uys… er. guys.

You think he might feel this whole mess ain’t worth saving since so few decided to try to be like him instead of waiting for him to come save us?

Jed,

I’ve often wondered what Jesus would think if he were to ‘return.’ I fear he knows and that’s why he and the big guy have stayed away. We’ve made our bed and are destined to sleep in it.

As for the founding fathers’ ‘intent,’ that is fertile ground for speculation. Just which ‘founding father’ do you adhere to? It’s my understanding that Jefferson, Madison, certainly Hamilton and to some extent even Adams didn’t trust the teeming masses. Senators were, you will recall, elected by state legislatures, NOT the people.

Hello,

You seem right on top of all this. Can you say if anyone is persuing prosecution?

Jed Clampett

Or they are working behind the scenes to raise consciousness and get the people ready for when they have to drive out their common enemy. Not that it will be easy, but one has to be prepared and in the right frame of spirit to help rather than hinder. I find it rather strange that you would hold hope at arm’s length, do you really think the few good souls would be sacrificed because of the majority that allow themselves to get trapped?
I think evidence is making clear that our bed has some microscopic bed bugs that need to be fumigated or otherwise compelled to stop parasiting the sleeping humanity and leave the bed… so to speak. It would be much easier if more people had aspired to the ideal that had been set for us. oh well.

Stayed away… that’s pretty funny. Do you think the Dalai is the only ancient spirit here? When you think about it, the dalai is the true holder of power, he has the attention of many kind hearted souls. Quite the amazing feat… but few realize this.

The Dali is ‘good,’ just as Hesus was good. It’s just that there’s a LOT more bad guys these days.

Your assessment of me, this time, is very close. I’ve never had a problem with your ideology, just your methodology from time to time.

Jed Clampett

Not really, they just happen to be more vocal because of what is driving them.
It is time to raise the right voices to drown out the incessant droning of stupidity.