China will not be blackmailed by the Olympic game. Western countries, Dalai Lama and Tibetans miscalculated it. China can give the holding of Olympic game. It is not a big deal.

As a Chinese outside China, I am veru sad to see this kind of crack down from 1989 to present. Indeed, Olympic game is a one time deal, but freedom inside China is a long-term benefit for all the people inside China which includes Tibet.

We all know the many problems with the Chinese government. But what about the innocent chinese murdered and hurt by the riots. Hurting innocents for whatever cause is the act of terrorism.
Beside, most Tibetans youths are educated in Tibetan schools spreading extremist believes and violent. Some are brainwashed to hate and bred for violence. Sounds familiar?

Does anyone know that Tibet under Dalai Lama was a slavery state?

Does anyone know that Tibet was considered part of China long before Columbus discoverd American?

Does anyone care that most of the victims in this riot were innocent ethnic Chinese?

The person called the Tibetans terrorists sounds much like the mouth (or the other hole) of the communist government. It’s disgusting! Propaganda does not live long. You will be ignored. EOM

Isn’t Buddhism the same religion practiced by the majority of Chinese too? Does anyone know if there is a difference between Buddhism practice by Chinese and that of Tibetan?

I learned that Tibetan monks belonged to the ruling class in old Tibet because the Tibetan people were deeply religious. The Tibetan nobles worked hand in hand with Monks to maintain social hierarchy. All the lands are owned by the nobles and monastery and common Tibetans had to work their butts off to make the ruling class fat and lazy.

The Tibetan Exile government are the nobles who got their land taken away and kicked out of Tibet. No wonder they are pissed. I guess everyon has his own story to tell.

Yes, terrorists are in the making – but the maker of the terrorists is nobody but Chinese government. It is the government’s long-term, stupid and brutal policies towards the Tibetan in Tibet that has made, are making more and more voilence and terrorists there. Both Tibetan and Han Chinese are victims of the policies.

What the Chinese Gov’t has to hide to the soutside world if they want to show what’s really going on in Tibet? First, they kicked out all the reporters, then they blocked foreign media, and finally they come up and like, “we are innocent and Tibetans people leave us in chaos.” you think the world will believe on your phony story? Gimme a break. Meanwhile the worst is still yet to come, I mean either boycottig the Olympics from the Int’l community or Chinese Gov’t has to face huge criticism on their human rights value. BTW, if the Chinese gov’t doesn’t know how to treat properly and don’t value the Human natural right, I think China should step outside of the Int’ community.

Thanks for the acknowledgment.

I am not pro Chinese government what so ever. I am pro Chinese people. I just want to point out the parallel and the flip side of the coin while the rest of the world riding on their high horses are quick to offer their opinions even they have no idea what they are talking about.

With regard to TT’s comments, there are many more Tibetan victims of murderous Chinese police than Chinese victims of Tibetan rioters. The police began the violence by attacking peacefully marching monks. Tibet is a distinct nation which has experenced varying degrees of Chinese interference at various times in history, but Tibet has never been a part of China. As far as slavery states are concerned, when the Tibetan lower classes lived in somewhat poor conditions, those in neighboring China and India always had it worse. And China, of course, remains a slavery state today.

With regard to TT’s comments, there are many more Tibetan victims of murderous Chinese police than Chinese victims of Tibetan rioters. The police began the violence by attacking peacefully marching monks. Tibet is a distinct nation which has experenced varying degrees of Chinese interference at various times in history, but Tibet has never been a part of China. As far as slavery states are concerned, when the Tibetan lower classes lived in somewhat poor conditions, those in neighboring China and India always had it worse. And China, of course, remains a slavery state today.

(Jed Clampett)

we know fully well what china has been doing in Tibet. The attempts at maintaining secrecy in the oppression perpetrated on the tibetan people has been innefective.
It’s funny that those that like to spread disinformation would say things so ridiculous as to imply that the buddhist religion, a religion that teaches passivity and unity among all beings is inculking hatred and violence in it’s students.
Seems that china is suffering from a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
If Tibet ‘always belonged to china’ as the chinese like to imply, why did they feel the need to invade a country with no army or arms with extreme force though there was no opposition? Could it be for the same reason it murdered it’s own people engaged in peaceful protest to demand an end to the exploitation and oppression perpetrated on them.
The chinese leaders seem to think the world has a short memory or is as deluded as they themselves have become.
No, china does not deserve an olympiad free from controversy. Even if forced by their countries to attend, the people of the world should show their support for the struggle of the people of TIBET, which is the struggle of oppressed and exploited peoples everywhere, by wearing a small tibetan flag and a picture the Dalai Lama as well as the kidnapped Penchen Lama.
Let the light shine on the situation fully, let’s clear up how it is that china is able to oppress a simple people with impunity in this day and age. Is the cheap labor of defacto slavery something the western companies are also addicted to like oil? Are cheaper products worth the enslavement of a population to the american consumer?

BOYCOTT CHINESE PRODUCTS!!

Hit the mongers where it hurts them most… the pocketbook. That is all those greedy bstrds know and understand.

A few Chinese lives have been lost in the recent protests and that is terrible. But over a million Tibetan lives have been lost by the direct actions of the Chinese government.
I just can’t believe still after all the Chinese government feeding the Tibetans living in Tibet propaganda, trying to make them denounce the Dalai Lama and sign papers saying Tibet is a part of China have not fallen for it. Even the children are protesting! They are protesting for peace. Why be arrested, tortured, and killed for that? And how can anyone defend that?

The Chinese cencorship of the new and the web says it all.
If you are doing something shameful and wrong, of course you want to hide it.

Propaganda does not live long. Unfortunately, the propaganda from the West lives long and well. Tibet was, is, and will be always part of China. Fantasy is good, but not good enough to face China. Tibetans are used to bash China, nothing more. I just hope Chinese government will keep its course, simply ignore those foreign hostile forces. Look at the Iraqis.Revenge is never the way to solve problem.

If you boycott Chinese products, you will probably find yourself standing naked in an empty house.

If China has nothing to hide, why force the journalists to leave Tibet. Why block the internet and phone lines?

may be stupid. They like to cover-up things. However, it does not means the West is free to lie.

(Jed Clampett)

I already have the clothes I need to last me for the year or more if need be. The house is already furnished and the freedom and dignity of the chinese people and the tibetan people is much more important to me that a little convenience for the next couple of years. A boycott of chinese products would help them understand that treating people the right way we all prosper, while exploiting and abusing those in a lower station in life will bring acrimony and distrust that will eventually blow up in their face as is now happening to the dragon.

Brother Tenzin Gyatso, while I understand the need and the virtues of compassion, understanding and pacivity, we must also understand when it is time to act, even sacrifice to save that which is sacred. China has been allowed to intoxicate itself with power for too long. There are many other Boddisattvas waiting for your word to encourage and awaken us into the appropiate kinds of action. We need your leadership and wisdom. Please recognize that the issue now is much greater than merely the freedom of the people of TIBET, the issue is the liberty and prosperity of all the true earth beings on this world.

It pains me and absolutely embarrases me that this nation, the ‘bastion of freedom and hope in the world’ supports the Chinese Government in the oppression and exploitation of human beings. Like I’ve said before, it is evident that the administration’s interest with ‘the sanctity of life’ ends at the birthcanal and the TV screen. The tibetan people are not asking to be liberated, independance or secession, they merely wish for some sense of control over their destiny so that they may live with dignity rather than the racism and classism imposed on a people that had rejected those ‘values’ so long ago.

Yes, terrorists are in the making – but the maker of the terrorists is nobody but Chinese government. It is the government’s long-term, stupid and brutal policies towards the Tibetan in Tibet that has made, are making more and more voilence and terrorists there.
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it sounds like Bin Laden talking to US government…

Because the journalists are hostile, and now they will make rumors with “report from Tibet”

I think you will be fine without Chinese products. Less plastic and things that fall apart in one or two wears. Fake bags. Fake watches. Fake gold. Why do they try to fake everything???

I wish the Chinese citizens really knew what was going on. I can’t imagine being constantly lied to.

to call for violence in the United States?
or again, terrorists against the United states are terrorists; terrorists against other nations are freedom fighters.

Non-Chinese knows nothing but little, bias information dare to teach Chinese what happen in China and Chinese history.
Image a Chinese never been to the States try to teach you a “real USA”.
Be humble, my brother.

I can’t agree more than Jed Clampett’s comment except boycotting Chinese products for the obivous reason. I am really sad to see some of my fellow Chinese here to defend the communist government even their parents/grand-parents were lied/depressed/prosecuted for the past half century. Easy money in China’s hot economy may blind people in a short time, but will not last long.

As a Han Chinese I’ve been Tibet or Xinjiang (Uygur) and will not forget the poor situation of native people in Tibet/Xinjiang. Their distinguished cultures are polluted/destroyed just like the environment of China, but it is done on purpose for obivous political reasons, not because of economy.

I hope there will be a day the light will shine on China and Chinese people there will be set free by truth. Let the truth prevail!

That you are calling a Tibetan a “terrorist” is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. China killed over a million Tibetans. They invaded their once independent country. Now they cannot even practice their religion freely. China is destroying their pristine land which they call “development”. The Tibetans are not “terrorists”.

How can you even say such a thing?

(Jed Clampett)

YOu don’t realize you are being lied to because, like the chinese people, we live in a nation where there is no truly independent news organization. There are only advertizers to some degree or another, whether the product they are pushing is an item or a government policy. The lie perpetrated on the chinese people is even greater than that being pushed on us, but be honest, do you think China would be anywhere nearly as prosperous as it is without that initial investment from american companies? Think of who opened the door to chinese products and why the are so ubiquitous now. It was the second biggest crook ever in the whitehouse(next to the current one) that made those initial deals… so american businesses would have access to all that cheap labor. Did americans consumer prices come down with the use of that labor? maybe about 5% for a short time. The intent was not savings, it was more profit for those in control.

NO one is calling for Violence against China, even the buddhist monks were on a peaceful march to raise awareness. The burgoise of the chinese government, since they don’t know how to deal healthily with adversity, responded with violence. Faced with yet another transgression to their dignity, the tibetan students responded the only way the dragon understands, violence.

If they had treated the Tibetan people like worthwhile people, would they be experiencing this trouble? No, they would not. Content, prosperous people have no need to protest against oppressors.

Why aren’t the Tibetans allowed to even leave Tibet? They have to escape instead. Remember the nun who was shot and killed by the Chinese police and the little Tibetan children taken prisoner because they were trying to escape last year? A climber caught it all on video. I just don’t understand, why aren’t they even allowed to leave Tibet?

and you are trying to fool other people.

1. the riot has been well documented, and rioters are killing randomly, 5 young girls burnt, and even a 10-year old boy beaten to death. Those Tibetan are cowards and bastards. If these criminals are your so called “Tibetan students”, then you are nothing but a murderer too.
2. It is nothing about China’s policy. Tibetan are treated better than Han-Chinese. Peroids. Remember, China is a developing country. Any of your suffering, all Chinese suffers.
However, as long as you have nationalist fervor, you want an independence, you will continue to fight, and you will pickup anything fit your mind, and ignore any facts.

(Jed Clampett)

China seems to have accepted and internalized those qualities you try to push onto those young people. Regardless of how much the red army pays you to denounce tibet in the media, even you must realize there is a good reason the government chooses to obfuscate truth by spreading lies and oppresses an unarmed people with the might of it’s military. Only the willing can have it’s brain washed… too bad yours has been washed in a cesspool.

Hey my fellow “you are fooling yourself”, have you ever been Tibet? I seriously doubt that. Your “China is a developing country. Any of your suffering, all Chinese suffers.
” comment is just that same as what the communist government talks everyday in China – “Don’t protest government and CCP, otherwise all Chinese will suffers”. This kind of logic can’t fool people long.

And you said you have the facts that who were killed, who were not, and Tibetan are treated better than Han-Chinese. I believe nobody here know exactly what really happend there because of the iron curtain (& the Greate China Firewall). But I also believe that many people here will stand up with you to defend the communist government. Why? because the history of the 50 years of lies and oppression. Let the people living a live there talk about their real life. Can Chinese “People’s” government allow that? We don’t need a government’s spokeman to talk here.

Sorry I should say these in my previous msg:
… But I also believe that many people here will NOT stand up with you to defend the communist government…

The recent events in Tibet are just an American-style race riot. Han Chinese- and Hui Muslim-owned shops in Tibet were smashed by ethnic Tibetans, reminiscent of the Rodney King riots when Afro-American rioters smashed white- and Korean-owned businesses in LA. In both situations it is a matter of a socioeconomically disadvantaged race venting their frustration, both justly and unjustly, against socioeconomically dominant races.

Was Hunter S. Thompson any relation to the Dalai Lama??
They do kind of resemble each other in a way..
I wonder what the Dalai Lama would write about college football??
Hay Rube!!

1 if you dont agree with Chen or Jed.
That means you have been ‘brain washed’.
2 if you want to speak about Tibet, you must be there before and spend your rest life in western countries.
comment on 1, so arrogant
comment on 2, So funny!
btw, don’t try to disgrace others’ free speaking by relating them with China government (seriously, i don’t like it.). To me, Chen and Jed, who spent hours here, are more suspicious to been ‘paid to speak’ than anyone else.

Jed Clampett:

You claim that Tibetans suffer from racism. That is both true and untrue. While it may be that some ordinary Han Chinese might have prejudiced attitudes against Tibetans – e.g. believing them to be inherently lazy, the Tibetan people nonetheless benefit from government-sponsored affirmative action, such as university scholarships for minorities. The most obvious form of affirmative action for Tibetans is of course that they are exempt from the One-Child policy which is the law for Han Chinese. So in other words, the situation in China is far more complex than you are making it out to be.

Tibet has always been a part of China? Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said “a lie repeated 1000 times becomes the truth” and it seems that the Chinese government and its apologists agree. We Tibetans have our own culture, language, and religion. We have our own leader, His Holiness the Dalai Lama who is a respected as a teacher of peace the world over but the Chinese call him a monster and declare that they are in a life-and-death struggle with the “Dalai clique.” There is no “clique!! All Tibetans revere and follow the Dalai Lama. When they say they are battling the “Dalai clique,” the Chinese are actually saying they are fighting ALL TIBETANS. Questions of the historical nature of our claims to an independent nation aside, how
can we expected to live under the subjugation of a government that is essentially agreeing with the Dalai Lama’s accusations that they are committing “cultural genocide” in Tibet. We have a right to self-determination. We have a right to fight against those who would steal our land, destroy our culture, and terrorize our people. The Chinese should be thankful for the Dalai Lama’s please for nonviolnce and the patience of the Tibetans. The media makes a big deal about a few people who have finally lost all control, burnt some shops in Lhasa, and attacked some Chinese settlers. Any loss of life is sad and regrettable but the isolated acts of Tibetan violence in Lhasa cannot compare with the indescribable violence that the Chinese state has visited upon the Tibetans for nearly six decades. Tibetans will continue to resist. We will never be Chinese. And Tibet will never belong to China.

(Jed Clampett)

In the spirit of our founding fathers, who like the tibetan people rebelled against oppression and greed, our thoughts and actions are with you even if our government hesitates to antagonize the dragon.

Some of us undestand that old lizards must shed their skin and evolve or die the death of a dried up old lizzard. We will not fear a breath of fire, we are one with spirit.

You’re partially right on saying “Tibet riot is like American-style race riot”. When I was there, I did see those kind of small scale of fights between different races. Frankly speaking, everytime when I looked inside Tibet’s or Uyghur’s eyes, I can see their fear and dislike toward me (Han). Most general Han Chinese usually don’t have a chance to travel to Tibet/Xinjiang, or care to go because of proverty and harsh environment there. When I was there (especially where the native people lives, like south Xinjing) I feel I was in a foreign country because you surrounded by a totaly different culture. They have their own language, costumes, food, drink, and religions, even the time zone is very different (China don’t have time zones, so in Xinjiang you will not see a sunset until 9pm Beijing time). At the same time you can see lots of Han people migrate to there without respect of the native culture. That was 20 years ago.

But the scope and timing of this movement is more toward the communist government. And that’s why the government sent large amount of army (not police) into several provinces. Ironically it’s the time that Taiwaness choose their next president. So it’s a one-stone-two-bird thing for the communist government, show their power, ignore the cry of poor and depressed.

I am tired of arguing here. I’d like to share with you a famous Chinese proverb:
“water can float a boat; it can also overturn a boat”. (water represents Chinese people; boat represents government)

Bye

I can’t believe there’re so many people talk negatively about China. Yes China has its own issues, but this time, i don’t think Dalai Lama has done a good job as a leader. If it wasn’t because of the support of the Chinese government, what would Tibet be now? And ironically, Dalai Lama is such a “big fan” of the support of American propaganda, yes, u all know what would happen if one day Tibet declared independence, hasn’t Dalai Lama thought about the consequences? that maybe being the manipulative government as the American government is, would try to manipulate Tibet too? It’s such a pity for a leader to do things without thinking twice. And hey, just one last thing, the president of the Chinese government is really something, we all know what would happen when he loses it. Fellow anti-whatever it is that cause such a big deal, just wait and see.

Good day. Peace
Ju

(Jed Clampett)

I’m very sorry… I’ve been meaning to shut up on this, partly because i’ve been monopolizing the boards… partly because the fact that it is happening raises my ire to such extent that it probably isn’t healthy… nay, it ish’t healthy.

Julien poses a question that begs an answer.

“If it wasn’t because of the Chinese government, what would Tibet be now?”

To answer that question, one must ask themselves what was it before the “People’s Party” decided to invade Tibet?

A spiritual society rooted in agrarian and scholarly endeavors. Prospering and happy, the tibetan people lived in harmony with their environment. Their scholarly research had led them to find cures for diseases and understanding of the processes of life. With the advent of the internet, I believe had they been left alone they would be sharing that knowledge with us to protect us from the horrible conditions humanity is forced to endure.

The arrival of the PLA in Lhasa changed that virtual utopia. You see, China never owned Tibet, ancient emperors have consulted with Tibet, but she has always enjoyed her autonomy. Ancient China respected and revered the knowledge shared by Tibet. The relationship back then was a symbiotic one. The new China, that dragon that swallows up it’s people and consumes them as fuel for an evil engine, it only understands of conquest and superiority. The new China has been affected so as to forget it’s place in earth’s wheelwork. After being silenced in 1989 and regaled with a little prosperity, the proletariat forgot the less fortunate and ceded control to the greedy guns.
Truly, they had no choice. Today they continue to be exploited while a chosen few get to enjoy the fruits of their labor, those political elites that have abused their power to become superwealthy.

It’s interesting to see the PLA tossing it’s automatons into the discussion, particularly eye opening that they would be used to inject veiled threats such as you are doing. It is ironic that you would call the Dalai Lama a poor leader when he has restrained his people for so long.
Surely this is because he understand perfectly well just what the dragon is capable of. It has already swallowed up the good people of china. The “people’s party” is merely an illusion, it has nothing to do with people. It is treason to the spirit of the revolution and an oppressor of it’s own people. Your ancestors must be ashamed.
Tell me, what was it about the educated and skilled that had to be destroyed during the ‘cultural revolution’? What was so dangerous to the people in that knowledge that the very people that the party claimed to protect had to be murdered, their families made to endure anguish, indignity and disgrace?
Whithin it’s own large cities little girls are drawn in with the promise of good jobs only to be forced into a life where they will never grow as human beings, forced to work and live in controled conditions as veritable slaves… for what? So the political class can play games for money?
There are many who understand china, those than can remember it’s cultural richness and understanding of nature. Most of that seems to have been lost for now. China today only understands agression and brutality. One has to wonder why China would be willing to start a third global conflict for a mere piece of mountain. Is buddhism that hated or feared by the mighty PLA. Are you so afraid of a few unnarmed monks? Or is it that important to the beast to destroy the last few remnants of humanity’s original culture.
You keep trying to discredit the Dalai Lama, place blame directly on him, attempting to acuse others of that which you do.
There are many old text that describe your actions and explain what entity is driving your actions.

It is hard for me to understand how some of the chinese people can’t see what their government does. it has been repressing its own citzens for decades, throughout lies, violence, and secrecy. Other institutions and governments do the same in the West and if their deeds weren’t wrong, why all the secrecy?

What about the Uyghurs, a group of Chinese Muslims who have been demanding independence and have been repressed just like the Tibetians? Don’t they deserve the same consideration as the Tibetians, even though there are three or four Uyghurs held captive in Guantanamo Bay?

As I see things…It isn’t just Tibet China has been destroying, but herself…During the cultural revolution especially, China destroyed a lot of Tibetan culture, but also Chinese culture…Now with voracious capitalism combined with the party’s
continuing dictatorial control, and rising nationalism, a lot is being destroyed again, also now not just in Tibet but all over China: look at the pollution, the Three Gorges dam… but in a way it is worse in Tibet, as it is combined with the oppression of a different people.
Can you imagine the Chinese govt importing Muslims to live in a Buddhist country? Mosques in Lhasa??? Forbidding people from carrying a picture of the Dalai Lama? Beating monks? These are recipe for hatred….The Tibetan people are nonviolent by culture and religion; if the Chinese have finally managed to provoke them to violence, then indeed they have finally “won”: they have destroyed the essence of Tibet. I am glad to see some Chinese seeing the truth, but I am sad many are blind (Just as I as an American am sad
so many of my countrymen still believe Bush’s lies). We must all try to see and speak the truth, and oust the real criminals… we are all victims of the crazy and power-mad.

obviously,dalai lama is a killer ,and a dirty state criminal

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seems it is not a new news ,many friends public this news on a tall dating site~~~~Tallmingle.com~~~~whic h has many other good projects but dating
But a good news.lol…

It is unbelievable to think that Tibetans in Tibet who have called for independence or simply said “Long Live the Dalai Lama” are currently sitting in Chinese prison cells. Imagine if we were to say, “Pull our troops back” or anything that the government disliked and were sentenced to 8 years prison. I can’t believe this is happening in the world right now. I truly hope something big happens, that we all learn something from this and that the world changes for the better.

I am not agree with the Chinese policy against Tibetian independence, but also I Think the Dalai Lama is just another hypocrite person like the Pope with ambition for power. He came to USA and was received with honors by Bush..Why he did not denounce his criminal wars??..

Hunter S. Thompson DO have something in common with Dalai Lama.

Tibetan book of the dead; no-fear, compassion, humour. The supreme victory in the spiritual realm.

It is truly, really, really sad this waste-But dont let it get you down. It is good thing to die for, to resist to give in to the demons serving the dragon.
Obviously some people here are bought to say what they say. That is how they function. Be aware!

Hunter S. Thompson DO have something in common with Dalai Lama.

Tibetan book of the dead; no-fear, compassion, humour. The supreme victory in the spiritual realm.

It is truly, really, really sad this waste-But dont let it get you down. It is good thing to die for, to resist to give in to the demons serving the dragon.
Obviously some people here are bought to say what they say. That is how they function. Be aware!

Well said, Maartim.

(Jed Clampett)

the end of TIBET means the end of hope for all freedom loving people on this enslaved earth.

This reminds me of an old saying…”Welcome back to your fortune cookie aspirations.”

freedom is overrated.
there’s no profit in freedom.

“Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose.”

Already been done, better, by Kris Kristopherson.

Isn’t Buddhism the same religion practiced by the majority of Chinese too? Does anyone know if there is a difference between Buddhism practice by Chinese and that of Tibetan?

I learned that Tibetan monks belonged to the ruling class in old Tibet because the Tibetan people were deeply religious. The Tibetan nobles worked hand in hand with Monks to maintain social hierarchy. All the lands are owned by the nobles and monastery and common Tibetans had to work their butts off to make the ruling class fat and lazy.

The Tibetan Exile government are the nobles who got their land taken away and kicked out of Tibet. No wonder they are pissed. I guess everyon has his own story to tell.