I get your point and all, but “optics wise”? What atrocious phrasing!

Hillary Clinton is on a mission to destroy the Democratic party. It is PERSONAL with her. Her entire campaign has been about ‘Hillary Clinton’ and nothing more. She has a future in John Mccain’s adminstration as she continues to campaign for the Republician party!

Barry is not Black, he is bi-racial. Frankly, he represents an entire segment of the US populace. Without white people casting their votes for him he would not be in the lead.

I sure wish Sen. Obama’s mother and maternal grand parents could chime in on the Clinton campaign’s racial attacks on their loved one.

Next thing you know, the Clinton Machine will be attacking orphans.

Clinton’s campaign has come to grips with two of the three stages of grief: Denial and anger.

They have yet to accept that they are so done.

I can think of an awful lot of nouns to describe Hillary, monster is not one of them.

As BenAMarine said Obama is not black. He is 50% white and 50% black. He was brought up by white mother and grand mother. In that sense he is more white than black. In reality he is a great American citizen and one its great success stories. He makes us all feel proud.

With his great visions, inspiring manner and vast life-time experiences, he will make a great president. He is more experienced and older than John Kennedy and Bill Clinton when they took office. Ultimately, it is the judgment brought on by life-time public service. Hillary is making all sort of unbelievable claims about her experience. The Clintons had 8 years to implement their ideas and now it is time for someone else with a greater vision for the Nation. In addition, we have all seen how unstable she is. I would not be wanting her to answer the 3:00 AM call (of course the hole concept of the 3:00AM call is fake and it has no place in Democratic primary contest).

BenAMarine said: “Without white people casting their votes for him he would not be in the lead.” True but another thing that is also true is without black people voting on the basis of skin color only, he would not have the lead. White people may have been dumb enough to elect Bush twice but at least they are watching and listening to debates and news and then casting a vote. Black people are voting for a black man with a gret speaking abilty but no credible experience.

Ms. Ferraro said “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position,” Apparently we need small children or a senior to state the obvious like in the children’s story, The Emperor Has No CLothes. Obama is a great motivational speaker and has done a great job getting out the black vote and some of the young vote but he is clearly far less experienced than Hillary (and McCain). My biggest problem with Obama is that he claims to be a unifier (similar to Bush claims of being a uniter)but has clearly done all he could to make this a race about race. When Bill Clinton said Jesse Jackson won SC too, Obama allowed that factual statement to be mis interpreted despite the tremendous support the Clinton’s have always provided to the black community. Now Obama is calling for Hillary to terminate Ms. Ferraro. I for one hope Hillary will not terminate Ms Ferraro for speaking the truth or claiming that The Emperor Has No Clothes.

I would vote a Clinton/Obama ticket but would vote McCain if Obama is nominated on top due to my perception that he has made this a race war.

(Jed Clampett)

yes, of course. if people weren’t voting for him he would not be in the lead. If he wasn’t garnering support and admiration from old white people, black folk, the young and the disenfranchized he wouldn’t be in the lead. If Sen Clinton wouldn’t have shown that she’s willing to use any loophole and dirty trick to try and stop this man, perhaps he wouldn’t be in the lead.
the fact is, he’s garnering support from all voting blocks, including some diehard republicans that have become disilusioned with the way their party has behaved in the last decade. Yea, definately, this is the man to beat and the best hope of the democratic party against the ‘hanoi candidate’ put up by the republicans… I wonder if his melanoma bump will get bigger. I’m thinking McCain won’t make it to the end of his term… president Romney anyone?

jodi, if anyone’s making this about race, it’s teh clintons. they keep reminding us over and over that Obama is black.

also, it’s not true that black people are only voting for obama because he’s black. most of them were for hillary clinton at first, and because he’s running a good campaign and hillary’s running a dirty one, they changed their minds. he had to work for their votes.

i can’t believe you’d call this a race war.

It is amazingly ignorant to imply that African American people are only voting for Obama because he is African American/ bi-racial. That is just as ignorant as saying that white women only voted for Clinton because she is a white woman. It is very sad and disappointing to think that individuals in 2008 have this mind set. There have been plenty of African Americans who have chosen to support Clinton, Congress woman Maxine Waters, for one. People of color are intelligent enough to vote for Obama on the basis that he is a brilliant individual with the necessary capabilities to run this country during these tumultuous times. He has the intelligence, the voice, the mind-set, decision making abilities, the integrity, and the ideas that interest, not just the African American community, but the majority of American as a whole (which is evident by his lead in delegates, and the number of states won to date).

The comments noted by Jodi really lets me know that some really don’t know others within their American community as well as they think they do!!!

It is amazingly ignorant to imply that African American people are only voting for Obama because he is African American/ bi-racial. That is just as ignorant as saying that white women only voted for Clinton because she is a white woman. It is very sad and disappointing to think that individuals in 2008 have this mind set. There have been plenty of African Americans who have chosen to support Clinton, Congress woman Maxine Waters, for one. People of color are intelligent enough to vote for Obama on the basis that he is a brilliant individual with the necessary capabilities to run this country during these tumultuous times. He has the intelligence, the voice, the mind-set, decision making abilities, the integrity, and the ideas that interest, not just the African American community, but the majority of American as a whole (which is evident by his lead in delegates, and the number of states won to date).

The comments noted by Jodi really lets me know that some really don’t know others within their American community as well as they think they do!!!

good post “anonymous”! I would like to add that I don’t agree with a black person voting for obama just because he’s black, just as I oppose the feminists who vote for clinton just because she has a vagina. you vote for the person who would be the best leader and who has the best judgment. hillary voted in favor of iraq. end of story.

YES, BLACKS ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE’S BLACK, JUST AS MANY WHITES ARE VOTING FOR MCcAIN OR HILLARY BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT BLACK.

So, what now, we’re going to start villifying the blacks for doing something whites have been doing forEVER?!?!

Birds of a feather flock together. Besides, remember back a few months ago: People were wondering whether Obama was ‘black enough’. Well, obviously he is. And, he’s AMERICAN enough.

Put the ‘color’ issue to rest for a while, or at least ‘censure’ it. It’s a joke. Nobody EVER said George Washington got elected because he was white. Nobody EVER includes whites in issues about race.

(DD)

He has the voice? Wow, didn’t know that was a major criteria. I’ve read that Lincoln had an awful voice. Who’d have thought?

So, if BHO gets laryngitis, Wall Street will tank?

Coach, I’ve posted twic sans Proxy Errors. Could it be?

(Jed Clampett)

jeez DD, are you really that dense that you don’t realize the word ‘voice’ was being used figuratively?

(DD)

Jed,
If you say so, I must be. Of course, it WAS left to the reader, as is so often the case in this milieu, to interpret. If I fail to interpret it correctly, then that makes me dense; or the writer not communicating? I was always taught it was the writer’s responsibility to be understood. When someone doesn’t get what I write, I don’t accuse them of being dense Jed. I take responsibility. So, voice is ‘figurative’ for what? Message? Wouldn’t that be redundant with ideas of interest overlapping with mind-set (whatever that might be)?

Face it Jed, the guy’s just throwing out a lot of praise ’cause it sounds good. Just like BHO ’sounds good.’ ‘Decision making abilities,’ demonstrated by ….. ? ‘Integity,’ as if Johnnie Boy and HRC don’t have integrity. By the way, how do you ‘measure’ integrity? I would suppose Eliot Spitzer was one of the most integral men in America right up until a few days ago.

I could go on about the vacuity of the annonymouse’s post such as ‘the majority of America’ assertion, but I thought mocking the ‘voice’ statement was enough. Lord knows I let enough of your inane remarks go by without comment. Why is that Jed? Perhaps it’s because EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion and, o’m'god, their voice. I thought that’s what this Blog Business was all about. And NOT, as you seem to be so quick to, the personal attack. Your insecurities are showing.

Coach, still no proxy errors. You?

Good one Coach, i agree not only is Obama American enough Hes more represenitive of the Present and Future than any other candidate.

Ray,

Historically speaking, that should rule him out. When’s the last time we had a Prez who was ‘representative?’

DD,JFK

Ray,

I guess we’re not using the terms the same. I meant someone who was ‘like’ the rest of us. I loved JFK but you have to confess, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Not many of us among the great unwashed have a millionaire father who’s ambassador to England and a grandpa who was Mayor of Boston. Kinna opens a few doors.

(Jed Clampett)

Sorry, just testing.

You sure are charged up and looking for a fight lately. I figured I could draw a pretty extreme reaction.
You say you ‘love’ Obama yet take any opportunity to play up the Hussein by emphasizing his name as BHO, give it up already, it is as common as john as it conmemorates a historical religious leader. You take every opportunity to spread the ‘message’ of your preferred candidate by playing up Sen. Obama’s perceived or directed perception of his lack of experience when you can’t even provide any evidence to support or refute your assertions. Sen Obama is a constitutional scholar, an attorney that started his career by helping the ‘least among us’ by offering his legal services at reduced or no-cost. Then he’s made his mark in the illinois senate by being active and learned in the ways of making laws. He’s shown his good judgement time and again, even when it is detrimental to him, in part by not responding in kind to the way his character and experience are being assaulted to the detriment of really getting to know either of the candidates and their views in depth.
You can keep supporting candidates that get to the top by tearing others down, personally, I think America and American’s are better and smarter than that, if not, they should at least realize the dangers of maintaining the status quo by electing those who prefer to resort to the same formulas and tactics that have destroyed our political system and our governmental structure.
I’m fed up with being lied to and manipulated merely to allow a particular group of thieves unfettered access to our treasury and ability to subvert the laws. I feel that by virtue of being an outsider and proven himself to be much more knowledgeable than any of his opponents in the constitution and the things that have made this country great among nations. Yea, I’m supporting Sen Barak Obama because he speaks with the voice of spirit and the conviction of an honest man. Something the other contenders have proven not to even understand.

Barack Obama was also instrumental in taking on the city of Chicago and it’s huge and powerful police union. Thanks to Sen. Obama, all police interrogations are now videotaped, a law that other states have instituted as well. This law came about because an alarming number of police suspects where claiming that their confessions where beat out of them. Subsequent indictments of high ranking CPD officials confirmed this to be true. Sen. Obama challenged the city, and the police to use cameras in the interrogation rooms not only to make sure suspects weren’t beaten, but to bolster a police case as well. After meeting with Sen. Obama and realizing that there were also advantages to taped interrogations, the police agreed. Anyone from Chicago knows the power and influence of the CPD, as well as a mayor who supports them fully. Sen. Obama didn’t stand down in the face of HUGE adversity and condemnation. He used common sense, a co operational dialog, and perseverance to CHANGE the “business as usual” tactics of one of the most powerful police forces in the country. I’m pretty sure the many people who have been released from jail or had their cases re-tried, thanks to Sen. Obama, would think of him as more than “just a good speaker.”

Jed,

In your zeal to defend BHO, who I doubt needs your help, your seem to be overlooking some trenchant matters. All I EVER said was I was tired of everyone beating up HRC with no substance. That’s all I EVER said.

In the process, I expressed the opinion that HRC had more experience than BHO. I NEVER said she had presidential experience although a case can be made she was the de facto VP of Health and Human Affairs whilst Billy Boy was Prez.

In point of fact, HRC has been the brunt of numerous attacks from the Right sans ANY support from the Left. She’s taken the heat and when the dust settled, she was/is still standing. I admire that. She has demonstrated FAR larger cojones than has BHO. That’s not to say BHO doesn’t HAVE large cojones, rather he’s youthful enough not to have been tested yet.

I’ve also made it clear, over and over, that I figure if BHO is good now, he’d be GREAT with eight years as VP under his belt. I’ve also made it clear that I thought that in that eight years, the Left should work VERY hard to repeal the 22nd Amendment so BHO could serve for as long as he liked. If he’s elected this Fall, he will only be able to serve eight years. Ever. I find it hard to believe that in all my posting, you’ve failed to recognize my position in all this. Guess it’s my shortcoming in expressing myself. If you’re still unclear about my position, let me know and I’ll try again.

Elsewhere you foolishly accused me of being a racist (best man at my wedding was/is black) and now you attempt to allude to that again because I happen to use Mr. Obama’s middle name. I sincerely hope the young man doesn’t suffer from the insecure paranoia that you’re demonstrating. It shouldn’t be necessary to point out that it IS his middle name and he should damned well be proud of it. I could care less what his middle name is. And if you took the time to read closely, you’ll see that I use the abbreviations for people I admire: FDR, JFK, etc. Billy and Georgie and Dickie and Ronnie don’t get that recognition from me.

It pains me to have to bore the shhit out of the others with such mundane matters, but I think it should be made clear that I have enough ‘faults,’ you don’t have to manufacture any for me.

DD, JFK represented the present for His time, much of His platform became popular later thats why He was my example. The last president who was”one of Us” was Harry Truman.

Ray,

HST slipped under my radar. Good call. Actually, I suppose Tricky Dick could be called a ‘regular guy,’ but I’d hate to think he represented the people.

25% of Hillary’s total vote count in Texas was from registered Repukelickans? Did anyone else read that??

One more thing on race: With eyes on Geraldine Ferraro….

If Hillary was black she’d likely have no chance at the presidency, but the fact that she’s white gives her a shot. Isn’t that what she just said about Obama?

DD, no more proxies!

How’s them “Stimulus checks” coming along people? Has Chevron eaten it right back up yet??

Coach,

I’m surprised TD hasn’t posted on the Ferraro Affair. I think he’s off somewhere doing ‘real news,’ this blog being a ’spare time’ business for him. I used to think that people running campaigns were really smart and did things for a reason. I gave that up long ago. The only ‘good’ that could come from Ms Ferraro’s comments would be to lose her job and given that if HRC’s ship isn’t sinking, it’s certainly listing and rudderless, losing her job probably would have some appeal. Who knows what’s going on in the back rooms.

But Ferraro’s comments are mere child’s play compared to what young Obama’s going to receive this fall.

Ironically, what she says is true. And you could say the same for Clinton. And it’s stupid, which gets back to my original confession about campaigns being smart. I guess the smart ones are the ones you never hear about. No news, from a campaign, is good news. And it speaks well of BHO’s campaign that we don’t hear about ‘personalities.’ The only ‘personality’ we should ever hear about is the candidate.

I’m also surprised we haven’t seen more about Spitzer here. That’s blog stuff for sure. If there wasn’t an election, I’m sure TD would be playing it for all it’s worth. Disappointing. We need a larger spectrum here, now that MCP has been patched up.

So let me get this right DD, you are saying if Sen Obama was a white guy with the same squeaky clean history, an open look into his tax records as opposed to HRC’s obfuscations, an ability to avoid the sh*tslinging and removing someone from his employ from the vague insult of ‘monster’ as well as the ability to motivate the populace he wouldn’t be anywhere nearly as popular as a black guy with a muslim name?
Gosh bud, seems to me you are defending HRC when she doesn’t really need it. TO the point of waxing ridiculous.
You characterize criticisms of her tactics as scurilous attacks, and then fail to see that Ferraro’s comments where actually orchestrated and will probably garner her a cabinet post if HRC is actually selected. Hell, if she had thrown in Hussein and Muslim a few times while falling on her sword she would probably get the VP seat.

You are right, Sen Obama does not NEED my help, he’s got some divine assistance already, personally, I’m just giving my opinion on the things I appreciate about the guy and countering some of the vague assaults on his experience and character. IF HRC was so involved and such a VP of health, why is it so difficult to release her documentation that proves it, must they nitpick first to remove the bad things and dissemble?

Like you, I’ve been on earth too long to not take everything with a ‘grain of salt’ so to speak, I’ve seen too many people who go in with good intentions and popular support turn into despots with enough time in power, Robert Mugabe comes to mind, GW Bush another. And that would be the answer to your article 22 question which I’ve given so many times before and you seem to simply ignore. NO MAN IS IMMUNE FROM THE TRAPPINGS OF POWER. To expose them to longer than a couple of terms at the top seat is asking for the type of trouble that we already have by allowing members of congress to enjoy absolute power for too long. They destroy the institutions they purport to uphold and protect… just look at what republican businessmen have done to our great nation. If they ran their businesses the way they run our government, we wouldn’t have no problems with corporations getting more audience than the people, they would all be workfare recipients, or imprisoned if there was an actual upholding of the law.

BTW– What the f*ck is cojones? that’s not even a word. it’s a made up interpretation of a translation that went awry. “how do you say drawers? Cajones. Oh ok, let’s use cojones to mean balls” Typical of americans to misinterpret and then internalize the mistake.

Jed,

I scarce know where to begin, your attack is so wide-ranging and vague. As I alluded elsewhere it is the responsibility of the ‘speaker’ to make himself understood, and I have failed. I was PRAISING Obama by saying the type of man he is transcends his ethnic makeup and what he looks like. Sorry I didn’t make that clear. If HRC was saying and doing the same as BHO, she’d sail through to nomination. If Obama was Matsui, he’d be doing as well.

Although you have assimilated well into this country young man, you seem to have failed to gain the trust in your new home that some of us have. No one’s going to usurp the Constitution. They might erode it, but it would take much longer than the life of one (wo)man. The 22nd Amendment was put in place by Cons who feared a man ‘of the people’ that they COULDN’T b*u*y. The Prez job is more a popularity contest than anything and if you ain’t popular, you ain’t IN. It’s that simple.

If you had been raised in this country, you’d have been force-fed the dictum that this country is a melting pot. Once upon a time it was a matter of pride. As such, we absorb different elements from different cultures. In looking at this country, you see the future of mankind. As such, therefore, it’s natural that terms are lifted from another culture and ‘Americanized.’ I’m sorry if it’s offensive to you. I’m sure if I were to travel to another country and hear them misuse an American word, it would grate on my ears so I can understand how you feel. But I think you’ll agree that nothing other than cojones seems to capture the meaning. Can you find a better word than Macho? Is there a better term than chauvinism? No language is safe from Americanization; it goes with the territory.

DD: Not to pile on but your support of HRC is fully exposed. There HAS been a tendency in your posts to infer that rebuttal of clinton remarks is an attack on her.

She’s the one starting the fight, yet fighting back is an attack on her? Just a thought….Her camp perpetrated the phone call fear. Her camp perpetrated the muslim garbage. Her camp perpetrated the Jesse Jackson comparisons. Her camp perpetrated the fraudulent NAFTA claims. Her camp raised the racial issue.

Hooray to Tim! No more proxies.

Wide ranging and vague? first I looked at the assertion that Sen Obama would not be having so much success if he wasn’t black, which is utterly ridiculous considering the difficulties black men have had in succeeding in this nation. Didn’t feel that was vague, anyone?

Then I addressed your perception that HRC is being undeservedly assaulted in the media, when her campaigns tactics are the real reason the media has focused on her. In fact, lately, they have been supporting her because SNL made fun of them. Isn’t that something, a latenight comedy show has more influence on the media than the people’s need to be informed… appropiately informed. John Stewart and Steven Colbert are making a great career in pointing out this absurdity.

Then I directly addressed her stonewalling on release of financial records and whitehouse papers that would prove her ‘extensive experience’.
Then I addressed the question you keep posing about ending presidential term limits. pretty clear on that. so I’m not quite sure what you mean by vague.

If HRC was actually saying and doing the same things as Sen Obama, then clearly she would be making as much inroads as he is. Truth is, she is not, it is not her nature, it is in her nature to ridicule peoples hope, obfuscate full disclosure, frame the debate around personal issues rather than policy or ideology, etc. etc. She’s proven herself to clearly be more of the status quo ante at a time when americans are demanding change. Frankly, she’s committing political suicide with her disdain for the rules that she suscribed to precampaign.

Thanks for noticing my ability to assimilate, I have a feeling I’d have the ability to do it anywhere. What I don’t understand is what exactly is it you want me to trust? That this nation will send it’s intelligence agency to destroy any democratically elected government it doesn’t agree with? Or perhaps that it will allow it’s corporations to partake in slave labor and bribery? or that it will allow unscrupulous businessmen to make poor people out of a great number of the middle class by ignoring it’s mandate to regulate the mortgage market?
I would be insane to trust those that I can see are obviously spreading more than mere democracy in the world. Regardless of all those failings, what pains me even more is the apathy and disinterest of the american people towards others because they allow their government to do these things when they have the power to turn it around. Wining at any cost is the apparent credo of this nation. It seems to think that for it to win, all others must loose. That is totalitarianism. Unfortunately, eventually, when there is nothing left to win, there will be such a great fall that it will be difficult for anyone to prosper.

If I had been raised in this country… or rather would have spent my first 10 years here as well… then perhaps I would have been another victim of the deception perpetrated upon you, I doubt it though. You wanted a melting pot, yet can’t stand the customs of others, the melting pot is to destroy history and culture and creates an amorphus blob with little culture, honor or sense of family history, hell it even bothers you when people speak their native languages. You don’t absorb elements from other cultures, you steal them and distort them to fit your needs and desires, accuracy and respect be damned. Do you not realize that Americanization is a destruction of the original culture, rather than a celebration of the diversity of expression that is human… no, earth’s nature.

Coach,

Are you saying the attacks on HRC only began recently? She’s been a lightning rod since Billy Boy was elected. Maybe it’s her fault but maybe, just maybe, it’s ’cause she’s a woman. I was just reading JFK’s Profiles In Courage and it reminded how virulent was the attacks upon politicians throughout history. The things HRC’s campaign has said and done are child’s play and as you have said, nothing compared to what the Cons will unleash. She’s doing him a favor putting him through calisthentics.

Moreover, I don’t think I’ve been critical about the media in general vis a vis HRC, rather Tim’s one-dimensional take on not only the campaign, but life in general. The only thing posted herein is campaign news and the preponderance of that is anti-Hil. His right, of course, but it certainly doesn’t speak well to his objectivity. HRC’s a big girl, she’s demonstrated that, she can take care of the MSM and she can handle the attacks from the Right. We’re not so sure about young BHO because he hasn’t been tested.

At least you don’t discredit me by saying that my support of HRC logically leaves me as an anti-Barack racist.

I guess chicago politics must be a powder puff pillow fight to not test a candidate enough. Perhaps chicago and illinois voters are just dumb, easily deluded americans to put him in their legislature twice and send him to the US senate after his exposure in a run for housemember. And the way he’s deflecting those attacks makes him look like a star and his attackers like mere sh*tslingers.

I don’t know how they treated him in the Windy City but it’s been power-puff time in the primary.

As a matter of fact, he ran unopposed for the U.S. Senate.

DD

DD: To address a couple of things. I’m not concerned with attacks flung AT Hillary before this presidential run, just like I’m not concerned with anything Obama or McCain might have said before this presidential run. All that matters to me is this: Do they SHOW integrity now? McCain has flipflopped, and Hillary has voted too many times WITH Bush for me. Is that the kind of ‘experience’ that some consider a necessity to be president? And, since this presidential campaign was whittled down to two, Hillary (camp) has been flinging doo-doo at and about Obama. Fraudulent generalizations and accusations for weeks now. And, he’s taken the high road on almost every turn. It’s entirely respectable and shows he has the wherewithall with handle crud being thrown at him, which will help him in the general.

Also, about the experience thing: How much experience did Slick Willy have? He was a newcomer in ‘92.

One last thing: You’ve mentioned that you think if Obama’s good enough now, let him be VP to get ‘experience’, then get his 8 ‘best’ years. I wish you could hear what that sounds like from this end. It sounds and looks exactly like an ‘excuse’ to let Hillary be president. We need help now, as in right now.

Now let me make something clear: I’m not trying to change your mind in who you support, or defend. I’m just citing a case where it ’seems’ that it’s becoming a ‘pro-Hillary’ theme to deem those who disagree with her as attackers. What if Obama’s camp were saying the same fraudulent things about Hillary as they are about him? NAFTA, Muslim dress, phone call, jesse jackson references, race card, etc.??

From this side, it looks as though Camp Clinton has been attacking Obama.

Wow, Am I really hearing you say that she would be better at president because she has cracked under the pressure and chosen to go to the darkside. Seems like exactly what’s in the White House now. And sen. Obama would not be better because he has shown himself to be dignified and honest when having to answer for his friends and pastors actions?

If Hillary is getting such a bad shake in the media, why is it no one is constantly bringing up her connections to Spitzer, who is a very fervent supporter of herand also a prostitute patronizer to begin with… who knows what other moral turpitudes this close friend of HRC hides behind his holier than thou facade. Why isn’t she speaking out against him? Why is she not releasing tax records, Would it be hard to explain what Prez Clinton said at a speaking engagement to be worth a million or more. How much has she been getting payed for her speechifying?

Seriously, you are upset over her being attacked in the media 15 years ago? wow!!

DD: I am not upset about the false propoganda coming out of the Clinton camp. It doesn’t affect me. I voted for Obama, so that’s already done. But, it HAS skewed a few votes her way. Nonetheless, it’s the inference that spews from Camp Clinton that bothers me. It’s an inference of entitlement. She seems like she’s being attacked. She says she has more experience. She says she’s ready on day one. She says she’s passed the commander-in-chief test. None of these things she can prove, but yet she still says them. And when she says them, it’s under the pretense that Obama isn’t ANY of that. How can ANYBODY prove Obama isn’t ready, just as how can ANYBODY probe Hillary is?

With a not to Cosmo Kramer: ‘Poise counts’.

And, my proof that Obama is just as ready for the attacks that will come from the right, is the fact that he’s taken just as many attacks from Clinton. He’s ALREADY being attacked and passing that test with flying colors. She ISN’T passing that test. Nor did she pass the naming of Iranian’s Revolutionary Guard as terrorists test.

And to answer: No, I’d never vote republican. Ever. Not one single policy of that side agrees with me. So, Yes, as much as it’d pain me, I’d vote for Hillary.

Tnx Coach, you’ve made my day. We both agree there IS no training for Prez. Until YOU sit in that seat and YOU have to make the call, you don’t know.

As I’ve said before, this thing’s going to the convention (and I find that interesting and a little stimulating). There, I half-expect HRC to ’steal’ the thing. Legally, of course. And given BHO’s popularity, I expect the mierda to hit the fan. Then, maybe, we can clean up the cesspool that is the current party configuration(s). And, by extension, the general election.

You should brace yourself for that. 400 of the Superdelegates are democratic committee members, most appointed by Billy Boy. The rest of the Superdelegates are mainstream politicians. Hail, the Superdelegates alone make up almost half the amount needed for election. It’s gonna get worse before it gets better.

I agree with your assessment of these democratic nomination for 2008. But, guess who’s making it such a ‘clusterphuck’? She’s going to use her connections from the past to ’steal’ the nomination, and therefore crush the democratic party, exactly what people have been saying about her. She’s not changing any minds in her favor, that’s for sure!

Prediction: No way in this lifetime does she win the general election.

Coach,

Although I’d be surprised to see the Dem party belly up, it may not be such a bad idea. Parties go through major reconstruction every so often and the current configuration has been around for a long, long time. Methinks everyone and everything is too entrenched for anything revolutionary. The next year or so should make for interesting commenting.

One interesting ‘take’ on that scenario would be if the Obama Camp got upset by having the nomination ’stolen’ and went Third Party, say, with Ralphie Nader. My, wouldn’t that be a dainty dish to set before the King.

Never underestimate the capacity for action of an oppressed people realizing the futility of living under an illusion of freedom.