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Much Ado About Nothing?

3/5/08, 1:49 am EST

Watching the inestimable Chuck Todd do his delegate math on MSNBC, it appears that Rhode Island and Vermont canceled each other out. Ohio may have netted Hillary as many as 7 delegates. Despite losing the popular vote in Texas, however, it appears that Obama will come out of the Lone Star state with a net handful of delegates — thanks to the caucus and the primary’s funky delegate distribution process that favors the big cities.

Todd even held out the possibility that Obama won more delegates tonight.

Yes, Hillary got some confetti. And lord knows there will be airtime starting tomorrow morning. But it appears that the Obama delegate lead remains unchallenged.

And with only 12 contests remaining, here’s the fundamental question: Where does she make up that ground?

UPDATE: Obama spokesman Bill Burton just made the point that tonight’s delegate stalemate just means an even tougher uphill climb for Clinton moving forward.

“Tonight was the Clinton campaign’s last best chance to make a significant dent in our lead in pledged delegates and they have failed.  In our latest projections, we will win the Texas caucus with a double-digit margin and any pledged delegate shift will be absolutely minimal.  In fact, Clinton’s chances of regaining the delegate lead actually decreased tonight, as the number of delegates remaining dwindles.”


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KStone | 3/5/2008, 4:08 am EST

As long as Hillary stays positive everything’s going to be alright. That picture of Obama in Africa was an excellent move on her part, showing him to be the African nationalist that he is.

Did you ever wonder why Obama didn’t swear in on a Bible? These things are now circulating so that America sees that Hillary’s the best choice. She’s very smart and funny too.

Even though she keeps shifting her message, she always seems to come out ahead. It makes me wonder, What kind of fabulous new persona is she going to have this week?

You know, some people say that what made the 90s prosperous was $10 a barrel oil, a tech bubble, low interest rates, low inflation, and globalization. I don’t believe it. It was Bill Clinton who made the 90s so wonderful and he’ll do it again with Hillary.

Vote for the Clintons and restore dignity to the White House.

yt kealoha | 3/5/2008, 4:55 am EST

Clinton? Dignity? Show us your 1040s? Big Bill with lots of more free time for sex with interns…..just what we need.

luckas | 3/5/2008, 5:57 am EST

obama will only have a delegate lead of about 87 when march 4 is done. the upcoming votes don’t favour him. if they decide to play defensive for the remaining races he’ll look weak at a time he is facing new media pressure. i think he will live to regret new hampshire by the time this is all over.

BurnDaddy | 3/5/2008, 8:07 am EST

KStone

YOU ARE A MORON!

Spew your hate and lies, it won’t matter. If HRC wins the nod, this country will get what it deserves. Which I’m sure you think will be fine, since you obviously believe ANYTHING. You are an even bigger loser than HRC.

Anonymous | 3/5/2008, 8:10 am EST

(DD)

TD,

Much ado about nothing might better describe your reporting, or the lack thereof, recently.

In your zest to Pillory Hillary, you are blinded to all else, save your personal agenda. Lost long ago was your objectivity as a reporter. The ‘news,’ if any such label can be ascribed to these pseudo-proceedings is that we’re going to the convention where the nominee will be decided. And if HRC should receive the nomination, I, and I’m sure many others, would appreciate it if you accepted the outcome with a dignity and maturity that has been sadly lacking on your part thus far.

In your quest to see HRC sent to an ignoble defeat, you have overlooked the political transition in Pakistan, the deplorable discovery that the refugees from New Orleans have been poisoned by the Bushney ‘keep it on the cheap’ way of doing business (only when it comes to this country’s citizens), Israel has declared (openly, finally) genocide on Palestinians, Columbia and Ecuador, not to mention Iraq and Turkey, are about to go to war, and, oh yes, gasoline is marching steadily towards $3.50 a gallon.

And if there is any other ‘news’ in yesterday’s proceedings, it’s that Ohio had a record turnout amidst an ice storm. To vote, overwhelming for whom? What does that portend, pray tell?

Please, define your priorities. Most of us out here are concerned mainly with removing the Cons from power and undoing all the wrong(s) they have committed. I thought THAT was the issue. Sure, we all have our favorites, but this ISN’T supposed to be personal.

I am still convinced that whomever comes out of the Democratic convention will be our next president, if he or she survives, but if it IS HRC, you and your dupe pals in the MSM will have given a great boost to the Cons by alienating many Democrats and independents by your slanted reporting.

Anonymous | 3/5/2008, 8:14 am EST

(DD)

Flaming Father,

My, you ARE incensed. Perhaps you should stop and review, objectively, why that’s so.

Trey | 3/5/2008, 8:17 am EST

I am just wondering if Texas counts for Hillary. I mean she had said before that the red states don’t matter

Strummer | 3/5/2008, 8:56 am EST

Are you a really young guy, Tim? Because if you don’t take the Clinton threat seriously, you obviously haven’t seen how ugly politics can get. This woman will do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to win the nomination, even if it means threatening enough super-deligates to make it happen. Hillary has already used race, prior drug use and questionable political connections to attack Obama. You better believe she has a file of more incriminating stuff she will threaten to release if the super-delegates don’t go her way. This is not a boxing match. It’s a street fight.

BurnDaddy | 3/5/2008, 9:28 am EST

Muddy Menace,

Absolutely!

Obama an African Nationalist?
Swears on the Koran?
These are the same tactics that HRC campaign and republicants everywhere employ regularly, and it makes we want to puke!

The MSM ridicules politicians for flip-flopping on a subject. Even though sometimes it is the result of a compromise (the point of our democracy?) Yet the MSM flips overnight. Not because of anything noble like compromise, but to continue the media circu$ and the huge rating boo$t that goe$ with it. I, for one, have had enough. I did my part and voted, the rest will be decided by the media. Obama will hold the delegate lead ’til the end, at which point, I have no doubt, we will see HRC at her worst as she tries to bribe her way to D.C. through super delegates. You guys have all been great! (DD, Jed, Coach, Trey, etc.) We could use thoughtful and knowledgeable gents like you in politics, maybe some of you should consider running for public office? Until then, It will be business as usual in Washington.
Take care people! })

Felonious Skunk | 3/5/2008, 9:41 am EST

“Vote for the Clintons and restore dignity to the White House.”

Dignity and Clintons in the same sentence? I’ve never heard two words more antonymous than those.

Delta Wild Man | 3/5/2008, 9:53 am EST

Well, it’s the day after Super Tuesday II..
McCain is the pick for the GOP,,, I’m shocked,, I thought it would go to Dan Quail,
Meantime in the other corner, we have,
Well who DO we have on the Democrat Ticket?

By the way, would someone tell Obama to do something about the color of his lips, they are like BLUE!!!
(Is this guy getting enough air??)

BurnDaddy | 3/5/2008, 10:15 am EST

DD, Are you feeling o.k.?
I didn’t have you pegged as an optimist. :) But I hope you’re right. })

Anonymous | 3/5/2008, 10:40 am EST

(DD)
Actually, to paraphrase, the simple ‘please’ easily. As long as it’s not a Con, I’ll be pleased.

Coach | 3/5/2008, 4:48 pm EST

KStone: Who cares WHAT he swears in by. Bible, Koran, Dianetics, whatever. African nationalist? Get over it, soon. It sounds as though you’d rather have a hillbilly running the white house. Or, at the least, a white person. Again, get over it soon.

DD, I hope that you don’t end up regretting your undying support for HRC someday, but the bottom line is this: She was labeled a polarizing person before this presidential run of hers and she’s not doing anything to rid herself of that label. It’s looking as though she’s going to have to rely on the superdelegates (cronies) to elect her. If the superdelegates go against the popular vote and the regular delegates, THERE YOU HAVE IT: A divided party. Is that what you want? Her voting record is right in line with Bush on everything except health care. If you want more of the same, or close to it, then HRC is the ‘woman’ for the job. If you’re fed up with everything Bush, then Obama’s your man.

Coach | 3/6/2008, 4:20 pm EST

Well, Dennis. You may have a point that some people consider her a polarizing figure because she’s a woman, or because the media has been perpetrating that catch-phrase. Nevertheless, half of the democratic party thinks exactly that about her.
One other thing about her and her alignment with the current course of politics: Her perpetration of fear. For years, up until her run for President, she’s villified the ‘politics of fear’ and now she’s using it against Obama. She is now running her campaign on a hypothetical phone call at 3am. She’s a hypocrite more so than a polarizing figure, to me. She’s a fraud more so than a hypocrite, to me. She’s the democrats’ worst nightmare if elected as the candidate.

Here’s something to chew on: Thousands of Texans voted in the open primary for Clinton because they want to run against her. Now, why would they do that? Is it because she’s got a tarnished past? Is it because they know she can’t handle the barrage of repukelickan rhetoric? Is it because they know half of the electorate won’t vote for her? I’m not sure of the exact reason, but they are afraid of Obama. That, in and of itself, is enough reason for me to MANDATE that Obama be president!!!!

DirtyDennis | 3/6/2008, 4:43 pm EST

Coach,

I’m sure you saw on Wikipedia that HRC has been attacked and vilified by the Right ever since Billy Boy was elected. They gave her their best shot and she took it and gave it right back.

You don’t think she wasn’t in on every major decision Billy Boy made? For all we know, she was running the White House then. The Right certainly thought so.

As for that phone call ad, are you saying she should NOT point out that she’s got more experience than Obama because it would ‘look bad?’ I think young Barack would long back fondly on that ‘fear card’ were he to get the nomination.

It’s funny, I’ve heard the same spin you made on Texas for Obama made on all the states he’d won for Hillary. I’m not quite sure if the Right if afraid of one more than the other but I’m pretty sure the Right HATES HRC more and that’s plenty good enough for me.

As I said, I’m fond of Obama and look forward to the day when he’s Prez. I don’t, however, share the ill feelings towards HRC that have been expressed by many on this website. I think she’s a talented, smart, capable, gutsy dame who I’d be proud to see as our next Prez.

I DO fear that if Obama is pushed into the nomination this time, they’ll make minced meat out of him. In point of fact, he HASN’T got much experience and so far all he’s done is say nice things. I LIKE the nice things he says, but you know the old saying, “talk’s cheap.” Make him the VEEP, bulk him up on some steroids and growth hormones and groom him for the job. In the process, repeal the 22nd.

It’s all gonna happen the way it’s gonna happen Coach. It’s theater and we’re but the audience. And while we’re mouthin’ off, Bushney’s getting off Scott free.

Coach | 3/7/2008, 12:13 pm EST

DD: I’m saying that the ONLY people experienced enough to be president are ex-Presidents and this current puppet Shrub. Experience is just a catch-phrase. Obama has more elected experience than Hillary. And, if experience in the current course of politics is what you want, then Hillary’s your ‘man’. Her experience led her to vote for the Iraq invasion and for every single war spending bill. That’s NOT the kind of experience I’m looking for. I’m looking for someone experienced enough to be able to STAND UP to the current course of politics. Hillary and her people will do most anything to keep the current course. They’re as indebted to lobbyists as any politician in the country, and that scares the hell out of me.

Again, I stress that you’re villifying the current political climate, but giving HRC credit for her experience in that same climate. That’s all.

Anonymous | 3/7/2008, 1:20 pm EST

(DD)

Coach,

I’m not sure the point of this discussion. No one disputes there is no experience to qualify for being Prez. I would submit, however, that HRC is VERY familiar with the procedures of the office and may well, as I have suggested, been the de facto Prez throughout Billy Boy’s reign.

But leaving that aside, the issue is one of leadership experience and in that regards, HRC wins hands down over BHO. You probably didn’t read the wikipedia bio on either candidate so I doubt it would do any good to cite from there now. But suffice to say, HRC has a 30-year record of leadership in the private and public sector.

BHO’s bio is kinna skimpy. But why not? He graduated in 1991, was elected to the IL Senate in ’96 and ran unopposed for the U.S. Senate in 2004. And he supports a border fence between Mexico and the U.S. (I found that surprising). His record is stellar but in so little time, he’s yet to be truly tested.

We can’t say that about HRC. She’s been tested to the max from the time she set foot in the White House (yes, that’s the same White House the Prez lives in). And she’s taken the heat and she hasn’t wilted. I believe Obama can take the heat; I KNOW Clinton can take it.

And are you saying that BECAUSE she didn’t fund the troops, she’s not qualified to be Prez? Would a vote against funding, denying the troops by the way, done anything else but make her ‘look good’ as Prez material? Everyone accuses her of being the scheming, conniving bitch, but if that was so, she’d have voted against the war with an eye to the popularity of the issue.

The point is we CAN’T cut off funding. At least not immediately. The ONLY way HRC can do ANYTHING about the conflict in Iraq is by being Prez. Votes mean nada except for bragging rights. Chalk one up for her for not taking the low road.

Coach | 3/7/2008, 6:29 pm EST

DD: I’m sure we’ll move on from this soon, but did you just say this? “Chalk one up for her for not taking the low road.”

She produces a flyer of Obama wearing a muslim outfit. She perpetrates a rumor about him having a side deal with Canada, when all the while it was HER camp that had the side deal. She uses fear to garner votes in Texas and rumors about NAFTA in Ohio. If she’s such a good candidate, then why did THOUSANDS of Texas republicans vote for her in an open primary?
Experience: Sure, she’s ‘been around’ for longer than Obama, but HE has more ‘elected’ experience.

I don’t like her campaign. And, I’m starting not to like HER. It’s exactly what everyone said was going to happen, and is. She’s dividing her own party when, in fact, Obama wins the white house in a landslide over anybody the repukes throw at him.

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