uh yeah the new york times is racist. that makes sense.

I am shocked! Just SHOCKED … that the New York Times endorsed the senator from New York! Truly, truly, shocking!

Upside my HEAD!

Jesus Tim, they were positively effusive about Obama. You like Obama because he’s a breath of fresh air AND because he’s NOT HRC. But your irrational response to every possible slight reveals your true feelings, the need to protect him. Believe me, he does NOT need your protection.

As the Times says, he has failed to define just what ‘change’ he proposes. His policies are identical to HRC’s so what’s the diff.

Someday Obama will make a ‘great’ Prez. In your dislike for HRC, you will settle for him being only a ‘good’ Prez.

HRC now, Edwards to follow, repeal the 22nd Amendment and Obama for about 20 years. Don’t play small ball Tim, think big.

DD, The difference is Obama has run a class, honest and inteligent campaign The senator from New York has run a nasty campaign of distorsion and lies. The Clintons dont deserve another term. Stop the Dynasty!

Ray,

This must be your first election. This is NOT a nasty campaign, menial, trivial and petty, perhaps, but you ain’t seen mean and nasty yet.

For those of you who want to read more on the foibles of the media, check out tomdispatch dot com. Article by Jay Rosen.

DD, This is not my first Election my first presidential vote was Carter in the 80 primary. Go ahead take up for the Clintons vote for Her, but youre losing credibility each time you defend Her and the Clinton slime machine.

Boys, boys, I implore you…….

Two reason NOT to vote for HRC:
1. She voted in lockstep with the Bush Administration every step of the way regarding Iraq and Iran.

2. It’s time to break free from the Bush/Clinton stranglehold.

Remember, HRC isn’t the last in line of the combo-dynasty of BushClinton. There’s Jeb, Chelsea, blah, blah, blah…….

Break free people. Plus, Hillary will divide not only the country, but her own party. Not on purpose, but because that’s what she inadvertently does, divides. She’s starting to come off as a bit pretentious and bipolar. Neither one of those traits are going to make a good prez……..

Coach,

You just described FDR. The history books play him ‘up’ big, but in fact, he would say one thing to one person, something entirely different to another, on his same team. Opposite, in fact. ‘Polite’ historians say he was playing one of his people off against another. Others say he was two-faced and screwing some of his folks.

I don’t know if HRC is who you say. She may well be. But Obama is clearly not ready for Prime Time and I think Edwards needs more seasoning himself.

If Chelsea wants to run for office, then in about 30 years, she may well be an apt candidate for high office, even the Prez. But you don’t get where HRC is without hard work, a good team and toughs.

You know I’ll vote for whomever the Dems put forth, but I think HRC is the strongest at the moment. Besides, what’s wrong with my repeal the 22nd idea so Obama can serve longer? Probably can’t be done, but the notion sure has appeal for me.

Finally, why take a not-ready-for-prime-time Obama when the man clearly has the potential to be a great one. If you’re only going to get him for eight, why not his eight best?

This shouldn’t really surprise anyone. The New York Times has sure shown no love for Obama ever since they published Maureen Dowd’s poorly written and highly flawed hit piece on him early last year (not that anything that comes from that pompous and arrogant wench has any relevance for me). The big guns are going to come out for Hillary now that she has regained a political pulse (and of course, found her voice) and is back in the driver’s seat. I find it funny that many of those that despise the Republicans for being in bed with big business are supporting Hillary. She’ll climb in bed with anyone (other than her husband it seems) as long as it benefits her politically or financially. By the way, her hair looks great in the picture with Tony Rezko and Bubba.

I think we should get Obama now, rather than let him spend eight years in the senate being influenced by the special interests that seem to operate so well there. HRC is merely part of a political machine that has already tasted the trappings of power, and though they did a fairly good job considering the contentious nature of the congress his last few years, I really don’t like what I’m seeing in the way of tactics. Sort of reminds me of when Ross Perot bailed out because they had started messing around with his family. When you see the tactics being employed, the dissinformation, the misinterpretations, etc. you realize these people are not just dumb and didn’t understand the statement, they are trying to influence the more reactionary among us… in other words manipulating the public psyche; relying on the fact that some folks will take them at theyr word and won’t notice the retractions later. Which kind of reminds me. in this primary season, what is going on with the other parties? Do they not merit any coverage because they are so small, or they aren’t doing anything yet?

My money is on the Washington Post following suit and endorsing her over Obama. They haven’t let up on him for a while now:

washingtonpost.com/wp-dy n/content/article/2007/04/27/A R2007042702027.html

Although, I read that HRC has won over Looney Bitch Monthly, I Owe Everything To My Husband While Claiming To Be An Independent Woman Review, and the right leaning, Embroidery Today.

I’m waiting for the more telling endorsements by Sally Jesse Raphael, Montel Williams, Ricki Lake and anyone else who knows as much about politics as 2/3 of the posters on this site.

There’s a flaw in your logic Jed. If Obama can be ‘influenced’ over the next eight years as a U.S. Senator, how would be possibly NOT be influenced as a Prez? Same person, even greater pressure.

Besides, if he CAN be influenced, then don’t we want to know it. Isn’t that what ’seasoning’ is all about? When it’s ‘crunch time,’ do you want the brash rookie taking the shot or the wily veteran? You know where I stand.

I understand your position quite well.

Just a thought though… By virtue of his position the Prez is much more isolated than a congressmember. Also under much more scrutiny. I’m not saying it’s not possible, merely that it will be alot less likely. While he is still young and idilic, perhaps he should be allowed to put up a team, I’m curious to see if he will have experts, professors and professionals on his team rather than the usual suspect political hacks.

Wishful thinking indeed, still does not disuage the vision that it will be ‘corporate lapdog’ vs ‘corporate lapdog lite’

BTW-what do you think it means that wolfowitless is back on the team? I have a feeling these guys are planning on allowing another terrorist attack in order to suspend elections. It’s very likely if it starts to look like Romney won’t be the nominee(remember the penguins secret trip to utah that tim told us about?).

Jed,

Whilst I was responding, I did so with the thought that the Prez is much more isolated. That’s why I tossed in the caveat about discovering his weakness. Not that I think he is susceptible. One anointed, as he is being, he will be above the fray. How come NO ONE will address the 22nd? I think it flies in the face of democracy.

Penguin? That’s a new one for me. Link me to the Utah article.

I was surprised to learn of the cojones displayed by hiring Wolfie, to, of all things, a position managing disarmament. Disarmament of whom? I guess we can figure the answer to THAT one easily. And it WON’T be Russia or China. Anyway, the brass cojones displayed by Bushney in this move segues with your suggestion. I’d like to see the topic get more ‘air time.’ In all the vacuas (how DO you spell that?) discussion over nothing about the campaign, REAL questions go unasked. Disappointing.

I don’t expect for a minute that he will not be influenced as all others have before him. I’m just hoping it won’t be as easy, since he doesn’t have as much experience with the corporations and the corporations don’t really know what to expect from him. I don’t make any dreamy expectations of prosperity and freedom for all. I’ve been around this planet way to long to not realize that even those with the most well intentioned ideals succumb to the pressures. I wonder more why the public, seeing that they’ve been lied to, refuse to do anything to correct the mistakes. Part of the magical equation I guess.

Penguin is the Daily Show’s prefered depiction of Cheney and in my opinion an appropiate one. You should watch the show, I really enjoy the way they skewer the MSM on their absurdity. I don’t quite remember when the posting was made on these boards. Around april perhaps, Tim may be able to search and provide a link for us, the posting told the story of Cheney making an unnanounced and undisclosed trip to utah. Apparently an airport worker recognized them and reported it. The speculations at the time was the reason behind the trip by the VP, my deduction was that they were giving Romney the nod but had to get some concessions from the mormons.

I put nothing past these guys as too absurd or unlikely. They’ve proven themselves to be operating outside any laws or probability and have shown a proclivity to do anything that helps them stay in power.

I like Penguins. And I don’t want their good name sullied. Sloth is available, although I don’t know how apt.

I enjoy The Daily Show. Cancelled my satellite ’cause I just wasn’t watching anything any more. A time honored tradition begun, I believe, with “That Was The Week That Was.” At least for me.