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YouTube Debate Roundup

11/29/07, 4:22 am EST

All I can say is I hope the general election features one of these YouTube debates.

With gay brigadier generals and heavily armed desert rats asking the questions, I could almost stomach watching Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo’s responses. And bravo to the kid who pressed Ron Paul on the trilateral commission and the North American Union. It’s nice to see someone actually reads the candidate’s platforms.

To the substance:

The nasty, anti-immigrant underbelly of the GOP was proudly on display tonight’s early moments — a real boon to Democratic prospects among the Univision vote in Florida where the debate was held.

I loved the Giuliani/Romney dogfight — so much for Reagan’s commandment about thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican. I almost snorged my beer out my nose when Romney earnestly pressed Rudy about whether he would be so “UnAmerican” as to randomly stop Spanish speaking gardeners and ask them for their IDs. Shit man, random stops and unAmerican searches are Rudy’s signature civil rights violation. Just ask any black man in Brooklyn.

Romney had his worst night of the season. He’s just not a very nimble political talent. Mitt seemed to get knocked on his heels by Rudy’s goofy “sanctuary Mansion” attack. Getting tongue lashed by the former POW McCain about water boarding — about which Mitt said he’d turn to Blackwater exec Cofer Black for guidance — was one of the few must-see moments of the debate. And he really got weird in his response about whether the bible were literally true. Color me ignorant, but can the New Testament and the Book of Mormon both be 100 percent true?

Rudy took his lumps as ever on immigration and abortion but did nothing to hurt himself. And his King Kong campaign video was the best of the bunch. Today’s allegations that he misused city funds to finance his affair with Judy, however, could really sting.

Huckabee was on tonight. Love him or hate him, he’s comfortable in his own skin, he doesn’t have Romney’s deer-in-headlights moments where he’s trying to hone in on the least-offensive answer. He knows where he stands and speaks with confidence about positions he knows some people hate — like his scholarships for undocumented students.

Thompson and Huckabee have flipped roles in this race. Huckabee used to be the comic relief, and Thompson was the great Godly hope. No longer. Thompson seems to have relegated himself to throwing darts from the sidelines. And the debates are more fun for it. What can I say, he’s a better supporting actor than leading man.

Listening to Huckabee talk in truly non-cartoonish ways about the golden rule and Jesus’ avoidance of politics, you understand why he’s now the evangelical heartthrob. It really wouldn’t surprise me if this morphs into a two-man Huckabee/Rudy race in the next few weeks.

McCain demonstrated his mettle in taking on Mitt about torture, but also his unmitigated dickishness attacking Ron Paul out of the blue as some sort of Nazi-appeasing-isolationist pussy. Paul’s comeback about taking in more money from soldiers and their families than any other candidate was his best moment in an otherwise weak debate.

The less said about Tancredo and Hunter the better.

What was your favorite moment from the debate?


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Ron Paul | 11/29/2007, 4:33 am EST

Of the time ron paul got to speak he hit home run after home run after home run. everyone else faught and clawed while Paul stood back and shined.

matt, norman, ok | 11/29/2007, 4:43 am EST

Hey Tim,
Good article, you’re spot on regarding most of the debate. However regarding Dr. Paul, I simply believe he wasn’t given the time of day. Half the time he was given to talk he was forced to spend back peddling to clear up a misconception surrounding the question. The guy was barely allowed to voice himself.

Caleb Rackliffe | 11/29/2007, 4:53 am EST

He also got in a fund raising plug, a good comment about the fact that Washington has never changed him, and that we are paying to blow up an fix bridges in other countries while our own are collapsing.

It wasn’t weak.

Also, CNN shouldn’t have used the video that asks him to run as a third party candidate. This is still a Republican debate.

C. Wesley Fowler | 11/29/2007, 5:06 am EST

Why can’t these clowns ever seem to answer the question they are asked? It’s almost like they have a script. I don’t mean a scripted answer on an issue … I mean a f****** script. No matter what they are asked, they will give the same lame ass speach about how they think they did a good job on some minor bill that they had some minor (read as nonexistant) role in thinking about once upon a time.

Guys, answer the effing question please. A few of us are actually listening.

Congratulations to Ron paul for having the jewels to actually answer a straight question.

Lisa | 11/29/2007, 5:21 am EST

I disagree with your assertion that Rudy Giuliani’s add was the best. His add was ridiculous and disrespectful. We are a large country facing serious issues, and his cheeky advertisement demonstrates that he is glib and favors flash to substance. We need a statesman who brings dignity and integrity to the office. We need a president that we can respect, not a power hungry clown.

TCF | 11/29/2007, 5:28 am EST

I thought the questions asked, other than the obviously loaded ones, were thoughtful and direct. They were far better than the questions aked at the town hall meetings and the ones asked by reporters of the national news services.

Steve Kauffman, Baltimore | 11/29/2007, 5:59 am EST

I was pleasantly surprised, and glad I listened. I think Tim’s assessment is accurate. I came in with the impression that Mitt Romney was probably the best choice on the Republican side, but was very disappointed with his performance. In my view, this guy really lacks substance. I was very impressed with Mike Huckabee; although I’m a bit concerned about the fact that he seems to the Evangelical choice (we sure can’t afford another Bush). Rudy Giuliani would be a good VP (it might humble him a bit if that’s possible). I generally liked all of these guys, and I think Fred Thompson was there, wasn’t he?

Steve Kauffman, Baltimore | 11/29/2007, 5:59 am EST

I was pleasantly surprised, and glad I listened. I think Tim’s assessment is accurate. I came in with the impression that Mitt Romney was probably the best choice on the Republican side, but was very disappointed with his performance. In my view, this guy really lacks substance. I was very impressed with Mike Huckabee; although I’m a bit concerned about the fact that he seems to the Evangelical choice (we sure can’t afford another Bush). Rudy Giuliani would be a good VP (it might humble him a bit if that’s possible). I generally liked all of these guys, and I think Fred Thompson was there, wasn’t he?

gravel kucinich paul nader | 11/29/2007, 6:02 am EST

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thill | 11/29/2007, 6:13 am EST

Ron Paul: He was indeed set up by CNN (who picked the 40 questions from thousands) to lose. The “independent run” question was a nasty curveball, trying to portray him as a non-contender. Let’s hope that enough people take offense at the way he has been treated and rally around him. He is the only one there making any real suggestions on how to turn the country around.

Romney: What a slick customer. How can anyone not see through his trying to tell everyone exactly what they want to hear? I certainly, however, didn’t want to hear that he wouldn’t be able to recognize torture if he saw it.

Giuliani: Another person trying to change his identity to appease the Republican base. How pathetic.

Hunter, Tancredo: Scary bookends.

PatriotG | 11/29/2007, 7:40 am EST

The entire debate was pathetic from start to finish.

CNN (Contollled New Network) Did an excellent job of giving 3 minutes to Ron Paul)

What A fool I am for thinking main Stream Media would be fair and give all the candidtaes equal time.

Gary | 11/29/2007, 7:41 am EST

The entire debate was pathetic from start to finish.

CNN (Controlled News Network) did an excellent job of giving 3 minutes to Ron Paul, if it was that much!

What A fool I am for thinking main Stream Media would be fair and give all the candidates equal time.

Anonymous | 11/29/2007, 8:21 am EST

Ron Paul!

Delta Wild Man | 11/29/2007, 9:47 am EST

It appears that there were more than one democrat plant in the republican debate last night,
looking through the news this morning we find a few others have been identified…
That log cabin republican question was posed by a Obama supporter, and lest we forget that sweet young lady who asked the abortion question is a Edwards supporter, plus a few more.
Now I don’t mind seeing the republicans answer questions, hard questions, questions that Log Cabin Republicans would ask, or African Americans, or Single mothers, but don’t you think we can leave the campaign workers from the opposite side of the isle out of it??
If not, it’s really going to get dirty!!
Will the democrats be so kind as to take as many questions from let’s say,,,, Southern Baptists in their next debate??
Let’s schedule a Democrat Debate at Liberty University, let Jerry’s son pick who can ask questions.
In A Way, That’s basically what the Republicans faced in last night debate.

Chris | 11/29/2007, 10:08 am EST

Ron Paul got shafted both in the questions and in the time allowed to speak. It was obvious that the so called “front runners” were given more time and WHO PICKS THE QUESTIONS? There should be a live debate where questions are not pre selected by a third party. It seemed to staged having ?SOMEONE? pick the questions for each candidate.

ADAIL | 11/29/2007, 10:34 am EST

RON PAUL IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT SPEAKS FROM THE HEART, AND IS RIGHT ON WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN AMERICA.

USAF Vet Dan | 11/29/2007, 10:37 am EST

Last night, I saw some pretty clear evidence of what Ron Paul supporters have been saying. He wasn’t given a fraction of the time afforded to his opponents. The “conspiracy” question was akin to asking him if “he stopped beating his wife” – no matter how you answer it, you still look guilty.

So, with my curiosity peaked, I checked out Ron Paul’s website, read his positions on the issues… and found out about his spectacular record.

Thanks, CNN, your dirty tricks opened my eyes. I’m now officially a Ron Paul supporter and have just donated $2,300 to his campaign (I’ve never donated to a campaign in my life). FINALLY, a presidential candidate I can vote for without having to hold my nose!!!

Anon | 11/29/2007, 10:41 am EST

“The nasty, anti-immigrant underbelly of the GOP was proudly on display tonight’s early moments”
Why is it so hard for some to understand that most aren’t “anti-immigration” but rather “anti-ILLEGAL-immigration?
Also, Paul is pulling in at best 6% in scientific polls. He is a snowball in Hades.

Orlo | 11/29/2007, 11:09 am EST

The winner was clearly Ron Paul. He addressed the North American Union issue which no other candidate would ever touch since most of them are card carrying members of the CFR! Romney is the Republican counterpart to Hillary in that his finger is forever in the air testing the political wind direction. Slick? Oh, yes, Romney is slick. Again, like Hillary, does he EVER answer a question. That is why I find Ron Paul so refreshing. He never evades a question, but answers it directly.

Bob McKrimon | 11/29/2007, 12:21 pm EST

I have to say, that although I am a Ron paul supporter, John McCain’s attack against Romney’s view on torture was the best part of the debate. Anybody who thinks waterboarding isn’t torture should undergo it. they’ll change their mind.

Also, I found that as usual, Ron Paul did very little talking. One of his questions was completely useless, as far as I’m concerned. He’s said before in speeches that he won’t run independent.

Kelly O | 11/29/2007, 12:24 pm EST

Well, I’m voting for Ron Paul no matter what. He has the guts to speak the truth which is frightening to most people. But, in all fairness, I think that Huckabee had the best night. He was calm, he never really stumbled, he didn’t seem like a flip-flopper. He really frightens me but he had a good night.
Ron Paul all the way!

E Trashorama | 11/29/2007, 1:02 pm EST

With her friends in the media, Hillary might just beat any Republican candidate.

CNN PLANTED A QUESTIONER FROM THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN AT THE REPUBLICAN DEBATE.

Turns out that the questioner given the most time –both with a video AND in person at the debate (wait, wasn’t this supposed to be a debate responding to video questions?)–is a member of the “LGBT Americans For Hillary Steering Committee.”

Retired BG Keith Kerr is a member of the Hillary campaign!

No wonder CNN gave him the opportunity to ask his question about homosexuals serving in the military again and again.

Will members of the Republican candidates’ steering committees be given the opportunity to likewise ask pointed questions of the Democratic candidates at future debates?

David... | 11/29/2007, 1:03 pm EST

This thing was so predictable that it could have been scripted, or at least rehearsed.

When are we going to be “treated” to some debates with real content?

Yawn.

Jefferson | 11/29/2007, 1:27 pm EST

RON PAUL!
We, Americans, brag about our Founding Fathers and the Liberty and Constitutional principles that they fought for.
We are “two faced Americans” if we brag about liberty while supporting the “Patriot Act” (misnomer), and other “Let’s sacrifice our rights for security” issues.
“We the People” are the true sovereign power of government. We have become like Dr. Frankenstein, who created a monster stronger than himself. The Founding Fathers emphasized very limited government with several constraints. We have become a frightened populice that wants to give up priceless gifts to feel safer. Will the “monster” always be your friend?
Who would the Founding Fathers vote for?
Ron Paul=Liberty

Dave | 11/29/2007, 4:16 pm EST

favorite moment: Rudy blurting out the “sanctuary mansion” line and then pausing to admire his wit. It was like somebody on his campaign had given him the line, but forgot that he is a bumbling moron. He spent the whole answer racing to that “sanctuary mansion” line, and once he got there he forgot that he was in the middle of a sentence and couldn’t just cut off there.

bill olive | 11/29/2007, 4:30 pm EST

If you haven’t looked into Ron Paul, you should. This debate was rigged to hamstring him, though it wasn’t particularly effective at doing so. However, please take the time to look at this candidate. Only after doing so can you make a fair decision as to who the republicans should nominate.

bill olive | 11/29/2007, 4:47 pm EST

I take it they don’t approve of links to other news sources on here.

Just google “Ron Paul YouTube debate”

There are lots of things to read. USA Daily basically says that CNN is stupid for not acknowledging the fact that Ron Paul is a serious contender in this election. The link is easy to find.

favorite moment | 11/29/2007, 6:13 pm EST

My favorite moment? Probably over 30 minutes into the debate:

firstread.msnbc.msn.c om/archive/2007/11/28/486055.a spx

I hesitated to repost this, but really people should know just how much CNN is trying to mold our opinions. CNN has lost all respect as an unbiased source of media.

Joby | 11/29/2007, 6:36 pm EST

When it comes to how the candidates said their lines, Huckabee was the winner.

When it comes to what they’re saying, nobody can touch Paul.

Josh Wright | 11/29/2007, 7:23 pm EST

I was a registered Democrat and have been watching all of the candidates very closely for the last year. I am now a registered republican so that I can vote for Ron Paul. I told myself that I would actually consider a Republican candidate if they represented what I was looking for, because the Democratic candidates don’t.

Wilbert Snertgammon of MN | 11/29/2007, 7:59 pm EST

Dirty pool does not impress me.
I did not agree with the swift boaters, I do not agree with this.
The democrats have lost my vote this election for starting this way

Gripner McFuzzle | 11/29/2007, 8:19 pm EST

I watch the debate.
The debate was not much funny, but I watched it all.
I wake up this morning, someone has made a mess of my kitchen.
What this means, I do not know.
But I feel as much as I can when they let me.

Sarah | 11/30/2007, 3:40 pm EST

Since you brought it up, yes, the New Testament and the Book of Mormon CAN both be true. Read them sometime, and you’ll most likely discover that they support each other, rather than being mutually exclusive.

You are right, though, in saying that Romney dropped the ball on that one. It seems to me that CNN was trying to give him some of the toughest questions to be diplomatic about, just so he could fall flat on his face. To be perfectly honest, I think that the mainstream media, et cetera, is looking for a Giuliani-Huckabee ticket.

Not a limousine lib | 12/1/2007, 1:48 pm EST

Could Tim Dickinson possibly be any more of an illegal-loving twat? Who knows, but I’m betting probably, as scary as that is.

Guess what… this ain’t Mexico. Illegal immigrants from Mexico do not belong here, and any anti-immigrant underbelly the GOP may have is not “nasty”… it’s called being true to the American people, and it’s not called catering to a group of people that don’t even belong here, at the expense of the people who do.

Of course we all know the *real* reason Tim Dickinson and the other idiots at Rolling Stone support illegal immigrants – Mexicans are largely non-white, and they are invading a white country. If the situation was reversed and white people were immigrating without permission into a non-white country, the jews and self-hating white morons at Rolling Stone would be demanding that a repeat of Zimbabwe under Mugabe should take place and screaming about colonialism. But Mexicans are brown, so their invasion, and the high rate of crimes that they commit against the people this country actually belongs to, are all a part of the wonderful diversity and multiculturalism that Rolling Stone loves, and according to Rolling Stone, anyone that doesn’t like these gang banging illegals are bigots.

DirtyDennis | 12/1/2007, 3:58 pm EST

Bigot.

Andy Black | 12/1/2007, 8:01 pm EST

Duncan Hunter was and has been the best by far!

Mark M | 12/6/2007, 10:56 am EST

Go back and watch Ron Paul’s answers on YouTube. Time them. Corporate Media darling Anderson Cooper did not even give Mr. Paul 30 seconds to respond. Notice how Congressman Paul was able to answer his questions in exactly 30 seconds? The man is sharp. He has the heart and passion to defend this country and return it back to its greatness.

Christy | 12/8/2007, 11:03 pm EST

These comments are great. Delusional Paul supporters and crazy Mexican invasion conspiracy bigots. Lol, do you people even realize who crazy you sound to the rest of us?

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