an actual experienced grownup in the primaries! glory be.

biden has some good points, but a huge sticking point is his view that iraq should be divided up (by anglo-dominated countries) into three sections based on religious sect. anglo-dominated countries already did that in the middle east with israel… look how well that arrangement has worked out for all parties involved.

Andy -

Um, dude. The current boundaries of Iraq (and all Middle Eastern countries) were THEMSELVES artificially drawn by Anglo-dominated countries. Splitting Iraq into 3 states while keeping Iraq as a single country would actually move things much closer to the pre-Colonial state of affairs, when that area WAS divided by religion and ethnicity.

Do your homework.

To Andy K(lueless):

Dido Mikey T. I know it’s not something you get readily on MTV, Myspace or even in History class, but Iraq’s a made-up country number one. That’s irrelevant except for the fact it’s part of the reason the country has been a mess for years. Next, Palestine (formerly Trans-Palestine was made up along with Trans- Jordan and later Israel). Comparing the current Iraq issue with Israel/Palenstine? Please tell me you had a few extra martinis in prep for Thanksgiving. Nobody would let you speak if you put that to educated ears. Joke. Now to the Biden-Gelb plan. Have you read the Iraqi Constitution? Yeah, loose federalism is in there. That’s the plan. Separate the parties, eliminate the power struggle and “kill or be killed” survival mechanism and you have a situation like Bosnia. Wake up pal, Iraq’s not going to be France any time soon. But it can become relatively stable, where the parties argue and negotiate over sovereignty like Bosnia today rather than this blood bath leading to nowhere. Stop pretending to be smart and get real. We’re talking about the future of America, Iraq, and the world. Joe Biden’s not trying to fool people here. Just straight up. Who else has a plan? Nobody has successfully criticized this plan. Good luck trying.

an actual experienced grown-up in the White House, god forbid!

“But it can become relatively stable, where the parties argue and negotiate over sovereignty like Bosnia today rather than this blood bath leading to nowhere.”

So… Iraq is nothing like the Palestine/Israel situation. Does that mean that the above quote does not apply? Can Israel and Palestine ever negotiate over sovereignty with the Israel government aiding and abetting the bankrolling of illegal settlements outside Israeli borders? With Israelis running “cowboy” commercials to attract people to the Golan Heights? This activity doesn’t inspire any will to “negotiate,” it inspires a blood bath.

It’s amazing how objective Americans can be when someone close to them isn’t intimately involved in the negotiations. It’s a sign of maturity to be able to recognize that every territorial dispute can be solved with the same processes. Grow up. You’re not special.

Why are we already counting him out for POTUS? It’s not too late. He’s the Dems best hope for not just winning the election, but doing it in a sweeping manner that actually brings independents and even moderate Republicans into the fold…here’s a guy with solid liberal credentials who somehow has even Republicans saying, “Hey, I could get behind this guy.”

…Or we could just go with Rudy vs. Hillary and have the ugliest, most vitriolic, tabloid-driven election of all time – a Fox News wet dream.

China has refused permission for a U.S. aircraft carrier and accompanying vessels to visit Hong Kong for a long-planned Thanksgiving holiday visit, the U.S. State Department said on Wednesday.

Why not think about that when your out Christmas shopping on Thursday??

Remember, those toys from china are painted with lead paint, and could cause your AMERICAN baby to die overseas fighting a war that no one wanted to fight!

VP? Why are we talking about VP? Not a vote has been cast yet, not one. Folks need to look at Biden for President. He’s the only one with deep foreign policy experience to get us out of this mess and regain the respect of the world’s nations. Not Secretary of State either. Who wants an SOS smarter than the President. Don’t let the media choose the candidates–let the voters choose.

biden rocks. someone please inform the press!

Every debate the overall consensus is how well Biden did. This guy has great ideas & a role up the sleeves get it done attitude. He is the best candidate for moderates on both sides & independents. He is by far the least divisive of all the choices on both sides. If you truly want to change the direction of this country & quit mortgaging our debt to China you need to get behind Biden. Check him out. Money talks. I donated to his campaign.

Seriously, Biden has impressed me in debate after debate. I think there are a lot of people for Hillary and/or Obama because a) they are the ‘front-runners’ and b) because they are different. I was really for Hillary, because I loved the idea of voting for someone competent, and for a woman. But I watched a bunch of Biden appearances on CSPAN, and seen him in the debates, and he has totally won me over. It is a shame the so-called MSM seem disinclined to change their script and include someone other than the top 3 in their spotlights. (ps. Andy K: Biden’s idea for letting Iraq become a federation of 3 states is sooooo soooo soooo different than the partition of Brit Mandate Palestine. Totally irrelevant, I think.)

andy k says “biden has some good points, but a huge sticking point is his view that iraq should be divided up (by anglo-dominated countries) into three sections based on religious sect. anglo-dominated countries already did that in the middle east with israel… look how well that arrangement has worked out”

Exactly, and that’s why I like the idea of a Vice-President Biden.

Between them, Dodd and Biden have far more political savvy and on-the-job experience that all of the other candidates currently in the running — Democrat or Republican — combines, but I think Dodd has a more seasoned view of America’s place in world affairs, owing in no small way, I believe, to the role his father played in the prosecution of Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg after the end of World War II and the influence that must have had on Chris Dodd when he was growing up.

In every other way, it seems to me, these two guys are soul brothers, and to get a sense of that would mean, just imagine what it would be like today if Joe Biden were presiding over of the U.S. Senate.

Dodd/Biden in 2008!

Biden is a blowhard who comes across as Senator Bloviator. Please.

Well, Biden is gaining support, and his supporters will continue to hope the rest of the country starts to see it.(like the rest of us did) He is the right person for the job, hands down. People who don’t like him, do not for personal reasons. He is the most qualified to be president. Period.

i think Biden would be a good choice for vp, while he comes accross as a hothead he could help the new president. i dont think Obama would be a good choice for VP i hope he gets nominated for president, asking America to vote for a woman and a man of mixed race both might be to much at one time.

Isn’t Biden running for President? Here we see the prime example of the problem ‘we’ have with mainstream media. If we’re not being force-fed some stupid ‘poll’ about who’s leading who, it’s articles like this one assuming he can’t win the Presidency, and planting the seed for Vice.

Please, can we all just let the primaries take care of themselves, then we can all sit back and let the electoral college pick the president for us……..as if that’s fair.

Why is the electoral college still alive? Is it the only legitimate chance republicans have anymore? We all know if every registered voter exercised that right, a republican would never win, not enough votes. BUT, the ole electoral college keeps hope alive!!!

To Eastwood:

Though radical elements are a large part of the problem in Iraq and Israel/Palentsine, they have no similarities. Iraq is in the midst of a civil war filled with sectarian violence. The Israeli/Palenstinian situation is equally if not more complex for much different reasons. Power sharing, oil revenues, local/regional control are the main issues among the rivaling factions in Iraq. Yet they are still Iraqis. (As evident in the recent turn of the local Iraqi leaders against the elements of Al-Qaeda).Palentine and Israel are not one country and will never be. They don’t have a constitution that’s recognized by the UN or International community. That is premise used to make clear the difference b/w the Iraq crisis and that of Israel/Palestine. If you have family or friends involved with the Israel/Palestine crisis, I’m sorry to hear that. But just because you do doesn’t mean that you get to chategorize any or every crisis as similar to Israel/Palestine and therefore you know best. The Bosnian crisis, which was a bloody sectarian civil war, was solved by Biden and Co. and yes, is relatively stable, with the former fighting factions, discussing, negotiating, even arguing about soveriegnty. It’s not perfect but it’s better than both Iraq and Israel/Palestine. Not a mirror image but a point of reference. Do you have any suggestions? Or do you just complain that people “don’t understand your struggle”.

Coach, i agree the electorial collage should be dropped, its antiquated and no longer needed.

“If the president sees Musharraf as a democrat, he must be wearing the same glasses he had on when he looked in Vladimir Putin’s soul.”

Unless I’m misunderstanding Biden’s meaning, this statement falls into the category: How to win friends and develop alliances.

just biden his time…

If this doesn’t convince you that bush lives in a bizarro world where he means exactly the opposite of what he says then nothing will open your eyes to truth. You will always be condemned to being a follower of evil men who will mislead you into killing your fellow man and destroying the world as we know it. my sympathies to you, may you be enlightend or raptured soon.

JoeD,

You wrote: “To Eastwood:
Though radical elements are a large part of the problem in Iraq and Israel/Palentsine, they have no similarities.”

It‘s not that “you don‘t understand my struggle,” it‘s that you didn‘t understand my post. I was responding to a earlier poster who said Iraq and the Israelis/Palestinian situation were nothing alike, and who then recommended a solution that would have worked for both situations. I brought it up because two situations have to be alike at least somehow if the solution for one would work for the other.

Again here that solution is: “But [Iraq] can become relatively stable, where the parties argue and negotiate over sovereignty like Bosnia today rather than this blood bath leading to nowhere.” I endorsed this solution as something that would work in both the Iraq and Israel/Palestine situations. In terms of Israel, it would work if settlement activity is banned and Israel were through negotiations to adopt strict sovereign borders which would necessarily define the borders of a Palestinian state (thereby determining the status of Jerusalem and the Palestinian refugees).

So I’ll pose the question again: Is Israel capable of negotiating over its sovereign borders? With their settlement activity and their disturbing marketing activity vis-à-vis the Golan heights, it seems the Israelis are the ones keeping their borders vague on the chance they can acquire more and more land. That is not the solution for peace and the absence of peace in the region threatens U.S. national security. It’s time to lean hard on the Israelis.

Bosnian war was an agression of Serbia and Montenegro, with the goal of eliminating and ethnic cleansing of all Bosniaks and Croats who live in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Just a remark. Greets from Sarajevo.