does anyone see the bigotry, prejudice and predisposition to generalizations in this guy’s statement? just curious.

Yes, Jed. It’s quite obvious.

Hey JF, you’re probably not going to show up to this forum again, but in case you do:

“They SHOULDN’T like Americans, because we stand for everything they hate”. Don’t they stand for everything WE hate?

” Americans KNOW most “Muslim Countries” ARE ABYSMAL!” What the f*ck is that supposed to mean?

Nevermind. Keep rolling with your ‘penis-envy’ ideology. Keep living your life putting America on top of the food chain. And, then keep wondering why people don’t like us……….

Bottom line: YOU, yes YOU, are the reason why people don’t like Americans. We’ve attacked, invaded, and occupied for 300 years and denied everything. Keep on denying……

Instead of water boarding, when we want to torture ‘dissidents,’ we can pipe in recitations of this guy’s and Wild Man’s rants.

JFs’ rant is emblematic of the ideology that propelled Hughes to such monumental failure.
Going out like a neo-crusader armed with GOP and Texas sensibilities, she found a world that had no use for her imperial message.

So what!. Who care’s.
I’m sick and tired of defending my nation to a bunch of snotty foreigners.( I’m talking specifically about people from Ithaca and San Francico)Would you rather have the 70’s back with everyone loving us and ole’ prune face in office making us the laughing stock of the planet with the Iran hostage crisis. ( Remember Ted Koppel’s “America Held Hostage- Day 274″) Anyways, when were we ever universally loved for that matter. Of course they hate us. We are the biggest, baddest, richest ( of any nation that really counts) country in the world. We have the best food (Chilis or McDonalds!), music ( if you discount P Diddy), and movies this side of the Milky Way. Remember when you were a kid, and that family moved into your neighborhood, and they built a new inground pool and bought each of their snotty sons a dirt-bike. you hated them too, didn’t you! Anyways, let them hate, fear, envy, protest us…whatever…as long as we don’t repeat 9/11!

Germanys rising Islamic population is one reason Americas favorability rating droped in Germany and the Bush candidate didnt win there like they did in France, Canada and Mexico.

SO???

Keeping on the TOPIC

Muslim countries not liking America has got to be up there with, ” HOW ARE THEY TREATING CHARLES MANSON IN PRISON “..

WHO THE “PHUK” CARES??

Face it folks, if the muslims didn’t have so much oil, the rest of the world would have let them starve to death a long time ago..

Sooner or later,, some muslim country ” iran ” is going to get a lot of muslims killed..
Who’s fault is that going to be??

Look at the past..
Muslim countries have always been at war with each other..
Nothing most muslims like doing more than killing another muslim who believes mohamads brother was telling more truth than his son in law…
Until the jews showed up,, they were killing and starving palistinians in the middle east..
Now we have the jews over there to keep them busy.

I love waking up every morning and looking at what they have done to my world..

Hmmm, now how many Europeans did Hitler kill? And how many Asians did the Japanese?

Yeah, ‘dem mooselums are awful people.

I recall when I was growing up that it was ‘common knowledge’ that Japanese didn’t value life. How else do you explain the Kamikaze attacks? Of course, if a GI falls on a grenade, he gets the Medal of Honor. I don’t think we have to look much father than this thread to understand the disdain with which most of the WORLD, some Americans included, have towards this country

na, I realized that from the first post. stopped bothering to read them after that… for the same reason I don’t watch movies like SAW. It’s stupid to feed your brain stupid sh*t of that nature.

Well, to be fair, Wilds writing skills have improved. The multiple commas and random capitalizations aren’t nearly as bad now.

Back on topic, who cares how much others like us. What matters is whether such aggression is justified or not. I could give a [pointless censorship] if the world hated us as long as we were actually not bothering and meddling with other countries. That’s what we should worry about. Our popularity is the end result of something far more important, which is how well we are treating the rest of the world. History has shown that we(or rather the ones controlling this country) have done some monstrous things. We should stop trying worry about our image and start worrying about what effects our image.

we’ve never been universally liked…during the cold war the only thing we had going for us was that we werent the Soviet Union

but as for muslims not liking us, this comes as no surprise…this is a clash of cultures people, of a culture of western materialism on one side and Islamic fundamentalism on the other…with the loudest on both sides getting the air time and the moderates getting drowned out

that said, however rascist/bigoted JF and Wild Mans posts may be, they have some truth to them…many of the major hot spots around the globe have some sort of muslim influence…again not every arab is a terrorist, but these are just rumblings in the greater clash to come…regardless of how you slice it, strapping bombs to a young boy and sending him into a disco to kill innocents does not a show a respect for life

one must remember–life outside of the west is nasty, brutish, short, and above all, cheap…these people come from a totally different background and world, and have a totally different way of thinking and approaching war(they have extremely long memories)…spend some time in Amman or Riyadh at night to find out

wow, now I know you’re dixie, but do you HAVE to be a moron?

the guys who are causing all the problems are not Muslim. They are no more muslim than you are a christian by mere virtue of living in the south. Considering that until recently we were funding chechens to harras the soviets, it’s pretty difficult to vilify all muslims for the acts of a few that we encited into acting that way.
While morons like Bush, Bin Laden and the Gliebe would like to convince you that this is a ‘clash of cultures’ only our imaginations can make it so. His job is to try and shape your imagination towards his point of view in order to have support for his desire to turn the earth into hell and make it miserable for all except the most well positioned elites.

Shapeshifter,

A reasoned point. Reaching the same from different directions. If we treat everyone fair and with respect, I think a response in kind would be the result. If not, I don’t think we should lose much sleep over it. If we’re a straight-shooter, then we should sleep the sleep of the innocent. Or some such thing.

BTW, Ta Ta Karen. One has to wonder where she will surface. In fact, one has to wonder what will become of all the Texans who rode into the White House seven years ago. Will they go the way of Hamilton Jordan, et al?

Karen Hughes just ain’t that good at putting lipstick on a pig.

Jed– i dont know how you extrapolate that simply because i believe that we are in the midst of a culture clash that i want it…and you havent presented any evidence whatsoever that what i’m talking about is a fantasy…the implication that Bush and Bin Laden have made up all of the trouble for the past thirty years, is at best strange, and at worst, laugable…bush and bin laden are merely symptoms in a long and dangerous game that has intensified since the USSR collapsed– you have had militant group after militant group declare that their only intention is to destroy everything that the fat, sexually overdriven, materially concerned, infidel “West” stands for, and that they will not stop until the new caliphate is established…i’m not making this up

again, not ALL muslims are to blame,but those that are seem to be conspicuously louder and more adept at killing than the moderates…those who control violence and fear control the debate

again, how do you view the world Jed? Is the US the only evil? or are we merely one side of the coin in a oil/religious/culture war? Again, spend some time in Cairo, Rabat, Amman, or Sanaa and see if the culture war is merely a figment of the imagination

How different is Envagelism from believing in space aliens? It’s hard for me to see a difference between these perspectives. They both draw on a more or less faith-based belief that there is a larger significance to existence, consciousness and the cosmos. Neither of these beliefs are rational, but the very persistence of beliefs like these suggests that this is something fundamental to the human condition. It’s difficult for me to understand how people who hold beliefs like these are so willing to be critical of other people with essentially similar beliefs.

Ole, Ole, Ole!!

And you were doing SO good, too. Do you REALLY think Jed is critical of Bushney, for example, BECAUSE of his, Bushney’s, beliefs? Really? Isn’t it more that Jed, among many of us, are repulsed because Bushney has created chaos, death and destruction because an ideology that takes it’s roots from a religion?

Before you jump, I’m not saying that religion is the ONLY ideology driving Bushney, but lord knows Shrub intones it often enough as a justification. And I won’t use any labels not because you find them distasteful but because I don’t understand the nomenclature of religion enough to trust myself. But suffice to say, a large segment of the religious philosophy Bushney subscribes to do seem to hold a rather negative opinion of those they believe to be ‘non believers.’ Which would, I expect include just about all of Islam.

Another tenet of that religious philosophy, in my humble opinion, would be an elevated level of arrogance to and including the opinion that God is on our side and He wants us to get Our oil.

There is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, wrong with having strong convictions, even religious convictions. There’s something ‘devilishly’ wrong when those convictions manifest themselves in foreign policy. ESPECIALLY in a state that espouses separation from any religion.

Coach kudos to you for turning a fine phrase my friend. Unfortunately, it would appear an umbrella is all the protection those Idiots require. To our eternal discredit.

No, I credit Jed with infinitely more sophistication than to suggest his main criticism of Bushney is evangelism.

those guys aren’t religious in any way, they merely use the label for political gain… where it otherwise, it would show in their actions, scandal and controversy would be the exception rather than the norm.