I didn’t care for the ad. Thought the pun was juvenile – though much of the substantiation was accurate. I do consider it a bit of balance on the part of the Times for the whole Judith Miller unquestioning support of the administraton in the run up to the war. This topic should have died a week ago.

I can see where the ‘Betray Us’ ad is still the talk of the town….it’s all they have. Those who can’t defend Bush’s illegal occupation can only attack its critics. The many military generals who have honestly assessed the Iraq debacle have been summarily dismissed.

I don’t think the ad backfired at all. As soon as the Republicans denounced it, MoveOn.org got about $500,000 in new donations, in about one day. I don’t know if the ad was right or wrong, but it did speak for a lot of Americans. I also feel that it was a HUGE waste of time and tax payer money to bring a “sense of the senate” vote to the floor about it when they could have been working on an exit strategy for the war instead. But what did I expect from a Texas republican? Move ON!

too bad there wasn’t such a clammor to condemn the swift boat ads during the kerry campaign… then again, it’s alot more ugly to ‘flip-flop’(ridicule) a sitting democratic senator than a democrat organization.

The New York Times needs to Stand Firm and engage in some of its past Boldness and Frankness.

The Times needs to ponder that being the White House’s “Lap-dog” has its Downside.

It can easily mean you can be abandoned and discarded(ask Powell, McCain)and become the “Evil Scapegoat” for the Bush administration and his Corporate Fascists.

Petraeus is giving Bush “misinformation” regarding the “success of the surge” and putting the troops in permanent stagnation in a deadly civil war in Iraq.

The New York Times seemed to have “No Apologies” for the irresponsible Giuliani attack ad on Hillary Clinton, linking her without basis, to the MoveOn ads that were Truthful and challenging to the Bush “War” plight.

Right-wing Corporate seems to have taken Control of the majority of newspaper-, television, cable media!

Where is the balance-and who represents the Majority of Americans? It certainly isn’t the Right-wing media! Shame on the New York Times!

Apparently, to some people, patriotism means never saying anything bad about anybody. Hmm. McCarthyismHitlerismStalinism? Patriotism means love of country. It doesn’t say follow a criminal regime. In fact, wanting a criminal regime to get what’s coming IS patriotic.

I just read the ad again. Everything in it is documented, and supported by intelligence reports and the words of General Petraeus, starting in 2004 with a pre-election statement that we were making “tangible progress” and that “Iraqi leaders were stepping forward”.

He was paid off for these lies with a 4th star and command in Iraq. During his tenure as commander in Iraq, the RATE of American casualties has steadily increased, proving the falsity of his claims.

The Move On ad, published before Petraeus said a word before the committee, predicted accurately what he would say, and he voluntarily set the wreath of dishonor on his own head by misrepresenting the situation on the ground in Iraq, and misleading the Congress and the People of the United States.

More than politicians, more than Newspapers, the men and women of our military speak of honor and respect, and the need for both. General Petraeus did not uphold that honor before Congress. And he disrespected every one of the men who have given their lives under his command with his lies, halftruths, and dishonest representations of what is actually occurring in Iraq today.

Right on, Move On!

Two years from now we’ll be looking back on the “betray us” ads as prescient. Liberals always get pilloried for being right. It’s a law of physics.

That ad is a classic example of liberal hypocracy