I opt for Plan ‘B.’ It will be interesting to see where he lands. Unless this has been a long choreographed move, the liklihood of his joining some campaign upsetting the chemistry of that campaign is pretty great.

And I’m not so sure I’d want to run for Prez with him on my team. All the Dems would have to say is, “Do you want four more years like the last eight?”

I’m not sure just what mierada might be heading for the oscillating device. This is pretty late in the game for such shenanigans. Like closing the barn door after all the horses are out.

Dirty Dennis, youre right, hiring Karl Rove would give a candidate excess baggage that they dont need. So far i like this election theres less hate and anger.

Like closing the barn door after all the horses are out.

You assume we’ve learned all, or even the worst, crimes of this administration. All too likely that that will never happen.

Karl is no longer needed in Washington. His work here is done, so let me just say.

“You did a Hell of a job Rovie”

Does this mean Bush can’t use ‘executive privelege’ to protect Rove anymore? God knows, this sinister fuckhead needs protection. Karl Rove didn’t do a damn thing positive for this country. All he did was drive a giant wedge between the two parties. All he did was create so much chaos, that when the Democrats gained power, they didn’t know where to start. All he did was steal two elections for Bush, which has led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. All he did was smear EVERYBODY.
Unfortunately, he’ll resurface with either JulieAnny, or FlipFlop Fred. So, brace yourself for some ‘lost’ votes in the next election.
He’s a religous man, allegedly, and he’s going straight to hell. This whole cabinet claims to be religious. Isn’t that a bit odd? A religious group hell bent on war????

The reason he gave for his leaving was gold. To paraphrase: “I’m resigning to spend more time with my family”

Classic. The guy will even use his family to sell a lie. What a worthless human being he is.

Doh. Didn’t see the update. Didn’t mean to be a parrot.

What would be terrifying is if he was going to work on somone’s campaign and maaged to weasle his way into another republican whitehouse. You’d think that people wouldn’t trust someone with Rove in his employ (under Rove thumb). But sometimes I just don’t know…

He’s gonna jump on the Guilliani band wagon in January, just watch.

so will someone else just as corrupt fill the gap soon? How long until they are finally held accountable and then forced to step down? Will Rove be forgotten and allowed to simply walk?

This whole process doesn’t seem to be getting us anywhere. The administration is still going the same course.

He’s already working on Guliani’s bid for the White House.

These two losers (hopefully) won’t team up to make Rudy a winner. They’re both the wrong guys at the wrong time.

So Karl Rove is “cutting and running?” Just like a con: guilty of everything they accuse the other side of.

Karl Rove is the man. You F’ng liberal losers are just jealous that you didn’t have him work for you.

Goodbye to the biggest loser of them all – goodbye and good riddance – too bad he didn’t take Dubya with him – another outstanding loser in life – On Olbermann’s show it was stated that Rove demonized H. Clinton – that he was going to probably interject himself into the coming election because ‘he knows’ a Republican will win the White House – he doesn’t know bipkas – this man was fired from Bush 41 for outing a person on Bush 41’s staff (sound familiar) – When Rove was being interviewed during the Nov. 06 election and he stated ‘by his numbers the Repugs would be okay’- we all thought, ‘wow’, what numbers does he have that we don’t – well, we all know what happened and I think it was a wakeup call for me and many others who were watching. I must say that we have all been scammed by lies and rhetoric – the next election will definitely be a wakeup call to those Repugs who have remained loyal to Bush – the funny thing is Bush doesn’t care about anyone other than his Base; corporations and the wealthy and he has done them well – he has also been able to take our children’s lives, spend us into debt, not allowed us to educate our children, keep our families healthy nor allowed us to have decent paying jobs – he has hated entitlements because he and his base think they are entitled to that money – we are also left with two new Supreme Court losers that will make backward decisions that will hurt many people. I do see the light at the end of the tunnel – it is about 524 days away.

JES,

Rove a Loser? You only wish. Rove is 2-0 in Elections and you better hope he isn’t resigning to jump on the Newt Campaign or it might be 3-0.

You Libs only wish he was on your side. Rove is the perfect Washington Politician without actually being a “Politician”

And it pisses you off that you got nothing on this guy or else he would be on trial. Maybe if the Dems could quit the Witch Hunt and get to work, Congress could actually acomplish some of the Lies they promised you Libs back in November.

God Bless Karl Rove and the GOP

guy has nothing to do with God, he may sit at a church but there’s definately no inkling of that being or it’s teachings within that vessel. If he’s done anything it’s make the party look like a bunch of totalitarian biggots with dreams of power in their eyes… which they are.

Continue the investigations, he couldn’t have shredded everything, if politicizing cabinet positions, firing prosecutors to end investigations in virginia and other states arent enough to convict this idiot, then this country is not headed to hell in a handbasket, it is hell.

I agree with Hallzee. I really wish this guy was a democrat. Oh, wait, you can’t be a democrat and have his sinister ideology. Isn’t it funny that the most sinister people throughout history are also ones that claim religion? Is it an out of some sort that I don’t know about? Is this Greece, where you can literally pay to have your sins forgiven?
Hallz, that argument, or whatever that was, sounded like a 6-year old. “You just wish he was on your team. Neener, neener, neener.”
Personally, as a liberal democrat, I hope to GOD I run into Karl Rove someday. I promise you on my grandfather’s grave, I’ll kick that dude right in the teeth. He STOLE two elections. Suppressed many liberal votes. And then, claims that the dems were the ones invovled in voter fraud. The list with this fuckhead goes on and on and on. I’m so happy you’re proud of him Hallz. It shows your true colors. White

GOOD BYE CARL!!
JUST THINK, NEXT TIME A DEMOCRAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU THAT’S NOT TRUE,, YOU CAN SUE THE SHIT OUT OF EM!!

Halzee,

I feel sorry for you. How can you POSSIBLY tell, at any given time, if you’re kissing their ass, sucking them off or taking it up the backside You do them all. You are the consummate dupe, the ultimate sperm receptacle. If Rove EVER looked at RS posts, he’s say, “Thank GOD for weenies like Halzee.” The closest he would ever allow you to him is to wipe his ass after he took a dump.

Be a man for God’s sake. Stand UP for something, not down. Reach out for a better world. Do something positive. This wonderful world we get to share, each and every one of us, was WON at the expense of people like you. Spear carriers for the elite, the rich and the greedy ( a nod to Jed). All along the progress of humanity, these people have fought, tooth and nail, to prevent ‘man’ from bettering himself. And they used cannon fodder like you to fight their battles.

The workers protesting intolerable conditions in the early part of last Century were beaten and shot by thugs like you. When women tried to vote or earn equal wages, you were there to ‘put them in their place.’ Whenever mankind has tried to elevate himself, there have been cretins like yourself standing in the way. Remarkably enough, all these people have been trying to help YOU because you are part of all of us. But because you border on criminal STUPIDITY, you seem unable to see who wants to use you and who wants to help you.

Have you no shame? Are you not a man?

see, you do understand why I consider these fools dangerous as well. They are the lemmings who will take up arms to help the Nazi’s not realizing they are leading them to perdition.

Jed,

They’re not dangerous. Just irritating. I don’t worry about thugs and the likes of Halzee. I worry about all those folks who just go along with the program.

And, am I not one of them? Does pointing the finger at Halzee exonerate me from blame? I think not. If I’m not the problem, I’m at the very least, part of it. Or, better, the problem is that I am feckless. Feckless, partly, because of some innate weakness and feckless, partly, because of the system.

But I’m not so feckless as to put up with BS from bozos. Not by a DAMNED sight. If the best I can do in life is to fill this site up with words echoing my disapproval of events and people therein, at the same time NOT become a prostitute to someone else’s agenda, then I’ll have to settle for that.

One man can’t build an empire by himself. He needs the labor of those who ’serve their country’. Those have included slaves, immigrants, felons, peasants, drunks, and anyone who will go along. Isn’t it amazing what retired generals are saying about this Iraq sham? Why would we listen to their opinion of anything when they’re ’serving’? They aren’t ALLOWED to have a thought for themselves.
Good luck Hallzee and Pig Boy, and PropAss sniffer. The shit comes out in the wash, I like to say. The only hope we, as citizens, actually have, is for history to write these guys up horribly. But, as we’ve already ‘learned’ in school, things aren’t really written up truthfully. America is one giant fraud right now. Hypocritical in the highest sense. The war on terrorism is fueling the fires of terrorism and global warming. Funny thing, though, about the supporters of Bushmills and Dick Vader……..they don’t deny anything. They just say “Shut up and quit crying liberal suckasses.” Funny thing about that is, I remember quite vividly an 8-year span when the Repubes were acting like infants during the Clinton years.

Actually, I have to admit it, I had a secrete man-crush on Rove, and really wanted to toss his salad.

You know, Hallzee, I’d probably swallow some of his man-sauce, too.

Hallzee and peteasauce:

We could have guessed as much. Typical repub ass-licks.

Karl Rove is a politician, first and foremost. There are hundreds of guys in Washington who do the same thing he does, it’s just he is the most successful. To pick Karl Rove out the pack to hate on is to ignore the current political landscape entirely and look the other way when you know damn well there are comparative figures on the Democratic side. The difference is that Karl Rove was better at what he did than his contemporaries in the Democratic party. The reason he’s hated so much is because he’s a successful Republican. If Democrats would really think about it, they would’ve wanted someone like him for the 2000 and ‘04 campaigns.

It’s fine to disagree with his policies and tactics, but one must recognize that your favorite politician has a guy like Karl Rove on his staff. Simply put, it’s the spinning black hole of modern politics. So hate the game, not the player, otherwise you’re just narrow-minded hypocrite (in other words, a modern liberal).

Halzee,

I’m glad you mentioned history, Anyone who truly reads will recognize that history belongs to the progressives. Ever since JC and the boys, the first Liberals, things have been in a state of progression. I’ll grant you the Dark Ages WERE a setback, but no more than that. Progress is inexorable and you Cons can wail, gnash your teeth and curse til you’re blue in the face without changing that fact.

This country was founded as one of the fruits of the Age Of Enlightenment and has been a beacon for the rest of mankind to follow ever since. People like Rove (gotta stay on topic), you and Cheney may see it otherwise, but you’re yesterday and always will be. Some of you will try to rewrite history, just as you’ve done before, but the truth will always out.

History will show that beginning with Reagan, this country began a campaign of global imperialism. They did so while openly lying to the American people. They conjured up amazing fabrications to ‘justify’ invading Grenada and Panama, two sovereign countries that were NO threat to this country at all. They trafficked in drugs and weapons and sponsored terror in Nicaragua in an attempt to overthrow it.

There was a hiatus when Clinton was in office, but rather than stem the tide of warlike imperialism, it only stopped it up for a time. When Bush became president, he unleashed all the pressure that had built up and soon, like his ‘forefathers,’ he began a war against small, defenseless countries.

What was once a peace loving country has now become the exporter of war and dare I say it, terror. Instead of using it’s wealth, influence, technology and, yes, power, to make the world a better place to live, this country has declared war on anyone who thinks differently than we.

That’s what history will say about Rove, Cheney and their kind. Other writers will dwell on the black hearts of these people, how they sold out their own countrymen for the sake of their warped ideology, how they sacrificed the lives of hundreds of thousands to ensure their compatriots maintain an obscene level of wealth. They manipulated their own followers into a crusade against Islam while they privately laughed at them.

It’s not the first time. As far as historical figures go, these ‘leaders’ remind of Caligula and Nero, NOT Washington and Lincoln.

Prop and glue sniffer: Liberals are narrow-minded hypocrites? Yeah, as if fighting for oil isn’t narrow minded……..
Iraq’s threat to national security was no different than the current threat in Africa. For you people to justify the policies and actions that have killed hundreds of thousands of people, exposed the narrow-mindedness of you and your party. ‘Other people’ don’t matter to you. You’re the same kind of people who will threaten to bomb Venezuela just because Chavez says something anti-american, all while calling American Liberals anti-american. So, why don’t you people just start a revolution to eliminate the liberal party. Apparently, we’re no different than Chavez, Hussein, Jong, Ahmadinajad, et al.

Yes, modern politics is a busted machine. But, that’s no justification for fascist, racist policies. And, for the record, I don’t think it’s possible to be a Democrat and even TRY to suppress the vote. So, Rove’s policies would have made him the ugly duckling in the room.

Kid,

I scarcely know where to begin. A little research might be in order. You can google Karl Rove Biography and get a slew of readings, or go to wikipedia dot org/wiki/Karl_Rove. I have to say, I think wikipedia’s the best thing since sliced bread. Just wish you didn’t have to scroll down to their search window. Seems like a major oversight. Wicktionary doesn’t do that.

I’m sure all the Cons, like you, think Wikipedia’s some liberal website because it’s an ‘open’ site. What’s new.

I suppose there’s no way to ‘prove’ that Karl Rove is NOT the genius he’s made out to be, although it’s easy to prove he’s the sleazeball he’s made out to be. He won elections with Shrub and that’s the final analysis. But was it Karl Rove who orchestrated the victories or simply the times?

Does Rove get ‘credit’ for recognizing the power of the religious right? I believe Pat Robertson was ‘there’ long before Rove. And Billy Graham, long before Robertson. Does Rove get credit for using ‘dirty tricks?’ He learned them from former Nixon aides. And we all know it was the Liberal/Progressives who ‘invented’ them back in the days of the party machines.

I don’t think Rove should get any credit for ‘winning’ the 2000 election. If Ralph Nader hadn’t run and the Supreme Court, hardly pawns to Rove, hadn’t ruled in favor of the Cons, what a surprise, Gore would have won in a walk. As it was, Gore STILL have the majority of the vote. Or is someone going to give credit to Rove in how the electoral college is run?

In 2004, the incumbent, Shrub, with about a 60% approval rating only got 53% of the vote. A little better than Dad, but not QUITE as good as Ronnie. Genius, Rove, genius.

Elections are about two things (sans war and the economy): money and the general drift of the public. Cons spend obscene amounts of money, mostly to denigrate their opponent at the same time scaring the hell out of the public, and the current drift of the country has been slightly to the right. No doubt due, in part, by the aforementioned amounts of money, did I mention they were obscene, spent by the Cons to push them that way.

Rove was in the right place at the right time. He’s already demonstrated what a hypocrite he is about religion, but he still ought to get down on his knees and thank God for his good luck.

Dems don’t try to suppress the vote, are you serious? Both sides try and suppress the votes of the other. You would have to be retarded to not see that. In the last election left wing groups slashed tires on busses used to haul Republican voters to the polls. Republicans found other ways to suppress the votes of Dems. Let’s be honest about things and not wear our asses as our hats.

C Co.,
Nice job!

DirtyDennis
Re-read what I said and stop spinning to attack what you want me to say. You’re arguments aren’t responsive to my points at all. Also, vilifying people who disagree with your leftist arguments as “cons” shows so little understanding of the variety in the political spectrum.

and labeling anyone who doesn’t agree with you as ‘liberal’ is different how?
Denis uses it as a descriptor, you use it as an insult.

Attaboy Jed. Here’s to us ‘retarded’ liberals wearing our ‘asses as hats’. Once again, all they say is ’shut up, you crying libs’….
Bush could probably get his own daughters pregnant, nuke Hawaii, and start drilling for oil right in the middle of Yankee Stadium, and those chump enablers like Hallzee and others would still support him. Blind faith, baby!

Kid,

You hold yourself in too high esteem. After the second paragraph, I’d forgotten about you and got on point. What this thread is about.

“You’re So Vain, you probably think this post’s about you, about you.”

Sixinonehand, I’m not calling you retarded or saying that liberals are crybabies. I do not consider myself a Republican or a conservative (Libertarian would be closer to the truth). Nor am I a blind follower of Bush as I disagree with him on numerous policies. What I am saying is that neither party is void of dirty tricks or tricksters such as Karl Rove. To honestly believe otherwise would demonstrate at the very least a modicum of ignorance.

…and to accept such actions, dirty tricks as you say, from either party is detrimental to the political process and the persuit of hapiness and justice.

To think that your political party is justified in using such tactics merely because the other side used them in the past is just asking for trouble. What we should do is realize that humans are fallible and if allowed to they will take a mile when given an inch. Prevention is usually best, but it can’t be relied on to keep a determined instigator from doing it, so there has to be strong laws with teeth to punish such behaviour. Preventing the actors from ever participating in a political party would be nice, perhaps 10 years?

Somewhere In the Middle
Seems I said the exact same thing as you, but we got different reactions from this crowd. Huh…

P.S. I also consider myself a moderate individual. Somehow this crowd doesn’t respect that either. Huh…

Since all the people on this site care about is the screen name anyway, maybe I should switch it up so they actually read what I say. Nah, that still won’t ever happen.

Jed, I agree with you. The old adage of “two wrongs don’t make a right” comes to mind as there is no justification for dirty politics But for us to think we can completely eradicate such filthyness seems as futile as the War on Drugs. Even with tough laws, there will always be someone willing to take the risk in order to get elected, get a bill passed, etc. All we can do as voters and constituents is call things as we see them and do our very best to hold our officials accountable.
C Co I agree with you as well. I think you and I share many similar views based on reading comments from past topics. Unfortunately with the political landscape being the way it currently is, moderates seem to get lost in the shuffle amid the fighting between the extreme left and right. I can only hope that things will soon return to a point where intelligent debate can be had sans the vitriol and vileness.

DirtyDennis,
If by the “The Kid” you are referring to Hallzee, then I’m sure there are some topics he and I agree on as I hold some liberal AND some conservative views. Which would mean I probably agree with you on some topics as well.
As far as John Edwards and Hillary Clinton. I don’t like either of them. I think Hillary Clinton is as fake as Pam Anderson’s breasts and I think John Edwards is a hypocrite. As of right now none of the candidates have really impressed me.

Midman,

Sorry, ‘The Kid’ is Propaganda. Some time ago he gave us his age. I’m not sure the exact, but pre-20. Easier than coming up with a quick moniker for him.

Give the political climate and reality I don’t see how we can ever truly ‘know’ a candidate. Hillary may well be ‘fake,’ but I doubt she’s much more than any one else who’s risen to political prominence. I believe her to be tough and I think I know where she stands. Edwards seems to say some pretty nice things but may be, as you say, a hypocrite. I would ask, does that set him apart. I don’t know how tough he is nor do I really know where he stands.

Dennis is the obnoxious smart kid in the back of the room making smart remarks. For some reason no one takes him serious. I liked Richardson when he was Interior Sec (?) but don’t know much about him from that. Biden and Dodd have shot their wad. That leaves, I believe, Obana. I have great hope for him. But he’s been on the scene for such a short time, I hesitate to throw too much of my heart behind him. Besides, he can only be president for eight years, a stupid rule. What then?

In truth, the media pretty much winnows down the crowd. Iowa and NH may actually see the candidates, but the rest of us have to read about them. I have a feeling they’ve made their pick. But the public CAN fool them. We shall see.

Midman,

Sorry, again, the kid used those terms against Hillary and Edwards. That’s what I was referencing.

Dennis
The sad thing is if you had spent the time to read what I actually wrote about the Democratic contenders over the last couple months, instead of zoning in on a few words, you’d see I almost agree with you entirely. And yes, I think Obama is the most honest and least tainted by Washington politics of any contender in this election. However you want someone with a little more experience than him leading such a powerful country. Bush’s biggest mistakes came from lack of experience when dealing in foreign politics.

Dennis,
I agree with your evaluation of the candidates. I watched the Dem debate at Soldier Field and the person that impressed me the most was Kucinich. He seemed the most real, most genuine and most passionate about what he was saying. Unfortunately, I don’t share enough of his views to vote for him. As for Obama, he is definitely the least tainted candidate, but like C Co mentioned, he lacks the experience. I think the next four years are going to have a lot riding on them and it worries me to put that responsibility in the hands of someone lacking in experience.
And C Co if you are pre-20 as Dennis mentioned, I must say I am impressed that someone your age is as interested in politics as you are and that you can formulate cogent arguments as well as you do. Cheers!

his lack of experience is exactly what we need. Experience brings complacency and cronyism, something we’ve had plenty of in recent history. We definately need someone who has a little doubt and is willing to listen to the experts from all fields to make a well informed decision. Experience means nothing, what sort of energy you channel makes all the difference. We’ve had people in control for a very long time that channel the dark side, time to make a change for the better.
Though Kucinic is the more intelligent, experienced and open of the whole lot, it is unlikely he will be elected as he does not represent the american people, who seem to have identified themselves as intellectually lazy, complacent and reactionists of late.
As for the ‘Kid’, he said he was 17 a few months ago, but given the nature of the internets, that should be taken with a huge grain of sand, he’s given to taking different personas and writting styles of late, his purpose seems to be more about creating chaos and discord than positing any intelligent topics of discussion.

Jed,

I agree wholeheartedly. JFK had was no more than Obana now and had his life not been cut short, a fear I have for Barrack, he would be counted among the greats. I have NO doubt there are elements in the Cons capable of assassinating an American president, then and now. But if he chooses to run and wins the nomination, I will enthusiastically vote for him. (But hey, we know I’m gonna vote for any Dem.)

As for the Kid, he’s on my watch list. By that, I mean I haven’t identified which ‘camp’ he’s in. He SAYS he’s in neither, but his rhetoric is mostly anti-Liberal. As for other personas, I can’t say. It’s too much bother to try and decipher, so I address each on an individual basis. I confess, I’ve used different monikers, but like three times in almost a year. Too much trouble. It’s like lying; you have to remember all the lies else you’ll trip yourself up. Can’t do it.

Jed
This is like the 5th time I’ve read you say I’ve switched “personas”. I’ve never switched my screen name. Ever. Go to RollingStone.com’s tech guys and check the IP addresses for all I care. Cut the BS.

Dennis
I totally understand why you’d think I’m more conservative. But put in the context of RS.com (an upfront far-left site) of course I’m going to disagree with what is said and how things are reported moreso than I’d agree. If you really want to know what “camp” someone is in, you have to look at their stances on imporant issues. I have liberal stances on abortion, stem cell research, and the environment, but have more conservative stances on immigration, national defense, and enconomical issues. I also would totally support multiple parties in US politics. In my opinion, if you really care about political issues and pay attention to what is happening (fairly, mind you), there’s no excuse for not being moderate.

BRAVO!!!

DD,

What are you trying to say I’m not moderate? Now where’d you get an idea like that?

What really irks me is when people like the propaganda sniffer try to define what the “center” of an issue is and then squat there saying they’re moderate. Doing that is so tired and so obviously manipulative that I just tend to discount that stuff whenever I hear it. What it really is is the propaganda snorter constructing a value system for himself and then imposing it on other people, so however far away you are from his values, that’s how “far left” or “far right” you are. It’s the technique of either a propagandist or a psychotic narcissist.

Incidentally, the cons have been doing this for 30 years as part of a strategy to force Americans to become more conservative. It involves claiming people who disagree with them are “far left,” or “out of the mainstream,” or “unserious.” It involves demonizing the word “liberal,” it involves Reagan’s idea of never criticizing a fellow conservative so as to appear more confident and bigger than you actually are, it involves shrill claims of media bias, etc…

It’s all a propaganda effort and the Democrats have nothing like it. Imagine someone on t.v. all day proclaiming the patriotic and wondrous efforts of unions or government regulation. Or how “far right” those CEOs and neocons are. You get the picture.

Midman,

Thought I responded, but I don’t see anything out there. Galloping dementia. If I did and I missed it and am ‘redoing,’ I apologize.

I think we need to frame the discussion somewhat. About 90% of what I reference is on the national level and more specifically, the executive branch. Issues are not, forgive me, the issue. There are ‘good’ GOP Congressmen out there and ‘bad’ Dems. But when you elect an administration, you get, to my way of thinking, MUCH more bad. Frankly, in this case, you get precious little good.

People like Reagan, Bush, Bush and Cheney are really talking heads for a greater force. I have said that I think Bush to be childlike, feckless and harmless, perhaps not in those particular words. And the latter needs qualification is that because he IS harmless, he is oh so dangerous because of it.

All three were borderline buffoons, but look at what they wrought: polarized income, corruption, ideology, service degradation, armed imperialism, and enormous budget and trade deficits to name but a few. They’ve made cabinet appointments with a single-minded goal of destroying all the social legislation built up over the past 100 years. They prostitute themselves to capital and name judges with agendas left over from the dark ages.

You can vote issues all you want, but when you elect a GOP administration, you need only look at history to see what the result will be.

I wouldn’t want Karl with the Democrats for all the multi-hundred billions spent so recklessly and stupidly in the “War” in Iraq…

Rove needs to be Prison-Bound…
Liar and scum. Not worthy of anything but collecting parasites.