I’m going to be sick.
Is he really evil or just brain damaged?

CHENEY 08!!
BELIEVE IT!!!

CHENEY 08!!
BELIEVE IT!!!

i agree with what he said, except the part about Turkey i favor the Kurds and Greece over Turkey.

?no one could have foretold that it was going to go as badly as it did” — con Rumsfeld.

I wonder if the hague would consider Crimes Against Humanity charges against Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and Powell for purposedly invading a country with the intent of turning it into a battlefield, knowing full well what would happen by not going in with the Half Million troops needed in order to draw extremists to it and force a destabilization of the Middle East.
I guess Condi should be indicted as well, since she keeps saying they are changing the face of the middle east. Apparently they purposedly decided it to destabilize the region to make theyr oil friends rich.

Ofcourse, Jed, you are being completly correct in your statements. The unfortunate thing here, is the fact that so many American still believe that there’s no way an ‘American’ would do those kinds of things. It’s a bit of blind faith. I’m not sure why Dr. Evil was so negative about an invasion. He had propsed exactly that on many occasions before this interview. Cynically speaking, I think he was downplaying an invasion because Clinton was President.
Bush lied about wmd’s. Bush lied about connection to al-qaeda. Bush lied about Hussein buying yellowcake. Bush lied about not leaving Afghanistan. Bush lied about not occupying Iraq. All of these lies, perpetrated by the originator Cheney, have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
Clinton lied about a blowjob………probably not even a very good one.

Retarded logic.

P.S. Not that invading Iraq in the manner the US did was a sound foreign policy decision, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that many aspects of Middle East politics (and America place in such) have changed SINCE 1994! You’re just fanning the flames of liberal hate, Tim.

Kid,

I see you haven’t matured much in my absence. Too bad, there was/is a LOT of room for growth. One of the first things you WOULD have learned, had you matured is NOT to fall on a grenade unless you’re going to actually save someone’s life. Did you even watch the video?

Please elucidate. Just what’s changed since 1994? The number of GIs to die is now worth Sadaam? It won’t be a quagmire? Bordering countries won’t get involved? Please, illuminate me. And while you’re illuminating, add in just what is your definition of ‘liberal hate.’ Wow, that takes chutzpah. It’s actually an oxymoron, just like ‘kinder, gentler, conservatism,’ or whatever that BS Georgie tried to pander when he was running for election.

Bush/Cheney didn’t invade Iraq ‘cause they didn’t have the Huevos. Not that I thought they should. But he sure did. He knew, or at least Bush did, that the public wouldn’t buy it. And they don’t buy it NOW, now that the truth is out. And the truth is, Cheney and his ‘gang,’ (Wolfowitz, et al) railroaded this country into this war. Impeachment, hell. If they were line officers, they’d be court martialed about now.

The final truth is this country let itself be led into this mess. Those Idiots In Charge may have conjured up some fake reason to go, but in the final analysis, the responsibility, lies with us, the people. I thought it was a dumb idea, but what did I do? Nada!! Shook my head and muttered expletives. I can blame no one else.

By the same token, I won’t stand for anyone spouting pseudo-platitudes for that Hitleresqe SOB. I’m not so sure about a deity, but in this case I hope there’s someone ‘waiting’ for Dick Boy when he tries to enter the hereafter. AND, that he’s gone fishing when it’s my turn.

On a whole different note, what’s Gonzalez doing in Iraq? Bolstering the morale of the troops or teaching the Iraqis how justice works? Either one is a farce.

Double D. Don’t get too upset. There’s just a very uninformed, uneducated part of society. It just so happens that part of society are the ones that keep giving mulligans to the kinds of things this administration has done. Sadly, a big part of that group, also happens to believe in total and complete American imperialism. They believe it’s the only way to police the world. It’s also an expression of penis envy….and machismo…..and all that bullshit that belongs on the elementary schoolyard.

Personally, I agree with you. I, honestly believe, that the policies used by this administration are criminal and punishable to the highest extent. Just because you’re a politician doesn’t give you the right to tell somebody to do your MURDERING for you. Retaliation is a different matter, which is why the bombing of Afghanistan was justified and the invasion of Iraq was not. And, remember people, Congress only okayed it based on the faulty intelligence. They didn’t know it was faulty and fraudulent until after. They didn’t know it had been changed. So, let’s NOT blame the voters, please……

Propaganda snorter,

Excellent point! Nothing changed with regards to Iraq, but the rest of the mid east? How bout the Oslo accords and the Likudist’s 1996 rejection of them: (google/wiki “a clean break: a strategy for securing the realm”). A lot of the guys who wrote that paper for Netanyahu were in the Bush cabinet and pushing hard for war; it’s cute how that report has forecast each mid-east development since (except attacking Iran and Syria of course, but we still got another year and a half…) How ’bout Clinton making the removal of Saddam official U.S. policy in 1998? Who pushed for that? Or the “antiwar” democrat’s capitulation last year to the idea that congress would need to approve a strike on Iran? Who pushed for that, the “party of surrender?”

The Iraq war was an Israeli hit job on Saddam because he bombed Tel Aviv during Gulf War I. Cheney was against taking Saddam out before he was for it because he figured he could get rich off the war and run the country at the same time, and because he agreed with the policy change of creating civil war within mid-east countries hostile to Israel rather than supporting dictators who might attack Israel in the neocon’s bad dreams. That policy change (called the “War on Terror”) also allowed Cheney to play out the unitary executive fetish he’s had since his days in the Ford administration.

Cheney is not insane, he’s just an asshole who doesn’t care who dies as long as he’s making money and feeling good about himself while doing it.

double D just made my day.

Six’nAHalf,

Your schoolyard analogy is apt. I’ll take it one step further. NONE of us have really left the schoolyard. The same emotions and insights (?) that existed then, exist now. Some of us, however, have learned to understand and even control these natural functions of the body human. It helps, I believe, if you look at life as a kindergarten class and the RS Daily Affairs as recess, when all the kiddies head for the yard.. I think it helps define and understand the various posters herein.

In addition, in this venue, physical size and appearance is removed, leaving only one’s voice. All the better to ‘see’ Johnny and Billy and Suzie, and understand them. We’re all just children and there are a LOT of scary things going on outside the yard.

Most of us have no firsthand experience with any of those scary things. What we know and learn we do so through others: our parents, our friends, our reading and the media. All the life outside the yard, for most of us, is filtered through one or more of these sources.

Finally, the most scary thing of all going on outside the yard, to many of us at least, is change. Change over which none of us have control. Change which has an outcome none of us can project. Among those in the Manhattan Project, there were some who felt the detonation of the Atomic Bomb would unleash a chain reaction which would spell the end of the Earth. The perception that change is fatal is neither new nor unique.

In the yard, however, many, the conservatives, want to prevent change, as if that was possible. They ignore the fact that change is inevitable and that change created the world, mostly grand, that we now live in. In reality, they are the agents of change because they wish to alter the natural course of events.

Of course, it must be understood that the conservatives are a teensy – weensy bit hypocritical. They’re against ‘change’ for our country and our life, but they’re all for it in other countries. To wit, Iraq. They don’t even mind calling it regime ‘change.’ But that’s another story for another time.

Word,

Thanks for the reference. Not that I found it enjoyable reading or anything. Rather, I’ve been trying to remember the 1998 letter to Clinton urging an attack on Iraq and, more importantly, the signatories. Reads like a Who’s Who list of the architects of the Iraqi Invasion.

As for Cheney, I agree with you but wonder how big his drive for personal wealth is. At least now. When I see him I see evil incarnate. I believe he thirsts for power and the more he gets only makes him want more. Perhaps he’s maxed out. We can only hope so. ‘Cause if his thirst is unslated, I don’t put it beyond him to do anything to get what he wants.

The ‘problem’ for him is the only place ‘up’ for him is into the spotlight. And it’s there that he wilts. Look at the shooting incident and the time when he sicced the special service agents on that guy who called him out. As soon as the media went for him he becomes like a deer in the headlights and the cloak of darkness goes up. And woe unto anyone who might try to penetrate it.

Given DickieBoy’s thirst for power AND his overwhelming arrogance, I imagine he sees himself as some JP Morgan type powerbroker calling shots from the public sector. I believe he honestly thinks he has that kind of charisma and clout. As if. If it weren’t for the feckless Bush Boys, Cheney’d been best remembered as an ex-representative from Wyoming. But the Clueless Couple were putty in his, and others, hands and he got the ride of a lifetime.

His ‘rise’ in this country has coincided with periods of increased aggression by this country, coupled with decreasing well-being among the general populace and his ‘fall’ has coincided with periods of peace and prosperity. We can only hope he’s going to crawl back under the rock whence he came.

Propaganda snorter,

“I’m saying it stupidity to hold 13 year old words against someone when clearly the political landscape has changed in the Middle East.”

Look, stop generalizing about the “middle East,” it makes you sound “narrow-minded“ and “ignorant.” Cheney’s “13 year old words” were about Iraq and the specific consequences of invading Iraq. He actually used the word “quagmire”-recalling Vietnam-to describe what would happen if the U.S. deposed Saddam in 1992. The man is not dumb. He forecast exactly what happened after W. invaded.

Which brings me to Dirty Dennis,

Cheney is really one of the hardest guys to figure out in this administration isn’t he? In my own experience I’ve observed that power and influence over other people can be an insidiously and universally corrupting thing. Cheney’s had a hard-on for an almost monarchical executive since the Ford administration and the one chance he’s had to really exercise that kind of power has been -ironically- as vice president. A psychologist would call that kind of power/control lust “sadism,” but I wouldn’t disagree with calling it “evil.” Either way Cheney is a deeply flawed human being and the consequences of his actions have been disastrous for the country. It obviously doesn’t help that he’s profiting monetarily off this war, but his profiting provides a pretty strong motive for Cheney to act the way he has. As the propaganda snorter pointed out, what’s changed in Cheney for him to shift gears like this? Well, one he was appointed head of Halliburton, two he’d been appointed vice president while receiving money from Halliburton, and three, he’s had four heart attacks.

While heart attacks and near-death experiences can alter one’s value system, I just don’t believe that someone who has continuously displayed such skill at manipulating the government beaurocracy could be mentally impaired. I think Cheney has a strong belief in authority and structure, and that informs every decision he makes. Money is a part of it because it buys him authority. Cheney’s basically your garden variety hard-liner, and the thing is his tenure just goes to show why it’s a bad idea to vote for hard liners: because their policies don’t work.

Not much has changed apparently, all the he predicted came true. In the 9 years they werent a able to come up with a plan to mitigate any of it? Perhaps they didn’t want to, in which case it is criminal, evinced by the fact that they rejected the plans layed out by professional soldiers for an imaginary micromanaged clusterfk based on pipe dreams, underestimation of the enemy, and an inability to recognize the real source of strife in the region.

Anything less than crimes against humanity charges for these fools would be denying justice to the poor people of Iraq, and a failure to prevent future transgressors, who happen to be the victims of the bushies desire to turn Iraq into the battlefield in a war on a ragtag bunch of criminals of their own making.

Right, I don’t like John Edwards because of things he’s actually done (politically and personally). I don’t dislike him simply because he’s a Democrat and I don’t hate the people who support him. The same cannot be said with commentors on RS as it pertains to the other side of the political spectrum. Also, I don’t hate the guy, as he is still working to serve the American people (although misguidedly in my opinion).

P.S. You and your buddies don’t really have any moral high-ground to stand on, by the way. And what league do you think you are in that’s so far above me?! You’re a whiny liberal on RS.com, spouting hateful rhetoric without the perspective to even do so much as back up your own claims with logic! This isn’t a “league” to be proud of and you’re damn right I’m not in it.

Kid,

You still haven’t said what a ‘fake douche’ is.

PS

We DO have the moral high ground. And that just pisses the hell out of you Cons.

he can’t even see a moral highground, couldn’t even understand the concept.

Jed,

Actually, my footing has been a little shaky lately. Maybe our position could use a little shoring up. Maybe some review:

They Bomb Civilians
We Pay Taxes
They Violate the Constitution
We Hold the door open for ladies
They Have sex with Pages
We Root, Root, Root for the home team.

Yep, we’ve still got the moral high ground.

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