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Edwards: “Giuliani is Bush on Steroids”

8/1/07, 6:35 pm EST

Just got back from an Edwards event in San Francisco. He threw out a lot of red meat — in particular savaging the big oil, drug, and insurance companies — and these deep blue Americans loved every minute of it.

Edwards is awesome on the stump. He knows how to work a crowd into a lather. Today’s event, in a hot, dark SoMa night club was packed to the gills, and you’d have thought it was Bono up on that stage. People were that into it.

The Frisco crowd especially reveled in — and clapped in time to — the Aquarius throwback “Hair” video.

But Edwards saved his biggest bomb for the mini presser afterward, where he responded to Giuliani’s jibe that he and Obama and Hillary, “do not understand a capitalistic economy.”

“What Giuliani is, is George Bush on steroids.” Edwards said. “Giuliani, Romney and the rest of the Republicans running for the nomination are going to give the country four more years of crony capitalism, which is exactly what we have now. We have insurance companies and drug companies and oil companies running this government. They need to be stopped. And Giuliani just wants to empower them.”

Them’s fightin’ words. Maybe Edwards sees the value in starting a ’spat’ of his own.


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yo | 2/22/2008, 2:26 pm EST

mooo!

Let Them Eat Cake | 9/14/2007, 4:45 am EST

Bush is Coulter with no Estrogen or Testosterone!

When either opens their mouth, the Ignorance permeates the air.

Roger Republican sure seems worried about Edwards…

So many hits, so little insight/so little information.

Does Bush have a twin sister? Ever see George or Ann at the same event?(George with a wig?)Same build, same fracture of reality.

Wonder how much Romney pays for his Do? A bit stiff!

Thompson/Giuliani must share the same stylist-buff and chrome it and comb-down what’s left-too bad wigs aren’t the norm for legislators and “royalty” - The Republican candidates all seem to come from the powdered-wig era.
Giuliani has a penchant for them…
They both have that
“I’m desperately trolling for teens” look.(When Giuliani isn’t standing on street corners looking for fresh blood to suck or exploiting 9/11).
McCain has white highlights added to his Do and goes for the “Snow White” look-better to attract the other seven political dwarfs, who march to Bush’s War Drum.

Bet ‘ya that all these dupes pay more than Edwards for their “look” and with lousy results-Edwards looks good.

Romney could be the new Ken doll.
(lackluster with a big hint of chameleon)and plastic.

Aren’t observations fun?

Dr. Ralph | 8/10/2007, 5:21 pm EST

Yeah, lets put hairdo Edwards in charge of the IRS and then elect Dr. Paul so he can surgically remove that cancerous tumor engulfing the American economy…

Trivia Whizzes For Edwards | 8/10/2007, 2:39 pm EST

Is there gonna be a test on all this in a few years when Edwards is a nobody again?

Like Edwards, I blame everything wrong in the world on Ann Coulter’s mean comments. Hopefully, if Edwards is elected, to anything, Al Qaeda and anyone who disagrees with him will refrain from saying mean things, too.

Mean things hurt John Edwards. Stop him dead in his tracks! This is why I say ….Edwards for IRS Commissioner.

DirtyDennis | 8/9/2007, 2:15 pm EST

Cake,

Well put, well said. Events (tragedies) take on ‘names,’ (9/11, Katrina) and in the process, something is lost. They become throw-away terms or, worse, bludgeons for one cloth or another. The magnitude of what took place in NYC in September, 2001 pales in comparison to what happened, and is happening still, in New Orleans.

Your words reflect a personal association. For most, myself included, it was/is something viewed on TV. Now, the lack of marketability shunts the city, its people and their plight into the wee hours of the night, if that. I hope you continue to express your views and feelings about New Orleans whenever you feel the urge.

On to Bush Bashing. Don’t forget the Christmas Tsunami. It was a week or so before this country got around to providing help. Long after others had already begun. I guess the mail was slow that week.

Klink,

You don’t REALLY think you can spout wacko drivel in these threads without someone pointing out the absurdity of your ‘thoughts,’ do you? Mostly I ignore the banal mutterings of bigoted morons, but YOU, you post and post and post, pummeling readers with your convoluted views of life and America. I’m concerned that young, impressionable minds might read some of your ‘thoughts’ and become confused or, worse, misguided. So, I take a moment now and again to try and bring a measure of balance. I’m sure my comments appear to you to be those of a lunatic.

I have a short attention span, so, unless you say something TOO absurd, I’ll let it pass. But before I do, please clarify: just what is this ‘American philosophy’ you obviously believe you adhere to but is contrary to mine?

klinik | 8/9/2007, 1:38 pm EST

..George Bush allowed no dissent.
…GWB made the GOP the only party.
…GWB dismantled all separations between the military, the government and the GOP.
…GWB took away all transparency.
…GWB instituted a policy of unlimited funding for his administration and the GOP with no oversight or approval needed.
…GWB jailed those that staged protests against him.
…GWB and the GOP confiscated property with no compensation.

Would there be a countrywide revolt? A World-wide revolt for that matter? These are a few of the things the Hugo Chavez government has done in Venezuela. (source)

Yet, Hollywood and the American left embrace him. Why? Are they so blinded by their manufactured Bush hatred that they will cling to anyone that opposes him?

“…Hollywood star Sean Penn applauded President Hugo Chavez on Thursday as the Venezuelan leader lambasted the Bush administration and demanded an end to war in Iraq.

Chavez met privately with Penn for two hours and praised him as “brave” for standing up to the White House and publicly calling for U.S. President George W. Bush to be impeached.

“In the name of the peoples of the world, President Bush, withdraw the troops from Iraq. Enough already with so much genocide,” Chavez said in an auditorium packed with his red-clad suppo

klinik | 8/9/2007, 9:24 am EST

DD- I had to go back to see what clarification you were talking about- Well I would say a man and a woman are doing sex. See, it is a man and a woman doing that act that can result in offspring. No other natural event leads to offspring (save a female bathing say, in used water, so to speak)… Semantics shemantics- you all latch on to a tiny momentary thing and act like by disputing a particle of time successfully you can de-justify people’s existences,when the general philosphy you espouse is one that is contrary to the overall American philosphy. Why not try simply fitting in, instead of the tear down you want to do?

klinik | 8/9/2007, 8:53 am EST

G’morning DD. Jed. You are right DD that I am not a threat to fellow Americans. I respect the rights of others as vehemently as I expect my rights to be respected. I do not wax hysterical that some folks have mroe than i do so we must take what is their private propert and ‘redistribute’ it (always with the distributors getting the lion’s share, the owners getting nothing and the pawns who did the actual stampede you mentioned getting very little). contrarianism, for its own sake produces nothing but anger and other wasted energies. I tried for common ground on any topic, you blew it off. Sad. But- to be sad fro too long about it would be that waste of energy. You go ahead and hate the world, and wonder why you are miserable.

DirtyDennis | 8/9/2007, 8:37 am EST

Jed,

He doesn’t bother me and you shouldn’t let him bother you. He’s harmless. The people you/we need to worry about are the ones who DON’T get on here and exhibit their, shall we say, shortcomings. Klink, and others like him, are no threat to this country. It’s the powerbrokers you have so deftly and ably spoken out against before. You stay after them, shine the light into the darkness of their nest. You let me parry with the likes of Klink. It’s fun and the more they rant and rave the more they reveal of themselves.

Their only ‘threat’ comes when they become herded up by the powerbrokers and stampeded, destroying anything and everything in their path.

So, Klink, you ‘forgot’ to put in your name. That’s interesting, inasmuch as RS remembers the last name you used. As a courtesy, I suppose. You also ‘forgot’ to provide the clarifications I asked of you. I know, I know; busy, busy, busy.

Jed Clampett | 8/9/2007, 8:18 am EST

See how I did that? I threw it a bone and it greedily devoured it with gusto and then spewed out it’s filth without even giving it a second tought, reading my previous post would have revealed I’m not like that. This person has totally out of it’s mind, willingly given up independance and self control and should be in a clinic because it’s a danger, not only to itself but to anyone who might antagonize it. It’s perfectly willing to nuke the middle east, encompasing all good and bad in it’s destructive endeavours, but mention going after the true source of our misery and it just goes berserk, this is because those corrupted among the elite work for it’s kind. Sad part is it’s more under their oppressive thumb than most of us.

Let Them Eat Cake | 8/9/2007, 1:11 am EST

“Klinik”

Please don’t give your limp/lame excuses/apologetics to try and get the Shame of Post -Katrina off Bush’s soiled hands…

It’s not going to happen.
It was a Federal Failure of a huge magnitude…

Stop with your Bush apologetics-they simply reek of falseness, insincerity and, they are a constant Reminder to Those Who Know Better, just how horrible Bush and his administration are.

Walk among the people of NO, observe the piles of rubble of the remains of peoples homes, their treasures turned to litter strewn everywhere.

The New Carpetbaggers buying up the land of people too poor, too devasted to make it back home to claim their domains(or what were their domains).

The quiet dignity and resignation that oozes from the faces/the expressions of Residents…

And the dimwits like you who falsely belittle the atrocities that the people who survived have endured.

Bush and his imbeciles Knew long before the hurricane hit, that it would be a Killer….(Video and tapes provided that Acknowledgement).

The Lazy, inexcusable protracted “Rescue” will go down in history as Failure…

Parties were going on, news conferences, trips to Greece, etc…

People watching the horrible disaster that Bush turned into a gigantic catastrophe by his ineptness, is lack of concern, his deplorable excuses for “appointees from Chertoff(the real criminal along with the B-administration, Brown)all helped to create a devastating loss of lives, homes, businesses…

Don’t Lightly Gloss Over the Republican politicians way of Redistricting a city…

Don’t offer up stupidly inane aims to blame the city officials or the state government(They were in the Mess)and certainly made many mistakes….

Unless you live under a rock(Maybe you do)the dishonor, the disgust, the abandonment that Every American Witnessed during the long ordeal is placed right on Mr. Bush…

A City Drowned, babies, children, the elderly, college students, families, parents Died…(The cowardice of the Bush administration will not Count the Missing or make it public-try ten thousand people, at least…

And shut up about circumstances you know Nothing About or the human demoralization and emotional depth it Brought to thousands and thousands of people who were Heart and Soul of New Orleans…

Stop your impotent and unconvincing Apologetics and grow a Heart and a mind that is not bogged down in Neo-Con Hype…It doesn’t work, anymore…

How dare you even attempt to demean the victims, by doing so, exemplify the Cowardice of Bush and his cronies by blaming everyone but the real Failure and Criminal-I give you Mr. G. W. Bush…

Jed Clampett | 8/9/2007, 12:38 am EST

Perhaps it’s time to break out the guillotines.
Might be worth it to take out the 1% in order to release that 80%+ of the wealth. They sure have considered us expendable for a long time, we should treat them with the same consideration.

Wait till you see ‘The Invasion’, think ‘what if that very thing was happening to humanity now, but in a more subtle, methodical, patient way?’

Dr. Ralph | 8/8/2007, 11:43 pm EST

What John Edwards is, is Hillary Clinton with a more expensive hairdo.

Jed Clampett | 8/8/2007, 10:32 pm EST

dennis, why do you even entertain him? He’s trying to raise your blood pressure and you are helping him. This is how these creatures work. Look at the similarities between the qaedas and the admin. You will notice they are very much alike. They are not diametrically opposed, as they would have you believe, but almost exactly the same. They both use imflaming language to motivate their respective lemmings, who only need to be activated to create mayhem, discord and polarization. They both abuse the words and wash away their true meaning, bushies made everyone ‘heroes’, UBL made murderers into martyrs. They are both totalitarian and undemocratic. They are willing to send their children to their deaths for their own selfish aims. What’s more interesting, their families are great friends and business partners. Hummm!!
To boot, our leaders have followed UBL’s plan to the letter. I really don’t think they are that incompetent.

We must realize quickly, our true enemy aims to destroy all life on this living rock, third from the sun. Must we help them do it?

klinik | 8/8/2007, 9:19 pm EST

can’t help it I forgot Lib: Um, you do not have the authority to “go around forcing” laws upon folks…. It is nice of course, that you said you don’t…but you need to keep in mind how our government works.. OK Now I go for the evening. have a good one.

klinik | 8/8/2007, 9:17 pm EST

oops again: to finish the sentence: OR the lawmakers pull if from the books….
Later. Like, tomorrow. Peace people.

DirtyDennis | 8/8/2007, 7:06 pm EST

Klink,

That’s interesting. I ‘thought’ I was talking to Anonymous. It would seem that YOU and he are one in the same. That’s okay, I’ve used other monikers myself. But you should try to develop the discipline to respond in your originally posted ‘voice.’ Otherwise, what’s the point?

I feel somewhat better learning this. For a time I feared the lunacy level was multiplying and that I’d have to go on sick leave again. Now I realize it’s only you trying to make it look like there are more of you. I can probably stomach just one of you.

By the way, your shrink’s a fraud if he accepts money from you. He should be paying you to talk to him. And tell him, too, you want fifty percent of the royalties of any book he does on you. You deserve it.

If you’ll look closely at my comments, I believe you’ll see I was responding to yours, unknowingly, of course. I apologize if I offended you with the pig comment. I was going to use a sheep, but felt I may be getting too personal.

Naturally, I referenced ‘SEX’ in the dictionary before I ever made my comments, and tactfully demurred from pointing out that there are a LOT of reference works that would take exception to your confined usage of the term. I figured you for sure could produce some obscure text to support your position.

But you confound both me and the issue when you use the term ‘sex addict.’ Given your original definition of SEX, which I now understand to be intercourse ONLY between a human male and human female for the purpose of procreation, I have trouble envisioning them being addicted. Addicted to what? Children? Or intercourse for the purpose of production children? Please clarify for me.

And if I’ve troubled you for that clarification, I’m sure you won’t mind if I ask you to tack on yet another clarification. Using your words, intercourse, which is what I believe you’re referencing, “…between a man with vasectomy and a woman, it is not strictly by the definiton, sex. it is lovemaking.” You seem to be saying that lovemaking is not sex. Given that, it’s fair to assume you, therefore, believe that sex is not lovemaking? Please clarify both positions for me.

DirtyDennis | 8/8/2007, 2:18 pm EST

Wow,

Two thousand years of ‘evolution’ has brought us here. Who would have thought? According to ‘anonymous,’ sex is something that happens only between a male and a female and only to procreate. Interesting. This assertion opens up a fascinating array of considerations. Judging from the erudite presentation offered by A’mous, we should probably deduce that sex between a male human and, say, a female pig, is NOT sex, even if the man is hoping for progeny. However, we can’t rule it out. We CAN rule out sex a male pig and a female human ‘cause we’re confident the pig has no desire for offspring.

We can also rule out sex as being intercourse between a husband and wife after he has had a vasectomy, regardless of any intention on either part. But I’m confused about incest. I suppose if a man wanted to father a child out of his daughter, that would be sex, at least according to A’mous. But if he didn’t want to father a child, what would it be?

Another aspect to this whole business, conveniently unsaid but I guess must be assumed, given A’mous’ delivery, is that BOTH male and female must ‘want’ offspring else it isn’t sex. I can say with some confidence that my parents had SEX when I was conceived, it being shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Sadly, I can’t vouch for all the circumstances producing my siblings. Tough luck for them although in fairness, I should alert them that they were born in sin. The better to prepare themselves.

Oh lord, a couple more posts like this and I’ll be forced to take sick leave again.

klinik | 8/8/2007, 9:42 am EST

Hello Let Them Eat Cake: the ineptitudes in new orleans first manifested in the failure of the state and local government BEFORE the storm hit, and immediately after the storm hit. Beginning with when the federal government was finally asked, yes then the federal government also showed ineptitude. BUT: if the ineptitude of say, failing to evacuate had not happened, the others in domino fashion would not have. You and everyone, need to remember: Katrina came ashore as a weak 3, and missed new orleans.
Had she still been a category 5, and HIT new orelans, well then NONE of the non-evacuated people would have come through it. Can you think that through a minute? The failure was NOT GETTING PEOPLE OUT IN ADVANCE.

Jed Clampett | 8/8/2007, 9:09 am EST

oh man, priceless.

Kind of like pulling out a crucifix at a vampires convention huh? :D

See how those on the dark side react to a little bit of light?
Shown their own reflection they thrash about grasping at straws. If you have such an inclination, start getting closer to nature. Learn what is really important and start developing your natural abilities. They will be needed soon. Do you think 2/3 have been afflicted yet? or is it more?

klinik | 8/8/2007, 12:13 am EST

Jed for such a bleeding genius, you sure do not seem to have invented renewable energy. or ways to deliver it to folks, and ways to harvest it from all over the globe in places safe and deadly. Your little spew aout ambition had airs of inellect, but ambition is (you recall IS, eh?) an eager and sometimes inordinate desire after honor,power fame,or whatever confers distinction,desire to distinguish one’s self among others…
HA sort of like stealing monikers and being smarmy in the guise…. hey, are you deec? Abort many children have you? Marxist crap has no place in american politics. You will see. Every place it has been implemented, deaths of innocents result. Not here.
When is your next meeting of molotov makers international- you anarchist crowds, and where will it be? Come on, show a little nerve and post it.

Jed Clampett | 8/8/2007, 12:01 am EST

I really don’t think braindeadness is particular to Conservatives, christians, foreigners, liberals or any other particular label. ALL groups are well represented. Any one of us could be, including me or you. But if you can tap into the soul, you a brain just tends to get in the way.

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofcum! | 8/7/2007, 5:41 pm EST

Of course if your born to a conservative christian, you get your brains sucked out anyway!

DirtyDennis | 8/7/2007, 12:04 pm EST

Jed, methinks I’d rather be born in Dafur than kin to this bozo.

klinik | 8/7/2007, 9:43 am EST

Can you imagine being 97% born to a liberal murder pig mom, and she has them suck your brains out for her convenience?

klinik | 8/7/2007, 9:43 am EST

Can you imagine being 97% born to a liberal murder pig mom, and she has tehm suck your brains out for her convenience?

Jed Clampett | 8/5/2007, 10:10 pm EST

you have no idea just how lucky. Would hate to pop up in Darfur or almost anywhere in africa. Can you imagine a baby being born in baghdad right now? I wonder if that could be qualified as having to live in hell for a lifetime.

DirtyDennis | 8/5/2007, 5:09 pm EST

True, true. I may, as part of the cloak of liberalism, be critical of this country, but that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize it’s the best place on earth. We must never take it for granted. I thank God and/or my lucky stars I popped out here and not … almost anywhere else.

Jed Clampett | 8/5/2007, 2:04 pm EST

na, that’s just a little healthy desire. That’s one of the things I love about this country. There’s such a variety of cultures represented, all with their own culinary differences. From falafels to tacos, the food is awesome. Not to mention the gorgeous women that are product of this intermingling of cultures.

DirtyDennis | 8/5/2007, 1:37 pm EST

Well put Jed. I overlooked greed in the equation. Perhaps because greed is unknown to me whilst fear, I know. I was going to confess ‘greed’ when it comes to good Mexican food, then mentioned lust and I realized that was what I felt.

Ralph is an idiot | 8/5/2007, 12:36 pm EST

Ralphie -

Like to see your face when Hillary and Edwards wind up as pres and vice pres. Bet that smug little smile will turn to a frown

scorpian | 8/5/2007, 12:30 pm EST

Real mature “Dr.” Ralph. And adds so much to the debate.

Dr. Ralph | 8/5/2007, 11:37 am EST

What Edwards is, is Hillary Clinton without balls. Pot and Wild Turkey? Hell yeah Wildman now we’re getting somewhere…

DirtyDennis | 8/5/2007, 10:20 am EST

Jed,

I think this reliance upon tradition that ‘LIF’ refers to comes mostly from fear. Let’s face it, we’re all afraid of something, or some many things. And most of us have shared fears. It’s how we deal with those fears and manifest our dealings that defines us.

The common denominator in most fears is the unknown. It’s when you press on into the ‘unknown’ unknown, commonly referred to as change, that you open new vistas of fear. This is especially so in social change.

When the structure of a society faces change, there’s a fear among many that the change will be dynamic and unstoppable. And even if the change is managed, there will always be some who don’t like it. Just as there were some who didn’t like the social structure BEFORE the change. This is where your comment about selfish resonates.

As individuals, we want, expect, and deserve certain rights. These rights are generalized in the Declaration and itemized, to a certain extent, in the Constitution. But the issue gets cloudy when the rights of one infringe on the rights of another. Then, they are no longer rights. You may have the ‘right’ to spray round-up on the crabgrass in your yard, but what if the wind blows your round-up on my tomatoes? Does not my right to healthy, clean tomatoes negate yours to killing crabgrass? Are you selfish if you insist on continuing to spray or am I in preventing you?

This issue is fundamental to the existence of society. To take an expression probably traceable to the founding of the country, it all depends on whose ox gets gored.

That doesn’t explain, however, someone being upset, for example, about homosexual relations being accepted or, worse, legal. How can that possibly be a threat to others? I suppose if your fears are that this ‘change’ will be dynamic and unstoppable, then it’s follows that the social structure will collapse as a result. That doesn’t bespeak much confidence in our fellow man, besides, history would seem to indicate that such has not and will not, likely, happen.

Fear, in this case, triumphs over logic. Or IS it, as you said, selfish?

Jed Clampett | 8/5/2007, 4:28 am EST

comes from selfishness

DELTAWILDMAN | 8/5/2007, 12:18 am EST

JED, FRANK, AND WHO EVER ELSE..

I’M NOT TRYING TO BUTT HEADS WITH YA,,
GOOD GOD,, I LOVE A GOOD DEBATE,,
AND IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN,, WE’RE ALL AMERICANS,,
SO IF I TRY AND HURT YOU,, I’M HURTING ME..
IF I TRY AND MAKE YOU LOOK BAD,, WELL WHO AM I MAKING LOOK BAD??
WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER,,,
I SMOKE POT,, YOU SMOKE CIGARETTES.
I DRINK WILD TURKEY..
YOU DRINK WHITE WINE..
I SEE THINGS IN THIS WAY,, YOU SEE THINGS IN THAT WAYS..
BUT,, WE ARE AMERICANS,, AND YOU AND ME,, WELL, WE ARE ONE IN THE SAME,, NO MATTER HOW DIFF WE MIGHT THINK WE ARE.. WE ARE ONE OF THE OTHER

SO LET’S MAKE A FOOL OUT OF ME..
I DARE YOU!

DELTAWILDMAN | 8/5/2007, 12:10 am EST

FRANK

HILLARY CLINTON WILL WIN THE WHITE HOUSE,, AS LONG AS THE REPUBLICANS RUN DAVID DUKE AGAINST HER..
IF THEY RUN RUDY OR NEWT OR FRED,, SHE GOT ABOUT AS MUCH OF A CHANCE OF A WHORE WINNING THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION..
NOW I’M NOT SAYING THAT CAN’T HAPPEN..
BUT YOU KNOW THE ODDS

Hoha | 8/4/2007, 6:42 pm EST

Aloha, don’t you know anything - repubs are just more interested in hacking voting machines, not learning about MAC addresses.

Aloha | 8/4/2007, 6:40 pm EST

frank
Understand it now? If the quasi-unique identifier for the computer you are sending from is the same as the quasi-unique identifier some other name is sending from, the the odds are very high that its you, just trading names, or that you post, get up and the other person sits down at that computer and posts.

Aloha | 8/4/2007, 6:13 pm EST

In computer networking a Media Access Control address (MAC address) or Ethernet Hardware Address (EHA) or hardware address or adapter address is a quasi-unique identifier attached to most network adapters (NICs). It is a number that acts like a name for a particular network adapter, so, for example, the network cards (or built-in network adapters) in two different computers will have different names, or MAC addresses, as would an Ethernet adapter and a wireless adapter in the same computer, and as would multiple network cards in a router. However, it is possible to change the MAC address on most of today’s hardware.

realist | 8/4/2007, 6:06 pm EST

Dale:
I agree that Ron Paul is the best R candidate. However, looks like it will be Romney.

Talk about whack-a-doodle. This guy’s religious belief (Mormon) is founded on the premise that a rock in a hat translated some golden plates from which he wrote the book of Mormon. (I kid you not - look it up….) Just what we need after bush, the functional equivalent of a scientologist running the show.

Jed Clampett | 8/4/2007, 6:03 pm EST

“I was confused about your mac comment when I am on a dell notebook” oh lord that’s hillarious, this creature is priceless!! :D

frank | 8/4/2007, 5:56 pm EST

Aloha- I figured it out- I was confused about your mac comment when I am on a dell notebook… I am connected on a university wireless system- so you hacked that maybe? Or were you talking off the top of your head? I am unskilled with these things. I have heard that hacking is illegal and an invasion of privacy though… OK REALLY this time I go.
sorry i even found the link to your little stoner page. I hope the terrorists do not smuggle a nuke in the way the liberals told them they could… Or get bold since the liberals made them think we are “viet nam syndrom revisited”

frank | 8/4/2007, 5:41 pm EST

Jed, it could be you know that of benevolence a person tries to get you thinking about the consequences of your actions so you stop aiding the enemy in time of war- but some lik eyou will be what you are no matter what. i am a former liberal. Have your druggo magazine and your druggo thoughts. I am too busy to bother with you any more. Aloha, i am lost at what you are talking about. Oh well. Peace, through victory.

Jed Clampett | 8/4/2007, 4:08 pm EST

Aloha, it’s even worse than that,
It’s an over exercised ego taking advantage of a weak mind.
It loves to hear itself talk, even if all that comes out is filth and venom.
Under it’s master’s will and unable to control itself, the reptile strikes against anything and everything, not even its family is safe around such a tortured creature.
Unable to see any logic or goodness within itself it is also unable to see those qualities without.
As you realize what it is and how it affects you, you should do the only logical thing, ignore it and don’t satisfy it’s desire for attention; it will thrash about wildly demanding your attention, it will change it’s moniker and writing style but unable to change it’s mental condition the vitriolic sounds the same.
It’s difficult to work against such a being, but you have to recognize what it is you’re dealing with before haphazardly going after it.
It will keep on over expressing itself and trying to drown out the other voices, but eventually a benevolent mediator eliminates it’s influence.

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:55 pm EST

I GET IT (I came back to see what else the criminal put in my name) aloha is ted the one who takes other’s names- he is the webmaster,right? How else can he impersonate people?

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:43 pm EST

Well, I will sign off. Just remember, when the liberals hit the fan, they splatter.

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:41 pm EST

for instance, aloha, my mom is dead from her cigarette habit. Long miserable slow-motion suffocation it was. I would never had said that about her,what that evil person just said.

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:41 pm EST

for instance, aloha, my mom us dead from her cigarette habit. Long miserable slow-motion suffocation it was. I would never had said that about her,what that evil person just said.

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:36 pm EST

Hello Folks. There is a deranged person who likes to use other folks’ names and make ridiculous posts… he had been ted yesterday. if that name was his even… I do not know the name of that pathology. But, My real frank posts are conseervative. Like RR i do not attack fellow republicans publicly… I would argue them in private though. Real republicans respsct the rights of others. Dems like this imposter twerp, are criminals. And that is why we republicans are upset with them..

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:36 pm EST

Hello Folks. There is a deranged person who likes to use other folks’ names and make ridiculous posts… he had been ted yesterday. if that name was his even… I do not know the name of that pathology. But, My real frank posts are conseervative. Like RR i do not attack fellow republicans publicly… I would argue them in private though. Real republicans respsct the rights of others. Dems like this imposter twerp, are criminals. And that is why we republicans are upset with them..

Aloha | 8/4/2007, 3:35 pm EST

I think these characters like frank are just getting bored, and playing the victim to get attention. I’ve ID’d the IP address, and his MAC info, and these messages are coming from the same place.

Guess we now know who the “victim” culture really is.

Terrioriststalker | 8/4/2007, 3:33 pm EST

Geez, frank. Watch your language, would you?

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:32 pm EST

My mother used to be a prostitute. She got a demotion. Now she’s just a republican lobbyist for a drug company.

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:29 pm EST

Yeah, Deltawildman, John McCain is really kickin’ ass. Not that he has any funding, or that he can make up his mind about immigration or anything. But hey, those are facts, and we can’t pay any attention to those.

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:26 pm EST

I dreamed I got to lick Rush Limbaugh’s ball sack last night. It made me hot.

frank | 8/4/2007, 3:20 pm EST

Hey Jed. like the great C said: where ever you go, there you are. The conservatives have taken the zen approach to the libs for DECADES. We figured well, they will get it one day. Oh thye will lear. Oh they are just young anf rebelious- we had no idea just how much of an infiltration you liberals had perfromed… the media, the colleges (commy manifesto: get hold of education, you get the country without firing a shot) See, the conservatives are trying to preserve what made this country great, you all attack, and tear down, and help the enemy, then have the unmitigated audacity to say wow the enemy is among us. YOU are the enemy. If that bothers you, CHANGE YOURSELF- for if you do not, where ever you go, there you are.

DELTAWILDMAN | 8/4/2007, 3:15 pm EST

JED

LEECHES ALSO WORK,,
YEP, THERE’S NOTHING THAT MAKES A PERSON FEEL AS GOOD AS A GOOD “BLOOD LETTING “, UNLESS IT’S A PURGING..

YES, THE WONDERS OF MODERN MEDICINE..

JOHN EDWARDS HAS GOT ABOUT AS MUCH BUSINESS TALKING ABOUT RUDY, AS JOHN KERRY DOES TALKING ABOUT CRIS ROCKS SENCE OF HUMOR..

Jed Clampett | 8/4/2007, 2:26 pm EST

Sad to hear that it caused you ill health, tends to irritate me as well sometimes, that’s why I like the ancient philosphies so much. You’d be surpriced at the effectiveness of a little meditation to reduce BP. It teaches you to put your mind in control of your emotions rather than the inverse. Sometimes it builds up so much that it’s difficult to reduce, unfortunately it feeds on itself and grows, breaking the second law of energy. So acting against it is of great importance, however it must be done without antagonism, as that is what feeds it.

Be aware, regardless of whatever disdain or blind following of religion a person might have, the ancients did not write their theories and beliefs merely to entertain or ‘regulate’. The ones that have warned of detrimental influences did so at great peril of ridicule and persecution. We have to realize, the enemy is among us, and making itself more evident all the time, we must be able to recognize it even within ourselves.

Unfortunately, he GREED exhibited by our economic, political and media leaders have taken us to the edge of the precipice and it is required that we take notice and decide now whether to follow them over the edge or try to make a drastic turn that just might save us. And by us I mean the biosphere.

frank | 8/4/2007, 1:17 pm EST

Dirty Dennis: you mis-interpreted as well as not took into account all I said. I also said I do NOT want it to happen- but you all continue to beg for it. Overtaxing u sso you can give it away to the world and to invaders and the lazy is NOT what we pay taxes for. Like the way schumer said on 9/12/01: this shows we need more gun control (19 foreigners with knives killed 3,000 Americans now therefore we need to disarm the Americans) well, it is getting irksome- stop attacking those who are not the problem. You accuse us of going out of our way to do crap to you,whennothing has been done to you- we, like a scared and angry rattlesnake are rattiling. And so then you attack the rattlling. WInd the spring tighter pal….

DirtyDennis | 8/4/2007, 12:57 pm EST

Jed,

I had to leave for health reasons. I was getting sick reading the crap spewed by those goose-stepping boys on the right. And it looks like you were right about a new McVeigh. We have one right here in our own midst.

For all you Cons who get upset because of Liberals referencing Fascism, please take the time to read young Frank’s posts. According to Frank, I’m wrong: there is NO room in this country for the likes of us. And he aims to rid the country of us. I’m just not so sure who ‘us’ is but he seems pretty sure who ‘they’ are. He seems to think some 80 million gun owners are on his side. Probably that’s the membership of the NRA. Well, I’m a gun owner who is NOT on his side. That still leaves about 220 million non gun owners (using his math).

As I recall, Germany was taken over by a few Fascists. Apparently Frank read his history and is planning the same.

Jed Clampett | 8/4/2007, 12:42 pm EST

You somewhat describe the problem people are having with the current administration, which through it’s secrecy and obfuscation has demonstrated that it is the diametrical opposite of the ideals they purport to embrace, the scary part is that it’s apparent that the religious aspect is the strongest deviance of those.

The type of language that is used also goes a long way towards raising or lowering the level of tensions. We, as humans, must learn to recognize when our actions are worsening the situation or improving it.
If we truly are hoping to avoid civil war, then we should avoid confrontational language and truly analyze the situation objectively and critically, even of ourselves. The stakes are way to high to warrant anything less.

frank | 8/4/2007, 11:37 am EST

Perils of the laptop: some keys you think you hit, you did not, and some keys you thougth hit in sequence did not, becaus of the bouncing keyboard… Sorry for the typo’s.
But look jed what I just said with brevity applied: If folks do not beg for a civil war, maybe they will not get it. If folks BEG for a civil war, maybe they will…. I do not want one. That would really embolden our enemies…. How about this: if the liberals stop doing all the things that have made the Americans want them DEAD, mayb e we can grow to forgive you. But you need to quit sending twits to office like mr chappaquiddick, pelosi,biden schumer,clinton- you know all the powertrippers who are dstroying the country.

frank | 8/4/2007, 11:25 am EST

jed, it is the libs. We who are being attacked are getting angry. GOT angry, excuse me.

Jed Clampett | 8/4/2007, 11:17 am EST

“ALL enemies” real and perceived, whether our perception is based on reality or not, until even our neighbor and brother seems like the enemy. Then you will have the spread of Terrorism rather than the natural spread of democracy.
You only need to see what is going on between the different arab factions to understand what will happen here if you maintain this insane political bickering.

frank | 8/4/2007, 11:10 am EST

word- I just noticed the part I missed- about the ad hominim attacks and you saying what will we be like in a fight…. Well, I think while you are fleeing and being slaughtered, we will be firing until our barrels melt. At ALL of our enemies, by the way.

frank | 8/4/2007, 9:55 am EST

Word: well we have here a disagreement. The state and the feds could “call up the militia” as no federal standing army was allowed. In event of attack- then conditions warranted what went down from there- but, who controls the ACTIVATED militia is not at issue in #2. Who is the Militia sir? it is the people.
The finest most modern military arms are what are called for inbasic logic, and in the various state requirements — but who cares.
I feel better trusting 80 milion americans with a themonuclear device each than I do with one traitor with a vote in congress. You liberals probably wanted to believe mike belesiles (sp) when he tied his hatchet job on hte truth of our history. Wah-wah. If you failed in your duty to equip that is not an excuse for others to do the same….you should stop trying to weaken the fabric of our society by the disinformation campaign.
The fact is it is a nasty world out there. We can and have come under attack. It will not ever ba a normandy invasion thing- as intel would inform (unless the dems continue to screw intel)- but it need not be with the millions on millions coming across the borders now…. Ouch, scary. But back to regulated a minute. Would the book of rules and regulations REALLY have meant RULES AND RULES?? wake up: rules and equipment. Regulation boots, regulation gloves, musket…. And they did not think of the future with idiots trying to weaken their own country by saying no the 2nd was meant to reamin in the then present state of technology because they were scared little chicken droppings and guns were mean and nasty…. instead of just tools.

DirtyDennis | 8/3/2007, 8:11 pm EST

Good Stuff Jed. Went below the radar and over most heads.

biblical constitution! wheee | 8/3/2007, 7:24 pm EST

You know the country is spiraling the drain when people quote fictional religious books as a means to justify moral actions.

bill of what? | 8/3/2007, 7:19 pm EST

“its only a piece of paper!”

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Seriously though, the constitution and its bill of rights is already by and large subverted. Instead of restoring power to the people though, the major powers have pitted us on two opposing sides of a game of musical chairs between political groups that don’t actually behave much differently. We are fighting over which side of the same turd to lick, and it has helped maintain the status quo well.

Word | 8/3/2007, 7:11 pm EST

Schmuck,

You got one thing right: I don’t give a rat’s ass about Jose Padilla. But I’m not bringing him up to score cheap political points. I’m bringing him up because setting the precedent of denying U.S. citizens habeus corpus is simply unacceptable in this country.

“Here is Bush, doing what he can to protect the people of this country, and all people like you do is btch, moan, whine, concoct phony grievances and fight him every step of the way”

Doing everything he can? How? By saying he’s “not worried” about Osama bin Laden? By hiring warlords who let him go at Tora Bora instead of sending in Special Ops and the military like he should have? By launching a completely idiotic and unnecessary war in Iraq that has depleted the army, acted as a recruiting tool for terrorists, destabilized the region, and redirected our efforts away from the guy responsible for September 11? And the fact that according to the intelligence community, we’re less safe than we were before 911 is not a “phony grievance.”

“But this “enemy,” whose rights you are so worried about, does not wear a uniform, is not a signatory to the Geneva Conventions and does not — and SHOULD not — enjoy the same constitutional protections a US citizen has.”

I never said foreigners should enjoy the same constitutional protections a US citizen has, but if you’re a U.S. citizen and some dimwitted president decides to label you a “terrorist” or ENEMY for some reason or other (say for being a conservative), that shouldn’t deny you constitutional protections. The main problem is that terrorism is a law enforcement issue (in the case of Osama, we should have declared war on Afghanistan for aiding and abetting Al Qaeda and not declared a “war on terror.” All the war on terror does is create an entirely new arena of law where Cheney can play out his unitary executive fetish.) Also, the U.S. in the past has made it a point to grant POWs from non Geneva signature nations Geneva protections anyway, if for no other reason than we didn’t want our own troops tortured (which if you‘re for the troops is a damn good reason).

“It’s not conservatives who want to use race and skin color in hiring and admissions (how does that square with the equal protection clause?).”

Of course conservatives use race and skin color in hiring and admissions. And sex too. Liberals do as well. If no one used race that way the black population would make as much as the white population and women would make as much as men. As it stands now black men make 75% what white men make. The equal protection clause itself was a reaction to newly defeated southern states imposing “black codes” on African Americans in order to deprive them of rights. Brown V. Board of Education continued the trend by finding “separate but equal” to be unconstitutional (which the Roberts court-may he continue having seizures-basically just overturned). The goal, as with all law, is to counter the baser instincts of humanity. Racism is a base instinct as is rape, blood feuds, etc…

And abortion. First of all you’re right that the Constitution says nothing about abortion. It also says nothing about tank tops yet they’re acceptable. It says nothing about having sex doggie style yet that’s still acceptable. In matters like this conservatives -acting in accordance with the definition of the term “conservative”- look to their traditional moral values on how to act, specifically the bible. The bible, interestingly enough has a few things to say about abortion. First, according to Hebrew law a fetus is not equal to human life:

Exodus 21: 22-25: And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Second, there is a body of Soloman quotes where the king specifically wishes he had been aborted. (that is… the man whom God entrusted the greatest knowledge to specifically advocates abortion and suicide). There is nothing in the bible outlawing abortion and since the bible doesn’t define a fetus as a life, “thou shall not kill” doesn’t apply. So conservatives should embrace abortion.

ACLU Member | 8/3/2007, 6:41 pm EST

Chucky,
You are a total blithering idiot. The ACLU never has, and never will support sex between an adult and a minor. Where do you folks come up with this stupidity. Go to the ACLU website and look around if you want to see what the ACLU is about. It is childish to spout out unsupported blither as you have done.

The ACLU is about the only one who will be there for you when your Bill of Rights are being taken away.

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Word | 8/3/2007, 4:52 pm EST

If anyone wants to know why we’re doing what we’re doing in the Middle East, wikipedia “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.”

All the answers are there.

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 4:29 pm EST

CH Lee at least one conservative know what a joke is -sorry the rest of your arguments does not hold much water –

I see you have a good thesis – you support a President that allowed during his watch the biggest failure of American security, even after all the warnings. I know he was not much of a president then as he was only in office for 9 months. Instead of killing and stopping Al Qaeda our president has turned them worldwide hate movement. We were attack by Al Qaeda who most members were from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia so he did the most logical thing, which was to invade Iraq. Trying to win the hearts and mind of the world by invading a country, killing 600,000 of it people – when we are at it lets torture them and turn a secular country into Iranastan now - that a good plan – and we should let you people help chose the next president

Every reasonable person knows there was an operation from the Vice President office to discredit Joe Wilson which included leaking the name of his wife –I guess that ok with you – we don’t need covert agents investigating WMD –
Who side is you on – this sound like it treason when we are at a time of war

the Sudan story has been refuted - you have to turn off Fox and new max off

Where’s Usama? That’s a question that Democrats and/or the anti-war crowd should be embarrassed to ask. People in glass houses]

Where Osama this must be a conservative joke – Not funny –
when Bush (which most of you nutcases voted for) decided to invade a country which had nothing to do with 911 and put most the operation into Iraq he let Osama ride out of Tora Bora – ask a real American hero Pat Tillman who was going to the media about Americans’ the lack of commitment to catch Osama- - no you can’t do that – he was murder before he had a chance to speak

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 3:32 pm EST

Schmucky
Well, it didn’t take long. Every argument with a conswervative always ends up with the con having no good point to make, then thinking pulling out the “Clinton card” will magically transform a stupid, unsupportable argument into a winner. Sorry, it doesn’t.

Let me explain the firing thing really slow so you will get it. Its the difference between firing a woman for no reason at all (i.e. just didn’t need her, or you have another employee you think would do a better job), as compared to firing her because she will not have sex with you, lie under oath for you, because she’s a minority, or some other reason. But in the yes/no simpleton worlds of the con, none of this makes sense because it requires analysis.

I tire of this exchange and must take my leave. Good luck with the “W” thing, hope the next 18 months work out well for you and your boys.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/3/2007, 3:16 pm EST

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 2:49 pm EST

Schmucky
Right to be secure in papers, etc. (illegal search and seizure), separation of powers (signing statements, “unitary” executive, U.S. Attorney firings), habeas corpus. The list goes on.

LOL. EXACTLY what I expected — a bunch of generalities with no specific evidence or examples to back any of them up.

Because there ARE no specific examples, as you have aptly demonstrated.

The only “specific” you could even come close to offering is the firing of nine US attorneys, which Bush has every right to do, for any reason. (And which, by the way, Clinton did to all 93 US attorneys, some of whom were investigating him in the Whitewater affair.)

So, thanks for helping make my point.

frank | 8/3/2007, 3:04 pm EST

Brainiac with the obscene name: read what I just wrote..see, when you do something that helps your country’s enemies, you are committing treason. It is a mere definition,like IS IS, you garbage.

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 2:49 pm EST

Schmucky
Right to be secure in papers, etc. (illegal search and seizure), separation of powers (signing statements, “unitary” executive, U.S. Attorney firings), habeas corpus. The list goes on.

CH Lee | 8/3/2007, 2:08 pm EST

Farmer Ken – Your raging cartoon-like portrayal of conservatives is inaccurate and reflects your inability to mount a respectable argument. It also shows that when you fail to advance a solid thesis on foreign policy, you have to resort to cheap shots and innuendo on various unrelated topics.

Farmer Ken wrote: “I seem to remember after the first bombing of the World Trade Center – all the evil-doers are in jail.”

My reply: all the evil doers?

I am glad that you raised that issue. Was this supposed to illustrate President Clinton’s progress in the War On Terror?

First, naturally the “expendable assets” in that operation were immediately caught.

Second, Ramzi Youssef was caught because the Philippine security forces were willing to torture the operatives caught after the failure of Operation Bojinka. Tortured operatives provided info that allowed the US and Pakistan to arrest Youssef. What was reportedly most disconcerting to the Philippine security forces was the lack of follow-up, by the Clinton Administration, on various other aspects of al Qaeda’s operations – after the failure of Operation Bojinka. Still, it was nice that the Clinton administration caught Ramzi Youssef.

Third, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was caught by the current Bush administration.

Fourth, despite several offers from the government of the Sudan, the Clinton Administration refused to take custody of Usama bin Laden. Apparently, there is footage take from Predator surveillance cameras from dates as late as November-December 2000 of Usama bin Laden walking about at remote locations. One can only assume that the Clinton Administration/Democratic policy was striking far into his heart as UBL pranced about in the fields of Afghanistan.

Where’s Usama? That’s a question that Democrats and/or the anti-war crowd should be embarrassed to ask. People in glass houses . . .

On another subject, since you and other seem to want to try to resurrect the issue of Valerie Plame: Richard Armitage, a gentleman who has served on both sides of the aisle, was the source of the leak. Numerous people seem to think by continuing to raise this subject, and omitting the role of Mr. Armitage, that they can tarnish the current administration on this issue.

Also, Valerie Plame was not a Non-diplomatic Cover Operative by any stretch of the imagination. Numerous reports seem to indicate that it was well-known, in DC, that she worked for the CIA.

It’s interesting to note that the only time the anti-war crowd rushes to the defense of the CIA is when it involves a situation that could cause discomfort to a President that they dislike. If the anti-war crowd had it’s way, we wouldn’t have a CIA.

In closing, I’d like to say I would like to see these problems resolved – regardless of the party that succeeds in that venture. My earlier posts have been inexplicably removed from this thread – despite that fact that they have been on topic. I guess that this website’s policy of silencing conservatives who mount a well-formed thesis. I can only assume that my comments about John Edwards, and the reporter who covered this event, were too close to the mark.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/3/2007, 2:06 pm EST

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 1:45 pm EST

Well chucky, you’re holding yourself out as one. Interesting how you and your ilk cling to the second amendment (which I, BTW, am a strong supporter of) while ignoring the others.

Which Amendment am I “ignoring?” The one requiring redistribution of income? The one providing a right to abortion? The one requiring equal outcomes?

This president has attempted to destroy the constitution

The left loves to make this claim, but is NEVER capable of backing it up. Provide some specific examples of his “destruction” of the Constitution. And before you go rushing to defend the poor, picked on terror suspects forced to listen to the Red Hot Chili Peppers and wear underwear on their heads, remember, Gitmo is hardly FDR’s internment of the Japanese.

So, please, give me specific examples of Bush’s “destruction” of the Constitution.

envasion 2.0 | 8/3/2007, 2:02 pm EST

I liked it better when we had all the libertarians commenting. It was amazing how civil, thoughtful and well spoken the comments were.

But then again, I am biased. I’ve agreed with libertarian ideals long before I knew the word itself.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/3/2007, 1:53 pm EST

Ted | 8/3/2007, 12:24 pm EST
Can you imagine the outcry if the Clinton administration had outed Valerie Plame?

I must’ve missed something–has anybody been convicted of such a crime? In fact, has anybody even been charged with that crime?

On the other hand, can you imagine the outcry and feeding frenzy if George W. Bush were accused of merely rubbing up against a woman thirty years ago (nevermind credible allegations of sexual assault, and even rape, by numerous women).

I have a theory. Apparently most of these hard righties were sports fans (football, nascar, etc.) before the started listening to Rush L. Suddenly, they became amateur politicos. Unfortunately, the failed to realize the contry’s politics, and governance is not some race or football game. So, they pick a side, and no matter what inconvenient facts are presented, continue to cheer for their “team.” Even when its an inept, losing team like Team Bush and Cheney. To use a sports metaphor so the righties can understand, its akin to taking the superbowl champions to the local high school, and getting your ass kicked by the jr. varsity team.

Wow, what an ingenious theory.

My team is the Constitution. I trust yours is an all-powerful federal government making everyday decisions for all the citizens of this country?

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 1:52 pm EST

Chucky Schmucky all I hear is whining the typical conservative response I am a victim mantra, nothing new boring –

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 1:45 pm EST

Well chucky, you’re holding yourself out as one. Interesting how you and your ilk cling to the second amendment (which I, BTW, am a strong supporter of) while ignoring the others. This president has attempted to destroy the constitution, yet all it takes to get you guys to cheer him on is the use of the word “terriorist” 20 times a paragraph in speeches, and you all goose-step into line like good little sheep.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/3/2007, 1:38 pm EST

Ted | 8/3/2007, 12:46 pm EST

chucky -
its apparent you’re no constitutional scholar.

Wow — checkmate. How will I recover from that brilliant argument?

LMAO.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/3/2007, 1:32 pm EST

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 1:01 pm EST

I may not be the best speller – and you may write pretty But your simple mind and regurgitation of noise is boring.

Forget the spelling — it’s your understanding, or lack thereof, of constitutional principles that I was referring to. You casually dismiss the left’s trashing of constitutional liberties by making absolutely absurd arguments. For example, when a person who believes the Second Amendment means you cannot take away a DC citizen’s right to own a gun to defend himself, you equate that with wanting to arm the populace with AK-47s. You make the ridiculous argument that a belief in protest is the same as advocating the bombing of clinics. And I always find it amusing when Orwellian leftwingers demand that we base hiring and admissions on race and skin color and then turn around and call conservatives ‘racist’ for wanting to eliminate them. And of course, it wouldn’t be an ideal liberal rant without the usual sophmoric charges of “racism” and “homophobia.”

Simple-minded? Does it get any more simple-minded than that?

While I recognize the left considers fidelity to the Bill of Rights “boring and simple-minded,” the fact is, your views are pure unthinking regurgitation of extremist, anti-American leftist stupidity.

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 1:29 pm EST

frank:
why is it that your type always has to counter a well stated argument with “elitist” democrat. Proves and says nothing.

The point is not that you don’t have time to read the full article, but like a moron, you professed to have knowledge of the facts and details when you now admit you didn’t. You wrote:

“the judge just denied her ability to blabber about life in the agency like the traitor she really is, so KARMA WORKS> STARVE TRAITOR.”

That’s like writing a review of a movie you’ve never seen. Oh, wait, I seem to recall that a number of righties do that all the time. Specifically, some of your congressmen. Guess you’re taking your talking points from on high, eh?

frank | 8/3/2007, 1:18 pm EST

One more to O.R>Um, it must be nice to never be busy enough to be lucky enough to only skim headlines on the run… So, like you are an elitist rcih hypocrite, or a scrounge at the library computer, or what? I will look later for an explanation of what all those foil hat comments are about. For such rampant use of them as derogatory lines, nobody explains what the hell you are talking about… hahaha
O it is interesting being a pert of the Human ZOO.

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 1:08 pm EST

frank:

Well, you confirmed my expectations. Headline reader, no use for the ACTUAL FACTS or DETAILS. Sad.

frank | 8/3/2007, 1:04 pm EST

PS: to O.R> You are certainly correct hat Ames should have been hanged. I would like to have seen one better: Dip him in crude, hang him,then light the garbage, and aim a fan at him. Back tonight. have a good day all.

frank | 8/3/2007, 1:02 pm EST

I chuckled when I saw the headline, but am too busy to actually care for the details. I am however disappointed if what you say- she wil publish- is true. I saw on a different post somewhere people making foil hat comments. Would you explain that to me? I do not follow the cartoon shows….

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 1:01 pm EST

Chucky Schmucky
I may not be the best speller – and you may write pretty But your simple mind and regurgitation of noise is boring

frank | 8/3/2007, 12:59 pm EST

To: Oh Really. I have no thoughts on poor Terry Schiavo. Ouch and ahalf for all concerned. I do not know the facts of the end, except the court said pull the plug.
As to the president imprisoning someone: WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED with what happens to THE ENEMY?? Are you worried they will find you have connections to the terrorists or something? They are not signatories of the geneve protocols for treatment of POW’s- they cut the heads off men AND WOMEN while their hands are tied and they are gagged and blindfolded. They kill thousands of innocent people at a time whenever they are able to. We need to be able to get information from them any way we can. They are stone aged murder cultists.
Now- unless you talk to terrorists overseas, I really am quite certain our great servicemen have no interest in you (beyond having the wrong answer to my questions above)

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 12:58 pm EST

Ames should have been hanged. Along with the repubs who outed Plame, such as Rove, et al.

If you believe the Plame thing was really a “dem” doing, then you really don’t warrant a response. Please send me your mailing address and I’ll forward one extra large foil hat for you to wear.

Oh Really? | 8/3/2007, 12:55 pm EST

Geez frank, you really are an uninformed idiot. The ONLY change to Valerie Plame’s book is that she cannot say that she worked for the CIA from 1985 to 2004. Otherwise, its all being published. Guess you’re getting your news from Rush again? Maybe try reading some real journalism for a change. Oh, did I say read? Sorry.

frank | 8/3/2007, 12:53 pm EST

The Valerie Plame affair was an orchestraion of the left that backfired in their faces. VP was a useful idiot… and now, with no job, the judge just denied her ability to blabber about life in the agency like the traitor she really is, so KARMA WORKS> STARVE TRAITOR. I wish they all could be starved out of our misery. Libby was not locked up for outing anyone- he did not out anyone. The sham was a scam, and remains so. Why was aldrich ames not hanged? Dems.

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 12:51 pm EST

GEORGE H.W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.

Ted | 8/3/2007, 12:46 pm EST

chucky -
its apparent you’re no constitutional scholar.

Ted | 8/3/2007, 12:43 pm EST

Sounds like Cowboy Bob is all hat, no cattle.

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 12:33 pm EST

cowboybob
Ken Farmer,
If the America you live in is so corrupt and the conservatives are running everything, why don’t you go back to Canada and spend your dying days at home.

Cow Boy Bob Do you say any thing important or anything relevant to this debate? - - I don’t think so, go listen to Rush and you may pick up some talking point, like the rest of the wing nuts who don’t care about Americas’ future
I love this country and I will continue fight for it

Ted | 8/3/2007, 12:24 pm EST

Farmer Ken:

You are spot on. Can you imagine the outcry if the Clinton administration had outed Valerie Plame? We would almost go blind from all the Red White and Blue those right wing nuts would be hauling out claiming “traitor, hang him, traitor.” But when its one of their boys, why, its somehow OK. Scary how misguided these folks are.

I have a theory. Apparently most of these hard righties were sports fans (football, nascar, etc.) before the started listening to Rush L. Suddenly, they became amateur politicos. Unfortunately, the failed to realize the contry’s politics, and governance is not some race or football game. So, they pick a side, and no matter what inconvenient facts are presented, continue to cheer for their “team.” Even when its an inept, losing team like Team Bush and Cheney. Can you imagine how ignorant a commander in chief has to be to lose against a country like Iraq with a military like ours? To use a sports metaphor so the righties can understand, its akin to taking the superbowl champions to the local high school, and getting your ass kicked by the jr. varsity team.

Ted | 8/3/2007, 12:08 pm EST

and fundamentalist Christians, and war profiteers, chickhawk republicans (i.e. Cheney, Bush, O’Reilley, Limbag, etc, and the Bush administration.

ted | 8/3/2007, 11:59 am EST

Jed Clampett: You are right about need to change the cause of extremism. BUT: the cause of the extremists in this here war is ISLAM.

cowboybob | 8/3/2007, 11:14 am EST

Ken Farmer,
If the America you live in is so corrupt and the conservatives are running everything, why don’t you go back to Canada and spend your dying days at home.

Dr. Ralph | 8/3/2007, 11:11 am EST

Damn John, can you feel the love? Power hungry trial lawyer with cancerous pig for wife seeking position as commander in chief… I guess ambulance chasers just don’t build up a lot of good karma. Can’t wait until it really heats up!

Bud the fly guy | 8/3/2007, 10:33 am EST

great job C H LEE!
There are few that I’ve seen in this thread that would recognize much less listen to the voice of reason but I do appriciate you voicing it.
Thanks,
bud

Jed Clampett | 8/3/2007, 10:25 am EST

you can spend billions of dollars and murder millions of people, but if you don’t change the conditions that causes the desperation that leads to extremism in the first place nothing will be solved. By making the situation more difficult for the arab public you will only create more and more people with no hope and willing to take their lives and others to correct the situation. Just ask the american ‘terrorists’ circa 1776.

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 9:35 am EST

can build a lot of bridges with the estimated cost of this war 2 trillion dollars
$6 billion a month, or about $200 million a day

About one and a half bridges a day

But we did a good job killing those brown people

DirtyDennis | 8/3/2007, 8:22 am EST

It’s pretty much true that a President can not make things, by himself, better. But it’s also DAMNED true that a President, by himself, or with his friends, can screw things up.

I wonder how many bridges we could have repaired with the $$$$ we spent bombing brown-skinned aliens in the netherworld.

Lured | 8/3/2007, 7:33 am EST

Farmer Ken:
Exactly! I bet that even if Clinton had not ever been president, these kooks would be trying to blame Carter for 9-11.
Ever notice how when its something good - like the economy under Clinton - they want to reach back and claim their guy was acually the cause? i.e. Reagan somehow reached across a decade and was the actual cause of Clinton’s success. Then, when it comes to the utter failure on the part of the bush, jr administration on 9-11, it was somehow Clinton’s fault. Talk about Rube Goldberg logic.

The simple reality is this - Clinton was a fairly good president who made some mistakes. bush, jr. is one of the most, if not the most unqualified persons to ever hold that office. We’ll be paying for his failures for decades. Amazing how some folks just can’t seem to change their mind in light of overwhelming facts contrary to their position.

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 5:04 am EST

I am not blaming Bush for 911 - he just had other priorities than to protect America

All you conservatives always blame someone else for your problems
Clinton was not president on 911- Grow up people stop blaming other people for Bush failures – the buck stop at the White House – un-less it a Republican

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 4:59 am EST

Conservative are delusional
“ a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of psychiatric disorder” –

Farmer Ken | 8/3/2007, 4:59 am EST

Conservative are delusional
“ a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of psychiatric disorder” –

GirlyGirl | 8/3/2007, 2:19 am EST

Read this full thread, and it’s apparent why Repubs / Righties hardly ever get laid. What a bunch of small minded, goose stepping lemmings. Grow up boys, get a clue. You are the same guys who 150 years ago would be explaining all the reasons slavery is “God’s intention, good for the economy, and anyone who opposed it was anti-American.” The mind-set is the same, only the issues have changed.

Ted | 8/3/2007, 2:11 am EST

Oh look, someone is trying to be Ted (klinik, no doubt) but their little ruse is given away by their inability to spell or formulate a sentence:

“Word: if you are not made to be scared, but are in defense of the national interest,swiftly dispatched, terrorist is nto the word. Patriot is.”

Klinik is so busy practicing his “seig heil” salute with one hand that he keeps mistyping little words like “not” with his other.

Max | 8/3/2007, 1:50 am EST

Is this thread not moderated? It says “Caution: Off-topic posts will be deleted”, but all I see is people insulting each other back and forth. I think I will find something else to do, since the children have taken over here.

Word | 8/3/2007, 1:02 am EST

Ted,
You give stupidity a new name.

Ted | 8/2/2007, 10:31 pm EST

Word: if you are not made to be scared, but are in defense of the national interest,swiftly dispatched, terrorist is nto the word. Patriot is.

Poochie | 8/2/2007, 9:31 pm EST

Has anyone out there actually heard Edwards speak? Unbelievably good speaker, and I went to see him thinking he was a lightweight. Every time he targets a region or area, his numbers soar. I personally think that if he gets enough exposure, he’s going to be a force to deal with.

Poochie | 8/2/2007, 9:28 pm EST

Good, guess that pea brain self selected from the thread. Good riddance from the looks of things.

Poochie | 8/2/2007, 9:26 pm EST

Just joined this thread. Wanted to discuss the article. Isn’t there a monitor or someone of rationality who can get rid of fools like this klinik guy? Here we are wanting to discuss the issues, and all this guy seems to be able to do is spew invectives, and yell “fascist.” Sad.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:25 pm EST

American moderate: use your brain and choose a side, for when the liberals hit the fan, there is no middle- (too, considering how awful they think an Iraq “civil war” is- why do they keep BEGGING for one?) How bright are people who walk around saying KILL ME KILL ME? Sorry ass’d stoned out X popping swiss-cheese brained pitiful junky wretches. I am off. have fun pretending you are me…

redbluedoesitmatter | 8/2/2007, 9:23 pm EST

Klinki
NSA - reading our posts? I think its time you put on your foil hat and pulled down the shades. Guess you’re one of the 12% who still thinks Dick Cheney is doing a good job.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:21 pm EST

For a bunch of twits slinging accusations about us being fascists (the real americans) you sure are pretty cavalier about standing up and being counted even if you think you are being clever taking on three different identities (about the circulation of a cheap leftist rag, eh?) when you know the sturmgewehr are out there…. hahahaha.
Do you know why folks think so low of you that they would not piss on you if you were burning alive?

Harley101 | 8/2/2007, 9:20 pm EST

Somebody needs to give that klinik idiot a good ass-whoopin’

AmericanModerate | 8/2/2007, 9:18 pm EST

Mr. Klinik:
You are a truly troubled young man. Maybe you should go to bed now.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:17 pm EST

No real Americans know how to hack and get true identities…. No NSA -who read every post- who look for anti-american pieces of garbage could possibly find out anything about you…

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:16 pm EST

Fuk you. I spell reel good for a guy who was droped on his hed as a young boy. Look, I want simple answers, no matter wat. So I am a rebpublican.

watcher | 8/2/2007, 9:13 pm EST

KLINIK -
You mean the posts which are actually spelled correctly?

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:13 pm EST

Brat- I am not going to let you get to me and bcome angry. Actually I feel sorry for you. I mean, I reallywould not want 90 miilion armed angry americans drooling to put me in their sights… pitiful twit.

Sigmund | 8/2/2007, 9:11 pm EST

Hmmm. Apparently one of klinik’s personalities likes to call the other personality Ted. Odd. Please medicate at the proper intervals, young man.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:09 pm EST

Dang, that stupid winning case for FORCED euthanasia, POST Birth abortion named ted (you can see his style and know my real posts from his) is at it again…. But, hey, I am not scared to meet you face to face,scum.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:09 pm EST

Speaking of vaginas, I also like to have sex with my half-sister.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:08 pm EST

I also like to have sex with my half-sister.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 9:06 pm EST

A GENIUS last night posted:superangrymonkey | 8/1/2007, 11:47 pm EST

If Giuliani is Bush on steroids then Edwards is Hillary with a vagina.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 8:54 pm EST

Its just that wen I start thniking about how much I want George Bush to be dictater and ruler of all, an d have Ann Coulter as the first lady, I can’t help myself. These wurds just fly out my fangers.

ray | 8/2/2007, 8:53 pm EST

John c,thers no way Bush will be callled one of the best presidents. The Bush years will be looked at and these creepy idiots will be scorned. Watch the film of Bush in the classroom on 911 the look on his face says it all.

David... | 8/2/2007, 8:35 pm EST

It’s time to throw the bums out.

..and anyone who even thinks about voting for another neo-con deserves exactly what they get: a fascist dictatorship.

CH Lee | 8/2/2007, 8:21 pm EST

AnnCoulterneeds –

Your question: “So if it doesn’t meet your definiton of opposition, then it is not legitimate? Show me where the war protestors were supposed to go to get their voices heard? Marching in the street are means of last resort, when no one else will listen to you. . . ”

My reply: Americans need to weigh their need to voice their opinion with society’s need for security. If a citizen’s words and actions are giving aid-and-comfort to the enemy – and thus, helping to kill American soldiers in the field – then that citizen should seriously reflect on his/her deeds.

Should the war protestors be allowed to voice every naïve ill-conceived view on the war if such actions will help kill Americans? IMHO: No.

As long as some of the leftist posters are tossing around some quotes, here is some food for thought.

“The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized, more than before, that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows . . . would run in defeat.” – Usama bin Laden

“When America bleeds, America runs.” - Ayman al-Zawahiri

“If you kill one American, they will leave.” - Mohamed Farrah Aidid

The war protestors reinforce the image of cowardice in the minds of our enemies. That image helps with recruiting and it helps to inspire those recruits to kill more Americans. The blood of American soldiers is on their hands.

Your question: “Why don’t you ask the anti-abortion crowd who also march in the streets to get their voices heard why they do it.”

My reply: Apples and bowling balls. First, the pro-choice versus right-to-life debate doesn’t directly affect national security. Second, certainly the pro-choice crowd has no hesitation in expressing its views, so let’s not mis-portray that as one sided.

Third, IMHO, both sides have the right to voice their opinions. There are numerous contentious issues that aren’t related to national security that citizens should voice their opinions. On any given issue, I might be branded conservative or liberal – that’s not important. What is important is that voicing my opinion on those issues won’t contribute to the deaths of American soldiers.

In closing I would venture to guess that your stubborn clinging to that obscene insulting handle is proof that Ann Coulter’s harsh light of scrutiny has severely stung you.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 8:05 pm EST

What you do not understand, hear or believe is there was no retaliation- the entire thing was a set up to make the pres look bad- just like the screwball ted was trying to say garbage using my handle…. evil dishonest garbage folks.

Word | 8/2/2007, 7:32 pm EST

All conservatives are utter morons.

Look, what you need to ask yourselves about Plame is if Joe Wilson was wrong, why did the administration feel the need to retaliate against him the way they did?

And conservatives want to protect Americans? Right. Then why did this conservative administration just give $20 billion dollars in advanced weaponry to the country that hosted -and possibly funded- the 9/11 terrorist hijackers? Duh…..

If conservatives were intelligent they might wonder why we attacked Iraq AT ALL, given Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and hated Osama.

If conservatives were intelligent they might wonder why the Bush administration has allowed Al Qaeda to establish a new base of operations in Pakistan and according to the intelligence community are more dangerous than they were before 9/11.

If conservatives were intelligent they might wonder at the idiocy of torturing captives-it yields no credible information-and resent the fact that now the enemy has the moral right to torture U.S. soldiers. (Maybe they’d think about that one more if conservatives were actually serving in the military although I wouldn’t bet on it).

Instead I’d bet on this: conservatives are utter morons. They’re reliable that way.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 6:15 pm EST

Wake Up Sheeple: The “exposure” of plame was done by her side, for the express purpose of defaming the president- same sort of trickery the skank ted did when he uses my name on here… She was not an agent, no crime was doen except by them. Libby was charged with not expressing facts like he had recorded the day three years ago…

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 6:08 pm EST

Wake up sheeple. | 8/2/2007, 5:46 pm EST

You mean “treason” like exposing the identity of an undercover agent tasked with investigating middle east weapons of destruction.

Wow, that sounds… ominous. Has anybody been convicted– er, scratch that — has anybody even been charged with such a crime?

klinik | 8/2/2007, 5:59 pm EST

well the hysteria from the left continues… whether it is ted the red trying to get dead pretending he is someone else, proving what a bunch of slime the liberals are with their deceit and confusionist obfuscations to the ones saying war is bad- but everyone should be drafted as though contradicting one’s self is not craziness, to the ones saying that an all volunteer military- who are the best and brightest and healthiest and smartest should somehow be infected by drafting the lazy liberal loonies on drugs. When a war has for battlefields 50% or more of the countries on the planet, it may be considered a world war. When not winning against an enemy will result in modern civilization being erased from 90% of the planet, it may be considered a world war. But if one is too much of a simpleton to comprehend the nature of the threat, and is just too much of a partisan to want to help to winthe war because an American in the white house is too frightening to the cheap marxist worhtless garbage, well then no amount of explaining can inform them of just why, when they cannot pretend to be a stolen identity because they only have the slogans of the left at the roadblock they will nto be allowed back in (or out of the city etc)…. Buy an American history book, and read it- but get one published before 1965 when the commies got the publishing houses… get one not published in north korea

Question | 8/2/2007, 5:53 pm EST

Shouldn’t it be “Man” Coulter? Ever look closely at that bonebag? Scary, like a strung out methed-drag queen after a hard night on the town.

Bud the fly guy | 8/2/2007, 5:47 pm EST

Dear AnnColterneeds,
Obviously your show yourself as a missoginist, left wing loon attacking an intelligent, erudite (look it up flash) and attractive woman who is too well versed on the subject to bother with the claptrap that you and your type try to heap upon them.
Does your mother know how you identify yourself on this blog? I’m sure glad my children show respect to their intelectual betters or anyone at all for that matter.
buzz off jerk!

Wake up sheeple. | 8/2/2007, 5:46 pm EST

Chucky Schumucky

You mean “treason” like exposing the identity of an undercover agent tasked with investigating middle east weapons of destruction. If so, then I agree. Let’s find out who did that, and try them. Oh, wait, we already know - Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al.

Wake up sheeple. | 8/2/2007, 5:28 pm EST

Remind me, what was Dick “I had other priorities” Cheney doing during the Vietnam war?

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 5:27 pm EST

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofc um! | 8/2/2007, 4:42 pm EST

So if it doesn’t meet your definiton of opposition, then it is not legitimate?

No, when it gives aid and comfort to the enemy, THEN it is not legitimate, but treasonous. And there has been plenty of that, from the likes of Dick Turban, John Kerry and the despicable Ted Kennedy. Or when national security secrets are deliberately leaked to news outlets, and then those programs lose their effectiveness because of it. Both the leaking of the secrets AND the printing of them are treasonous.

Show me where the war protestors were supposed to go to get their voices heard?

I don’t care where they go; I never said they don’t have a right to protest. In fact, I noted that they have every right to make a-s-s-e-s out of themselves.

The “obscenity crusade” argument swings both ways. Many of these religious groups don’t think I should be allowed to have something just because their religion doesn’t like it. I don’t see a whole lot of differnce between that and trying to stop someone from saying some thing you don’t like. Both are based on the same idea.

I doubt that religious groups have prevented you from exercising any of your constitutionally protected liberties; but on many university campuses, you will find the boot of the nazi left pressing against the throat of any person daring to express conservative views.

Wake up sheeple. | 8/2/2007, 5:26 pm EST

Well said OldDog!

olddog | 8/2/2007, 5:24 pm EST

To all the repub brain dead Rush zombies out there who claim the George Bush’s war is WW3…you make me vomit!

When my dad and uncles fought WW2 EVERYBODY went! There was a universal draft morons! WW2 was not fought by poor and middle-class kids exclusively like king George’s war.

Funny how the Reich wing whack jobs bellow the most about the righteousness of G-dub’s Folly but somehow their kids are too busy at Yale, Harvard, UofM etc, to go themselves.

Oh and another thing. The entire economy was shifted over to a wartime footing for those war years as well. Would the rich, repub fat cats on Wall Street go for that now?? ROTFLMAO!!

World War = an entire country and ALL of its citizens in the fight.

A Halliburton oil war OTOH = poor and middle-class kids dying to increase Uncle Dick’s bank account!!

Get it right, keyboard warriors!!

So funny that a rich frat boy slacker who magically got into the Air National Guard during Vietnam and Mr. 5, count em FIVE, deferments Cheney are the fierce and manly warriors driving this fiasco!

Wake up sheeple. | 8/2/2007, 5:14 pm EST

“Naturally, the common people do not want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”

Hermann Goering, in Nuremberg Diary by Gustave Gilbert (1947).

Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?
George W. Bush.

Need I say more?

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofcum! | 8/2/2007, 4:45 pm EST

To many on the right, ANY opposition to the war is treasonous.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 4:43 pm EST

I’m back. Has anyone seen my meds? Going downhill fast over here.

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofcum! | 8/2/2007, 4:42 pm EST

So if it doesn’t meet your definiton of opposition, then it is not legitimate? Show me where the war protestors were supposed to go to get their voices heard? Marching in the street are means of last resort, when no one else will listen to you. Many of the people marching felt like legitimate organizations were not asking the right questions and nothing else they did would get them to do so. Why don’t you ask the anti-abortion crowd who also march in the streets to get their voices heard why they do it.

The “obscenity crusade” argument swings both ways. Many of these religious groups don’t think I should be allowed to have something just because their religion doesn’t like it. I don’t see a whole lot of differnce between that and trying to stop someone from saying some thing you don’t like. Both are based on the same idea.

Max | 8/2/2007, 3:35 pm EST

I think it is grossly unfair to assume that the people in here making fun of Mrs. Edwards’ cancer are Christians. I think that it is cruel and indecent to mock people because of an horrific illness.

Just because somebody is right-wing, or even goes to church, does not make them a Christian. Christ healed the sick, He didn’t scoff at them.

I don’t think that insulting each other proves anything though. Public policy should not be decided on the basis of which side has the biggest jerks. The occasional “Breck Girl” joke is fair game, just as people joked about Reagan’s hair, but the personal attacks on this board are way over-the-top, and contribute nothing to the discourse of ideas.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 2:53 pm EST

Farmer Ken | 8/2/2007, 2:20 pm EST

Bush did a good job, 19 a-sholes with box cutters have scared this country towards fascism.

The only fascism I see are those who want to use the force of government to restrict speech, gun ownership and private property rights, to control and punish our thoughts with “hate” crimes legislation, to determine what programming should be put on radio stations, to determine how many of each race and color should be admitted to universities, and a consistent effort to have government take complete control of our lives, from our health care to the economy.
If you think the way out of our problems is to torture and kill all the people who hate America - we are never going stop – we have lost the what has made this country the moral leader of the world – the beacon of liberty because we had rule of law – not one man is above the law - not Bush.

First of all, there’s a difference between torture (nudity, dogs, loud music and smelly underwear don’t qualify) and harsh interrogation.

We can debate all day long what could have, or should have, been done before 9/11. But after 9/11 — with everything we NOW know — it’s eminently clear who is serious about the terror threat and who is not. And it’s clear who is concerned about protecting US citizens and who is concerned about protecting the rights of terrorists.

Conservative | 8/2/2007, 2:50 pm EST

Hey Farmer Ken -

You are blaming Bush for 9/11, how about the 8 years Clinton was in office and did nothing to stop Osama, he was just to interested in playing with the interns instead of dealing with terrorists. If it was not for Clinton letting all the attacks go on through out his term, I don’t think we would have been attacked. Also, I do remember that Clinton stated when he was running for re-election, that Iraq had WMD’S, Gore mentioned it when he was running and Kerry and the Breck girl were also talking about them also when they were running, funny how all the libs forget that these were first started to be talked about by the liberals, when the republicans say it, it is nothing but lies.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 2:49 pm EST

Farmer Ken | 8/2/2007, 2:20 pm EST

Bush did a good job, 19 a-sholes with box cutters have scared this country towards fascism.

The only fascism I see are those who want to use the force of government to restrict speech, gun ownership and private property rights, to control and punish our thoughts with “hate” crimes legislation, to determine what programming should be put on radio stations, to determine how many of each race and color should be admitted to universities, and a consistent effort to have government take complete control of our lives, from our health care to the economy.

If you think the way out of our problems is to torture and kill all the people who hate America - we are never going stop – we have lost the what has made this country the moral leader of the world – the beacon of liberty because we had rule of law – not one man is above the law - not Bush.

First of all, there’s a difference between torture (nudity, dogs, loud music and smelly underwear don’t qualify) and harsh interrogation.

We can debate all day long what could have, or should have, been done before 9/11. But after 9/11 — with everything we NOW know — it’s eminently clear who is serious about the terror threat and who is not. And it’s clear who is concerned about protecting US citizens and who is concerned about protecting the rights of terrorists.

LI Resident | 8/2/2007, 2:42 pm EST

Ken:

You seem to deal in hysterics and hyperbole.

What human rights have we as a nation trampled?
Who’s door has the government kicked down without just cause? Please name one person.
Its hysterics. We’re moving towards fascism? Please look that term up.
Let’s look at this logically for one moment. If the President of the United States, especially THIS President broke the law, with the press looking to crucify him at every turn, with every democrat and their mother, with Moveon.org, Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, and all his political enemies to numerous to mention…your going to sit there and tell me he would not be impeached in a heartbeat?
That’s just silly. We impeached Clinton for a BJ.
You’re telling me the Democrats would not impeach Bush for High Crimes?

stromboli | 8/2/2007, 2:31 pm EST

Hey Rakim,
Again with the RASIST (sic) REPUBLICAN mantra. OK, pop quiz.. How many African Americans are in, or have been in, posisitions of power under the current administration? How many under Slick Willy Clinton? I’ll give you a hint…she was a secretary. The bed-wetting social progressives are like good magicians. They keep you looking at one hand while they pull their chicanery with the other. Don’t just repeat tired cliches. Check the facts for yourself…No, wait a minute, that would take too much intellectual honesty. Not the hallmark of a good revolutionary. Power to the Peoples.

Farmer Ken | 8/2/2007, 2:20 pm EST

Chucky
Actually, Ken, it is possible to focus on both economic and foreign policy at the same time.

Bush did a good job, 19 a-sholes with box cutters have scared this country towards fascism

Bush had barely put his cabinet in place before 9/11

When you become president it not like getting learners permits –

If you think the way out of our problems is to torture and kill all the people who hate America - we are never going stop – we have lost the what has made this country the moral leader of the world – the beacon of liberty because we had rule of law – not one man is above the law - not Bush

LI Resident | 8/2/2007, 2:13 pm EST

Well said, Chucky.

LI Resident | 8/2/2007, 2:13 pm EST

Well said, Chucky.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 1:58 pm EST

So very eloquently spoken Chucky! (from the real Klinik) I am leaving this site…too many twits. Give them hell chucky!! Hey twits, learn from the good American trying to teach you!
Peace.

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofcum! | 8/2/2007, 1:58 pm EST

Saddam gassed the kurds back in the eighties, I’m sure you remember, he was our friend then. Back when he was helping us fight Iran. I wonder how many of those supposed WMDs were the ones we gave him to do that?

I wonder how long it will be before we accuse the Saudis of “supporting terrorists” after they stop being useful? (Incidently, they ARE supporting terrorists and nothing has been done about it! Instead we decided to go into Iraq!)

Given some of the hateful posts some of you cons have left on here, you could use a taste of your own medicine. Perhaps I should start counting how many posts make fun of Elizabeth Edwards cancer. If this is an example of what it means to be a “loving christian” then you can keep your salvation!

If a mother of a six year old can’t afford the chemo her child needs and wishes for universal healthcare, I guess that makes her a “communist” in your minds. I see a whole lot of “self”, I don’t see very much “righteousness”.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 1:55 pm EST

farmer ken | 8/2/2007, 1:11 pm EST

“If this president that cared about it’s people verses corporate interest he would not have ignored a CIA briefing stating Al-Qaeda planning to attack America instead of concentrating on tax brakes.”

Actually, Ken, it is possible to focus on both economic and foreign policy at the same time. See, one really has nothing to do with the other. I know it’s fashionable on the left to blame every ill in society on tax cuts (even though many of our social ills can be traced directly to exhorbitant and failed Great Society programs), but to blame tax cuts for 9/11 is a laughable reach, even for a loony lefty.

And even putting aside the fact that Bush had barely put his cabinet in place before 9/11, the fact is, that CIA briefing might have been far more comprehensive had Jamie Gorelick not raised the wall between intelligence and law enforcement.

“The debate should be is about protecting Americans…”

You’re right, Ken — so what’s the left plan’s to protect Americans? From where I sit, it is the left that is against the Patriot Act and cheered when they thought they killed it; it is the left that doesn’t want to intercept enemy communications; it is the left that doesn’t want to track terrorist financial transactions; it is the left that refuses to harshly interrogate terror suspects; it’s the left that wants to shut down Gitmo; it’s the left that continues to reveal national security secrets to the press; it’s the left that wants to give terror suspects constitutional protections; and it’s the left that constantly bashes the president for trying to get aggressive against terrorism.

Far as I can tell, the only people the left wants to protect are the terrorists themselves.

Meanwhile, as lefties wring their hands about some imaginary “spying” on Americans, or worrying about what the terrorists in Gitmo are having for dessert, the enemy is plotting. And you lefties will be the FIRST to whine “why didn’t Bush do anything?” when we get hit again.

Max | 8/2/2007, 1:27 pm EST

“Anncoulter…”- I will only dignify you with an answer once. The answer is: zero. At my church we believe that, while homosexuality is a sin, so is homophobic rage and murder. In fact I believe that sexual sin is not nearly as bad as self-righteous sanctimony and pride.

Now, I suppose you will accuse me of being self-righteous, and I am sometimes, but I know that I am a sinner saved by grace. I believe that there is such a thing as righteousness, which drives liberals crazy, but I do not delude myself into thinking that anyone other than God can define it. In fact, lefties tend to be very self-righteous, believing that they get to decide right and wrong for themselves.

Max | 8/2/2007, 1:14 pm EST

If Bush were really the liar and fabricator of evidence that the left claims, he would have “found” WMDs in Iraq. The fact that he did not, while politically damaging, actually shows that he is honest enough to admit that there weren’t any WMDs found in Iraq.

farmer ken | 8/2/2007, 1:11 pm EST

If this president that cared about it’s people verses corporate interest he would not have ignored a CIA briefing stating Al-Qaeda planning to attack America instead of concentrating on tax brakes. Can any of you conservatives morons tell me what he did to protect us from a piece of sh-t sitting in a cave – I forgot Bush Sr. was with Osama’s brother watching world trade center go down, possible planning their next business venture a war. If the president cared about the citizens would have continued the war against the people who attack America, the Saudi’s and Pakistanis and Osama. He would not have sent our troops off onto a war for whatever the reason of the day is. Is protecting America draining our resources, killing thousand of soldier and the ruining American credibility? Over 600,000 Iraq have died because of why? But I guess some conservative’s don’t care about them because they have brown skin is this is winning heart and minds? But these Republicans sure know how to fight the so-called “war on terror”. Now I am going to support them by putting a yellow ribbon on my car, I am suppose to forget about how the Republicans party has been protecting America and start worry about Edward hair or Hilary cleavage

The debate should be is about protecting Americans, not about political parties, it about policy, whether the government it protecting American citizen or corporations interest. The Republicans have not done their job as a “check and balance” in government and because of that inaction we are at risk every day they are in power, from a dictator like president and government over reaching and people around the world thst hate us. Just think 6 years ago would you think that America would be illegal spying on it own citizen (everyone know the government has to do surveillance – we have laws how to conduct surveillance) torturing people, and having its own gulags around the world, locking up American citizen without trial. If you people continue support a government like this- we have lost the war on terror. If you scary-cat conservatives don’t get your head out of you’re a-s – this Democracy will be over – maybe that what you want

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofcum! | 8/2/2007, 1:10 pm EST

By the way, has Jesus told Bush where those WMDs are yet? Ha! Ha! Ha!

You hicks are so easy!

Max | 8/2/2007, 1:10 pm EST

Rudy used his law degree to become a prosecutor and crush organized crime in NYC. Then, as mayor, he turned NYC from the ungovernable city into a safe place to raise your children.

The “Breck Girl” used his law degree to line his pockets by fleecing ob-gyn’s, and in doing so created an environment so litigious that few people can afford to practice obstetrics anymore. Medical costs are higher in some degree because of the cost of malpractice insurance, and the cost of unnecessary tests doctors perform to “cover their butts”.

I am not a Guiliani supporter, because I am a social conservative, but I admire the man’s accomplishments, and think he is a real leader.

Slick | 8/2/2007, 1:07 pm EST

What is so funny is that you guys (Republicans) think that this President has this country on the right course and as soon as a Democratic nominee voices there opinion you just take shots at him instead of digesting what has been said. You all must be the 26% that still support him; but what’s interesting is that quite a few members of his own party don’t support him and if you actually think that Giuliani is going to lead this country in the right direction, I got a suggestion, ask the NYFD what they think of Giuliani. Idiots, this country has lost it’s luster in the world and it’s because of idiots like yourselves that we are in this mess, YOU VOTED HIM IN FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS! Great job, now take your head out of your ass and listen to members of his own party that don’t want a damn thing to do with him. This country is tired of the RICH getting RICHER, and that damn tax break really only helped the RICH, not the middle class, whever told you that bullshit lied. DO some research!

Bud the fly guy | 8/2/2007, 1:05 pm EST

A note to Sven;
most economists today note that if FDR had stayed out of the economy, the depression would have ended much sooner and have you looked at the results of LBJ’s “War on Poverty”? An increase of people who could not afford their own housing in the neighborhood of 2000%, that’s right, not 2 times as many, 20 times as many needed government assitance to have a roof over their head- that doesn’t seem like progress to me, want to talk about education, starvation and public health?

and a note to BLUE BOY;
yes like just about every ER doc, I’ve been sued for mal-prictice for leaving a scar when I was busy interrupting someone’s death. Something my colleagues and I are rather good at. And yes, I’d love to see you in my ER with a life threatening injury so you could see first had the crap the people have to go through, and the time it takes away from treatment, so we can cover our ass from people like you. Also if you’re like the rest of the trial lawyers I’ve treated, screaming at the top of your longs for immediate treatment of the pin prick you got in your finger while more serious cases, life threatening cases come first. If the time ever comes that you are refused treatment because of your profession, you have no one but yourself to blame(though I’m sure you’ll try to blame someone, anyone, else).

ray | 8/2/2007, 1:02 pm EST

Rudy, is better on terror, energy and the economy than any other candidate.Rudys energy plan would cut dependence and could be sold to other countries and be a boom for America.

Arnold S. | 8/2/2007, 12:57 pm EST

I never use the steroid.

Max | 8/2/2007, 12:57 pm EST

Jacksonville: what a candidate says his positions on the issues are is just one aspect of their qualifications for the presidency. Character is every bit as important as policy, and sometimes more. A man of low character (Bill Clinton, I’m looking in your direction) will sell out his policies without even blinking. Look at Clinton’s positions in 1992, and his actual policies as president. The only one he didn’t sell out was the right of doctors to crush a baby’s skull.

That said, Edwards doesn’t really have policy positions, he has platitudes. He wants to “take on corporations” and “help the poor” and “save the environment”. His health-care plan is nothing new, it is warmed-over Hillarycare.

The fact that Edwards is a sleazy ambulance chaser is relevant to his qualifications and conflicts of interest in reforming health-care, just as the fact that Bill Clinton was TOO SLEAZY to continue being a lawyer is relavent to his qualifications to be Commander-in-chief.

ASHMAN | 8/2/2007, 12:55 pm EST

Ironic: this is coming from the pretty boy who could use a little steroids and testosterone.

Dennis in Ohio | 8/2/2007, 12:45 pm EST

The more you see of all these candidates, the more I hope for an Independent candidate, not even on the radar now, to rise up and give us some real leadership and inspiration. The Dem candidates as a group would sell their mothers to get elected, and most of the GOP would give us more of the same. Surely we could do better!

Ted | 8/2/2007, 12:42 pm EST

Hey klinik, tell us about your rap sheet. Bet its a mile long given your condition. Ever try to steal some stuff as personality number one, just to later take it back as personality number two? That happens, you know. Maybe personality number one, the bad spelling, right wing whack job personality, is the republican personality, and personality number two is the more sensible, rational, intelligent - i.e. progressive democratic personality. You are an interesting guy, indeed.

Mark | 8/2/2007, 12:41 pm EST

This guy Edwards is the biggest idiot. What world is he living in? Typical phony southern lawyer.

Ted | 8/2/2007, 12:39 pm EST

Damn, I was right. I though that klinik dude was a split personality needing meds. Now he comes out and admits it. Better keep an eye on that guy, could be dangerous.

jacksonville | 8/2/2007, 12:38 pm EST

It’s ironic: edwards has the strongest message and most impressive stance on the issues of any candidate (health care, iraq, the environment, poverty…) but its a 5 word sound bite that drives our debate.
For all those democrats out there (a few contributors to this post are beyond saving), take five minutes and look at the candidates’ stances on the issues. Its infinitely more informative than watching grown men get their jollies by impugning someone who really wants to change this country.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 12:37 pm EST

Chucky, it depends when I took my meds. Sometimes, I feel one way, sometimes I fele anther way. Sorry.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 12:35 pm EST

No Chucky, I didn’t say all those other things, you did. One being true doesn’t make the others true, or presuppose their assertion. Chucky, you are a very bad boy,

Jake in Cincy | 8/2/2007, 12:35 pm EST

Hmmmmmmm, the Breck girl describes Giuliani at “Bush on steroids”. I would suggest that John Edwards is Tiny Tim on Estrogen. The last thing we need in this nation today is a freakin’ pussy like Edwards who sees Islamic terrorism as nothing more than a theme in a Bruce Willis flick. You want to get a clear picture of Edwards’ character??? Watch this scumbag narcissist on YOUTUBE sucking his own face in a mirror. What a shmuck. I wouldn’t let this turd wash my car.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 12:31 pm EST

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:56 am EST

Oh, come on. Rudy did such a great job giving all those firemen radios which didn’t work properly. It was their fault they didn’t get the message to evacuate, and then died, not dear wonderful infallible Rudy’s. Just because Rudy’s friend supplied the non-functional radios at a great no-bid profit shouldn’t be a problem. He’s a republican, that’s all you need to know. And don’t tell me about how he then tried to blame it on the firemen that they “refused” to evacuate. He has to do what ever is necessary to win this election.

Yeah, yeah. And Bush was responsible for the levees that broke in NO. Yeah, yeah, we get it. We fully understand the Democrat notion of, and strong advocacy of, “responsibility.”

We know that Bush blew up the levees, that he planned 9/11, that Ronald Reagan was responsible for AIDS, that “tax cuts for the rich” are responsible for the state of innercity schools and that Rudy knowingly gave faulty radios to firemen because of “corporate greed.”

We get it already. And we know that if it’s not Bush’s fault, it’s the fault of those with the deepest pockets.

Yeah, we get it.

hsimone | 8/2/2007, 12:31 pm EST

There are over 300,000,000 Americans today. Are these folks pursuing the presidency really the best we have?

cecil | 8/2/2007, 12:31 pm EST

damn…down down down into the dirt.

Need a preview button here.

cecil | 8/2/2007, 12:30 pm EST

Ron Paul for President in 2008.

Give ALL these gasbags a wake-up call.

DC is a swamp that is sucking the life and vitality of the American dream dwon into the dirt.

Dallas | 8/2/2007, 12:28 pm EST

The Republican and Democratic Parties are the same monster wearing different make-up. Wake up people! Try thinking for yourselves. Rudy, Hillary, McCain, Edwards, etc. are all bad for this country. Government by the rich for the rich. That’s really what all the candidates are about. They want to keep the ruling class. How about some fresh ideas?

LI Resident | 8/2/2007, 12:21 pm EST

Why would you vote for Edwards?
Guiliani? Other?

I would vote for Giuliani because I have seen first hand what he can do. He turned NYC from a filthy, crime ridden town, to a flourishing tourist destination. He took on Organized Crime, and showed true leadership after 9/11. He is not afraid to lead. He believes as I do that capitalism works. If the election were today, Rudy would get my vote. Romney, Thompson and the others? I dont know their positions or past performance.

I would not vote for HIllary because I believe she is a deceitful poltical opportunist who only says what she thinks people want to hear. I do not this she is a strong leader. She is also a fan of higher taxed and bigger government as is Obama, whom I would aslo not vote for as he is too inexperienced.
Edwards’ past as a Personal Injury attorney and his hand in changing doctors attitudes on C-Sections has permanently turned me off to him. Plus, he has no message. What would he do as president?

I do no vote party lines but I will be voting republian unless the democrats put up someone worth voting for.

Justin | 8/2/2007, 12:18 pm EST

Why is it that Dems have all these social programs to better society, but when they implement them, society is worse off. Look at all the cities in the U.S. that are blue cities - they all have the same problems - higher tax rates, higher poverty rates, higher population of homeless, higher unemployment, higher drug and crime related problems.

TheLogic | 8/2/2007, 12:18 pm EST

Anyone who uses ‘liberals’ or ‘repuglicans’ are playing into the hands of the opposition. Stop making yourselves look like fools by playing party politics. It’s people like you that keep the two party system (one more choice than communist russia) alive and well. You also keep all the hateful, useless name calling and dirty politics alive.

Get a clue.

Ted | 8/2/2007, 12:15 pm EST

Fought in Desert Storm. Fortunately, that was before the radical george the younger was on the scene. The dad was a pretty smart guy when it came to foreign policy. Kind of liked him. Sad that son had to try to prove he was tougher than dad, and screw everything up beyond recognition. But if you think about it, that’s the history with george jr. Go in like gang-busters, totally inept and unprepared, make a total mess, leave, then wait for dad’s friends to clean up after him. Only difference here will be that dad’s friends actually made some decent proposals in the Baker Hamilton report, but son was too egotistical to listen. Guess the next president will do the cleanup of son’s mess this time. (As will you and I, as taxpayers, at a cost of hundreds of billions of wasted dollars.) So goes it.

Craigo | 8/2/2007, 12:11 pm EST

John Ed you both beat me to it. Great minds think alike. Stop Hillary Now!!!

Steve--Boston,MA | 8/2/2007, 12:10 pm EST

Rebut to “impeach the Gonzo monkey”
You are a hypocrite and far worse than the people that you mock! Your argument states that one should stick to the “factual debate” and not give arguments on a leaders psychological makeup. I would counter your weak argument by strongly arguing that if one is more concerned with his appearance and less concerned with world events than this is very relevant to the “factual debate” when choosing a leader. Perhaps you should look at your own behavior before you mock others!!! You do a lot worse by mocking half the country by basically stating that they are stupid and mindless sheep of Rush. Two more examples in your very short hypocritical elitist writing are the “Repugs” and “impeach the Gonzo monkey” comments. Are the above comments by you sticking to the “factual debate” or “deep reasoning?” Are they making a sound or logical argument on the issues? I think not! These comments are not a psychological analysis in aiding one in choosing a leader or that of your argument opponents but a pure personal attack on those who disagree with you. You elude in your piece that one who dares disagrees with you must be stupid compared to such a reasonable and deep thinker such as yourself. Please, spare us all your pseudo intellectual argument and make a logical argument on an issue any issue besides mocking your opponent!!!!

klinik | 8/2/2007, 12:07 pm EST

Look here, you liberal pig boy. I tried to go to Iraq and helf out my country, but couldn’t get in because they told me I didn’t pass the mental healh exam. What have you done for your country?

klinik | 8/2/2007, 12:06 pm EST

No ted you prove the democrats are deceitful swine.

George | 8/2/2007, 12:06 pm EST

Edwards is Hillary on estrogen.

How is that for a reply to a trial lawyer’s stupid quote?

CH Lee | 8/2/2007, 12:05 pm EST

Poster: “Impeach . . .”

Comments: “Ever notice how Repugs seem to be entirely unable to engage in any factual debate. . .”

My fellow American, regarding the comments that you posted belwow: do you consider insulting handles/screen names and derogatory pronouns part of factual debate?

With all due respect, not since LBJ have the Democrats been able to field a candidate, or place someone in the White House, capable of conducting strong effective foreign policy.

In all fairness to President Clinton, he did a lot of good things in promoting U.S. businesses in overseas locations. Many expatriate business people referred to him as the “CEO President.”

However, in terms of addressing the problem of terrorism, and fighting al Qaeda, President Clinton fell short of the mark from the time he took the Oath of Office.

I had hoped in the Post-9/11 environment that Americans could cast aside past failures and band together to face this problem.

However, it was the Democratic Party that chose politicize this issue during the 2004 Election. Forgetting the advice that “People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones,” many Democrats chose to make this issue. And, the misguided anti-war faction of the Democratic Party has also seized upon this issue and is undermining American efforts even as I type this reply.

Thank God the Republican Party didn’t adopt a similar stance on December 8, 1941, when the U.S. faced another serious thread to its security. There was no talk of “war mongers” or accusations of “spying on Americans.”

Be careful of what you wish for, my fellow American. If you want the facts on President Clinton’s foreign policy shortcomings, you find a collection the size of the Manhattan phone directory.

Ted | 8/2/2007, 12:05 pm EST

I think its apparent that Mr. Klinik has a split personality. First he posts as the poor spelling right wing whack, then he comes back with personality number two, which is actually a bit more entertaining. Interesting, but a sad individual who likely should be closely watched.

mike | 8/2/2007, 12:03 pm EST

edwards is just a cancerous talking vagina. Good for nothing

klinik | 8/2/2007, 12:02 pm EST

Yeah, you just wate. I’m goning to git me one of them speel checkers, then you’l see!

Dallas | 8/2/2007, 11:57 am EST

Sometimes people actually have a meaningful debate here. Not all this retarded bickering. If you have something worth saying then say it. Don’t fight back and forth with other posters like a couple of dumbass teenagers.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:56 am EST

Oh, come on. Rudy did such a great job giving all those firemen radios which didn’t work properly. It was their fault they didn’t get the message to evacuate, and then died, not dear wonderful infallible Rudy’s. Just because Rudy’s friend supplied the non-functional radios at a great no-bid profit shouldn’t be a problem. He’s a republican, that’s all you need to know. And don’t tell me about how he then tried to blame it on the firemen that they “refused” to evacuate. He has to do what ever is necessary to win this election. Instead of thinking about those things, just repeat after me “Clinton, blue dress, Whitewater, Clinton, blue dress, expensive haircut, Clinton, blue dress, Hillary.” All better now? I thought so.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:55 am EST

chucky you left out one of the more impressive folks to be associated with mr chappaquiddick himself, drunk driver murderer edward m kennedy

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:52 am EST

I’m starting to feel better. I think the meds are kicking in. Sentence structure may improve.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 11:51 am EST

Rudy1200BC | 8/2/2007, 10:42 am EST

All these Rudy Rudy Rudy trolls have yet to give a single reason they would vote for this criminal. All they do is say “Rudy is da man!” “Go Rudy!” “Rudy 2008!!”

And all morons like you do is say “Rudy is a criminal!” without offering a single legitimate piece of evidence. (And if knowing Bernie Kerik makes Rudy a criminal, then what can we say about Hillary and her associations with Jim and Susan McDougal, Red “Cattle Futures” Bone, Craig Livingstone, FALN terrorists, Marc Rich, the Rose Law firm, the S&L criminals, and all the rest?)

I lived in NYC well before Rudy became mayor and lived there throughout his entire mayoralty. And it’s clear that with the passage of time, dirtbags like yourself have taken to dismissing his awesome accomplishments, which I saw first hand. When he came into office, NYC was called “the ungovernable city” and many believed it was beyond repair. Rudy came in and proved that it was only ungovernable using tired, corrupt leftwing approaches. And THAT’S why he was hated– because he demonstrated the absolute bankruptcy of far left, Democrat machine governance. Well, that and because he didn’t suck up to the despicable Al Sharpton.

He cleaned up crime, and that achievement is well documented. He cleaned up the streets, including the seedy 42nd street area — which sent leftwingers into a tizzy, as they felt that crack, whores and garbage had a certain charm and should be left alone. He reduced the welfare rolls dramatically, despite howls of “starving the children” by leftists. He brought businesses back and he cleaned up a fiscal cesspool of waste and corruption. Bloomberg’s mayoralty has largely been a continuation of Rudy’s policies, but with a good dose of leftist nanny statism thrown in.

And Giuliani did all these things while fighting the leftwing establishment each and every day; the Democrat-dominated city council, a hostile leftwing media, and the usual racial arsonists battled him every step of the way. And the more successful he was, the more the left hated him.

And then came 9/11, where everybody in the country got to see a true leader up close.

The left likes to belittle Rudy’s accomplishments by reducing all of it to his 9/11 leadership, but that’s only because they either didn’t see him up close, or, more likely, because they’re leftwing Stalinists who will never give him his due. And that’s because he turned the city around by using conservative principles and demonstrating the absolute disaster of liberal politics. Those are the facts and you will be getting a full recounting of it in the 2008 campaign.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:50 am EST

The truth - you can’t handle the truth! I’m also a love-child of Rudy’s.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:49 am EST

I’m really just a 12 year old boy with zits. But this is fun.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:49 am EST

Nice try ted- you just proved my immediate prior post to a T. What worthelss slime you cheap pieces of trash are. Do you live in a state that still allows duelling?

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:47 am EST

And yes, Ann Coulter does get me off. But then, so does Bill O’Reilly and that hot boy from National Review.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:46 am EST

Wow, how did you know I was on meds? They do make me kind of crazy. Guess I should stop now and find them.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:45 am EST

Ted, you are no more creative here, or able to defend you political philosophy than you are as nomonambla in politco - or maybe as the other tiny brained with a tinier functionality over there. Your philosophy depends on lying and stealing and cheating to get power,then to hold power you murderous swine do anything… Die pig.

Ted | 8/2/2007, 11:44 am EST

You guys are so funny!

Dutch | 8/2/2007, 11:40 am EST

Flat tax - great post.

Wouldn’t it be interesting to see those figures with local & state taxes added in. Sales tax, prop. tax (the poor don’t own but they pay rent), sin taxes, utility taxes, gas tax, and yes, state lotteries which are a tax. Those really hit the poor and middle hardest. I bet you would see the extact opposite.

Besides there aren’t enough rich people to solve our budget problems. Go ahead raise the top rate to 70% or more - it wouldn’t add up to more than a couple of lousy billion per year. Get the rate too high and they will just find ways to dodge taxes and make less income, the net could actually decrease. I guess we can always eat the rich. That will show them.

As I said before - the money is in the middle. Define rich. Edwards won’t do it.

Funny not one word from anybody about spending less. What a concept!

Edwards is just trying to get to the left of everbody to find some kind of political base. This is failing so he is trying harder. Look for more controversial statements. He just wants to stay alive in hopes that Hillary and Barak will beat each other to death.

Dems should love Rudy. He’s the best candidate for them that the the Repubs could field. If, that is, they really mean what they say.
He’s the least Bush-like candidate you will ever see. And I like him.

Max | 8/2/2007, 11:40 am EST

Impeach the gonzo- It is interesting to note that your attack on Republicans for not being able to engage in “factual debate” contains no factual debate.

Yes, we poke fun at Edwards for being a poof. That’s part of the game of politics, just as you refer to Bush as the “gonzo monkey” and Republicans as “repugs”. But if you check my post of 11:24 am, you will find my reasoning against increasing government power to regulate business.

There are plenty of morons on both sides of the debate. There are also many smart people who disagree with each other.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:40 am EST

Hey Vinny! He would never do that, because he knows he would get an overnight breadline that would reduce his wealt to oh, only thirty or forty million dollars within the decade…

Ted | 8/2/2007, 11:40 am EST

Klinik, take a break from your momma’s basement, and go take your medication. Appears its time for another dose.

ksvoboda | 8/2/2007, 11:39 am EST

Edwards is a wonderful candidate. The reason so many Rudy people are posting here is because Matt Drudge put a link to this site!

Ted | 8/2/2007, 11:36 am EST

No, Klinik, get out your third grade grammar text (assuming you made it that far in your home schooling program), and you will see that I am addressing each of you individually, because each of you posted individually. Do I have to sit here and school your dumbass all day, or can I go have breakfast now?

Vinny Vigilant | 8/2/2007, 11:34 am EST

Edwards & Dem all want us hard-working middleclass to distribute what wealth we have. Edwards, go to SuperCuts & donate the difference to those who think they’re entitled to hand-outs.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:33 am EST

Ted the smarty: You just spoke to two and called us one. The correct thin to say, though factually wrong would have been you are idiots. But it took one to call two, eh? hahaha

Ted | 8/2/2007, 11:33 am EST

Amazing - Red State and Klinik are so daft they can’t even spell correctly when responding to a post about poor spelling. Probably typing with one hand, while flogging it to Ann (er, I mean Man) Coulter with the other.

Ted | 8/2/2007, 11:30 am EST

Hey Red State and Klinik -
Read this -

Y O U A R E AN I D I O T.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:30 am EST

Dallas: You are RIGHT to not vote for Rudy. But I would like to suggest that you DO vote for an American. NOT A DEMOCRAT. Rudy is a cheap RINO. Supporters of gun control are guilty or the murders of the disarmed innocents.

Impeach the Gonzo monkey | 8/2/2007, 11:29 am EST

Ever notice how Repugs seem to be entirely unable to engage in any factual debate. With Clinton, it was the blue dress, and with Edwards, its the hair cut. Real deep reasoning. As if just mentioning some irrelevant issue somehow substitutes for analysis. Oh, but I forgot, you guys were all raised by Rush, so I guess that explains it.

Red state | 8/2/2007, 11:26 am EST

Hey Ted
Spell this:
E L I T I S T L I B R A L

Max | 8/2/2007, 11:24 am EST

If you decide not to give any money to the corporations, the corporations cannot have you arrested. If you decide not to give any money to the government, well… good luck to you.

I am no friend to corporate America, since I am a social conservative, but I see government as being far more dangerous to my liberty than any corporation.

Think about it this way: if the corporations are really running the government, then increasing government power will only increase theirs. We will have what Ayn Rand called “the aristocracy of pull”, where the corporate leaders with connections use government regulations to squash the competition, control prices of their raw materials, and so forth. Less government means LESS power for rogue corporations.

Dallas | 8/2/2007, 11:24 am EST

Wow! Who are these crazies that support Guilliani? This reminds me of the flood of Ron Paul supporters. Is this a group of ten people repeatedly posting, or what? There’s never this many comments on any of these blogs. Especially, so quick. I would never vote for Rudy. I encourage the rest of you to do the same.

klinik | 8/2/2007, 11:24 am EST

MR T: no- superangrymonkey has the best one:superangrymonkey | 8/1/2007, 11:47 pm EST

If Giuliani is Bush on steroids then Edwards is Hillary with a vagina.

lance | 8/2/2007, 11:23 am EST

Edwards should STFU and withdraw. Zero credibility/Maximum laughability. Problem is, he does not want to go home to his ‘beast of burden’ spouse. I would not want to either. She would probably commit husband abuse and beat him with his hairbrush collection. She would then descend into an orgy of Wendy’s Baconators, with locally grown NC tangerines as a tasty dessert.

Ted | 8/2/2007, 11:21 am EST

Wow, never realized how poorly conservative ranters spell. Almost every one of you spell or punctuate like a retard home-schooler. (Which you probably are.)

UpChuck Schumer | 8/2/2007, 11:17 am EST

John Edwards is John Kerry on ESTROGEN!

Mr. T | 8/2/2007, 11:12 am EST

If Guiliani is Bush on Steroids then Edwards is Hillary on Estrogen.

Chucky Schmucky | 8/2/2007, 10:59 am EST

wrex | 8/2/2007, 10:27 am EST

Seems like a lot of people here are chomping at the bit for a GOP-run police state. Amazing how americans will cut off their face, to spite their partisan nose. Pathetic.

You want to see a police state? Head to your nearest university and see how the left treats those it disagrees with, through the use of speech codes, “anti-harrassment” policies and Stalinist show trials of those who don’t toe the far left line.

And if these fascists had their way, the entire country would be run the same way.

cowboybob | 8/2/2007, 10:54 am EST

Farmerken has his rantings of the American people and the way of life, yet he continues to live in this country taking advantage of all the properity amd medical advantages as a Canadian National that has never applied to become a citizen and has never voted. If you don’t want to become an American citizen, please leave the country or shut up.

Brad | 8/2/2007, 10:53 am EST

And the democrat’s government will be ran by bankers and hedge funds because that’s where their money is coming from. More of the same old same old…just have to pick the less of the two evils.

Kent | 8/2/2007, 10:50 am EST

I live in Washington DC. 61% of the children are born out of wedlock. Studies show anywhere from 27% to 41% of the citizen can not read and write. The school system is in shambles, the police force, fire department, Health and Human services etc are all in shambles. This story is repeated in Baltimore, Detroit, Houston, Los angles so on so forth…
That one city that has turned around is - you guessed it New York. Why did such a liberal enclave turn to the Republicans to run their city? Because Democrats run everything into the ground. At some point I wonder if the jurisdictions that Democrats derive their power from will wake up and realize they can’t run a lemonade stand? If the media was honest with its subscribers they would report on the Democrats complete failure across the board. I know with their track record I certainly don’t want them running this country…

William Post | 8/2/2007, 10:47 am EST

wrex-
Actually the expression is “cut off your nose to spite your face”
Good try though!

William Post | 8/2/2007, 10:43 am EST

I just love the way “liberals” [not that there’s anything liberal about them-they’re leftists]like to proclaim conservatives wrong on issues of opinion not fact. I love this almost as much as their newest tactic, declaring that a discussion is over ie: global warming.
Have you ever heard the adage “If you’re not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative at 40 you have no brain”? Personally I don’t subscribe to this. I think you can have a brain andstill be wrong about almost everything.
But back to the issue at hand-”liberals” love to talk about the evil, mean-spirited, name calling Republicans. Edwards’ comment re: Rudy seems typical of what I hear coming from the left all the time. They’re the ones that seem to do most of the name calling.
On a seperate but related note there have been 2 recent accounts of Democrat congressmen threatenig Republican congressmen with physical violence over disagreements. Who’s most like a Nazi?

Rudy1200BC | 8/2/2007, 10:42 am EST

All these Rudy Rudy Rudy trolls have yet to give a single reason they would vote for this criminal.

All they do is say “Rudy is da man!” “Go Rudy!” “Rudy 2008!!”

Completely worthless, check the comments on Rudy’s YouTube site (which are pre-filtered) and you will get the idea.

Nolff | 8/2/2007, 10:38 am EST

Ever notice how people mindlessly gripe about liberals?

Navy Chief | 8/2/2007, 10:33 am EST

Sean Penn in Venezuala planning the take over of Fox News and the American way of life. His Communist ideals are finally revealed. Time to throw away his movies in my DVD cabinet.

Del | 8/2/2007, 10:32 am EST

Edwards on estrogen , love it.
but that also explains alot, Hillary on steroids. Oh. by the way IF Edwards really paid $400.00 for a haircut. He really got the worst end of that deal really bad haircute.

The Avenger | 8/2/2007, 10:30 am EST

BoyBlue,
If you really are a trial lawyer God help us all.
You really are just another dopey liberal.

wrex | 8/2/2007, 10:27 am EST

Seems like a lot of people here are chomping at the bit for a GOP-run police state. Amazing how americans will cut off their face, to spite their partisan nose. Pathetic.

American Public | 8/2/2007, 10:24 am EST

ah ha, If you are ok with mega-cororations telling business owners what they can and can not do, because the local goverment has decided to take control out of the hands of locals, and sell it to the mega-corps, Wait till it hits middle America and eveywhere is exactly the same with no distinction between Boston, NYC, and Bosie. Wake up we need local goverment not ferderal-copritisim controling the entire contry as if it was an aquisition in their portfolio.

Art | 8/2/2007, 10:16 am EST

I guess Timmy had mulitple orgasims watching Johnny perform.Get it while you can, Edwards is not long for this season.

Art | 8/2/2007, 10:16 am EST

I guess Timmy had mulitple orgasims watching Johnny perform.Get it while you can, Edwards is not long for this season.

david R. Plautz | 8/2/2007, 10:14 am EST

edwards is a meglomaniac freak,who talks a talk which he has not recently walked the walk (”recently” since he was self - made on the backs of people who have to pay insurance premiums that he is principally responsible for increasing — and will only get bigger if he is elected — because he never will back needed tort law whore lawyer reform

???? HOW MANY OBGYN’S ARE NOW IN PRACTICE WITHIN A 50MILE RADIUS OF HIS PISS - ASS $0.000 HOUSE — My guess is that it is 90% less thanit was 20 years ago — Thanks John, you tort whore !

david R. Plautz | 8/2/2007, 10:14 am EST

edwards is a meglomaniac freak,who talks a talk which he has not recently walked the walk (”recently” since he was self - made on the backs of people who have to pay insurance premiums that he is principally responsible for increasing — and will only get bigger if he is elected — because he never will back needed tort law whore lawyer reform

???? HOW MANY OBGYN’S ARE NOW IN PRACTICE WITHIN A 50MILE RADIUS OF HIS PISS - ASS $0.000 HOUSE — My guess is that it is 90% less thanit was 20 years ago — Thanks John, you tort whore !

david R. Plautz | 8/2/2007, 10:13 am EST

edwards is a meglomaniac freak,who talks a talk which he has not recently walked the walk (”recently” since he was self - made on the backs of people who have to pay insurance premiums that he is principally responsible for increasing — and will only get bigger if he is elected — because he never will back needed tort law whore lawyer reform

???? HOW MANY OBGYN’S ARE NOW IN PRACTICE WITHIN A 50MILE RADIUS OF HIS PISS - ASS $0.000 HOUSE — My guess is that it is 90% less thanit was 20 years ago — Thanks John, you tort whore !

david R. Plautz | 8/2/2007, 10:13 am EST

edwards is a meglomaniac freak,who talks a talk which he has not recently walked the walk (”recently” since he was self - made on the backs of people who have to pay insurance premiums that he is principally responsible for increasing — and will only get bigger if he is elected — because he never will back needed tort law whore lawyer reform

???? HOW MANY OBGYN’S ARE NOW IN PRACTICE WITHIN A 50MILE RADIUS OF HIS PISS - ASS $0.000 HOUSE — My guess is that it is 90% less thanit was 20 years ago — Thanks John, you tort whore !

joan pearce | 8/2/2007, 10:13 am EST

I’m from North Carolina. Trust me. John Edwards has one concern and that is for HIMSELF. Not his State & its citizens, and certainly not for the safety of the Country.

Red state | 8/2/2007, 10:11 am EST

hey passive
Is there anything you would fight for?
Clearly your right–a bumper sticker flew into the WTC and killed 3,500 people!!! Geeeeeeez

willdaddy | 8/2/2007, 10:08 am EST

@Red state
So by your reasoning, Edwards should give all his money away and sell his home, so he wouldn’t have any money, and that would be fair?
I agree with the statement about the private jet, but it wouldn’t be practical for someone running for prez to travel by any other method.
As far as his law practice, I believe there were consequences to his suits that were more far reaching than intended, but he wasn’t ‘ambulance chasing’. The effect it had on the local doctors (I live in NC) was more a symptom of the broken health care system in this country than an indictment on his practice.

JacqueBauer | 8/2/2007, 10:08 am EST

Non-candidate…irrelevent…d esperately grasping…flailing…he’s melllllttingggg!

Instinct | 8/2/2007, 10:07 am EST

Edwards is Hillary on Estrogen

John K | 8/2/2007, 10:01 am EST

If “Giuliani is Bush on Steroids,” does that make Edwards Hillary on hairspray?

Scott | 8/2/2007, 9:58 am EST

Edwards is Hillary without the penis.

CH Lee | 8/2/2007, 9:50 am EST

The more posts that I read in this thread, the more disturbing views I find.

Without delving into too many of the cliches, I’ll address a few related points.

I can’t understand how recognizing the reality of the world in which we live can be construed as “fear mongering.” Al Gore, John Edwards and others have taken this public stance regarding the War On Terror.

Similarly, farmerken is operating under the false assumption that the current administration’s policies “increase terrorism,” when in fact it was President Clinton’s systematically weak and ineffective responses to terrorism emboldened al Qaeda. Currently, The Honorable Senator Harry Reid et al. aren’t striking fear into the hearts of our enemies. The ghosts of FDR, JFK and LBJ must be rolling in their graves.

A problem is a problem. I don’t care which party fixes that problem as long as they take effective action.

Finally, on the subject of cliches, could Tim Dickinson be any more biased?

Not all are that bad. | 8/2/2007, 9:46 am EST

I kind of feel bad for Ron Paul since he is the only republican I would vote for and is surrounded by these lames.

American Public | 8/2/2007, 9:26 am EST

Rudy only made NYC safe because he sold it to Disney. That is exactly what he would do to the nation, right after he takes away your gun so that he can install security cameras in your home.

Jeff in Kabul | 8/2/2007, 9:25 am EST

Teddy was a bit of a nut case, most economists will tell you that if FDR stayed out of the depression it’d been over 5 to 6 years earlier, and LBJ founded the entitlement society we find ourselves in today.

Passive | 8/2/2007, 9:22 am EST

It’s probably not worth it, but what the hell.

I’m amazed how wrong most people here are. Let’s go over a few things:
Rudy: Screwed the first-responders. He’s dead weight.
War on Terror: It is a bumper-sticker slogan. The United States, since it’s inception, has a very strict definition of what a “war” is, and how one comes into existence. It is not possible, in the United States, to declare “war” on a concept, such as “terror”.
Corporations: I’m amazed, after all you’ve been through with corporations screwing you left and right (cigarettes, Enron, oil companies), that you still fail to realize that the existing laws for corporations don’t work. The system is designed in a way that make corporations value money above people. That has to change.

Anne | 8/2/2007, 9:20 am EST

Has John Edwards starting shaving yet?

Red state | 8/2/2007, 9:15 am EST

Sven notes “Calling Edwards a hypocrite is just mindless iteration of GOP spin points.”

Well, Sven what do you call
A multi-millionaire who lectures us on 2 America’s (his and everyone else’s) who jets his barber to get a hair cut for 1,200$? but he is ‘for the working man’

That lives in a 30,000 sq foot home, that jets from place to place that has the nerve to tell me to reduce my carbon foot print? (oh–I know he purchases carbon credits–how nice)

Who just about put the OB-GYN docs out of business in N.C. but wishes to increase access to health care?

I call that HYPOCRASY–what the hell do you call it? Liberal?

I may not be a genius, but I practice what I preach unlike the Breck Girl.

E.F. | 8/2/2007, 9:13 am EST

It is sad to see this country so divided, when we all are trying to fight for the same liberty, prosperity and promise.

D-Dub6 | 8/2/2007, 9:10 am EST

“farmerken” obviously had nothing intelligent to say. Comparing Nazi’s to Bush…Pathetic. Come on, say something worth saying. What are you going to call us next? Make a point. You know Edwards is doing this for public eye. It’s working too…but he’ll still lose.

farmerken | 8/2/2007, 9:06 am EST

Wow! These posts show how stupid or delusional a large segment of the Americans have become. Why do they hate the American way of life and would rather live in authoritarian society. They continue support government policies that increase terrorism, reduce liberty. Conservatives are afraid of everything, living, dieing, sex. They need a strong leader to protect them (Bush, Giuliani, Ahmadinejad, Hitler ) and tell how to live and die.

D-Dub6 | 8/2/2007, 9:05 am EST

“Brian” pretends like he’s an Intelligent libral. Go ahead, bring something to the debate bud. You’ll only prove my point further with your inconsistencies and hypocritical propaganda

Sven | 8/2/2007, 9:05 am EST

Funny how Teddy Roosevelt was a trust buster, FDR pushed programs to help the millions of unfortunates during the Depression, LBJ started the war on poverty. None of these men were poor. Were they hypocrites?

Calling Edwards a hypocrite is just mindless iteration of GOP spin points. Sadly, people seem to think they’re actually saying something substantial when they’re just uttering nonsense as ridiculous as the claim that being a trial lawyer is parasitical or that trial lawyers have ruined this country. Who were his defendants, huh? Big corporations? Not hardly. And are the environmental, social, cultural, political and economic problems in this country all caused by trial lawyers like Edwards? Only someone not remotely given to reflection would believe that–the kind of people who think calling him “the Breck Girl” constitutes argument or is even funny.

But the GOP has to demean his masculinity since so many of its Senators, Congressmen and officials from the White House on down are chickenhawks. When you have a weak hand, bluff, or toss out some taunts.

Brian | 8/2/2007, 8:59 am EST

If this is the level of debate in this country, then it surely gets what it deserves. You people have a vote? Oy.

D-Dub6 | 8/2/2007, 8:58 am EST

Does anybody agree that the dems disagree with all policies because Bush is a Republican? If a Dem was in office, they would be all for it. Right or wrong, the left will continue to play politics with our lives, at anybodys expence

Keith Kalish | 8/2/2007, 8:56 am EST

Our capitalist country is making for wealthy,secure retirements for millions of Americans in the form of their 401Ks. Only an idiot would buy into this pandering and railing against successful American corporations that employ millions of Americans, providing for their lifestyles, providing us with goods and services that we need, pushing the boundaries of technology into new and exciting possibilities.
What is sad is that so many feel good about hearing a bunch of crap like this.

Navy Chief | 8/2/2007, 8:56 am EST

Edwards is Hillary Clinton on Estrogeon. (Typo) Navy Chief.

Hillary on testosterone | 8/2/2007, 8:54 am EST

hey Shellybun
Just love your typical liberal–I know more than you superior attitude–
As for Edwards–some friend of the ‘working man’ when across the driveway of his 30,000 sq foot home is a trailer park which he has never visited, and his neighbors want no part of him—he is a hypocrite, and you are an idiot for not recognising a fraud when you see one!

Frank | 8/2/2007, 8:53 am EST

Are you skeert yet? Vote Blue!

Frank | 8/2/2007, 8:53 am EST

Are you skeert yet? Vote Blue!

Frank | 8/2/2007, 8:53 am EST

Are you skeert yet? Vote Blue!

Frank | 8/2/2007, 8:53 am EST

Are you skeert yet? Vote Blue!

Frank | 8/2/2007, 8:53 am EST

Are you skeert yet? Vote Blue!

Scottked | 8/2/2007, 8:47 am EST

The “evil corporations” have put more food on the table through created jobs and MAKE 30 millionaires a month in this country. Johnny boy made HIS millions parasitically off corporations. You libs need to get off your wealth envy and realize the SELF MADE wealthy are simply smarter and work harder than you, (which of course is why they are conservatives).

wakeup | 8/2/2007, 8:42 am EST

Most of you people need to take an economics course.

Hillary on testosterone | 8/2/2007, 8:41 am EST

Edwards–A bumper sticker without any glue.

What an idiot–the more he talks, the less he is listened to as a serious candidiate.

Hillary on testosterone | 8/2/2007, 8:41 am EST

Edwards–A bumper sticker without any glue.

What an idiot–the more he talks, the less he is listened to as a serious candidiate.

jowand1945 | 8/2/2007, 8:36 am EST

g will
Speaking of a Teddy and corruption, how did Teddy K buy a big office building in DC then get the goverment to pay for the subway system to go under it with a station? Teresa “Ketchup” Kerry only paid 9% income tax last year. Harry Reid, Dianne Fienstein, Jack Murtha, William Jefferson, …etc and etc have enough dirt on them to go to jail but it is all ok with the “arm chair” media because they are Dems.

jowand1945 | 8/2/2007, 8:29 am EST

Wexler
Hillary is the QUEEN of “Flip Hop”, another manipulator like Edwards only too dumb to make a good lawyer. Now there is an OxiMoron, good lawyer. All of the Dems are sucked up to by the arm chair media it makes you want to puke!

Bill | 8/2/2007, 8:29 am EST

I wonder what the Edwards are doing to get their vitamin C since they stopped eating tangerines?

g will | 8/2/2007, 8:28 am EST

The 2nd Gilded Age were are living in today needs a 2nd Progressive Era to end the corruption and cronyism that is ruining this country. Teddy Roosevelt (Republican), the “steward of the people,” would have taken W. to the woodshed over how he has sold out our national interest to the highest bidder. Only in American can rich people pay a lower income tax than the working poor. How? The capital gains rate is only 15%. Gotta love those lobbyists!

GFNC08 | 8/2/2007, 8:26 am EST

So comforting to see that the majority of people here understand that Edwards is a phony, pandering, windbag. (both of them, Mrs. and Mrs.) Also reassuring to see other North Carolians are spreading the word about what a useless Senator Edwards was here in NC. Y’all do know that he couldn’t get re-elected in 2004, hence didn’t run don’t you? Why would that qualify him for Prez?

GFNC08 | 8/2/2007, 8:26 am EST

So comforting to see that the majority of people here understand that Edwards is a phony, pandering, windbag. (both of them, Mrs. and Mrs.) Also reassuring to see other North Carolinaians are spreading the word about what a useless Senator Edwards was here in NC. Y’all do know that he couldn’t get re-elected in 2004, hence didn’t run don’t you? Why would that qualify him for Prez?

jowand1945 | 8/2/2007, 8:24 am EST

John Edwards forgot to include Trial Lawyers to his list of who is running things. He is a manipulator of the 1st order. Didn’t he claim he was possessed by someones spirit at one of his multimillion dollar trials, Hoo Hoo! A 28,000 square foot home, $1400 haircuts, another carbon credit phony like Gore. Talk is cheap it takes money to buy good whiskey, unless you are John Edwards in which case you sue people for a living.

William W. Wexler | 8/2/2007, 8:22 am EST

Rudy is one half of the Dems’ Dream Team. He’s utterly unelectable and his campaign will be crippled by scandal revelations, flip-flops on “values” issues, and his phony balony profittering as “America’s Mayor”. Go Rudy!

Ryan | 8/2/2007, 8:19 am EST

Baseless talk from an ignorant third tier candidate. I am convinced he and his wife are paid by the Clintons to make stupid comments in order to make Hillary look reasonable.

Jeff | 8/2/2007, 8:18 am EST

Thank God this oaf has NO chance.

anonyMoses | 8/2/2007, 8:05 am EST

That’s crazy! Giuliani is actually Bush on crack.

I’ll be glad when Mr Edwards becomes Mr President, and exuberance once again replaces terror and endless war…and profound incompetence.

John | 8/2/2007, 7:43 am EST

Guiliani is Bush on steroids? What next…Edwards being Bill Clinton on estrogen?

Prospero | 8/2/2007, 7:31 am EST

Amusing, most of these comments. But these election preparations are a sideshow, with all of the McCandidates bumping and grinding for the cameras while the main events are out of sight in plain view. I keep humming the old Mercer Ellington tune to myself:”Things Ain’t What They Used to Be.”

Fry1goat@gmail.com | 8/2/2007, 7:30 am EST

Oh my. You liberals are morons. You guys compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam. How stupid is that. Do you know how many people we lost in Vietnam? Do you know how long we were in Vietnam? Do the math. We are winning over there. All you can do is attack this great country. It was funny on 9/11 you guys were all in rage! You were all upset! And hell i even seen some of you guys PREYING. What hipocrits you are. This is WW3. This war will not end. You want to embolden the enemy. The truth is ISLAM does not like you. The people who are pro ISLAM want you dead. They do not want to be your friends. Do you just not get it? They want to kill you, they want to kill your kids, they want to kill all of us. Get that in your brains you nut jobs!

CC | 8/2/2007, 7:28 am EST

All you morons that buy into the fact that the Repubs are just empowering big business are truly living in a dream world. Sure, Repubs are retarded on abortion, religion and a few others, but the Dems have all of you fooled in every aspect of life. You truly believe they are out to help the little guy??? You’re deluding yourselves into raised taxes which aren’t going to be spent on those fantastic promises like better schools and more jobs. By the way, the amazing notion on politics of “more jobs” is a false blame/excuse for so many different reasons. Think about it, you morons may learn something.

CH Lee | 8/2/2007, 7:22 am EST

I am not sure what I find most disturbing - Mr. Edwards on-going dialog on the state of our union or the comments posted here by Left Wing extremists.

Regarding the former, Mr. Edwards recently proved his unworthiness for this nation’s highest office by describing the War On Terror as a bumper sticker. Subsequent comments only serve to support his status as unfit for command.

Regarding the latter, I am saddened by the fact any Americans of voting age continue to view our country in terms of conspiracy theories and sinister plots. Perhaps this illustrates some of the weaknesses of our educational system.

Lebowski | 8/2/2007, 7:22 am EST

Right, Like Rolling Stone isnt a corporation. You liberals are brilliant.

Rudy is my pick for ‘08.

Im an independent who votes for the right candidate. I dont give a rats a$$ about party lines.

Rudy cleaned up the most crime ridden city in the country. You can walk through any part of NYC thanks to Rudy- including Harlem- without fear of being mugged or raped. He was tough on crime, and lowered taxes, bringing about an economic boom.

You can say he is “capitalizing” on 9-11 all you want- the bottom line is the man showed courage and leadership that day.

He walked INTO those burning towers, and almost didnt live to tell about it.

Would Hillary have done that? Please- the only thing she has accomplished in her sole term as Senator is to run for President. Hillarys in it for HILLARY. And thats IT. If you believe otherwise you are a fool.

Edwards? Yeah right. Hed be too scared of mussing up his hair. The Dems have NO LEADERS. NONE. Just a bunch of squawking liars, frauds, panderers and clowns.

RUDY ALL THE WAY

chuck | 8/2/2007, 6:39 am EST

is everyoue reading this rag a communist?

kelly | 8/2/2007, 6:13 am EST

Fighting words from a dying campaign. How exactly does he expect to beat Hillary or Obama? Sure, Giuliani is a worthless sack of sh!t and a criminal to boot, but Edwards has the impossible task of becoming the dem candidate before that. Edwards will never be president of the USA, won’t happen; too much a flip-flopping, pretty-boy, ambulance-chasing, pandering politician. He was hopelessly wrong on Iraq, and we are meant to trust his judgement? Vote for anyone who opposed the war, they deserve it more. He honestly spends more time preening than thinking about the issues.

Shellybun | 8/2/2007, 6:12 am EST

For each candidate the Republican smear and lie machine makes up a party line uneducated fools spew out the propaganda like it was trust and they are too dumb to know they are being screwed by these fascists pretending to be patriots and that men like Edwards would make their lives better. Unless your are super rich you barely literate dupes, you should wake to the the lies and slanders you are repeating as though there is some truth there. There isn’t.

greg | 8/2/2007, 5:34 am EST

RON PAUL FTW!

hrumphgrumble | 8/2/2007, 5:34 am EST

Those of us who were once represented by Senator Edwards know he is phony. When he was Senator, more than 40,000 of us in North Carolina were laid off. Where was Edwards, the friend of the working man? Raising money to run for President and studying pig farming in Iowa. This phony was no good as senator. He would be no good at president.

hrumphgrumble | 8/2/2007, 5:34 am EST

Those of us who were once represented by Senator Edwards know he is phony. When he was Senator, more than 40,000 of us in North Carolina were laid off. Where was Edwards, the friend of the working man? Raising money to run for President and studying pig farming in Iowa. This phony was no good as senator. He would be no good at president.

olddog | 8/2/2007, 5:16 am EST

Reading some of the comments, It seems like FR loons have invaded RS lol.

Any repub running for POTUS will be nothing but a tool for multinational corporations that seek to destroy the american middle class. George Bush has done yeomen’s work for them but has yet to complete the destruction. After all he failed to ‘save’ (destroy) social security and Medicare and also didn’t erase the border with Mexico, the wet dream of every foamin at the mouth republican who would bring back the middle ages and serfdom. Just like the good ole days eh repub’s? lol

So there is really no difference between cross dressing pro-abort big city mayor Julie and a phony Hollywood actor with the standard trophy wife, FRed. They all have the same agenda. Keep scaring the public with the war on terror as you slowly destroy what generations of patriots died to give us.

George Bush on steroids is a perfect way to illustrate their anti-american, pro-corporation platform.

Republicans are economic terrorists of the first order and will be put in their place in the upcoming elections.

The american public has had a belly full of King George’s war, fought by poor and middle-class american kids. Get used to being the minority party for the next 20 or 30 years repub’s lol.

californiar | 8/2/2007, 3:59 am EST

Aww, poor Republicans; jealous of a guy with some brains. I’d love the see the very people who post on this board debate Edwards. I’d love to see the Republiconvicts on this board admit that George Bush’s presidency has been a complete failure in almost every way. Then I’ll listen to what they have to say.

Jeb | 8/2/2007, 3:45 am EST

Rudy is da man !

Well, so is Hillary, kinda, but she’s not my man :)

Jeb | 8/2/2007, 3:45 am EST

Rudy is da man !

Well, so is Hillary, kinda, but she’s not my man :)

John Boudreaux | 8/2/2007, 3:42 am EST

Edwards makes for great comic relief …. but we’re all laughing AT him, not with him :)

John Boudreaux | 8/2/2007, 3:42 am EST

Edwards makes for great comic relief …. but we’re all laughing AT him, not with him :)

Rudy2008 | 8/2/2007, 3:38 am EST

Rudy Giuliani is a criminal. Do some research.

Kim | 8/2/2007, 3:26 am EST

GO RUDY!!!! RUDY 2008

Joe | 8/2/2007, 3:25 am EST

Giuliani: “Edwards is Hillary on estrogen”

Stusocks | 8/2/2007, 3:24 am EST

That Edwards is ure running the ‘positive’ campaign that his wife begged for when she and the lib based Today Show railroaded Ann Coulter who can back everything with FACTS… a word that Libs have a hard time understanding. They thin that word has evolved or progressed into, ‘what i think’.

ThatGuy | 8/2/2007, 3:12 am EST

im naked

Erick Blair | 8/2/2007, 2:52 am EST

To the above poster with the silly nick: Do you honestly beleive Republicans are getting “shakey” over John Edwards? You may need psychological help. The clown made $50 million by extorting doctors and tobacco companies (which sell a legal product). He lives in a 30,000 sqft complex on more than 100 acres of land. Forget the $400 haircuts and cheesey $1,000 massages. This guy speaks for the poor? The Republicans could run Ronald McDonald against Edwards and crush him like a bug.

Let Them Eat Cake | 8/2/2007, 2:26 am EST

How Impressive…
RollingStone seems to be inhabited by NeoCons…
Or OverZealous SockPuppets…
Who can’t seem to get out of LockStep with Bush and the BushDum Regime????Ummm, let me think a minute!
Could it be the Whimpy Republicans who couldn’t solve a “War”, an Economic Crisis, a Humongous National Debt, Corrupt Corporate in a group, let alone, individually.
Repubes only are good at Starting Senseless “Wars”, Profiteering off ‘em, Creating Coporate Corruption, Robbing the Infra-structure(lately it’s literally-bridges are collapsing all over the place) and 2/3S of the economy is stagnant to regressing…
Edwards is more ManGuy than Romney/McCain/Giuliani put together(and that at saying much)(Rudy loves to dress up in Blonde Wigs and Heels) and can’t seem to handle Communication systems. He seems to love putting them in Targets for Terrorists. Giuliani is McLame and is all for wars over intelligence to solve “problems”-Iraq is working so well!
Edwards has the oil/pharmaceutical/insurance companies in a Froth-He will Regulate ‘em-they want to Control the World-and Badly and overcharge it madly…
NeoCons are getting Shakey…And their candidates couldn’t be more flakey…
RS seems to be a big magnate for the Cons, now…

Erick Blair | 8/2/2007, 2:16 am EST

John Edwards is “great on the stump”? Is that a joke? Has there ever been a more dishonest, demagogic and just silly candidate for president? My dog is more qualified than him. And if they love him in San Francisco then he is dead and it proves my point.

steve | 8/2/2007, 1:49 am EST

one thing i think everyone can agree on whether they like edwards or not is that this article was rather poorly written..

Max | 8/2/2007, 1:41 am EST

Hillary should thank Edwards; thanks to him she isn’t the girliest candidate.

Klinik | 8/2/2007, 1:39 am EST

It needs repeating - from earlier:superangrymonkey | 8/1/2007, 11:47 pm EST

If Giuliani is Bush on steroids then Edwards is Hillary with a vagina.

Klinik | 8/2/2007, 1:38 am EST

Hey Liberals: Canada is calling…

Klinik | 8/2/2007, 1:37 am EST

Andrew: MR NEWT-Tom TANCREDO

Klinik | 8/2/2007, 1:35 am EST

Max: they ARE the enemy.

Andrew P | 8/2/2007, 1:34 am EST

A Rudy-Newt ticket will bury Edwards under a landslide in the general election!

Max | 8/2/2007, 1:33 am EST

Hey Democrats! Any ideas on how to deal with the threat of Islamic terrorism? I understand that you think we have been going about it all wrong, and some of your criticisms (such as the initial invasion using too few troops) have some validity. But I still have no idea how you will keep America safe from these guys. “Raise taxes and surrender” is not a strategy for victory. “Strategic redeployment” is just a euphemism for “retreat”.

What is the path to victory? Can you help us? Or do you just want to sit on the sidelines and point out mistakes? If so, you are only useful to our enemies.

Toxic Avenger | 8/2/2007, 1:20 am EST

Are there any adults running for president in the DNC? Most voters are conservative, not fools, which will make the next election an asskicking for the GOP. Go Fred Go!!!

Toxic Avenger | 8/2/2007, 1:20 am EST

Are there any adults running for president in the DNC? Most voters are conservative, not fools, which will make the next election an asskicking for the GOP. Go Fred Go!!!

Andrew P | 8/2/2007, 1:17 am EST

Flat tax - you are wrong. The bottom income brackets pay social security tax on ALL of their income. The rate is 7.65%. How could these numbers possibly be right?

>Bottom 20% 4.8
>Second 20% 9.8
>Middle 20% 13.6
>Fourth 20% 17.7
>Top 20% 25.0

Of course if Edwards becomes prez, the rates for everyone will go up.

Max | 8/2/2007, 1:15 am EST

Boyblue’s post at 10:22 pm shows how much liberals care about the common man. To him, we are “hillbilly white-trash”. We are just ignorant boobs who need the Marxists to come save us.

Guess what Boyblue: I am “hillbilly white-trash” with a college education and a 140 IQ. I not only understand Marx, I know that the logical outworking of his teachings is slavery and death.

And for the record, if you read Federalist #10, by James Madison, you will see that one of the objectives of the constitution is to prevent “wealth redistribution schemes”. Look it up.

But my real point is that just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean that they are stupid or ignorant.

Max | 8/2/2007, 1:05 am EST

Bush is a social conservative and a fiscal liberal. Guiliani is a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. They are both alike in that they want the US to win the war, but that’s about it.

The “Bush on steroids” line might play to his addle-minded base, but it demonstrates that Edwards is more interested in style than substance.

ww2 | 8/2/2007, 1:01 am EST

Well its a good thing that people that can’t even spell racist are the ones choosing our leaders. Democrats talk about problems, thats it.

anan | 8/2/2007, 1:01 am EST

Edwards sure does not have statemanship to be the Commander In Chief, resorting to namecalling. How low can he be? Romney at least has the poised.

RAKIM X | 8/2/2007, 12:58 am EST

THIS EDWARDS AINT NO SOLUTION FOR CAPITALISM. WE NEEDS TO HAD REVOLUTION EQUALTY FRO ALL THE POEPLES AGAINTS THE RASIST REPULCANS AND HAVE HEATH CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY!!!

Retard Republikkkan | 8/2/2007, 12:05 am EST

Hi, I just got back from my Log Cabin Republican meeting, before I go to my NAMBLA meeting I want to bash some liberals. We endorse Rudy G. cuz he looks so hot in those female garments. If he wins the Whitehouse will reflect real conservative republikkkan values for once!

Boyblue | 8/2/2007, 12:00 am EST

So, Bud, let me get this straight: despite that silly oath you docs make, you’d like to be my ER doc? For what, exactly? Do treat me in a negligent fashion?

Wow, you are a perfect example of what kind of doc needs to be kept in check by guys like me. My guess is you’ve been negligent and sued in the past. Am I right? Color me shocked, you god-complexed egomaniac. If you weren’t in the profession only for the money, you would not have made that “ER” statement.

Hy. Po. Crite.

Flat Tax | 8/2/2007, 12:00 am EST

PPK — you don’t need to draw up any fancy graphs or do any research to find out who’s paying what in taxes. I’ll do it for you. Here is the effective tax rate for each segment of income earners in America. Note, this is the percentage of each segments’ income that is paid in ALL forms of federal taxation (source: Congressional Budget Office, Dec 2005):

Income Group Effective Tax Rate (%)

Bottom 20% 4.8
Second 20% 9.8
Middle 20% 13.6
Fourth 20% 17.7
Top 20% 25.0

Truth hurts, huh?

Zog The Obvious | 8/2/2007, 12:00 am EST

Okay, you guys are having entirely too much fun.

Bud the fly guy | 8/1/2007, 11:49 pm EST

oh and by the way blue boy, I’d love to be the ER physician attending when they bring your sorry ass in after being run over chasing the previous ambulance.

superangrymonkey | 8/1/2007, 11:47 pm EST

If Giuliani is Bush on steroids then Edwards is Hillary with a vagina.

Bud the fly guy | 8/1/2007, 11:45 pm EST

blue boy,
another “fact” dreamed up by a trial lawyer that has no basis in truth.
Bud the fly guy= William N. Sch****** M.D.

Boyblue | 8/1/2007, 11:39 pm EST

Bud, I’m a trial lawyer and I wouldn’t want you on my jury because you are illiterate.

Bud the fly guy | 8/1/2007, 11:38 pm EST

“And only a marxist, ambulance-chasing, termite trial lawyer like John Edwards would run on a platform to do away with it.”

I only wish you could really get to the lack of character of the cold, calculating, opportunist that John Edwards is. He has no problem making up “Facts” to support his extortions of doctors, hospitals and pharmacutical manufactures that are doing great things for the quality of life of people on the planet and dispite the scum sucking dogs known as “trial lawers”.

Bill | 8/1/2007, 11:34 pm EST

Yeah, I’m for dismantling capitalism too, just as soon as you can show me a better way. Trouble is, there is no better way on this earth.

Bill | 8/1/2007, 11:34 pm EST

Yeah, I’m for dismantling capitalism too, just as soon as you can show me a better way. Trouble is, there is no better way on this earth.

anonyomous | 8/1/2007, 11:31 pm EST

Edwards is Hillary on estrogen.

Proud American | 8/1/2007, 11:25 pm EST

“Dear BLOG SLOB–you have given me more than one chuckle…cheers to you wherever you are.”

Thanks, mate. You take it from here. Ma sez I gotta go clean my room.

K-10 | 8/1/2007, 11:20 pm EST

Here’s the thing–a lot of people wish Elizabeth was running instead of John. She is much more human.

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofcum! | 8/1/2007, 11:19 pm EST

Hey, cons, found those WMDs yet? Ha! Ha! Ha!

Boyblue | 8/1/2007, 11:19 pm EST

Tim, how do you know it’s the “best country in the world”?

Lemme guess you’re some kkkristian jesus freak from some backwater? You don’t even have a passport, I’m sure. You cannot say something’s “the best”, unless you’ve traveled around a bit, you freak!

Proud American | 8/1/2007, 11:18 pm EST

“God Bless our troops”

Hell, yeah! And God DAMN everybody else’s.

K-10 | 8/1/2007, 11:14 pm EST

Dear BLOG SLOB–you have given me more than one chuckle…cheers to you wherever you are…

Blog Snob | 8/1/2007, 11:09 pm EST

“Only in America we can vote and make up our mine.”

Yes, a “mine” is a terrible thing to waste.

Bill | 8/1/2007, 11:06 pm EST

“I guess that would make Edwards Hillary on Estrogen.”

Why doesn’t Hillary wear skirts? Because if she bends over, her balls would show.

tyler | 8/1/2007, 11:00 pm EST

He is a con artist!! He lives in a 28 thousand sq.ft. home and tells us it’s bad to be rich !!

Cyclops | 8/1/2007, 11:00 pm EST

I guess that would make Edwards Hillary on Estrogen

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 10:58 pm EST

“All I know is I get all my political coverage from Rolling Stone. Great insight in between the four-star reviews of the newest All American Rejects album and stories on tree-huggers.”

Oh yeah? Well, all I know is that I give your sister a Cleveland Steamer last night, right after she begged me for a Dirty Sanchez. Maybe if you read a little more Rolling Stone, like me and her do in bed, you’d know what those things were. S’not ALL about tree-hugging, that mag.

Joe | 8/1/2007, 10:56 pm EST

Any hack using “on steroids”, “on crack” or “from hell” should be banned from public speaking permanently.

ppk | 8/1/2007, 10:55 pm EST

Dutch- If you didn’t get I was speaking of income tax, then god help you.

I disagree and can prove it, but I don’t feel like drawing out a graph and digging up the records again to prove my point.

The ultra weathy are paying less income tax than 50 years ago, look it up yourself. Lucky for us Bush hasn’t deemed taxes a national security risk yet.

On your comment about Ron Paul, again do some reading before making a blanket statement.

And yes, the middle class are getting screwed more and more. No President will ever effect where a business will move, that takes two presidents, Bush Sr. and Clinton helped create NAFTA, that did wonders for us all.

Elizabeth Edwards | 8/1/2007, 10:54 pm EST

John Edwards is me without cancer. And 300 pounds.

Hathaway | 8/1/2007, 10:45 pm EST

All I know is I get all my political coverage from Rolling Stone. Great insight in between the four-star reviews of the newest All American Rejects album and stories on tree-huggers.

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 10:44 pm EST

“I’m hoping a cure for my cancer will come out.”

HAHAHA! Cheeky little monkey. Here’s a shilling. Don’t spend it all on gin. Now, off with you, before I tell your father.

the Larch | 8/1/2007, 10:42 pm EST

i’m hoping Cindy Sheehan gets alot of news coverage

mtgmarc | 8/1/2007, 10:39 pm EST

Edward is an effete pathetic hypocritical girly-man. He has as much chance of winning the presidency as Imus has to assume the presidency of the naacp. Most of his campaign cash is from trial lawyers, are we to say they are running the country ? At best, he’s comic relief with his obsession of his pretty face and hair and phony concerns for “the poor”. did he find any poor people on his find the poor tour ? When he worked at the hedge fund doing nothing and getting megabucks to find out more about the poor, did he discover hedge funds make billions overcharging “the poor” ??? I suspect not….
he’s utterly laughable, didn’t even carry his home state when he ran for the dem nomination last time around. All he’s doing is putting on a little show and doing a little dance and feeding his monstrous ego and setting himself up to charge even higher fees because he’s famous after he once again is handily rejected by most sensible Americans. It’s time to focus on the major candidates and kick the pretenders, not the contenders to the curb, and this pretty boy should be the first one escorted off the national stage…

Elizabeth Edwards | 8/1/2007, 10:38 pm EST

“Hey, you wacky poster, you. I think I’ve figured out how you type with a straight jacket on (you hunt and peck with your nose, right?), but one thing’s STILL got me stumped: How do you cry like that with Matt Drudge’s shlong in your mouth?”

I’m hoping a cure for my cancer will come out.

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 10:37 pm EST

Personally, i’d like any schlong in my mouth.

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 10:36 pm EST

“Elizabeth Edwards | 8/1/2007, 10:31 pm EST

I have cancer, waaaahhhhhh.”

Hey, you wacky poster, you. I think I’ve figured out how you type with a straight jacket on (you hunt and peck with your nose, right?), but one thing’s STILL got me stumped: How do you cry like that with Matt Drudge’s shlong in your mouth?

Chucky Schmucky | 8/1/2007, 10:35 pm EST

“Giuliani, Romney and the rest of the Republicans running for the nomination are going to give the country four more years of crony capitalism, which is exactly what we have now.”

“Crony capitalism” — 4.5% unemployment, low inflation, strong economic growth, low interest rates, solid stock markets, surging revenues to the Treasury and a rapidly declining deficit…

Yeah, I do believe the country would like four more years of that.

And only a marxist, ambulance-chasing, termite trial lawyer like John Edwards would run on a platform to do away with it.

Dutch | 8/1/2007, 10:33 pm EST

ppk,

You know little about the tax code, economics, or history. John C’s post is the best one on this silly thread. I assume you are talking about income tax - there are many other taxes. The rich pay plenty in income tax, the largest share on a percentage basis in the history of income tax - invented by FDR. The poor pay almost nothing. The poor do pay far too much in other taxes - i.e. sales tax, sin taxes, gas tax, and all the other state, federal, and local taxes your Ron Paul would lie to see sent through the roof. But Paul is meaningless.

I the end it’s the middle class that will take the hit because that’s were the money is. Note that Dems will not define “the rich” that’s because to them the middle class are the rich. Rest assured the real rich will keep their deductions & loopholes no matter who is elected. Corporations will continue to move away to nations that give them better tax treatment - like just about every nation on earth. So the middle class will take the hit no matter what.

John Edwards | 8/1/2007, 10:33 pm EST

Hey, leave my mother-I mean my wife out of this!

Frank | 8/1/2007, 10:32 pm EST

Edwards is nothing but a rich pretty boy who is more worried about his hair and has nothing better to do than to try and spend taxpayers hard earned money while hiding his money.

Elizabeth Edwards | 8/1/2007, 10:31 pm EST

I have cancer, waaaahhhhhh.

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 10:29 pm EST

“Hey, I ain’t a capitalist, so I must hate America. I want nothing more than an entire dismantling of your vaunted “capitalist” system. I WANT that. How do you like them apples?”

I want your sister. How ya like those?

Matt Drudge | 8/1/2007, 10:28 pm EST

Jeb Bush for President!

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 10:22 pm EST

“What happens when
he sues a drug company or doctor for millions of dollars?”

Yeah, well, what happens when my wife goes in for a nose job and the dumbass doc gives her a masectomy instead? Don’t tell me you wouldn’t sue his no-good ass into the ground, too. Don’t tell me you wouldn’t go RUNNING to your nearest trial lawyer.

Typical Republican logic: All lawyers are bad…except mine.

Boyblue | 8/1/2007, 10:22 pm EST

Guess what, Mike? Your statement assumes that everyone should be for “capitalism”, just because that’s the propanganda that’s been fed to your brain from some hillbilly white-trash school growing up.

“Capitalism” is not mentioned in the Constitution, but “promoting the general welfare” is. Hmmmm.

Hey, I ain’t a capitalist, so I must hate America. I want nothing more than an entire dismantling of your vaunted “capitalist” system. I WANT that. How do you like them apples?

ppk | 8/1/2007, 10:19 pm EST

chucky- Which Lawyer are you talking about? Both are lawyers.

Guiliani is somewhat worse in the shameful way he treated the 9-11 workers ( denying benefits etc..) , and then trying to capitalize on an American disaster.

willy39 | 8/1/2007, 10:15 pm EST

Edwards is a moron. He runs around trying to show compassion for the poor when people like him are the main cause of it. What happens when
he sues a drug company or doctor for millions of dollars? That’s right, your medical bills all go up. So when you go to the doctor and are upset at the cost, thank Edwards.

chucky | 8/1/2007, 10:12 pm EST

I don’t think the problem is too many businessmen and businesswomen in and around government, it’s too *bleeping* many lawyers. This is certainly one we can do without.

ppk | 8/1/2007, 10:07 pm EST

John C.- I’d like a stab at fielding your question.

If you looked up the taxation from 1940 to present, you’d see a definite shift from the very wealthy carrying a majority burden of taxes to the very poor paying more and more of the burden up to the present.

Now we have multi-millionares such as Bush, Edwards, and others paying very little in taxes, while middle to lower income Americans are paying a higher tax per dollar earned.

I believe the idea is to shift back to the 1940’s when the super rich started paying their fair share, not the middle class.

Of course this will never happen as all current candidates are multi-millionares, except Ron Paul.

So no matter who gets elected, you and I are screwed, feel that pain in the anus yet?

Ron Paul wants to eliminate federal taxes altogether.

Mike | 8/1/2007, 10:07 pm EST

Glad to hear a liberal running for office finally admit they hate capitalism. If this isn’t enough proof that they hate america I dont know what is. Capitalism is EXACTLY what has founded nearly all inovation and technology our great country has today. It’s also the reason we are BY FAR the most properous country in the world.

gopwolf | 8/1/2007, 10:07 pm EST

Gotta love Edwards, has anyone tried harder to make themselves relevant with such irrelevant comments. He should go back to letting his wife fight his battles like a real liberal.

Lebowski | 8/1/2007, 10:05 pm EST

Edwards, like Clinton (”I did not have sexual relations with that woman”), is an empty suit.

He spews empty platitudes meant to provoke idiots into agreeing with him.

He plays the race card, the class card, and the religion card. Hes a trial lawyer! He knows how to tell people what they want to hear.

Yeah he’ll tax the rich and feed the poor and save the whales and pay for your health care and blablablabla

And dopey liberals, incapable of rational thought, swallow it down.

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 10:04 pm EST

“Thanks for teaching all of us that liberals are hateful and insensitive.”

No, just me, baby. Just me.

P.S. Thank you for your kind words about my mother. She was a real whore, but I loved her anyway.

John C. | 8/1/2007, 10:00 pm EST

Blog Snob-

I just discovered my mentally handicapped nephew has more mental capacity than you do. Thanks for teaching all of us that liberals are hateful and insensitive.

Sorry to hear about your mother.

John C. | 8/1/2007, 9:57 pm EST

James-

You don’t think the fact that an enormously wealthy American is advocating a redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the poor? Under his plan he may see a slight increase in his tax rate (although it is doubtful because of the various places he can place his income) while people earning far less will see a significant increase. I say this based on the principle that a few dollars more in taxes for most of us is much more critical to our lifestyles that a few thousand or even tens of thousands is to someone earning the millions he is.

By the way- doesn’t it bother you that he is not scaling back his lifestyle and giving away his millions if he is so dedicated to his cause. After all, how can he get $400 or $1600 haircuts when that same money would feed a family living within 10-20 miles of his mansion for a month or more? Please let me know how you feel about that.

Steve | 8/1/2007, 9:57 pm EST

Edwards ought to go down to Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela to help Danny Glover make a movie.

Zog The Obvious | 8/1/2007, 9:55 pm EST

Ooooh but Jimmy…. would you say that using words like “Neocons” and “Liberals” is truly as bad as “fat cancer-pig wife”?

Liberal is not a bad word in my book, by the way - I’m a proud Liberal.

I’m not sure what the rest of your reply has to do with my post… I said nothing about the election in 2000. I don’t agree that Bush won fair and square, but it’s a moot point because Gore chose not to contest it. I have seldom carped about that particular point.

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 9:53 pm EST

“I have a mentally handicapped nephew.”

Yeah, and my mother died in a car accident three months ago. Boo-frickin-hoo. Life’s tough, and it’s practically insufferable when people go around playing the victim all the time. Take your Political Correctness and blow it out your nose. ‘Tards is ‘tards. And they LOVE the Drudge report. Lotsa big pictures over there.

ppk | 8/1/2007, 9:52 pm EST

Yes Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate thats not bought and paid for by some big company.

Problem is, the average American, ie the ones on the very message board, have not read U.S. domestic and especially foreign policy for the last 50 years. If they had, they would realize that all presidents, left or right, change our policy very little, with the exception of Bush Jr. who has managed to mess up our country pretty bad.

Yes, Ron Paul is the best candidate, but can we expect anyone to notice?

Dutch | 8/1/2007, 9:52 pm EST

Edwards is desperate. 10% and dropping. Even Obama is way ahead in SC. He has to make some kind of noise - all meaningless. Hillary has already been selected by party elite just as Bush was and like Bush she will probably win. Obama is in the process of blowing a chance at VP - a spot that would be perfect for him.

Only hope for Rudy is 1.) the fact that none of the Dems have ever won a contested election and 2.) nobody likes Hillary - she’s a B–h.

If Dems (read libs.)were really interested in the good of the nation they would hope for a Rudy/Hillary match up. If she blows it he’s the best Republican they can hope for.

Jive Dadson | 8/1/2007, 9:50 pm EST

I think “Bush of steroids” is a pretty good metaphor. But still I have a couple of bones to pick with Edwards.

1) Mr. Edwards, you are running against Democrats in the primaries, not Republicans. Tell us what you find lacking in your opponents, not candidates in the other party.

2) You say, “Giuliani, Romney and the rest of the Republicans running for the nomination are going to give the country four more years of crony capitalism, which is exactly what we have now.” That is simply untrue, and Mr. Edwards, you know it. Ron Paul is running for the Republican nomination. He can run, but you can’t hide it.

rolling stoner | 8/1/2007, 9:47 pm EST

Blogsnob, This rag hasn’t been relevent since the 70’s, of course most linked in thru Drudge ..

James | 8/1/2007, 9:46 pm EST

Boy, the repukes are out in full force tonight! Just look for the dripping vitriol and voila! there is your typical conservative post, shallow, base, and utterly irrelevant. It is irrelevant that John Edwards is stinking, filthy rich, gets $400 haircuts, flies in private jets, and so on. What is relevant is his characterization of Giuliani, et al, as being slaves to corporate America. I would like to believe that there are some politicians who are willing to break the shackles of extreme lobbying and go after every one of these job stealing, pension robbing, union busting corporations. Start with the defense contractors and work your way down.

I mean for crying out loud, what will it take for this country before we realize that Reagan’s economic policies were dead wrong for about 99% of the American population. How else do you explain the surge in billionaires in this country in the last twenty years, the majority of which are or were CEO’s of giant corporations.

Trickle down economics has never been anything more than the rich pissing on the poor (and wiping out the middle class in the process). So if you are happy with the status quo, go ahead and vote Bush/Cheney Lite.

John C. | 8/1/2007, 9:44 pm EST

Blog Snob

I have a mentally handicapped nephew. Are you one of the liberals who is out to help him with compassion and sensitivity- not like those mean, insensitive hateful Republicans (sarcastic comment folks)?

What is a ‘tard? I’d like to explain what the nice liberal meant by that sweet comment.

John C. | 8/1/2007, 9:44 pm EST

Blog Snob

I have a mentally handicapped nephew. Are you one of the liberals who is out to help him with compassion and sensitivity- not like those mean, insensitive hateful Republicans (sarcastic comment folks)?

What is a ‘tard? I’d like to explain what the nice liberal meant by that sweet comment.

Patriots for Ron Paul | 8/1/2007, 9:43 pm EST

I would like to raise attention about a statement Edwards made, this statement in particular, “Giuliani, Romney and the rest of the Republicans running for the nomination are going to give the country four more years of crony capitalism.” Well, Edwards is correct in once sense that all of the republican candates are a bunch of big-government capitalist (Edwards is such a hypocrite if you ask me) except that there is ONE particular candidate that Edwards stereotyped within the wrong category. People, there is a candidate running under the GOP (republican) party that wants to bring our nation back to sound constitutional laws and rights which used to hold legitmacy within this great nation — the name of this one particular, marvelous candidate is Ron Paul. This man is stirring up quite a ruckus mainly due to his constitutionalist ideals and philosophy’s. He is being attacked left-and-right by the big party candidates because they are scared of the statements and ideas that are expressed from this man’s mouth, the TRUTH. Nevertheless, I highly recommend that you perform some research into Ron Paul so you can understand to a greater extent what this man really stands for and what all the fuss is about; In closing, I would like to express a strong urge to the American people to really take a look at the problems faceing us at this time and to remember the ideas/philosophy’s this great nation was founded upon; we are loosing are rights, sovereignty, and government - now is the time to realize this and stop pretending that these issues and crisis’s are not happending; A great quote by Jefferson basically sums it all up: “When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny.”

Mr Tibbs | 8/1/2007, 9:42 pm EST

Edwards is a Jimmy Carter on steroids

Jimmy G | 8/1/2007, 9:42 pm EST

Zog-

How can you really even say “wingnut hate is a neocon myth that is perpetuated by the complicate right-leaning media. NOBODY gives better hate than conservatives. It was not the liberals who lowered the discourse in this country to these levels.”? In your own discussion of it, you couldn’t even write without watering it down to neocons, liberals, whatever. In 2000, regardless of what is said, Bush won. In 2004, regardless of the arguments, Bush won again. The fact that so many have never let go of those two elections, the perpetuation of the lie that elections were “stolen” has been a huge wedge that continues to divide. In 2006, Republicans got their teeth kicked in, yes, but life goes on.

rolling stoner | 8/1/2007, 9:40 pm EST

Moses, you gotta be kidding “Edwards’ beautiful supportive wife”, maybe in biblical times!

John C. | 8/1/2007, 9:39 pm EST

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy

Go back and look. The same things have been said about many presidents at this point in their presidency. Polls are worthless. History will decide. The fact is that Dems. do not want the troops out any more than most Reps. It would be disaster. If you think this isn’t true, check out the last bill they tried to get through Congress. It would not have changed a single thing about how the President is conducting the war. They love that he is willing to take the heat as do some Reps that are up for re-election. The tide is turning in Iraq as witnessed by an increasing amount of left of center analysts who have returned lately from the battlefields. It is happening from the ground up. The administration is also working the back channels to get buy-in from moderate states.

My prediction- Bush will get a Mideast peace agreement by the end of this year for Israel and the West Bank; Syria will make peace with Israel by the end of Bush’s presidency and Iraq will have embassies in Baghdad for at least Saudi and Syria. Their will be an oil revenue sharing agreement and improved government efficiency.

Oh yeah, and in 20 years we will look back on G.W. as one of our greatest presidents who stood his ground in the face of adversity and never wavered ala Truman, Lincoln, Reagan.

the big iff | 8/1/2007, 9:39 pm EST

what i don’t understand is why the liberals get such joy and happiness out of bad news from iraq. guess they want us to not win. we however will because it is already done and the libs mission is futile.

:p

pablo | 8/1/2007, 9:37 pm EST

edwards is a castrated jerk ,like all the males in the democrat party,hillary is more of a man then any of the democrats.rudy giuliani has PROVEN himself in a time of crises,unlike $1200 haircut,wussyboy edwards,why doesnt he stick to chasing ambulances?what an elitist jerk,like john['’i voted for it before i voted against it'’]kerry. im voting republican in 2008,hope its a vote for RUDY!

wILLIAM pOST | 8/1/2007, 9:37 pm EST

Dear Real Brilliance….
You said you won’t be readind which sugests, to me, that you’re a coward. Make insulting comments then run away before some real man spanks you.
Be that as it may, are you saying that comments like “Gulliani is Bush on steroids” somehow furthers real political debate? Sounds like a mindless soundbite to me!
I find it interesting that liberals are always talking about the hateful, mean-spirited, name calling conservatives but it seems to me most of the hate and name calling seems to run left to right, not right to left.
I’ll run away now so noone can yell at me :-].

wILLIAM pOST | 8/1/2007, 9:37 pm EST

Dear Real Brilliance….
You said you won’t be readind which sugests, to me, that you’re a coward. Make insulting comments then run away before some real man spanks you.
Be that as it may, are you saying that comments like “Gulliani is Bush on steroids” somehow furthers real political debate? Sounds like a mindless soundbite to me!
I find it interesting that liberals are always talking about the hateful, mean-spirited, name calling conservatives but it seems to me most of the hate and name calling seems to run left to right, not right to left.
I’ll run away now so noone can yell at me :-].

Blog snob | 8/1/2007, 9:37 pm EST

Oh, look! Drudge has posted a link and all his readers are coming over to our site. Ah, takes me back to second grade when Ms Schlacht, the nice lady who taught the “special” kids, was sick and they got to come into our class as guests until the sub showed up.

Hello and welcome, all you gimlet-eyed ‘tards! Remember, don’t run with the scissors or eat the glue.

ppk | 8/1/2007, 9:35 pm EST

John C- your factual statement left out the fact that back in the day, those candidates also owned their own
media outlets. Sad to say the media outlets of today own their own candidates.

moses | 8/1/2007, 9:34 pm EST

It seems a lot of Edwards bashers are having a major jealous fit about Edwards’ beautiful supportive wife,his riches,(which he was smart enough to amass). Instead of being mindless bootlicks to someone who would’nt give you the time of day, get to work & improve yourselves.

demsarejokes | 8/1/2007, 9:33 pm EST

John Edwards….Hooray for the Second Coming of Jimmy Carter!!!!

rolling stoner | 8/1/2007, 9:31 pm EST

Edwards is another Gore, can’t win if you can’t carry your own state…duh. At least Arkansas knew they wanted to get the Clintons out of state and knew how to do it. Get em elected somewhere else, brilliant, even by Arkansas standards.

John C | 8/1/2007, 9:30 pm EST

Now we all know that Brilliance is watching to see who responds.

My response is that the shiny one needs to pull out a history book or two. The Founding Fathers practiced gutter politics that would make even John Edwards blush. Using surrogates in the press to trash opponents (including their religious beliefs, marital fidelity, patriotism, allegiance to Britain or France, etc.) was common practice. Thomas Jefferson was probably the worst. His row with John Adams kept them at odds until the years before their deaths on the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Dec. of Indep. T.J. regularly used anonymous letters to the press to question George Washington’s political decisions and his soundness of mind.

By the way- I think your Freudian slip is showing my friend! How can you chastise folks for trumpeting conservatives when you resort to using the liberal “they get their ideas from talk radio” line? Or was that your “original” “rational” idea?

Jimmy G | 8/1/2007, 9:30 pm EST

It is important to differentiate between the firefighters and police versus their unions. There are just as many, if not more, first responders who will continue to back Rudy and not walk in step with their unions. Any guesses why NYC might’ve gone into debt?

Botherthelibs | 8/1/2007, 9:30 pm EST

What a candidate!! As I recall, he couldn’t even carry his own state!
LOL!
Ex-Senator Slip & Fall–what a joke.

bruce | 8/1/2007, 9:28 pm EST

Nate take your pill retard

MikeG | 8/1/2007, 9:26 pm EST

Libs have tied their entire fortune to to failure. It’s been their entire agenda.. bad news for America = good news for Dems. They the ones headed for defeat.

John Edwards is a LOSER!

ppk | 8/1/2007, 9:26 pm EST

“It’s amusing how many democrats say they wouldn’t vote for the current republicans because they are ugly.”

I think its safe to say most Americans wont vote for them because Bush turned out to be such a huge failure and a disappointing fraud. No one wants to repeat our current mess, or make it worse.

Not to say the Dems have the greatest pick, but who wants to risk 4 more years of bad policy, corruption, and cronyism ?

I hope this made the real debate guy happy : )

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 9:25 pm EST

“It’s amusing how many democrats say they wouldn’t vote for the current republicans because they are ugly. Does that mean they like Edwards cause he’s good looking? Please tell me democrats don’t truly vote based on personal appearance!”

Yes, I’d say that at LEAST 15% of the American public does cast their vote based on looks. And 15% is all it takes for a total blow-out. Don’t argue with me, argue with history. Fact: We’ve only had one bald President since TV was invented, and that was a long, LONG time ago.

charles carreon | 8/1/2007, 9:25 pm EST

Giuliani is a criminal, like his partner Bernard Kerik, who built a love nest overlooking Ground Zero from which to watch people getting cancer down below while he boffed municipal employees during working hours. Giuliani’s behavior in the aftermath of 9/11 has been harshly critized by the families of firemen for his misplaced priorities. Giuliani handed Bloomberg a debt-burdened NYC government, and a tradition of hard policing that has lead to many unarmed minority men going down in a hail of bullets or being abused like Amadou Diallou by savage, bigoted officers.

Edwards has been ridiculed as a showboat. My suggestion is he ditch the tie and dress down a lot more. Also, an old trick of mine as a trial lawyer — always use pencils, never a pen. Pencil-users are trustworthy people, like carpenters and electricians. Pencil-users aren’t ashamed to make a mistake — that’s what erasers are for. Pen-users are always trying to get you to sign your rights away. A dixie cup full of pencils is a powerful antidote to claims of elitism.

Cheers to the lovers of humanity!
To those who jeer — their craven state of mind is its own punishment! Don’t let them disrupt your serenity — their day is ending — and not a moment too soon.

:) Chas

beb | 8/1/2007, 9:24 pm EST

John Edwards is tired of the man keeping him down.

John Edwards cares about the rest of us in these two americas.

John Edwards is a man of the people.

In fact, he puts his pants on just like the rest of us, after meeting with his stylist and image consultant and with the help of his personal assistant of course, one leg at a time.

MikeG | 8/1/2007, 9:21 pm EST

“democrats don’t truly vote based on personal appearance!”

Guess not. They voted for old horse face!

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 9:21 pm EST

“The Dems are beginning to implode.”

The only thing that’s imploding is Iraq. Read today’s paper, fool. Bush will be branded as the worst President we’ve ever had. And the Repus, who seem bent on hitching themselves to his disasterous wagon, are DOOMED in the next election. Go, JOHN, GO!!!!

John Edwards' Hair | 8/1/2007, 9:20 pm EST

“John Edwards is Hillary on estrogen.”

Hah!

Nate | 8/1/2007, 9:18 pm EST

It’s amusing how many democrats say they wouldn’t vote for the current republicans because they are ugly. Does that mean they like Edwards cause he’s good looking? Please tell me democrats don’t truly vote based on personal appearance!

ppk | 8/1/2007, 9:17 pm EST

“If by REAL MEN you mean the two current Republican front-runners, we’ll pass. Both are bald. Both are ugly. One talks with a lisp, and the other looks like a gaint bug-eyed toad”

Is Ann Coulter running for president too?

Big Al in Fl | 8/1/2007, 9:15 pm EST

If Edwards was half a man, he wouldn’t be campaigning and filling his ego even more. He should be at his wife’s side as she slowly drifts down the inevitable path to her unfortunate young death

Real Brilliance So Far Folks | 8/1/2007, 9:14 pm EST

Interestingly, among all the insults, estrogen jokes, misspellings, and other typical blogosphere nonsense, not one of the comments has attempted to add any value to any actual political debate.

You know you can be a real American patriot, in the spirit of the founding fathers, by actually attempting to engage in reasoned conversation, rather than mindless soudbites you just plagerized from Rush or Hannity. Say what you will about those guys, at least they write most of their own stuff!

So let me start you out with some actual, useful comment starters that wouldn’t make Thomas Jefferson roll over in his Monticello grave and wonder if we all were worth setting up a democracy for:

(1) Mr. Edwards is wrong. Mr. Guiliani is not “Bush on steroids” because . . .
(2) Mr. Edwards is wrong to complain of crony capitalism because, in fact, the current Administration’s economic policy . . .

C’mon. Give it a try. Show that you aren’t as stupid as your one-liner comments make you sound. Show that you actually know how to engage in actual civic debate and can do more than just scribble whatever you just heard on talk radio.

Or at least don’t post unless you’d be proud to have your grandmother read it.

Flame away, I won’t be reading.

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 9:14 pm EST

“When are Dems going to come up with a Real Man?”

If by REAL MEN you mean the two current Republican front-runners, we’ll pass. Both are bald. Both are ugly. One talks with a lisp, and the other looks like a gaint bug-eyed toad. America hasn’t elected a bald President in over 50 years.

J. Carpenter | 8/1/2007, 9:13 pm EST

Tehe Dems are beginning to implode. This latest rant has a very John-Deanesque manic quality to it.

Obama’s latest riff on the omnipotence of Al Queda and his tirade against Bush demonstrate he’s a political lightweight. Hillary, Rudy, Thompson, and Romney are the opponennts he should have in his sights, not a lame-duck sitting president with a very low approval rating.

The guy is getting incredibly bad advice and he’s hooked Clinton already.

Toe-tag the Dems. Game, set, and match–already.

ppk | 8/1/2007, 9:13 pm EST

Q:When are Dems going to come up with a Real Man?

A:About the same day the Republicants
realize Ron Paul is the only real candidate worth voting for.

AnnCoulterneedsamouthfulofcum! | 8/1/2007, 9:11 pm EST

Don’t you liberals know? All we have to do is blindly stand behind Bush and the war will magically turn around! Just ask his supporters, they’ll tell you!

Apollo Screed | 8/1/2007, 9:11 pm EST

Edwards is Dukakis in leather pants.

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 9:10 pm EST

“The odd thing is, why would anyone think an audience full of SF fairies would be AGAINST excess testosterone?”

Tell it to Barry Bonds, pal.

Bruce from Castro Street | 8/1/2007, 9:08 pm EST

I’m tired of all these eunuchoid liberal castratos. When are Dems going to come up with a Real Man?

Zip | 8/1/2007, 9:08 pm EST

the further Edwards falls behind in the polls, the more desperate he becomes, he will probably try to whore out his fat cancer-pig wife on CNN and NPR more

Rudy G | 8/1/2007, 9:05 pm EST

Theroidths? THEROIDTHS?!? Obviouthly, John, you’ve never seen my puny, liver-thpotted ath naked!

Mike | 8/1/2007, 9:05 pm EST

With CLOWNS Like this pretty boy hypocrite, who needs to worry. Hopefully this will be the last we hear of this moron. Until the time it’s reported his lawsuit against some hospital because his wife has cancer.
This guy is lower then whale droppings in the ocean!

Bruce from Castro Street | 8/1/2007, 9:04 pm EST

Bush on steriods… It’s kind of true. It’s the essence of his appeal. The odd thing is, why would anyone think an audience full of SF fairies would be AGAINST excess testosterone? Not too bright.

Nate | 8/1/2007, 9:03 pm EST

These following comments could have come right out of early 20th century russia (i.e. all right-wingers are evil, mentally-ill people who should be “re-educated” and failing that eradicated):

“giulliani would declare martial law, just like bush, at the next “attack”; fascists will kick your doors down just because they feel like it”

“looks like the nasty, fascist Drudge-readers have invaded. Unhappy, miserable, angry bunch of pukes…all of them.”

“I can see it’s mostly the die hard neocons bashing Edwards on here. Their days are numbered, let them babble, most people know they are “touched” and they are a dwindling threatened species. Maybe we can find a nice island for the rest of them in 2009, send Rush and Hannity out there to talk the right wing nut job talking points on loudspeakers all day so they can chant their ditto head mantras…..”

“Drudge link comment alert!!! Note: Most comments will be coming from retarded Americans. The kind that would have made good Germans in the 30’s. Do not worry soon they will be gone (out of power). Sadly there is no cure for their sickness except transcortical lead therapy.”

Ardie | 8/1/2007, 9:03 pm EST

Edwards is describing “corporatism” which is just a species of fascism. In corporataism, the corporations, essentially, determine the legislation. Isn’t that what we have now? Edwards is right.

ppk | 8/1/2007, 9:03 pm EST

“Rudy mentions 9/11 a lot, because we should be reminded of it every single day”

I think Hitler used that same tactic with the burning of the Reichstag.

If 9-11 is all Rudy can come up with then I’m voting for a turtle, or a cactus or any inanimate object, they’d be a lot safer and a heck of a lot smarter.

Darrell | 8/1/2007, 9:01 pm EST

I wish a liberal would provide all of us the names of person’s who George Bush has “kicked their door in”. Until you do, I will have to assume anyone that suggests that is a dumb ass.

moses | 8/1/2007, 9:01 pm EST

FOR ZIP; You are the perfect example of the angry, hate filled, rabid republican. No brains & no humanity. The only thing that came from your comment is that you showed what really makes most republicans tick. You truly do NOT deserve to breathe unpolluted air. There must be a large pocket of empty space where the brain belongs. I guess maybe I should pity you.

Hugo Chavez | 8/1/2007, 8:58 pm EST

Perhaps if Mr. Edwards plays his cards right, San Francisco will secede from the Union and he can declare himself King. This is one of the most irrelevant human beings ever thrusted upon us. God help us all if he ever gets elected.

Sam | 8/1/2007, 8:57 pm EST

Did Edwards come up with this line all by himself? He must be a f@#&ing genius. Rudy would mop the floor with Edwards’ face in a debate.

And, yes, Rudy mentions 9/11 a lot, because we should be reminded of it every single day. Too bad lefties like to pretend 9/11 never happened. THIS is why you don’t put lefties (like Edwards or Obama) or Communists (like hillary) in the Oval Office during a time of war.

Darrell | 8/1/2007, 8:56 pm EST

Edwards is Pelosi with no testicals.

Bill Clinton | 8/1/2007, 8:56 pm EST

I feel your pain John!

phfftttt | 8/1/2007, 8:54 pm EST

In any case, no one in America ever votes FOR anyone, they vote against… it’s important to remember that. Republicans may be unappealing but Liberal-Democrats are literally nauseating, I mean vomit-inducing. ALL of them.

CT Al for Rudy | 8/1/2007, 8:54 pm EST

Let it be Rudy vs this clown.

What’s more impressive to the American public; frivilous law suits, failing at instituting national health care or cleaning the mob out of NYC?

The answer is: President Guiliani.

Tin Foil Yarmulke | 8/1/2007, 8:51 pm EST

Wow, there are actually people (mark) who think Bush declared martial law and that the current government is fascist and wants to kick down your door for no good reason? I thought that was a hyperbolic bad joke. Leftist morons should look the word “fascist” up next time they want to use it. They may be surprised how many on their own side are defined by that word.

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 8:51 pm EST

If the Dems are smart enough to go with Edwards, I don’t see how they could loose. GO, JOHN, GO!!!

John Morrison | 8/1/2007, 8:51 pm EST

Zip and Breck, what could be a legitimate point of view is made irrelevant by your rampant hatred. Much like when I hear Ann Coulter spew her trash, I have to wonder- do you really believe this? Somebody deserves cancer? Or are you just trying to evoke a response and bring yourself attention? I hope its the ladder.
America needs conflicting views, but your hatred for people you don’t know is naive.

Patrick | 8/1/2007, 8:49 pm EST

Let me go on record as saying I am not glad Elizabeth Edwards has cancer.

Now that that’s out of the way, Edwards seems to have hit home with the “Bush on steroids” quip.

Excellent.

toolboxnj | 8/1/2007, 8:48 pm EST

Edwards can use some steroids himself

ppk | 8/1/2007, 8:47 pm EST

Richard Richard-I’d rather have someone that started with nothing and made something of himself, than someone who had it all and instead of showing what he did just repeated 9-11 over and over.

Left,right, Guiliani is just wrong.

phfftttt | 8/1/2007, 8:47 pm EST

All lawyers are the scum of the earth, get real… Edwards is a huge fraud.

Jack | 8/1/2007, 8:46 pm EST

OK, so I don’t agree with a certain fraction of Mr. Edwards’ politics and how he made his fortune, but I think it’s revolting how some of you people are making fun at his expense that he lost his son and that his wife was diagnosed with cancer. How would you feel if people said that about you or supported you regardless of your political standings?

Yes, I disagree with how he made his money and he thinks he knows the working class by getting $400 haircuts. But should we drag the tragedies of his family into this? No!

Sometimes people like that make themselves no different from hypocrite liberals and makes conservatives and Republicans look bad.

johnny melrose | 8/1/2007, 8:45 pm EST

Edwards is Jimmy Carter with better hair

red state skeeter | 8/1/2007, 8:44 pm EST

Did you ever notice that Johnny-boy has a camel-toad where his chin should be?

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 8:44 pm EST

Johnny terrifies the right-wing. That’s why they attack him so viciously. Deep down in their rotten souls, they secretly wish that he was a republican, so that HE could be their candidate. Then they could ditch their little bald-headed imp with the buck teeth and the lisp (Rudy) and that other guy who looks like a giant bug-eyed cain toad (Thompson). GO, JOHN, GO!!

ahh | 8/1/2007, 8:43 pm EST

it’s sad that people still waste their support and money on a dead weight candidate like edwards. he didn’t bring us the white house when he had the chance. can we pls dump this guy and move to obama. he’s our only chance to beat rudy.

mark | 8/1/2007, 8:43 pm EST

giulliani would declare martial law, just like bush, at the next “attack”; fascists will kick your doors down just because they feel like it

Richard Richard | 8/1/2007, 8:42 pm EST

The real question is would you rather have a succesful former US attorney/Mayor Of NY or an ambulance chasing trial lawyer who was already rejected for the post of Vice President? Do we really need to compare the court cases they argued?! Do we really need to stand Rudy’s achievments as Mayor Of NY against the, for lack of a better word, `achievements` of the FORMER Senator Edwards?!

Discuss…

ppk | 8/1/2007, 8:42 pm EST

Wow, a lot of anti-cancer people making comments here. Very sad, very sad indeed.

Has anyone heard Gulliani say anything other than “9-11″?

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 8:40 pm EST

GO, JOHN, GO!!!!

Jimmy Chonga | 8/1/2007, 8:39 pm EST

GO, JOHN, GO!!!!

sheila | 8/1/2007, 8:34 pm EST

you can disagree with edward’s politics, his policies or his statements…but don’t attack his cancer stricken wife.
anyone who does that is a sicko.

sheila | 8/1/2007, 8:34 pm EST

you can disagree with edward’s politics, his policies or his statements…but don’t attack his cancer stricken wife.
anyone who does that is a sicko.

IEDemocrat | 8/1/2007, 8:34 pm EST

Guess Edwards doesn’t see that the lawyers are the first ones put out of business in his utopian vision for America.

How can anyone take a guy whose nickname is “the Breck Girl” seriously. His wife ought to be running instead of carrying his water.

Boyblue | 8/1/2007, 8:32 pm EST

looks like the nasty, fascist Drudge-readers have invaded. Unhappy, miserable, angry bunch of pukes…all of them.

Hugh G. Rection | 8/1/2007, 8:31 pm EST

I can see it’s mostly the die hard neocons bashing Edwards on here. Their days are numbered, let them babble, most people know they are “touched” and they are a dwindling threatened species. Maybe we can find a nice island for the rest of them in 2009, send Rush and Hannity out there to talk the right wing nut job talking points on loudspeakers all day so they can chant their ditto head mantras…..

Rabid Rightie | 8/1/2007, 8:28 pm EST

If this is the best artillery Silky Pony has, he’s in trouble.

Zip | 8/1/2007, 8:25 pm EST

when will the DNC mouthpiece-rag Rolling Stone magazine report about how the “environmentalist” Edwards built a 28-Thousand square foot mansion, uses a private jet, and his stupid son Wade died in a Jeep Cherokee SUV???

it is good that the old pig Elizabeth Edwards has cancer, that Edwards family deserves cancer for all the times lying scumbag Johnny was out suing doctors and fleecing healthcare companies.

Elizabeth Edwards deserves cancer.

Chad | 8/1/2007, 8:25 pm EST

Wrong! That would be McCain… he’s got the roid rage.

buck | 8/1/2007, 8:25 pm EST

john boy nees him a nice little cigar box to keep his testicles in,maybe liz will cary it for him

DC | 8/1/2007, 8:23 pm EST

For the latest in political information, please visit DCbriefing.com

scott | 8/1/2007, 8:21 pm EST

“They need to be stopped”.

Brilliant. Let’s stop the companies that provide our energy, stop the companies that provide the medicines we need, and stop the insurance companies who cover of us when we get in a wreck, robbed, or sick.

Maybe we should stop the trial lawyers who sue doctors and hospitals w/ b.s. claims, making themselves rich and forcing our medical bills to go sky high.

Trevor | 8/1/2007, 8:20 pm EST

Notice how every liberal on here is calling Americans morons. No wonder we say they’re unpatriotic.

Trevor | 8/1/2007, 8:19 pm EST

Notice how every liberal on here is call Americans morons. No wonder we say they’re unpatriotic.

Hey Alex | 8/1/2007, 8:18 pm EST

“Most comments will be coming from retarded Americans”

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

Rick | 8/1/2007, 8:17 pm EST

Alex is

Mac | 8/1/2007, 8:17 pm EST

Who is John Edwards?

Joseph | 8/1/2007, 8:17 pm EST

The man has a poverty stricken vocabulary when he has to resort to ad hominem attacks. He takes away from the little that he has already going for him. Wouldn’t vote for him on a dime.

Rick | 8/1/2007, 8:15 pm EST

Alex is Edwards on Tampax.

Alex | 8/1/2007, 8:13 pm EST

Drudge link comment alert!!! Note: Most comments will be coming from retarded Americans. The kind that would have made good Germans in the 30’s. Do not worry soon they will be gone (out of power). Sadly there is no cure for their sickness except transcortical lead therapy.

derio | 8/1/2007, 8:12 pm EST

i think edwards would be a good P, VP or cabinet member. he fights for the good. i think he is right about alot of issues.

and to be honest, i would myself get a 400$ haircut if i could afford it and if i were running for president.

Tom | 8/1/2007, 8:10 pm EST

Edwards is a pathetic excuse for a man, never mind President. Compared to Giuliani he is a total nothing!

Stuart | 8/1/2007, 8:09 pm EST

Kudos to those who said “Edwards is Hillary on estrgen”. Funniest thing I heard all day.

Gary | 8/1/2007, 8:06 pm EST

Ohh, yes. The $400 haircut man who made all his money suing those who create jobs (otherwise known as “business”) really understands capitalism. What a phoney. Liberals must be the most naive people on planet earth.

Jake | 8/1/2007, 8:04 pm EST

Edwards next will be showing us his cleavage. First, Hillary, now Pelosi, and soon Edwards. I can’t wait. Someone here said estrogen is his problem. I can accept that. His wife is the man of the house where he lives.

Breck | 8/1/2007, 8:03 pm EST

Elizabeth Edwards is a cow on steroids, a big ugly cow full of cancer, living in a mansion and giving the “2 Americas” talking points, while they live in a mansion and fly around in a private jet.

John | 8/1/2007, 8:02 pm EST

Yeah that’s right. Bash Edwards and go for another Republican moron that tells you he is for you and gives the farm away to the elite. How stupid can Americans get. Sheesh!

Tom G | 8/1/2007, 8:01 pm EST

Beat you to it, Ed.

frogmanic | 8/1/2007, 8:00 pm EST

A sucker is born every minute. As they age, they become liberals.

Ed | 8/1/2007, 7:59 pm EST

Edwards is Hillary on estrogen.

Tom G | 8/1/2007, 7:56 pm EST

John Edwards is Hillary Clinton on estrogen.

jeff | 8/1/2007, 7:55 pm EST

Oh he Edward’s should have the crets to be so tuff

Baldez Beautiful | 8/1/2007, 7:55 pm EST

Trial lawyers have ruined our economy at their own profit. The least thing we need in this country is a ambulance chasing trial lawyer in the white house.

jason | 8/1/2007, 7:54 pm EST

oooh…. gravitas

alex | 8/1/2007, 7:48 pm EST

The Breck girl is a non-entity.

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